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    Evacuated reacted to Queen Esther in The first experiences with *His New Eyes* ;o)   
    The first  experiences  with  *His  New  Eyes* ;o)
    A 24—years old man, looking out a moving trains
    window shouted. "Dad, look. The trees are going
    backwards, they are moving very fast!" His father
    simply looked at him smiling, with so much joy
    on his face. A couple in the nearby seats looked
    at the young man bewildered and thought to
    themselves, "He's so grown up yet so childish. He
    must have a mental disorder for his father not to
    be bothered." Suddenly the young man exclaimed
    again, "Dad, look, the clouds are running with us!"
    The couple could not resist and said to the young
    man's father, "Why don't you take your son to
    see a good doctor, maybe a psychiatrist." The
    man smiled and answered, "Actually, we are just
    coming from a doctor, a good doctor, but not a
    psychiatrist. We are just coming from the
    hospital. My son was blind from birth and he just
    got his sight today for the very first time❤ His
    behavior may seem stupid to you, it's more than
    miracle to me." The couple just sat down there,
    lost for words, starring at each other with a
    mixture of tears and shame in their eyes....
    You see, everybody on earth has a story. Don't
    judge people so fast or jump into conclusion
    about their affairs or their private matters: Why?
    Because you don't know where they're coming
    from or what they have had to deal with, neither
    can you fathoms what they're going through. The
    TRUTH behind their story might surprise you.
    Take it easy with others, even if you think you
    have a perfect life.—Proverbs 25:23, 25.
     
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    Evacuated reacted to JW Insider in Who will call?   
    Jehovah God, the Father, calls. And so does Jesus. No contradiction. Because, in will and purpose --even though the Father is greater-- Jehovah and Jesus are the same. ("I and the Father are one"). The "call" in this case is a "command" which results in the effect of raising the dead to life. It is the simultaneous purpose of both Jehovah and Jesus to effect this resurrection and judgment. This may sound contrived and convoluted, but notice that this is the exact same explanation Jesus gives in John chapter 6:
    (John 6:38-40) 38 for I have come down from heaven to do, not my own will, but the will of him who sent me. 39 This is the will of him who sent me . . . . that I should resurrect them on the last day. 40 For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who recognizes the Son and exercises faith in him should have everlasting life, and I will resurrect him on the last day.”
    (1 Thessalonians 4:15, 16) 15 For this is what we tell you by Jehovah’s word, that we the living who survive to the presence of the Lord will in no way precede those who have fallen asleep in death; 16 because the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first.
    (Philippians 3:14) 14 I am pressing on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God by means of Christ Jesus.
     
     
     
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    Evacuated reacted to Melinda Mills in Who will call?   
    In addition to the comments above, these scriptures clearly show that Jesus will perform the resurrection with full power and authority from his Father.
    (John 5:25-30) . . .the hour is coming, and it is now, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who have paid attention will live. 26 For just as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted also to the Son to have life in himself. 27 And he has given him authority to do judging, because he is the Son of man. 28 Do not be amazed at this, for the hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice 29 and come out, those who did good things to a resurrection of life, and those who practiced vile things to a resurrection of judgment. 30 I cannot do a single thing of my own initiative. Just as I hear, I judge, and my judgment is righteous because I seek, not my own will, but the will of him who sent me.
     
    *** w79 6/15 p. 20 par. 18 Resurrected—“Each In His Own Proper Place” ***
    18 Jesus Christ releases mankind only from the Adamic death and our common grave, Haʹdes. He assured us of this when he said: “I am the First and the Last, and the living one; . . . and I have the keys of death and of Haʹdes.” (Rev. 1:17, 18) So, with good reason, Jesus said to Martha: “I am the resurrection and the life.”—John 11:25.
     
    *** w76 4/15 p. 244 par. 18 Why We Need the Kingdom of Jesus Christ ***
    In heaven the glorified Jesus Christ can still say: “I am the resurrection and the life.” That he is authorized by God his Father to raise the dead, he assures us by his words in the Revelation vision to John: “I became dead, but, look! I am living forever and ever, and I have the keys of death and of Hades.”—Rev. 1:18.
     
