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    Evacuated got a reaction from Juan Rivera in I am the Christ   
    Yes indeed.
    But as mentioned in my earlier post, there are specific requirements for those serving as shepherds in the congregation (older men, overseers etc) for which there is a more exacting role with a more stringent criteria and a higher accountabilty. (James 3:1) They are leaders in a particular sense, with delegated responsibilities for which they are enabled and empowered. 
     
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    Evacuated got a reaction from Juan Rivera in I am the Christ   
    Yes I agree with the many valid points you have made in connection with the necessity to avoid the leadership approach Jesus condemned. 
    But on the specfic leadership assignment designated at Heb.13:17 which is also cross referenced to 1Tim.5:17, I would see a much more clearly defined role than that of "older men and others" which seems to be an extension of "in showing honor to one another take the lead" Rom 12:10.,When Paul called the older men of Ephesus together, (Acts 20:17-35), he highlighted a specific area of their responsibilities in v28 that neatly chains in to 1Tim 5:17 and back to Heb.13:17.
    This is not talking about leadership, but is talking about leadership style. Jesus style of leadership is part of the model he has left for his followers. This includes enablement and empowerment.
     
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    Evacuated got a reaction from Juan Rivera in I am the Christ   
    This is certainly true. This kind of attitude led the Israelites into demanding a king which Jehovah saw as a rejection of himself, despite the fact that he went along with the arrangement and gave them a succession of human "leader"s (for example: 1Sam.9:16; 13:14; 2Sam.1:35; 1Ki.14:7; 20:5; to name a few). There are leaders mentioned in a number of approved contexts other than kingship.
    So the real problem is not that there would be leaders, this is a natural human characteristic and appears to be part of Jehovah's design of humans. The problem is how leaders view themselves, how they project themselves, what the privilege of leadership does to them;  and how those whom they lead view them. And the added ingredient of imperfection into the mix complicates matters.
    But of course this how humans are isn't it? Jehovah knows all the implications of this. So does Jesus, and he went to great pains to demonstrate how leadership should be excercised. (John 13:14-13). His comments on being the only Leader were in the context of vainglorious Leadership. He wasn't doing away with leadership (Heb.13:7) was he?  
    So as long as we all keep this in mind. I remember once acting as chairman for a GB member who gave us a talk. He called me aside and said quietly "please don't introduce me with a fanfare as a member of the GB. Just say I am a visiting speaker"
    Due you think that was mock humility?
    As I see it, true leadership is a role designated by Jehovah on a needs basis. Even the glorified Jesus recognises this 1Cor.15:58.
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    Evacuated got a reaction from Pudgy in The most DISTURBING news about the BLOOD DOCTRINE, ever   
    Splendid quote
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    Evacuated got a reaction from JW Insider in Who will call?   
    2 Pet 1:1 "Simon Peter, a slave and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to those who have acquired a faith as precious as ours through the righteousness of our God and the Savior Jesus Christ:"
     
    2 Pet 1:11 "In fact, in this way you will be richly granted entrance into the everlasting Kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ."
    Acts 5:31 "God exalted this one as Chief Agent and Savior to his right hand, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins."
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    Evacuated got a reaction from Juan Rivera in How are we to understand the GB/Slave interpreting scripture, as the sole chanel, and at the same time accept that they can err?   
    I confirm this. For me it certainly does.
    Comparing the parable of the Good Samaritan with the prophecy of the faithful and discreet slave and extrapolating on this with the aim of dismantling the current explanation provided in the Watchtower is, for me, a fruitless, (pardon!), "apples and oranges" type excercise, (idiomatic use regardless of Smithsonian debate). 
    I have stated my position on this matter above. I think that the position you appear to be stating measures up quite comparatively to that described at Numbers 16:3. I do not see the behaviour of those rebels at that time as a "picture" or "prophetc type" working out here. But I do see quite simply a similar circumstance in that an arrangement made by Jehovah to lead his people at a particular time (i.e. The Governing Body), is disputed internally and made out, subtly, to be a self-appointment on the part of participants, rather than a divine provision.
    Pardon if I misunderstand. I am sure clarification will be forthcoming if this is the case.
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    Evacuated got a reaction from boyle in A CIRCUIT OVERSEER STATES, "YOUR FAITH IS GARBAGE AND NEEDS TO BE TORN DOWN"   
    Someone has to take out the trash.
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    Evacuated got a reaction from Mic Drop in “Hitchens razor”   
    Not really Hitchens, therefore the following applies: Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur.
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    Evacuated got a reaction from Pudgy in Draft Copy of December 2016 Watchtower, on Beards.   
    or even a "daft" copy?
     
