Dmitar

Today I opened the official National Redress Scheme website.
WT Australia has long refused to join this program. But I see a change. JW has teamed up with many other institutions.
Two things are interesting.
First: The tacit confirmation of the GB leader that the CSA is an institutional problem within WT Australia (and globally for the whole of WTJWorg).
Second: Paying damages to victims is cheaper this way than through litigation.
https://www.nationalredress.gov.au/institutions

As the institutions listed above did not join the Scheme within the required timeframe, they will be subject to the following consequences:
Being restricted from accessing future Commonwealth grant funding, and Risk losing their charitable status and associated tax concessions and benefits. The restriction on grant funding for institutions who do not join the Scheme does not remove access to any funding they currently receive from the Commonwealth, but rather will remove the ability for the institution to access future grant funding.
A new Australian Charities and Not-for-profits Commission (ACNC) governance standard has commenced which requires all registered charities to take all reasonable steps to join the Scheme if an application has been made which names them or is likely to name them. Where a registered charity fails to join the Scheme or take reasonable steps to participate in the Scheme, they will be subject to the suite of ACNC’s existing compliance powers, including deregistration. Deregistration would result in the entity losing access to a range of Commonwealth benefits and tax concessions.
In addition, charities classed as ‘basic religious charities’ (BRCs) may lose their BRC status if they do not join the Scheme within six months of being named in a redress application. Charities that lose their BRC status will be required to abide by the governance standards.
The list of institutions above is updated on a regular basis to ensure it remains current and will be the reliable source of information for departments and agencies administering grant opportunity and the registration of charities.
https://www.nationalredress.gov.au/institutions/institutions-have-not-yet-joined

https://www.nationalredress.gov.au/institutions/search?search_api_views_fulltext=jehovah
I went to this link, and noticed that 976 JW assemblies are listed that are associated with the scheme by name. So each JW entity (congregation) accessed separately. The Chief Bethel in Australia did not do it for them.

I have forgotten when these ARC Hearings started and Geoffrey Jackson testified, but then again, I am 10.8 years old.

* dog years

I followed the link, above but the information includes WHAT SEEMED TO BE hundreds of institutions involved in one way or another, and I did not have time to figure it out now. I did find an 800 telephone number which I will attempt to use to find out details, later. There is about a 12 hour time difference, and they may only answer the phone (?) during their normal “office hours” (?).

I guess your stupidity is yours! 
Remember what that animal commented to thinking.

I know a black heart when I see one. Try NOT to defend a D'fd freak! Madam JW, lol!!
 

True, that's why you should keep your mouth shut to things you don't understand. Mainly human behavior and scripture.

True, that's why you should keep your mouth shut to things you don't understand. Mainly human behavior and scripture.

True, that's why you should keep your mouth shut to things you don't understand. Mainly human behavior and scripture.

Not worth answering ....... 

Ah, come on! This is just a silly offended way of getting more attention on yourself! 
prophecies.xlsx

Your extreme fear of dying has totally screwed up your thinking.

Thank you for your last reply Dmitar.
Again and again you have irrefutably proved with your OWN WORDS, that you do in fact misunderstand EVERYTHING.

I mean …… if Thanksgiving can have its turkey, why can’t Ramadan Muslims have a rooster?

Last week, to commemorate April 2nd, I posted THIS, which was meant only to satirize our “flame wars”, which the Moderator properly deleted.
It was NOT A THREAT to kill you with thermonuclear weapons.….. merely an attempt at humor …. to lighten things up.

What you have proved, Dmitar is because you have no sense of humor, whatsoever, you misunderstand EVERYTHING.

Yes! @JW Insider won nothing, or did he. With uneducated students of the bible, you could be right! But twisting literature, as he usually does to spin his logic, is still meaningless. So, to bible scholars, it becomes nonsensical drivel, just like freaky mutts.
What I don't get, when ExJWs do it, it becomes an argument for you fakers of the truth. I don't mean that obtuse mutt, his D'fd, but everyone else.
Well, I came back just to prove the threat made by that vicious mutt wrong about surgery, dying and knowing about it. Continue fooling the public.

