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    Evacuated got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in ALL aspects of 1914 doctrine are now problematic from a Scriptural point of view   
    Know what you  mean, but there is a problem with the analogy. Your illustration has $100.00  as the main objective. So you gain nothing until the delivery of that prize. So the seeming delay in receiving this becomes a problem as you actually have nothing until that sum is repaid, in fact you are out of pocket, in a negative position.
    That is not the case with true Christians. Once their relationship with Jehovah has been restored through Christ, they have something of infinite, immediate value. They are not out of pocket while they await payment of a debt. So as the psalmist said at Ps.119:165 "Abundant peace belongs to those who love your law, nothing can make them stumble". That is current, not future. 
    Those who appreciate what Jehovah has done for them are not disappointed because some enthusiastic speculation on when they are going to get a future reward doesn't come to fruition. Neither are they carried along euphorically in some sort of "self"-sacrificing display of piety, only to wish they hadn't offered a bull when they could have got by quite acceptably with a goat. When the self-expected reward doesn't appear, they feel cheated as if they were owed something by God as a payment for services rendered.
    Nope, all I see is the age old parental type care displayed when children are told "Stop playing with that stick, you'll poke your own or your sister's eye out!" Exaggeration sure, but compliance will definitely protect someone's eye. Don't blame your parents for trying to protect you from harm. 🙂
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    Evacuated reacted to JW Insider in ALL aspects of 1914 doctrine are now problematic from a Scriptural point of view   
    I'm afraid you are misunderstanding completely. @Outta Here said:
    I'm merely showing you how what he is saying is correct. So what you are quoting is a very true statement.
    I'm not saying I believe the last days started on October 4, 1914, I just picked that date because that's pretty close to the day that the Watchtower claims the last days must have started. If they did start then, you could say that everyone since that date has been living in the last part of the last days.
    *** w14 7/15 p. 30 par. 9 “You Will Be Witnesses of Me” ***
    That happened in October 1914, marking the beginning of “the last days” of Satan’s wicked system.
    *** yb75 p. 138 Part 2—United States of America ***
    around October 4/5, 1914 C.E. The people needed to know that through the Messianic kingdom then established Jehovah was ruling as king,
    *** dp chap. 6 p. 97 par. 28 Unraveling the Mystery of the Great Tree ***
    Thus, the “seven times,” or 2,520 years, ended by Tishri 15, or October 4/5, 1914 C.E.
    *** po chap. 14 p. 177 par. 19 Triumph for the “Eternal Purpose” ***
    So they would end about that time of the year in 1914 C.E., or about October 4/5, 1914.
    *** ka chap. 12 p. 230 par. 40 Increasing the King’s Belongings ***
    So the end of those Gentile Times about October 4/5 of 1914 should logically witness a reversal of the situation of such long standing. It was therefore not without significance that October 4/5, 1914, found the Gentile nations in trouble, already for two months embroiled in the first world war of human history.
    *** kj chap. 19 p. 352 par. 7 Defeat Awaits Attack by Nations under Gog ***
    they were fulfilled around October 4/5 of the year 1914 C.E.
    Therefore, the following statement is also very true:
    And so is this one:
     
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    Evacuated got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in ALL aspects of 1914 doctrine are now problematic from a Scriptural point of view   
    Only to those who want to be misled. It is, at worst, "ambiguous" to a thinking person. "Last days of what?" is the first question that comes to mind.
    I see no issue with premature expectation when it comes to the end of this system of things. It seems to have always been a feature of true worshipers that their expectation of Jehovah's action to cleanse the earth brought the event closer in their minds than in fact, see Luke 19:11; Acts 1:6. In fact this attitude is even encouraged, 2Pet.3:11-12, although of course there is balancing counsel too as at 2Thess.2:1-2.
    We have a very clear punctuation mark in the progression of this time known as "the last days"  if that is what we want, in the form of the destruction of false religion Rev.17:16-17. Really, that event will be the herald of "the last days of the last days" of the time leading up to Armageddon. There will be no ambiguity when that event occurs, although the "great tribulation" itself has no specifically defined duration despite indicators being that it will be relatively short.
