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  1. Did you know that Adonai (Lord) used of Jesus in Psalm 110:1 is also used of the Father in Exodus 23:17, Deuteronomy 10:17, Joshua 3:11? And Abraham: Genesis 18:12; Esau: Genesis 32:4; Joseph: Genesis 42:10; Boaz: Ruth 2:13 Saul: 1Samuel 4:28 An angel: Daniel 10:16 and many more. As Paul said, there are "many lords" . Good job "the LORD" who said to "my lord" has given His name in scripture so we do not have to rely on just the capitals. Although, like the scribes, (as shown below Is. 3:16) many still have problems deciding on this matter don't they? Anyway, the Catholic Living Bible seems to have got it right...this time:
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    Jesus and Michael

    Don't be silly. "Truth" is not the sole province of any human.
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    JW's Watchtower to the Catholic Church

    isn't this from the Awake?
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    Priest loses temper & slaps toddler during baptism (VIDEO)

    Presumably he was arrested immediately?
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    Five Major Problems With The Trinity

    You're in the wrong job if you could do that my friend. No one alive, or dead, can prove the trinity, and never has.
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    This subject has been done to death mate, whatever you think death is???
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    Who would want to hide God’s Name?

    No need. JWs role is to testify that it has been removed, restore it where possible, and leave the indictment, trial, judging, and execution of sanctions to the Judge of all the earth and the man that he has appointed.
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    Jesus Is God proof-texts

    Probably most of us would have exclaimed similarly if in Thomas's position, but maybe not just for the reason you have cited , more in the spirit of 1Cor.13:4! John's account would not present contradictory material when he stated the purpose of his writing at John 20:31. Same argument as that which applies to Acts 28:6 A curious conclusion drawn here, but at odds with Hebrews 13:2. Presumably Heb 1:7 which quotes from Ps.45:6. This Psalm is extolling the virtues of a king ruling with the favour of God, thus "God hath blessed thee forever" v 2. The rather clumsy rendition of Ps.45:6 has been discussed at length for decades, not least due to the difficulties in addressing a king ruling with God's approval as God Himself. The matter is simply resolved when comparing scriptural passages relating to the throne of God-appointed kingship. Solomon for example, was said to be seated on "Jehovah's throne" 1Chr.29:23. With Jehovah designated as the "King of Eternity" at Revelation 15:3, His throne alone certainly lasts for ever and ever. Gods sovereignty then provides authorisation for any ruler representing this sovereignty and is the only foundation for successful rule of any duration, such duration in the hands of Solomon being only temporary, but nevertheless successful when based firmly on the throne of Jehovah. Let your argument be with the scholars who have suggested suitable renditions of the verse in indicating that the success of the king in question is due to his throne being supported by God: Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever.--This is the rendering of the LXX., Vulg., and of the versions generally. But whether they supposed the words to be addressed to the Divine Being, or that the theocratic king is thus styled, is uncertain. The Christian use of the verse as applied to the Messiah (Hebrews 1:8, Note, New Testament Commentary) does not help us to explain how the monarch, who is the poet's theme here, could be addressed as God. The use of Elohim in Psalm 82:6; Psalm 97:7, Exodus 22:28, hardly offers a satisfactory parallel, and even 1Samuel 28:13 (where we should render, "I saw a god, &c) hardly prepares us to find such an emphatic ascription to an earthly king, especially in an Elohistic psalm. Two alternative renderings present themselves--(1) Thy throne of God is for ever . . . i.e., thy divine throne. (Comp. Psalm 31:2, "thy refuge of strength.") (2) Thy throne is of God for ever, which is grammatically preferable, and with which may be compared 1Chronicles 29:23, "the throne of the Lord." Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers “The LXX. admits of two renderings: [ho the·osʹ] can be taken as a vocative in both cases (Thy throne, O God, . . . therefore, O God, Thy God . . . ) or it can be taken as the subject (or the predicate) in the first case (God is Thy throne, or Thy throne is God . . . ), and in apposition to [ho the·osʹ sou] in the second case (Therefore God, even Thy God . . . ). . . . It is scarcely possible that [’Elo·himʹ] in the original can be addressed to the king. The presumption therefore is against the belief that [ho the·osʹ] is a vocative in the LXX. Thus on the whole it seems best to adopt in the first clause the rendering: God is Thy throne (or, Thy throne is God), that is ‘Thy kingdom is founded upon God, the immovable Rock.’”—The Epistle to the Hebrews (London, 1889), pp. 25, 26. B.F.Westcott. The NWT has rendered these verses accordingly: "God is your throne forever and ever" Ps 45:6 "But about the Son, he says: “God is your throne forever and ever," Heb 1:8 Some other translators appear to agree as far as the Psalm is concerned: Ps 45:6: Good News Translation "The kingdom that God has given you will last forever and ever." JPS Tanakh 1917 "Thy throne given of God is for ever and ever;" Interestingly, how do you harmonise your view with 1Cor.15:28?
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    Faithful and Discreet Slave

    You have just been listing and criticising the MANY IDEAS the WT has had!!!!???? I am having a bit of difficulty with the logic here?
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    The Holy Spirit

    This is either a grave mistake or a denial of Christ's ransom sacrifice. This is dangerous ground in either respect but, respectfully, I will leave the determination of which to someone better qualified. I am departing from this particular discussion. 🙁
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    The Holy Spirit

    But presumably adding what does have manuscript support is acceptable? The omission of God's name from the Hebrew Scriptures is a travesty not a translation. The pusilanimous argument that it was not contained in the Ist Century Greek Scriptures has no merit. There were some attempts to justify this by suggesting it's ommission from the Septuagint meant that even quotes made by Jesus or other Scripture writers from this translation would not include the Divine Name. But this pathetic justification falls at the first hurdle in that manuscript support for Ist Century inclusion of the Tetragrammaton is clearly extant. Nash papyrus.1st Cent BCE (Septuagint) De. 18:16 includes Tetragrammaton Codea Alexandrinus 5th Century CE (Septuagint) De. 18:16 Clear substitution of KY (Abbreviation for kyrios - Lord) Modern Interlinear with Strongs References. (Septuagint) De. 18:16 Clearly follows late substitution of kyrios, Lord. So the Divine name was Scripturally available in the Ist Century to Jesus and Christian Greek Scripture writers. It is unthinkable that they would follow Jewish superstition and tradition in ommitting it's use, at least in their specific quotations from the Septaugint translation. It is even more improbable that Jehovah, by means of Holy Spirt, would somehow "forget" or ommit to include His own glorous name in His own inspired writings. Frankly I have no problem with using the divine name in Scripture, or in restoring it to it's proper place in the Greek Scriptures, with manuscript support as far as possible, trusting in Jehovah's guidance where there is not, yet. (Compare the Dead Sea Scroll impact on the saga regarding the restoring of God's Name to the Hebrew Scriptures). And this despite the determined and resolute attempts of apostate religionists to obliterate God's own name from His own message of salvation to mankind.
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    Seven real stories of discrimination in Cuba

    Why would true Christians expect fair treatment? “Happy are you when people reproach you and persecute you and lyingly say every sort of wicked thing against you for my sake." Matt.5:11