@Pudgy made a claim. More of wishing me dead, scenario. I mentioned I would reply after my resurrection to undermine his obtuse assertion. No surgery, I’m still here.
Since this forum was formed so @TrueTomHarley and a few others could use it as a research center to study apostate opinions, then, the only ones exalting the GB are ExJWs and those current fake witnesses here.
To the rest of the Brotherhood, the GB are fellow servants in Christ, just like the Elders. They deserve our respect because of the double work they do.
Now, in many respects, @Witness understanding is misplaced because of her insistence of making it her mission to disprove what the GB are doing is wrong, because she believes what they are doing is against bible principle while she is doing the same thing with scripture. Then It becomes a matter about interpretation. However, only one can be right.
Those that pervert scripture to gain their own understanding, are allowing the devil do his work through them. Essentially becoming false prophets.
Thus far, as of April 05, 2022, I have yet to see the Watchtower not understand and apply scripture as intended by its context as a Bible Scholar.
There’s only one way to view scripture. That is with wisdom, knowledge, and time. Something everyone here has failed to see because they are too busy causing strife by answering insignificant questions by ExJWs that shouldn’t be done to begin with. If witnesses understood better, they’d notice, they are poisoning their own well, by being active here. This poisoning of one's mind is the danger Christ spoke about.
There were thousands speaking against Christ and the apostles. They remained committed to their mission. They were threatened and killed because of that mission. Staying focused in being messengers of the God and the kingdom's good news takes dedication no matter where you are.
This is a learning center for a selected few here. Not a forum for righteousness. The Watchtower Doesn’t need defending, nor does the truth. Consider your own spiritually while trying to convince others, of theirs. It doesn’t work.
Christ didn’t bother with Satan himself, much less with Pagans if any that tried to convince him that worshiping other gods was better than Judaism and Christianity.
A choice should have been made long ago, now it's time to decide. What is your True calling!
 
*** w21 January p. 4 par. 12 Keep Calm and Trust in Jehovah ***
12 The apostles had direct evidence that Jehovah was with them. He had given them the power to perform miracles. (Acts 5:12-16; 6:8) That is not the case with us today. Even so, through his Word, Jehovah lovingly assures us that when we suffer for the sake of righteousness, he is pleased with us and his spirit is with us. (Read 1 Peter 3:14; 4:14.)
When the word “gifts” is used, it’s not meant as a “supernatural” proposition. As Christians, we don’t possess the gifts the apostles and some first century anointed Christians had. However, there were others preforming miracles that weren’t assigned by God’s Holy Spirit.
 
How does one view gifts in modern time.
 
*** w14 2/15 p. 11 Rejoice Over the Marriage of the Lamb! ***
“THEY WILL BE BROUGHT WITH REJOICING”
14 Read Psalm 45:12, 14b, 15. The prophet Zechariah foretold that in the time of the end, people of the nations would gratefully associate themselves with the remnant of spiritual Israel. He wrote: “In those days ten men out of all the languages of the nations will take hold, yes, they will take firm hold of the robe of a Jew, saying: ‘We want to go with you, for we have heard that God is with you people.’” (Zech. 8:23) At Psalm 45:12, these symbolic “ten men” are spoken of as “the daughter of Tyre” and “the wealthiest of men.” They come to the anointed remnant with gifts, ‘seeking their favor’ and spiritual help. Since 1935, millions of people have allowed the remnant to ‘bring them to righteousness.’ (Dan. 12:3) These loyal companions of the anointed Christians have purified their lives, becoming spiritual virgins. These “virgin companions” of the bride have dedicated themselves to Jehovah and have proved themselves to be faithful subjects of the Bridegroom-King.
 
 *** w10 10/1 p. 13 Do Jehovah’s Witnesses Practice Faith Healing? ***
What, though, about today? Faith healers in Christendom as well as in some non-Christian religions claim to perform miraculous healings. Yet, Jesus himself sternly warned against individuals who would claim to have “performed many miracles” in his name. He would say to them: “I never knew you. Get away from me, you evildoers!” (Matthew 7:22, 23, International Standard Version) So, are the supposed miracles of modern-day faith healers really an indication of God’s approval or blessing?
 