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    Evacuated got a reaction from JW Insider in Who will call?   
    2 Pet 1:1 "Simon Peter, a slave and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to those who have acquired a faith as precious as ours through the righteousness of our God and the Savior Jesus Christ:"
     
    2 Pet 1:11 "In fact, in this way you will be richly granted entrance into the everlasting Kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ."
    Acts 5:31 "God exalted this one as Chief Agent and Savior to his right hand, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins."
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    Evacuated got a reaction from The Librarian in 1920 - The Golden Age ABC   
    This publication is mentioned in the Proclaimers Book Ch.16, p.245, and again in God's Kingdom Rules Ch.11, p.115, para. 25.
    We have it listed in the Archive of Publications but not linked. So here is copy of this rather fascinating item.
    1920 - Golden Age ABC .pdf
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    Evacuated got a reaction from JW Insider in How about an "Expose Wrongdoing / Hypocrisy" category on here?   
    Enhancing the JW paparazzi aspect eh? Hmm.
    Pretty subjective. And there might be a problem with eye-rafters. Pictures may speak a thousand words, but maybe not always those spoken by the persons in them.
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    Evacuated got a reaction from JW Insider in Generation   
    As Peter counseled: "await and keep close in mind the presence of the day of Jehovah" 2 Pet 3:12a
     