    Habbakuk's words are timely,(Hab.2:3) "Keep yourselves in expectation of it!" And Romans 8:19 highlights a similar attitude of "eager expectation". This is an identifying feature of true worshippers according to Heb 11.  Spiritual drowsiness and sleep, along with "upturned noses", characterises those described at 2Pet.3:3-4 by way of contrast.
     
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    Evacuated got a reaction from Anna in ALL aspects of 1914 doctrine are now problematic from a Scriptural point of view   
    Arbitrary nonsense.
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    Evacuated got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in ALL aspects of 1914 doctrine are now problematic from a Scriptural point of view   
    Um....it always is isn't it? If we are in the last days and there is an end, and some of the last days have gone already, and keep going day by day, then we must always be... in the final part....No? As long as we are alive that is of course.
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    Evacuated got a reaction from Melinda Mills in ALL aspects of 1914 doctrine are now problematic from a Scriptural point of view   
    These kind of discussions remind me of what Jesus said about his return to execute judgement:
    Luke 21:35: "For it WILL come upon ALL those dwelling on the face of the WHOLE earth"
    So for me, discussions painting scenarios about the correct procession of events and who has the right dates and where we are in the stream of time are at the same time interesting and tedious, depending on the ingenuity and originality of the proposer.
    Early on, prior to 1975, an old brother (Glaswegian) said to me, "Ye'll hear a lot of talk about when things will or will not happen. Take my word for it laddie, your Armageddon came the day you dedicated your life to Jehovah. Stick with it!"
    And on another occasion around the same time, 1974ish, an old sarcastic, worldly friend said to me that he looked forward to meeting me in 1976 so he could laugh in my face over another failed prediction. My response? "I sincerely hope you will"
    Date arguments to me are basically... Quixotic.
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    Evacuated got a reaction from Melinda Mills in ALL aspects of 1914 doctrine are now problematic from a Scriptural point of view   
    Maybe Jehovah is allowing time for a faithless "generation" to die off before entering the promised land???
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    Evacuated got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in ALL aspects of 1914 doctrine are now problematic from a Scriptural point of view   
    Must still be a few lingering on!
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    Evacuated got a reaction from Arauna in ALL aspects of 1914 doctrine are now problematic from a Scriptural point of view   
    Maybe Jehovah is allowing time for a faithless "generation" to die off before entering the promised land???
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    Evacuated got a reaction from Judith Sweeney in ....and like Forest Gump said "... and that's all I am going to say about that."   
    Don't know if you will have time or inclination to read posts at present James. I have enjoyed some of our exchanges, especially when you have shared some technical insights, or glimpses of your anarchic sense of humor. And I must admit to a sense of achievement when getting your occasional "like" to a comment.
    I am sorry if you have fallen on hard times. I hope you are able to get through things.
    Please apply your own advice: "stay closer to Jehovah than I did". Start getting close to Jehovah.... now! This is a God who can retrieve people from the grave even. He will help you though the pits now...if you let him. Use Psalm 139 for meditation. Stay focussed James. 
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    Evacuated got a reaction from Thinking in ....and like Forest Gump said "... and that's all I am going to say about that."   
    Don't know if you will have time or inclination to read posts at present James. I have enjoyed some of our exchanges, especially when you have shared some technical insights, or glimpses of your anarchic sense of humor. And I must admit to a sense of achievement when getting your occasional "like" to a comment.
    I am sorry if you have fallen on hard times. I hope you are able to get through things.
    Please apply your own advice: "stay closer to Jehovah than I did". Start getting close to Jehovah.... now! This is a God who can retrieve people from the grave even. He will help you though the pits now...if you let him. Use Psalm 139 for meditation. Stay focussed James. 
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    Evacuated got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Someone selling JW literature CDs etc.   
