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    Is the UN preparing to attack Religion?

    His answer to that question is simple. No one knows the day or hour, only the Father. (Matt.24:36). So no sign was given to indicate that element. All the focus must be elsewhere to understand what was said.
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    Is the UN preparing to attack Religion?

    The beginning and end of birth pangs are not remotely situated. Excuse me if I miss your point here?
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    Is the UN preparing to attack Religion?

    same words, different circumstance. In one case self indulgence dulls awareness. |n the other case, deceptive propaganda.
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    Is the UN preparing to attack Religion?

    What are these? It seems to be down to individual experience.
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    Is the UN preparing to attack Religion?

    Nonsense. This is a ploy to avoid the issue I am afraid. Kingdom birth illustrations are not the same as matters related to the last days as the the birth of the kingdom precedes the last days....in my universe anyway. 😊
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    Is the UN preparing to attack Religion?

    Not so as explained in the post.
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    Is the UN preparing to attack Religion?

    Let mother be the witness to intensity. Certainly, there is an escalation from intense to very intense, in my experience as an observer. I think also that it is not about when they start, it is more about that they occur as an indicator of the start of a process that leads to an inevitable conclusion. By the the way, Kingdom birth illustrations are another subject altogether.
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    Is the UN preparing to attack Religion?

    "the contractions in the uterus start sometime near the start of the final month" https://baby-pedia.com 1 Thess. 5:2, 3 appears to be applying a pregnancy metaphor differently to the way Jesus did at , for example Matt.24:8. I have only been present for 5 pregnancies and births, but the mother tells me that while the contractions certainly increased in intensity quite close to the delivery, they started much earlier in the final month, though at different times for each child. (not to be confused of course with the Braxton Hicks variety). Others indicate that these pangs of distress can indeed occur weeks before the birth, or days before. The difference seems to add weight to the metaphor. From what I can glean then, both are true to life descriptions of the occurence of labor contractions. Jesus uses the aspect of their heralding the start of a period or stage leading to an inevitable conclusion. Paul uses the suddeness of their occurence to relate to the manner in which a prophesied event takes place. In answer to @JWInsider who posted whilst I was writing, I would suggest that trying too hard see some sort of specific time element as having any significance here would be a mistake. 😊
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    Is the UN preparing to attack Religion?

    I find this a bit difficult to rationalise against a statement that uses an apparent pregnancy metaphor: "For nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be food shortages and earthquakes in one place after another. All these things are a beginning of pangs of distress." A woman is pregnant for 9 months, but pangs of distress or contractions usually start occurring during the last 3months. The reaction to the pregnancy announcement is not quite the same as the reaction to the onset of contractions although the anticipated end result is the same. Are we to understand Jesus's illustration differently?
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    Is the UN preparing to attack Religion?

    Which scenario do you refer to here as needing to be questioned? the scriptural picture as portrayed in Rev. 17? the interpreted understanding and application that Jehovah's Witnesses currently hold in connection with Rev.17? the suggestion that UN preparation for an attack on religion could be discerned from current political and ideological developments? And by extension, where we are in the stream of time relative to the start of the great tribulation? This is quite right as the several uses of the thief and unknown hour metaphors in Scripture confirm. However, why do you think that Jesus outlined detailed events in prophecy relating to end times?
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    Is the UN preparing to attack Religion?

    Is the UN preparing to attack Religion? Just getting back to the main topic. The most relevant prophetic statement I am aware of relating to this question is here: "And the ten horns that you saw and the wild beast, these will hate the prostitute and will make her devastated and naked, and they will eat up her flesh and completely burn her with fire. For God put it into their hearts to carry out his thought, yes, to carry out their one thought by giving their kingdom to the wild beast, until the words of God will have been accomplished." Revelation 17:16-17. Leaving aside extensive argumentation on the interpretation of these two verses, Jehovah's Witnesses understand this to be describing the destruction of false religion at the hands of its long-time partner, the political element of human society. "The ten horns" = those "movers and shakers" within the political set up (as opposed to "vassal" states) at the time these events occur. "The wild beast" = the earlier referred to "was but is not" conglomeration of nations we currently know as the United Nations of which the "ten horns" are a prominent part. "The prostitute" = said "Babylon the Great", the world empire of false religion, destined for complete destruction at the hands of the political powers. "Their one thought" = preservation of national sovereignty at all costs. There has always been a rather tenuous balance in this element of the religion/politics relationship. In fact, the false charge of "sedition" constitutes a prime weapon in the anti-Jehohvah's Witness strategy employed by false religion. It has been a main component of it's murderous schemes to eliminate servants of Jehovah with the enlistment of political muscle.(Compare John 19:15: "We have no king but Caesar") However, in striking similarity to the failure of Haman's schemes at the time of King Ahasuerus as described in the Bible book of Esther, false religion is "hoist on it's own petar", (to borrow a Shakesperean idiom). This will involve a remarkable feature in that the political elements (particularly those dominant UN partners, more inclined to veto than agree) participate in an unreserved delegation of authority to their political figurehead, currently identified as the UN. "God put it into their hearts to carry out his thought" = the crux of this whole matter. Observers today may well detect evidence to support their view of a rising anti-religious trend in UN attitudes to religion. But there may equally be those who would choose to argue a completely opposite view. Not to be overlooked is the view held by false religion itself at the time of it's destruction. This is indicated at Rev:18:7 "I sit as queen, and I am not a widow, and I will never see mourning". Rev18:8 adds "That is why in one day her plagues will come". The destruction of false religion at the hands of it's one time political allies will be something to shock this system of things to it's very foundations. It will open the world stage for "a tribulation such as has not occurred from the beginning of the creation that God created until that time" Mark 13:19. Those blessed with the 'abundant true knowledge' characterising these" last days" have a comprehension of the world scene that is very different from the many who remain in "darkness mentally and alienated from the life that belongs to God, because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the insensitivity of their hearts." Eph 4:19. So in answer to the question, probably not, as a body, although godless elements have been in it's composition since it's origin. This event will come "as a thief in the night", a development indeed, but something precipitated by Jehovah, at a time of His choosing, once the "good news of the kingdom" has been preached in all the inhabited earth, for a witness. Then the end will come. Now is not the time to bite the hand that feeds us!
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    About JW-Archive.org

    You will find that much is available now back to the year 1950 (1970 for Awake).
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    Mill Hill Overseer Training - Notice the Beard

    Hmm. I thought that was Ernie Beavor? Armageddon Ernie we called him??
  14. Come on, surely they would just find a compromise.......