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    Evacuated reacted to JW Insider in Generation   
    True. You could have numbers ranging from 30 to 40 to 50-something. This 4 generations in 400 years seems like a maximum, but the Bible explicitly lists about 8 generations during that time (Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Joseph's children, Joseph's grandchildren, the generation that died out in the wilderness so as not to see the promised land (a "40-year generation" as Allen pointed out), and also the youngest generation that did see the promised land. Those 8 generations could cut the average down to 50 years.
    We studied this several times at Bethel back in the 1970's and 80's. And I know that others were given the same research task long before and long after. The most interesting thing I remember about that research is something that really surprised me when it hit me: Jesus said it would NOT be one generation. His point contrasted with 40 year generation that died out in the wilderness.
    So Jesus point was NOT so that we could speculate that, for example, a generation can be up to 50 years and therefore 50 years from that point would be the Jewish "Armageddon" in 70 AD. His point was that most of them would live to see it. Jesus knew that it would be much less than 50 years. If it would be 50 years, then most of them would NOT see it, and there would be no reason for anyone to lift up their heads because their deliverance was getting near.
    So evidently the expression "this generation will by no means pass away" was nearly the equivalent of saying:
    (Luke 9:27) "But I tell you truly, there are some of those standing here who will not taste death at all until first they see the Kingdom of God.”
    Of course, that particular verse can be tied the fore-glimpse of the Kingdom that some apostles received just days after Jesus said it. What happened in Jerusalem's great tribulation, was also only a glimpse of what would happen in the world's great tribulation. The Christian community received a powerful lesson that we can also learn from.
    But if we start calculating the maximum length of a generation and use it to determine the farthest range of time for which God Kingdom "will be done on earth" then we have missed the point.
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    Evacuated got a reaction from gfnslave in Is JW.org the most widely recognized international brand logo?   
    As for this portion of your comment, my response to the question is quite simply No!
    I see many wearing crosses today either as jewelry or body art  who see it purely as a decorative item. Some of them are professed atheists.
    I myself wore a cross as a piece of jewelry long before I became a Christian. Worship of it was the furthest thing from my mind at that time.
    Incidentally whilst visiting a capital city in Europe recently, I witnessed a street fight over an automobile incident. One man was attempting to beat another with a large golden crucifix on a chain that he had been wearing at the time. I had no assumption that he was worshipping that item.
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    Evacuated got a reaction from gfnslave in Is JW.org the most widely recognized international brand logo?   
    Even jw.org tattoos have been suggested! Certainly crosses feature quite prominently in body art.
    The same book you quote, same page, shows that over the years, the realization of the unchristian origins and use of the cross symbol made it not just unnecessary but objectionable, so these pins are no longer used. 
    So the issue was not over the use of a badge or pin, but more about the cross symbol incorporated in it's design.
    With regard to the jw.org logo, I do note the proliferation of cottage industry including the logo in various paraphernalia offered for sale. Possibly a distasteful development for some. Maybe a copyright infringement, others assert, but I would leave that evaluation to more qualified legal minds.
    However, I have yet to see any evidence presented to equate it with false religious idols from ancient times. 
    So for me, apart from the obvious use of the logo for branding of media and property belonging to the official organisational entities of Jehovah's Witnesses, all these other private uses of it remain for now, simply a matter of personal choice, governed by good taste and conscience.
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    Evacuated reacted to JW Insider in Generation   