 *** w10 10/1 p. 13 Do Jehovah’s Witnesses Practice Faith Healing? ***
There is, however, a group of Christians who are united by a bond of love so strong that they refuse to harm one another—or anyone else for that matter—even during the fiercest of human conflicts. Who are they? Jehovah’s Witnesses. Worldwide, they are known for displaying Christlike love. Uniting people of diverse racial, national, cultural, and ethnic backgrounds is a miracle, so to speak, and is made possible only by God’s holy spirit. Why not attend one of their meetings and see for yourself?
 
 *** w16 January p. 19 par. 10 The Spirit Bears Witness With Our Spirit ***
10 Those who have received this special invitation from God do not need another witness from any other source. They do not need someone else to verify what has happened to them. Jehovah leaves no doubt whatsoever in their minds and hearts. The apostle John tells such anointed Christians: “You have an anointing from the holy one, and all of you have knowledge.” He further states: “As for you, the anointing that you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to be teaching you; but the anointing from him is teaching you about all things and is true and is no lie. Just as it has taught you, remain in union with him.” (1 John 2:20, 27) These ones need spiritual instruction just like everyone else. But they do not need anyone to validate their anointing. The most powerful force in the universe has given them this conviction!
 
*** w16 January pp. 19-20 The Spirit Bears Witness With Our Spirit ***
EXPERIENCING THE “NEW BIRTH”
11 When the holy spirit imparts this conviction, the Christian who is anointed undergoes tremendous changes. Jesus referred to this inner process as being “born again,” or being “born from above.” (John 3:3, 5; ftn.) He explained further: “Do not be amazed because I told you: You people must be born again. The wind blows where it wants to, and you hear the sound of it, but you do not know where it comes from and where it is going. So it is with everyone who has been born from the spirit.” (John 3:7, 8) Clearly, it is impossible to explain fully this personal calling to those who have not experienced it.
 
*** w16 January p. 24 par. 7 “We Want to Go With You” ***
7 Although it is a wonderful privilege to have the heavenly calling, anointed Christians do not expect any special honor from others. (Eph. 1:18, 19; read Philippians 2:2, 3.) Jehovah’s spirit bore witness to them personally. No announcement was made to the world. So they are not surprised if some people do not readily believe that they have truly been anointed by holy spirit. In fact, they realize that the Scriptures advise against quickly believing someone who claims to have a special appointment from God. (Rev. 2:2) In no way, then, would they use their anointing as a “calling card” to introduce themselves to others. For the most part, they would not even mention this personal experience to others, so as to avoid drawing attention to themselves; neither would they want to boast about their future reward.—1 Cor. 1:28, 29; read 1 Corinthians 4:6-8.
 
*** w16 January p. 24 “We Want to Go With You” ***
HOW SHOULD YOU REACT?
9 How should you treat someone who partakes of the Memorial emblems? Jesus told his disciples: “All of you are brothers.” He went on to say: “Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.” (Matt. 23:8-12) Therefore, it would be wrong to exalt individuals, even if they are anointed brothers of Christ. Speaking about Christian elders, the Bible encourages us to imitate the faith of those who take the lead, but it never commands us to elevate any human as our leader. (Heb. 13:7) True, the Scriptures speak of some as being “considered worthy of double honor.” However, such ones are worthy of honor, not because they are anointed, but because they “preside in a fine way” and “work hard in speaking and teaching.” (1 Tim. 5:17) Therefore, it would be embarrassing for those with a heavenly calling if others were to give them undue praise or attention. Worse still, if they received special treatment, anointed Christians might find it difficult to remain humble. (Rom. 12:3) None of us would want to cause one of Christ’s brothers to stumble!—Luke 17:2.
 Now, the owner can “delete”, “ban” “remove” my account at the request of @TrueTomHarley and @JW Insider

O.K.
let’s see ….
In the last two posts, Dmitar had 4-1/2 screens full of words, and JW Insider had 5-1/2 screens full of words.
According to the human nature of probabilities, JW Insider WINS!
ta-da!

Yet, you still fail to see what the professor was attempting to discern by your meaningless example of two different issues, symbolic times lines, and generational limits. 
One can overlap while the other runs without restrains. Aside from learning scripture, take a course on human nature of probabilities. 

Yet, you still fail to see what the professor was attempting to discern by your meaningless example of two different issues, symbolic times lines, and generational limits. 
One can overlap while the other runs without restrains. Aside from learning scripture, take a course on human nature of probabilities. 