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    Evacuated got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Is this REALLY "all over the newspapers" in Finland?   
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    The "application" of the Psalm is against all those who indulge in time, money, and effort wasting attempts to use the framework of "Caesar's law" to disrupt, obstruct or in any way interfere with the outworking of Jehovah's purposes and the share He has delegated to His faithful servants in carrying out His will in the earth at this time. Regardless of any gloat-worthy, assumed success in this activity enjoyed by agents of the mischief makers, the reality is that "Jehovah our God will do away with them."
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    Evacuated got a reaction from JW Insider in Is this REALLY "all over the newspapers" in Finland?   
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    The "application" of the Psalm is against all those who indulge in time, money, and effort wasting attempts to use the framework of "Caesar's law" to disrupt, obstruct or in any way interfere with the outworking of Jehovah's purposes and the share He has delegated to His faithful servants in carrying out His will in the earth at this time. Regardless of any gloat-worthy, assumed success in this activity enjoyed by agents of the mischief makers, the reality is that "Jehovah our God will do away with them."
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    Evacuated got a reaction from Arauna in Is this REALLY "all over the newspapers" in Finland?   
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    The "application" of the Psalm is against all those who indulge in time, money, and effort wasting attempts to use the framework of "Caesar's law" to disrupt, obstruct or in any way interfere with the outworking of Jehovah's purposes and the share He has delegated to His faithful servants in carrying out His will in the earth at this time. Regardless of any gloat-worthy, assumed success in this activity enjoyed by agents of the mischief makers, the reality is that "Jehovah our God will do away with them."
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    Evacuated got a reaction from TrueTomHarley in Is this REALLY "all over the newspapers" in Finland?   
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    The "application" of the Psalm is against all those who indulge in time, money, and effort wasting attempts to use the framework of "Caesar's law" to disrupt, obstruct or in any way interfere with the outworking of Jehovah's purposes and the share He has delegated to His faithful servants in carrying out His will in the earth at this time. Regardless of any gloat-worthy, assumed success in this activity enjoyed by agents of the mischief makers, the reality is that "Jehovah our God will do away with them."
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    Evacuated got a reaction from Arauna in Is this REALLY "all over the newspapers" in Finland?   
    Who cares about the newspapers? What is really happening is more time and money wasting by those who are "framing trouble in the name of the law". Ps.94:10.
    We all know where this will end up!
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    Evacuated got a reaction from xero in Is this REALLY "all over the newspapers" in Finland?   
    Who cares about the newspapers? What is really happening is more time and money wasting by those who are "framing trouble in the name of the law". Ps.94:10.
    We all know where this will end up!
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    Evacuated got a reaction from TrueTomHarley in While Waiting for an Appeal Against the Harsh Sentence, Aleksandr Ivshin Visited Five Pre-Trial Detention Centers in 1.5 Months and Fell Seriously Ill   
    A conqueror among conquerors. This is worth looking at: 
    https://1951deport.org/en/
    Can't see it referenced on the forum 'though I admit I haven't trawled....(shoudn't have to really)
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    Evacuated got a reaction from JW Insider in While Waiting for an Appeal Against the Harsh Sentence, Aleksandr Ivshin Visited Five Pre-Trial Detention Centers in 1.5 Months and Fell Seriously Ill   
    A conqueror among conquerors. This is worth looking at: 
    https://1951deport.org/en/
    Can't see it referenced on the forum 'though I admit I haven't trawled....(shoudn't have to really)
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    Evacuated got a reaction from Anna in Physical attendance at meetings/assemblies and "Zoom" attendance   
    Interesting. I like Zoom meetings across the board for many reasons. But no KH? I can see KH and Zoom or some other video platform, but no KH from our end sounds a bit odd. Circumstantial imposition like Russia I can see as time goes on, but voluntarily? That would be a game changer.
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    Evacuated got a reaction from JW Insider in Physical attendance at meetings/assemblies and "Zoom" attendance   
    Interesting. I like Zoom meetings across the board for many reasons. But no KH? I can see KH and Zoom or some other video platform, but no KH from our end sounds a bit odd. Circumstantial imposition like Russia I can see as time goes on, but voluntarily? That would be a game changer.
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    Evacuated got a reaction from Melinda Mills in Physical attendance at meetings/assemblies and "Zoom" attendance   
    Interesting. I like Zoom meetings across the board for many reasons. But no KH? I can see KH and Zoom or some other video platform, but no KH from our end sounds a bit odd. Circumstantial imposition like Russia I can see as time goes on, but voluntarily? That would be a game changer.
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    Evacuated reacted to JW Insider in Physical attendance at meetings/assemblies and "Zoom" attendance   
    A CO who talked to my father about a requested upgrade to the sound system in the KH and who recommended that this upgrade effort go towards a different need in the Norco Assembly Hall. I heard something like it from a trusted elder in NYC. He claims it's talk from "higher up," and I didn't press him.
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    Evacuated got a reaction from xero in I'm sympathetic to this view   
    Are you addressing these remarks generally or specifically?
    Biofabrication. Hmm.... is that what Jehovah used here: Gen.3:21?
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    Evacuated got a reaction from Anna in I'm sympathetic to this view   
    Many of Christendoms clergy seem to go with this view and probably not a few of Jehovah's Witnesses.
    All I can say is that if in connection with animals "death is no more", then something else will have to be no more!!..........

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    Evacuated got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in I'm sympathetic to this view   
    Many of Christendoms clergy seem to go with this view and probably not a few of Jehovah's Witnesses.
    All I can say is that if in connection with animals "death is no more", then something else will have to be no more!!..........

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    Evacuated reacted to Anna in Musing on prayer   
    It's already there
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