    The Chronology article in Insight should be helpful here in mapping the 4 generations to the 400 years mentioned n verse 14:
    *** it-1 pp. 460-461 Chronology ***
    The period from Abraham’s move to Canaan until Jacob’s going down into Egypt was 215 years. This figure is derived from the following facts: Twenty-five years passed from Abraham’s departure from Haran to the birth of Isaac (Ge 12:4; 21:5); from then to the birth of Jacob was 60 years (Ge 25:26); and Jacob was 130 at the time of his entry into Egypt (Ge 47:9); thus giving a total of 215 years (from 1943 to 1728 B.C.E.). This means that an equal period of 215 years was thereafter spent by the Israelites in Egypt (from 1728 to 1513 B.C.E.). . . . “You may know for sure that your seed will become an alien resident in a land not theirs, and they will have to serve them, and these will certainly afflict them for four hundred years.” (Ge 15:13; see also Ac 7:6, 7.) This was stated prior to the birth of the promised heir or “seed,” Isaac. In 1932 B.C.E. Ishmael was born to Abram by the Egyptian servant girl Hagar, and in 1918 B.C.E. Isaac was born. (Ge 16:16; 21:5) Counting back 400 years from the Exodus, which marked the end of the ‘afflicting’ (Ge 15:14), would bring us to 1913 B.C.E., and at that time Isaac was about five years old. . . .  The very fact that this incident was recorded in detail in the divine record also points to its marking the commencement of the prophesied 400-year period of affliction that would not end until the Exodus.—Ga 4:29.
    So these 4 generations could be understood to take the full 400 years. Of course there is also a good possibility that the 4 generations refers only to the portion of those 400 years that begins after Abraham is promised a peaceful death in old age (1843 BCE), or just as likely, the portion of time that four generations of offspring will be foreigners n Egypt..
    (Genesis 15:13-16) 13 Then He said to Aʹbram: “Know for certain that your offspring will be foreigners in a land not theirs and that the people there will enslave them and afflict them for 400 years. . . . 15 As for you, you will go to your forefathers in peace; you will be buried at a good old age. 16 But they will return here in the fourth generation, . . .
    *** it-1 p. 31 Abraham ***
    Finally, at the good old age of 175, Abraham died, in 1843 B.C.E.
     
    If it's the 215-year portion spent in a land not theirs (Egypt) then it's 215 divided by 4 which is nearly 54 years. If it's the full 400 years divided by 4 generations Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and the "12" brothers, then that averages 100 years each. If it's 400 years that starts after Abraham's death.in 1843 BCE, then 1843 to 1513 BCE leaves an average generation of 82.5 years.
    The most likely one that fits the other generation examples would have to be the four generations that spent time in Egypt, not only after Abraham died, but even after Joseph died.  In this case, that's about 54 years.
    (Exodus 1:5-8) . . .. 5 And all those who were born to Jacob were 70 people, but Joseph was already in Egypt. 6 Joseph eventually died, and also all his brothers and all that generation. 7 And the Israelites became fruitful and began to increase greatly, and they kept on multiplying and growing mightier at an extraordinary rate, so that the land became filled with them. 8 In time there arose over Egypt a new king, one who did not know Joseph
    *** it-1 p. 778 Exodus ***  ". . .there could have been more than three million persons."
    *** it-2 pp. 110-111 Joseph *** Joseph survived his father by about 54 years, reaching the age of 110 years. It was his privilege to see even some of his great-grandsons. Before his death, Joseph, in faith, requested that his bones be taken to Canaan by the Israelites at the time of their Exodus.
    So, it obviously required 4 generations to produce the millions who traveled with Moses. Notice the average, even during times when lifespans were recorded up to nearly 1,000 years of age,
    *** it-1 p. 28 Abraham ***
    Abraham was the tenth generation from Noah through Shem and was born 352 years after the Deluge, in 2018 B.C.E.
    That's about 35.2 years when you divide 352 years by 10 generations.
    We also already know that one of the meanings Jesus had in mind was about 33 to 36 years from 33 C.E. up until Jerusalem was surrounded in 66 C.E. up until it was destroyed in 70 C.E.
     