Yet, you still fail to see what the professor was attempting to discern by your meaningless example of two different issues, symbolic times lines, and generational limits. 
One can overlap while the other runs without restrains. Aside from learning scripture, take a course on human nature of probabilities. 

Yet, you still fail to see what the professor was attempting to discern by your meaningless example of two different issues, symbolic times lines, and generational limits. 
One can overlap while the other runs without restrains. Aside from learning scripture, take a course on human nature of probabilities. 

This is exactly the point. Thanks. The Watchtower has ALWAYS turned the generation into a zone of dates. When the Watchtower's previous zone of dates was no longer tenable, there was an excellent opportunity to understand it in the way that Robert Wohl would have described it. But instead, it became a zone of dates again when it was "determined" that the great tribulation must occur within the zone of dates before a younger generation of anointed (whose lives overlapped with the earlier generation of anointed) would themselves die out:
*** w10 6/15 p. 5 United in Love—Annual Meeting Report ***
Brother Barr made clear that the gathering would not continue indefinitely. He referred to Matthew 24:34, which says: “This generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur.” He twice read the comment: “Jesus evidently meant that the lives of the anointed ones who were on hand when the sign began to be evident in 1914 would overlap with the lives of other anointed ones who would see the start of the great tribulation.” We do not know the exact length of “this generation,” but it includes these two groups whose lives overlap. Even though the anointed vary in age, those in the two groups constituting the generation are contemporaries during part of the last days. How comforting it is to know that the younger anointed contemporaries of those older anointed ones who discerned the sign when it became evident beginning in 1914 will not die off before the great tribulation starts!
As Brother Splane has explained, by using a chart, that generation has now become a zone of dates from 1914 (through at least 1992 when Fred Franz died) and then extending only so far out as to when the last of the once-contemporary, younger "generation" of anointed have not completely died out.
That definition, although very specific, has become rather sloppy in the retelling. Just note the following two points that are now part of the explanation. I'll mark in red, the points that are problematic:
*** ws14 1/15 pp. 30-31 pars. 14-16 “Let Your Kingdom Come”—But When? ***
When prophecy was not fulfilled in the way that they expected in 1914, what did they do? Most of them continued serving Jehovah faithfully and endured trials and persecution. Over the years, most, if not all, of those anointed ones have remained faithful until death.
15 In his prophecy about the last days of Satan’s world, Jesus said: “This generation will by no means pass away until all these things happen.” (Read Matthew 24:33-35.) When Jesus mentioned “this generation,” we understand that he was speaking about two groups of anointed Christians. The first group was present in 1914 and understood that Christ began ruling as King in that year. Those who made up this group were not only alive in 1914, but they had also been anointed by holy spirit in or before that year.—Romans 8:14-17.
16 All those in the second group included in “this generation” were not simply alive but were anointed with holy spirit during the time that some members of the first group were still alive on earth. So not every anointed person today is included in “this generation” whom Jesus spoke about. Today, those in the second group are getting older. Yet, Jesus’ words at Matthew 24:34 make us confident that at least some of “this generation will by no means pass away” before seeing the start of the great tribulation.
'...most, if not all..."
I'm not sure about the purpose of the claim made here, but the early Watchtowers indicated that "most" of the anointed during the period leading up to 1914 actually left the Watchtower Society. Many left immediately after 1914 failed to include the predictions for that year. (The Watchtower later pointed to 1915 as the actual date for the end of the Gentile Times.)  A much larger portion left during the 1917-1918 period based on the actions taken by Rutherford. By 1927-1928 when so many of Russell's teachings had been abandoned, it was apparently "MOST" of those who had been considered anointed in 1914 who had left the Watchtower Society by then. A few exceptions actually came back to the Watchtower. Long-time Governing Body member, Brother Karl Klein, left the Watchtower to join the Standfasters (Part of the "evil slave," per Rutherford), but Brother Klein came back. Listening to the stories and experiences from Karl Klein and Fred Franz and my great-grandfather, and one-time colporteur Percy Harding, they all claimed that it was MOST of the anointed who had been unfaithful, at least to the Watchtower. If the Watchtower's statement above is correct, it must be based on the idea that they were still faithful to Jehovah even after leaving the Watchtower Society, or that those who left were never anointed in the first place.
This is reminiscent of the claim made in 1982 about the earlier Liberian persecution:
*** w82 4/15 p. 26 par. 19 Enduring Joyfully Despite Persecution ***
While a few did give way and compromise because of fear, the great majority maintained integrity.
After that claim was made, someone pointed out the error and a correction was printed:
*** w82 7/15 p. 31 Questions From Readers ***
. . . However, the Yearbook for 1977 states that the majority compromised their faith. Why this discrepancy?
The statement in The Watchtower for April 15, 1982, is in error. Actually, according to the Yearbook of 1977, pages 176 and 178, there were about 100 Liberian Witnesses who went through the Gbarnga persecution maintaining integrity, while approximately 200 compromised their faith.
"The first group was present in 1914 and understood that Christ began ruling as King in that year."
I think that all of us know the problem with this claim. The first group that was present in 1914 did NOT understand that Christ began ruling as King in that year. For several more years, they all continued to claim that Jesus did NOT begin ruling as King in that year. Instead, the Watchtower continued to teach them that Jesus had begun ruling as King in 1878. Hints came about half-a-decade later that this date might change, or even get pushed back from 1878 to 1874 (See Rutherford's famous Cedar Point talk in 1922). But it wasn't until more than a decade later, in the late 1920's and early 1930's that 1914 became the new date for Jesus to have begun ruling as King.
In fact, the idea that Jesus had been invisibly present since 1874 did not become officially and fully revised until 1943:
*** ka chap. 11 pp. 209-210 par. 55 “Here Is the Bridegroom!” ***
In the year 1943 the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society published the book “The Truth Shall Make You Free.” . . .  Naturally this did away with the year 1874 C.E. as the date of return of the Lord Jesus Christ and the beginning of his invisible presence or parousia. . . .  Page 324 of the above book positively says: “The King’s presence or parousia began in 1914.”
So, if none of the anointed ever really discerned the sign of Jesus Kingship and presence in 1914, and didn't discern it until 1943, then perhaps there wasn't even a real need to come up with the overlapping generations theory. I personally know someone who was anointed before 1943 who is still alive and faithful.