    There is good money to be made from JW literature, and it is all profit to those who have freeloaded
    https://www.ebay.com/b/Antiquarian-Collectible-Books-Jehovah-Witness-Watchtower/29223/bn_55470279
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    Evacuated got a reaction from JW Insider in ....and like Forest Gump said "... and that's all I am going to say about that."   
    Don't know if you will have time or inclination to read posts at present James. I have enjoyed some of our exchanges, especially when you have shared some technical insights, or glimpses of your anarchic sense of humor. And I must admit to a sense of achievement when getting your occasional "like" to a comment.
    I am sorry if you have fallen on hard times. I hope you are able to get through things.
    Please apply your own advice: "stay closer to Jehovah than I did". Start getting close to Jehovah.... now! This is a God who can retrieve people from the grave even. He will help you though the pits now...if you let him. Use Psalm 139 for meditation. Stay focussed James. 
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    Evacuated got a reaction from Anna in Someone selling JW literature CDs etc.   
    There is good money to be made from JW literature, and it is all profit to those who have freeloaded
    https://www.ebay.com/b/Antiquarian-Collectible-Books-Jehovah-Witness-Watchtower/29223/bn_55470279
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    Evacuated got a reaction from TrueTomHarley in Will JWs religious activity ever return to normal?   
    Will JWs religious activity ever return to normal?
    What normal? I think we are having a ball if we are honest!
    I have never had so much time for spiritual matters.....Prayer!.... Personal study!.... Meetings where I can see EVERYONE in attendance!........All my calls are on interested people!..........  And I have only filled my fuel tank 3 times in the last 6 months!..........If this is ABnormal.....I'll take it any time!
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    Evacuated got a reaction from ComfortMyPeople in Will JWs religious activity ever return to normal?   
    Will JWs religious activity ever return to normal?
    What normal? I think we are having a ball if we are honest!
    I have never had so much time for spiritual matters.....Prayer!.... Personal study!.... Meetings where I can see EVERYONE in attendance!........All my calls are on interested people!..........  And I have only filled my fuel tank 3 times in the last 6 months!..........If this is ABnormal.....I'll take it any time!
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    Evacuated got a reaction from Melinda Mills in Will JWs religious activity ever return to normal?   
    Will JWs religious activity ever return to normal?
    What normal? I think we are having a ball if we are honest!
    I have never had so much time for spiritual matters.....Prayer!.... Personal study!.... Meetings where I can see EVERYONE in attendance!........All my calls are on interested people!..........  And I have only filled my fuel tank 3 times in the last 6 months!..........If this is ABnormal.....I'll take it any time!
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    Evacuated reacted to The Librarian in Witness & Pearl Doxsey   
    @4Jah2me You are 1/2 inch toward getting banned.
    You troll other topics with your same content over and over. 
    Stop or else. Final warning.
    @César Chávez You too are on thin ice (again). This time I'll delete everything you've ever written on this club. Tone it down.
    @Witness You troll as well.... start your own threads. Stay on topic. 
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    Evacuated got a reaction from Anna in Revelation 5:9,10 - "On the Earth" vs. "Over the Earth"   
    You might need to check some basic rules on the use of the English language as well as for the Greek prepositions, then try and discern what Rev 5:10 is referring to. I am sure you will get there in the end one way or another, bit like SS did. 
    Thinking of your astute observation re SM,  about those who appear to be one and the same, you wouldn't have a twin would you? Or maybe a doppelganger or even a clone? I am sure I recognise something in your cut an' run style of argument from somewhere...........🤔
    BTW, @Anna has pipped me to the post with her excellent doctrinal/contextual points above. So much so, there is really no need to elaborate further on this question.  🙂
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    Evacuated got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Revelation 5:9,10 - "On the Earth" vs. "Over the Earth"   
    You might need to check some basic rules on the use of the English language as well as for the Greek prepositions, then try and discern what Rev 5:10 is referring to. I am sure you will get there in the end one way or another, bit like SS did. 