     
     
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    Evacuated reacted to JW Insider in Day of one's Birth vs. Birthday celebrations   
    Your example is not valid because others evidently took naps and were not beheaded. In fact, Jonah's nap under a bottle-gourd plant is associated with the repentance and salvation of a whole city.
    Proverbs 23:24 You'll take afternoon naps without a worry, you'll enjoy a good night's sleep. (The Message Bible translation)
    Luke 8:23 On the way across, Jesus lay down for a nap, and while he was sleeping the wind began to rise. (NLT)
    However, it is possible to find that 100% of the references to "indoor plumbing" resulted in a violent death. Dogs were also associated with violence and evil in nearly 100% of the references to them. For information on "dogs," just go through any Bible concordance and you'll see it's true. For "indoor plumbing" this passage from Judges is the only direct reference to it:
    (Judges 3:20-24) Then Eʹhud said: “I have a message from God for you.” So he rose up from his throne [Heb. "seat"]. 21 Then Eʹhud drew the sword from his right thigh with his left hand and plunged it into his belly. 22 The handle went in after the blade, and the fat closed in over the blade, for he did not draw the sword out of his belly, and the fecal matter came out. 23 Eʹhud went out through the porch [Heb. "air vent"], closing the doors of the roof chamber behind him and locking them. 24 After he left, the servants returned and saw that the doors of the roof chamber were locked. So they said: “He must be relieving himself in the cool interior room.”
    In fact, only the rich and members of royalty had the kinds of resources to throw banquets and have indoor plumbing. This no doubt is the basis for the fact that it was only kings who were celebrating birthdays. The faithful Job, as a patriarch, had resources similar to royalty, too. This may be why we see each of Job's sons, having a banquet day, and then Job showing concern for whether any of them had "overindulged." 
    (Job 1:2-5) Seven sons and three daughters were born to him [Job]. 3 His livestock amounted to 7,000 sheep, 3,000 camels, 1,000 cattle, and 500 donkeys, along with a very large number of servants, so that he became the greatest of all the people of the East. 4 Each of his sons would hold a banquet at his house on his own set day. They would invite their three sisters to eat and drink with them. 5 After a series of banquet days was complete, Job would send for them in order to sanctify them. Then he would get up early in the morning and offer up burnt sacrifices for each of them. For Job said: “Maybe my sons have sinned and have cursed God in their heart.” That is what Job would always do.
    It's not impossible that those banquet days were also based on their birthdays. Whether or not Job's sons used the exact calendar day of their birth can't be known, but it is still something that these sons repeated as a "series" or a "cycle," and something that Job recognized repeatedly. Full disclosure: There is no direct evidence that Job attended these banquets, and Job's sons were also killed at some point after a series of these banquet days.
    A Measuring Stick?
    I wanted to mention, too, that I agree that the examples of John the Baptist and the account of Joseph and Pharaoh are used as a kind of "measuring stick." But I don't really believe that this was the real reason behind the birthday prohibitions that Brother Rutherford promoted. I think the real reason was to finally separate fellow JWs from following Brother Russell, who had happily promoted the celebration and tracking of birthdays. It seems that almost every Bible Student used a birthday book published by the Watch Tower called "Daily Heavenly Manna" on the outside spine, but with the title: "My Friends their Birthdays and Autographs" on the front cover. (Almost every used copy ever discovered has Brother Russell's own birthday figuring very prominently, including the two copies in the Bethel Library).
    Brother Rutherford was concerned about this "creature worship" but he was not that concerned with "worship" of children, but of Brother Russell himself. Although he went along with it for many years after Russell's death, he privately told A.H.MacMillan that he hated it and would get rid of it if it was the last thing he did. See the book "Faith on the March" p.122:
    "J.F.Rutherford . . . had another purpose. Before he left Atlanta he had determined to rid the organization of creature worship."
    This was a real problem, and it made the Bible Students into a kind of "cult of Brother Russell." That's easy to see if you read what the other Bible Students were saying about Russell, especially after his death. In fact, here is something Brother Russell allowed to be published about himself even before his death, in the Bible Student's Monthly, June 1915:
    "How Brother Russell Ranks in Greatness"
    If C.T.Russell had devoted his life to business, it is easy to guess that John D. Rockefeller would not now be the richest man in the world, nor would J.P.Morgan have been the prince of financiers. . . . And so the man . . . is a Napoleon of finance and business. . . . Pastor Russell . . . has remarkable mental talents of the most varied character . . . like a great poet or a Hebrew seer, it is if Isaiah and J.P.Morgan were united in one individual! . . .  discrimination and analysis of a great lawyer . . . passages from his pen take their place among English classics. Another phase of his many-sided greatness is his scientific talent. . . . A mind like Agazziz and Newton.
    Even Brother Rutherford had joined those voices saying:
    "Charles Taze Russel, thou hast by the Lord, been crowned a king; and through the everlasting ages thy name shall be known amongst the people, and thy enemies shall come and worship at thy feet." - Watchtower, December 1, 1916, [Reprints p.6015.]
    When Brother Rutherford finally started working on this problem, he was trying to change the culture that had been the legacy of Brother Russell. It would take a while. Here are a couple of names from a portion of the 1951 Yearbook listing brothers who had been appointed to special positions at Bethel branches, or as District and Circuit Overseers ("servants"): The Yearbook introduced the list with the following statement:
    The Society has appointed many individuals to take up certain duties in various parts of the earth in branch homes, in circuit and district work and in missionary homes. A few of those who are placed in positions of greater responsibility and who hold special appointments from the Society are brethren whose names are listed on the following pages.
    ..... [p. 51]
    Peterson, Charles Taze Russell...
    Poggensee, Russell Taze...
    Rusk, Fred, Jr. ...
    Schroeder, Albert Darger
     