There is no doubt that 1914 marked a very important point of change in history. I have seen ex-JWs and non-JWs try to deny this, just because it probably embarrasses them that the Watchtower Society has been able to hold onto the significance of the 1914 date for so long.
However, the book that Dmitar mentioned is actually an excellent book that uses the expression "generation of 1914" in the same manner that Jesus appears to have used the expression "this generation" (that is, the generation of 33 CE). Technically, Jesus could have meant all the people who were contemporaries meaning all the very old people, middle-aged people, young men, and small children who were alive when Jesus called them "this generation." But obviously the very old did NOT live to see the great tribulation of those days when Jerusalem was surrounded by encamped armies. 70 was a long and fortunate lifespan, and the average in those days (not including childbirth deaths) was likely only to about age 40. That generation that saw all those things occur by Rome in 66-70, had to live at least another 33 to 37 years.
But Robert Wohl in the book focuses on the age of 5 young middle-class elites  in 5 Western countries of Europe, and he follows the ideas and experiences that these 5 men (born in 1880's and 1890's) would have witnessed especially from about 1914 up until the post-war years of the 1940's. In the book he reminds us that people had spoken of the "sacrificed generation" of the men of 1885. And that various schools had spoken of the "social generation," and the "scientific generation" at various points in the late 1800's.
That is the common use of the expressions like "generation of Jesus' day" "generation of the apostles" "generation of Joseph and his brothers" "generation of 1914" "generation of my grandfather" "generation of my great-grandfather" "generation of my children".
Of course there are other technical definitions of generation but the default, we would expect, is always the common meaning unless otherwise specified. Robert Wohl gives us the common meaning, the default meaning. If we think we should apply Robert Wohl's understanding and use of the term "generation of 1914" it's the same as saying that the Watchtower got it wrong.
To be fair, I wanted to add that Wohl holds that the common meaning of generation, of which there may be about "three in a century," is not binding on the extended significance and impact of that generation on following generations. That's no doubt why he chose the title because that generation of 1914 still has relevant meaning even for today. But that type of impact can go on forever and is clearly a completely different use than the one that the Watchtower uses. The Watchtower has specifically stated that it is about a limited and specific demarcation of time, quite different from when Jesus used expressions like "who will save you from this wicked generation."