    Thinking of your astute observation re SM,  about those who appear to be one and the same, you wouldn't have a twin would you? Or maybe a doppelganger or even a clone? I am sure I recognise something in your cut an' run style of argument from somewhere...........🤔
    BTW, @Anna has pipped me to the post with her excellent doctrinal/contextual points above. So much so, there is really no need to elaborate further on this question.  🙂
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    Evacuated reacted to Anna in Revelation 5:9,10 - "On the Earth" vs. "Over the Earth"   
    Daniel 29:30 says a kingdom will rule OVER the earth: But after you another kingdom will rise,  inferior to you; then another kingdom, a third one, of copper, that will rule over the whole earth.
    As @Outta Here already explained,  you can rule on or over and it doesn't make much difference in the context under discussion. However, grammatically I would prefer to rule over @4Jah2me if I become Queen of England,  not on him.
    In any case, it is quite clear Revelation 5:10 is talking about pesons in heaven. If we were to apply it to an earthly scene, Jehovah would literally have to  be seated on a throne ON earth in order for Jesus,  "the lamb who was slaughtered" to be seated next to him ON earth. We know Jesus went to heaven and sat at the right hand of God in heaven. We also know that Jesus promised his followers in the 1st century that they would be seated next to him. We know there is a heavenly hope. So for clarities sake it is more accurate to say they will be ruling over the earth rather than on it. Evidently, saying on the earth is confusing, as made evident by the need to make this a topic for discussion in the first place.
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    Evacuated got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Revelation 5:9,10 - "On the Earth" vs. "Over the Earth"   
    New International Version
    You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God, and they will reign on the earth."
    New Living Translation
    And you have caused them to become a Kingdom of priests for our God. And they will reign on the earth.”
    English Standard Version
    and you have made them a kingdom and priests to our God, and they shall reign on the earth.”
    Berean Study Bible
    You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God, and they will reign upon the earth.”
    Aramaic Bible in Plain English
    “And you have made them a Kingdom, Priests and Kings to our God, and they shall reign over The Earth.”
    There is a fault in the logic here.
    The statement itself could be true. BUT, the list of cited scriptures preceding this statement, for which it is presented as a conclusion, refer to rulership, not domicile. The reality however is that a king can rule "over" or "on" a territory without personally being there.
    So, there is actually a disconnect between the conclusion and the citations presented as the supporting evidence. The citations merely indicate that different translators have decided on what they consider to be a contextually appropriate rendering for the preposition epi.
    The end result of the rendering serves either to clarify or slightly obscure the meaning, which itself still remains apparent either way. It is just a question of reasoning effort on the part of the reader which is reduced by the translator  rendering epi  "over" as opposed to "on". Either rendering is acceptable as the meaning itself is not altered.
    So, in answer to the OP, a translator is perfectly at liberty to make a choice between words in their rendering a text into another language where such choice is extended by the nature of the original language. In answer to "Why?", then for the sake of clarity of  the meaning of the text is the reason. In this case, the translator's word choice is quite acceptable according to the various dictionary definitions cited. The understanding of the text is enhanced, not altered. Either rendering epi as "on" or "over" does not change the meaning of the text. It is just that "over" is a better word choice for the sake of style and economy of the effort to comprehend.
     
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    Evacuated got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Revelation 5:9,10 - "On the Earth" vs. "Over the Earth"   
    Well done!
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    Evacuated got a reaction from Anna in Revelation 5:9,10 - "On the Earth" vs. "Over the Earth"   
    Oh, by the way, just a passing thought on Rev.5:10.
    The scripture appears to be about rulership, not geography. In that case it would appear that epi is appropriately rendered in connection with the extent of rulership, rather than the geographical location of the rulers in question. The option of a contextual understanding of this preposition appears to have been exercised at Rev.9:11 and 11:6, and also by other translators in their rendering of the said Rev.5:10. (Courtesy www.biblehub.com).
    Just my "version", of course.
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