    [see picture uploaded with this post]
    I only included Fred Rusk's and A.D.Schroeder's name because just now I saw their names included on adjacent pages, and was just remembering how both of them had asked me who would be giving my wedding talk. When Bert Schroeder asked I had already agreed to have Fred Rusk to give it. (Both are now deceased.)
    At any rate, there are a lot of reasons to tie this teaching to the problem of the culture that had developed around Brother Russell. Certain kinds of dress and grooming were also frowned upon for the same reasons, according to Rutherford. I know that others have guessed that it was also related to Rutherford's opinion about children and his attempts to differentiate JWs from the world and help them avoid worldly associations. I'm sure all these could have been factors, too.
     



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    Evacuated got a reaction from Gabriel-3 in Brooklyn Bethel of the 1960s Era - Watchtower Memories   
    Fascinating collection of photos from the '60s found on youtube
     
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    Evacuated got a reaction from The Librarian in Brooklyn Bethel of the 1960s Era - Watchtower Memories   
    Fascinating collection of photos from the '60s found on youtube
     
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    Evacuated reacted to Arauna in Why are Jehovah's Witnesses persecuted in Russia?   
    Nationalism is at an all-time high in Russia with a cult-like following of Putin.  The government there can only be described as a thugocracy.
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    Evacuated reacted to The Librarian in Armenia Releases 70 JW Conscientious Objectors   
    70 happy JW's who survived imprisonment for being conscientious objectors
    Source
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    Evacuated got a reaction from lenjomc in JW Tattoos?   
    Lets discuss "Think Before You Ink"
    https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/family/teenagers/worksheets/tattoo-think-before-you-ink/
    https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/family/teenagers/ask/should-i-get-a-tattoo/
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    Evacuated got a reaction from Queen Esther in JW Tattoos?   
    Lets discuss "Think Before You Ink"
    https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/family/teenagers/worksheets/tattoo-think-before-you-ink/
    https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/family/teenagers/ask/should-i-get-a-tattoo/
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    Evacuated got a reaction from mkrsnow28 in Mid week meeting video   
    Why not ask one of the elders in your congregation. It is an easy task to make the meeting videos available to those who cannot attend.
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    Evacuated got a reaction from JW Insider in Could Jehovah choose an 8 year old child to be one of the "anointed"?   
    Yes, in answer to your question. And if their dedication and baptism was accepted, what would be the basis for dissuading them? As we recently discussed in the Watchtower, the only difference between anointed and others is their calling. So, apart from taking the emblems, their behaviour should be no different from any other dedicated 8 year old. And, as they would continue subject to their parents until adulthood, the congregation would support them as it would any other family.
    And if that 8 year old should change their viewpoint later, what of it? As long as they wished to serve Jehovah faithfully, they would be supported by family and the congregation whatever their destiny.
    I can't help but be reminded of the spirit of Gamaliel's words (Acts 5:39) in many of these discussions about who is and isn't anointed.
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    Evacuated got a reaction from JW Insider in 120 years of Genesis 6:3 and 2034 C.E.   
    WT 2012 15 April p 23 para 5
    The Bible tells us that Jehovah issued a decree in heaven. According to Genesis 6:3, he said: “My spirit shall not act toward man indefinitely in that he is also flesh. Accordingly his days shall amount to a hundred and twenty years.” This was not a statement regarding the average human lifespan. It was a judicial decree in which Jehovah declared when he would act to cleanse the earth of ungodliness. Since the Flood began in 2370 B.C.E., we infer that God made this pronouncement in 2490 B.C.E. At that time, Noah was 480 years old. (Gen. 7:6) Some 20 years later, in the year 2470 B.C.E., Noah’s sons began to be born. (Gen. 5:32) About one hundred years remained before the Flood was to begin
     
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    Evacuated got a reaction from JW Insider in Does Jehovah control the weather?   
    Most Witnesses thank Jehovah at least once a day for putting food on their table. That is regardless of the fact that it may have a Walmart wrapper on it. Matt.5:45; 7:11; Col.3:15.
    Nevertheless, "Satan has demanded to have all of you to sift you as wheat. Lu.22:31. which means that "We must enter into the kingdom of God through many tribulations." Acts 14:22.
    Job had wrong perceptions of many things in his trials, but nevertheless he is known as an integrity keeper despite his errors. 
    Jehovah can and does intervene in events to further His purpose. That is why we have the Bible record of these very interventions. He will soon "intervene" in Satan's scheme to destroy all humans, not only by bringing this system to an end, but by performing billions of resurrections, including the 230,000 @Jay Witness has concern for.
    Jehovah knows that He has equipped His faithful servants 1 Tim 3:16-17. They can uphold His sovereignty through all manner of trials brought by Satan, and He alone determines when the issue of our integrity has been settled sufficiently before He "intervenes" in our personal situation. 1Pet.5:10. He will certainly let nothing stop His intention to extend the opportunity to become Integrity Keepers to the maximum number of humans before He brings this wicked system to its end.
    Meanwhile, we can thank Jehovah for every good thing in our lives because directly or indirectly, weather permitting or not,  all good things come from Him. Jas 1:17.
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    Evacuated reacted to Melinda Mills in Does Jehovah control the weather?   
    *** bh chap. 11 p. 112 pars. 15-16 Why Does God Allow Suffering? ***
    "15 Why, though, has Jehovah allowed suffering to go on for so long? And why does he not prevent bad things from happening? Well, consider two things that the teacher in our illustration would not do. First, he would not stop the rebel student from presenting his case. Second, the teacher would not help the rebel to make his case. Similarly, consider two things that Jehovah has determined not to do. First, he has not stopped Satan and those who side with him from trying to prove that they are right. Allowing time to pass has thus been necessary. In the thousands of years of human history, mankind has been able to try every form of self-rule, or human government. Mankind has made some advances in science and other fields, but injustice, poverty, crime, and war have grown ever worse. Human rule has now been shown to be a failure.
    16 Second, Jehovah has not helped Satan to rule this world. If God were to prevent horrible crimes, for instance, would he not, in effect, be supporting the case of the rebels? Would God not be making people think that perhaps humans can govern themselves without disastrous results? If Jehovah were to act in that way, he would become party to a lie. However, “it is impossible for God to lie.”—Hebrews 6:18."
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    I don't pretend to have the answers, but Jehovah did not stop the great wind that struck the house and killed Job's children, nor did he stop the fire that came from heaven killing Job's sheep and his attendants.  He did not stop the violent windstorm that nearly killed the disciples in the boat of the lake on the sea of Galilee.  In Job's case it was an event from Satan which Jehovah agreed to permit.  In the case with the boat that nearly filled up with water due to the storm while Jesus was asleep, it turned out that Jesus was able to display his ability to calm the wind, thereby showing his future power over the elements as King of God's Kingdom. Jehovah has given Jesus power to also undo death so Job will get back his children in the resurrection. (Luke 8:25; Job 1:16,19; John 3:8)
    However, I like the point in paragraph 16 above which shows that if Jehovah prevented all horrible events from happening  (including weather events - and weather disasters are often aftereffects of the mistaken and selfish decisions/work of man) he would in effect be  making people think that humans can govern themselves without any disastrous results and would then become party to a lie.
    In the new world all earthly systems will be healed and all Jehovah's sons will be taught by him and "they will do no harm or cause any ruin".  Everything and everyone will obediently cooperate for peace and harmony of the universe.
     
    Bold Text - mine.
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    Evacuated reacted to Melinda Mills in Worship or Obeisance? Translating the Greek word "proskuneo"   
    (Philippians 1:9) “This is what I continue praying, that your love may abound still more and more with accurate knowledge and full discernment.”
     
    (1 John 5:20) . . .. 20 But we know that the Son of God has come, and he has given us insight so that we may gain the knowledge of the one who is true. And we are in union with the one who is true, by means of his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and life everlasting.
     
    (Exodus 20:2, 3) 2 “I am Jehovah your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. 3 You must not have any other gods besides me.
     
    (Matthew 4:8-10) 8Again the Devil took him along to an unusually high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory. 9 And he said to him: “All these things I will give you if you fall down and do an act of worship to me.” 10 Then Jesus said to him: “Go away, Satan! For it is written: ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.’”
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    Evacuated got a reaction from Melinda Mills in Worship or Obeisance? Translating the Greek word "proskuneo"   
    Vine's Expository Dictionary states this:
    'PROSKUNEO,  to make obeisance, do reverence to (from pros, towards, and kuneo, to kiss), is the most frequent word rendered to worship. It is used of an act of homage or reverence'.
     Surely context must determine the way this word proskuneo or pro·sky·neʹo is translated, rather than a consistency of English expression. If the word were rendered as "worship" in every case for consistency as suggested, then Rev 3:9 would have the 1st Century Christians receiving worship from those Jews in Philadelphia who come to recognize Jehovah's new arrangement involving the Christian congregation. The related word here is rendered as "bow" in the 2013 NWT, footnote "do obeisance".
    The word worship in English can mean to "regard with great respect, honor, or devotion", and, in Britain, "Your Worship" is used in addressing or referring to an important or high-ranking person, especially a magistrate or mayor. However, in my experience, the word is far more likely to be understood in it's other guise of "reverence offered to a divine or supernatural being" especially when used in a Biblical context. (Webster's definitions).
    Jesus simple statement at Matt 4:8-10 helps me to see the need for this consideration of context. He told Satan: “It is Jehovah your God you must worship [form of pro·sky·neʹo], and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.” So using "obeisance" when this word is applied to created beings, rather than "worship", seems consistent with it's meaning. Most importantly, a consideration of the context of it's use in scripture, should relate particularly the example of Jesus Christ who "gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God" (Ph.2:6). This makes it clear that Jesus, unlike Satan, would never misappropriate or embezzle "worship". Worship belongs only to Jehovah God.
    The 1954 Watchtower 1 January  30-31 has a Question from Readers article for further reasoning on this subject.
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