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    Micah Ong got a reaction from Queen Esther in "Let Your NAME Be Sanctified"   
    @Allen Smith The one thing I have learned from all of this, is that we're all trying to serve a God of great mercy and deep love.  He is greater than our hearts and 'minds' and what Jesus says at Mark 12:30,31 is the most important thing.
    Love covers a multitude of sins.
    God is not limited to man's opinions of others or of him, as he is greater than our hearts and 'minds'.
    No one has the perfect understanding of God's word or of him because man's understanding seems to have changed every so often, so I don't think he's going to hold that against sincere minded individuals.
    He loves us so much he sent his only son for imperfect humans, so why would he hold it against us if we have an imperfect understanding of the scriptures.
    Love and forgiveness seems to be what he is asking of us.
    All the best brother
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    Micah Ong reacted to Queen Esther in "Let Your NAME Be Sanctified"   
    Very  nice  your  last  words  now....  also  in  Jehovah's  eyes,  I  am  sure @Micah Ong 
    30 and you must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind and with your whole strength.’ 31 The second is this, ‘You must love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.
    THANK  YOU !
     
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    Micah Ong got a reaction from Queen Esther in "Let Your NAME Be Sanctified"   
    Agape love to everybody - Mark 12:30,31
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    Micah Ong reacted to Bible Speaks in "Let Your NAME Be Sanctified"   
    My Friends sometimes you can't  win a war and you have to shake the dust off your feet and move on. Don't worry the Truth is a bright light that gets brighter and brighter. 
    “The path of the righteous ones is like the bright light that is getting lighter and lighter until the day is firmly established.”—PROVERBS 4:18. 
    Find the Joy of Jehovah! The rest he'll take care of. ?????

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    Micah Ong reacted to Queen Esther in "Let Your NAME Be Sanctified"   
    . Thats  sorry....   But  SO  many long comments and  NO  end !  Thats not a good sign for true JW,  I think...  NEVER thought,  the Truth must be  SO  complicated !! 
    ps. Yes,  everybody  of  us  is  different....  similar  like  in  the  world  -  but  all  JW  have  the  same  goal,  I  think  so
     
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    Micah Ong got a reaction from Witness in "Let Your NAME Be Sanctified"   
    @Witness wow beautiful scripture, what "good news of peace" that is!
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    Micah Ong got a reaction from Queen Esther in "Let Your NAME Be Sanctified"   
    @Witness wow beautiful scripture, what "good news of peace" that is!
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    Micah Ong reacted to Witness in "Let Your NAME Be Sanctified"   
    “So Peter opened his mouth and said: “Truly I understand that God shows no partiality, but in every nation anyone who fears him and does what is right is acceptable to him.
     As for the word that he sent to Israel, preaching good news of peace through Jesus Christ (he is Lord of all)  you yourselves know what happened throughout all Judea, beginning from Galilee after the baptism that John proclaimed: how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power. He went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with him.
     And we are witnesses of all that he did both in the country of the Jews and in Jerusalem. They put him to death by hanging him on a tree,  but God raised him on the third day and made him to appear, not to all the people but to us who had been chosen by God as witnesses, who ate and drank with him after he rose from the dead.
     And he commanded us to preach to the people and to testify that he is the one appointed by God to be judge of the living and the dead.  To him all the prophets bear witness that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.”  Acts 10:34-43
     
     
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    Micah Ong reacted to Queen Esther in "Let Your NAME Be Sanctified"   
    I'm  sure,  yes !    Thanks  for  your  very  good  comments.  We  all  can  learn,  bec. NOBODY  of  us  is  perfect !  Maybe  someone  thinking  so....  but  we  need  1000  years  for  that,  hahaha  -  thats  the  reason,  I  read  alot....  but  I  NOT  believe  all....  I  hope  you  understand  me,  @Micah Ong ??  Thank  you !  Greetings  from  Germany  to  you ❤
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    Micah Ong got a reaction from Queen Esther in "Let Your NAME Be Sanctified"   
    The nation of Israel and foreigners who attached themselves to that nation certainly addressed Almighty God as YHWH.  That applied to the old covenant.  Isaiah 43:10
    The true God has now opened up himself to all the nations now with the new covenant.  No where in the new testament is anyone addressing the Father as YHWH.  Jesus name means Ya saves!  He wants us to be witnesses of that name.
    We are in the new covenant now Isaiah 62:2 is fulfilled in Jesus. " And you will be given a new name by Jehovah's own mouth."
    We can't be stuck in the old Jewish way of things Matt 9:16,17  The old covenant is now fulfilled in the new covenant.
    That new name from Isaiah 62:2 is 'Jesus' witnesses or Christians, followers of Christ.  Philippians 2:9,10; Acts 4:10-12
    Yes we are admonished to bow to Jesus name that is above every name.  Will we or will we go back to the old covenant?  Can we ignore scriptures like Philippians 2:9,10 and stick to mere sentiment handed down from a teaching from men.
    @Queen Esther The Bible has the right answer Acts 4:12 says there is no other name.
     
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    Micah Ong reacted to Queen Esther in "Let Your NAME Be Sanctified"   
    @Micah Ong   and   @Bible Speaks ......  who  has  the  right  answer ??
    I'm  sure,  ONLY  our  Librarian  can  help  here !
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    Micah Ong got a reaction from Queen Esther in "Let Your NAME Be Sanctified"   
    @Bible Speaks Again no YHWH, he is addressed as the Father in the scripture you have just quoted.  This scripture Matt 24:36 does not say YHWH is the name above every other name.
    That scripture only shows that while Jesus was on earth he did not know the day or the hour.  The Watchtower even says Jesus would know by now.
    The scriptures I have previously shown, clearly demonstrate the name Jesus is the most high name now.  That's why he said to Paul and others you will be "witnesses of me".  He didn't say witnesses of Jehovah through me.  Again the "bible speaks"!
    Acts 1:8, Acts 9:15
    Philippians 2:9,10 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name,10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
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    Micah Ong got a reaction from Queen Esther in "Let Your NAME Be Sanctified"   
    @Bible Speaks Wow everything I have showed you is based on God's Word not my own idea.  Philippians 2:9,10 is clear as daylight.  You can't go against Gods word.  The "bible speaks" for itself.  How else do you explain Philippians application?  The name Jesus is above the name Jehovah.  The New Testament is God's final Revelation and message, not the Old Testament where YHWH is found.  You can't show any of the earliest manuscripts of the New Testament showing the Divine name.
    Jesus is the name borne witness to.

    Acts 9:15 "But the Lord said to him: "Be on your way, because this man is a chosen vessel to me to bear my name to the nations as well as to kings and the sons of Israel."

    Acts 1:8 "YOU will be witnesses of me (Jesus) both in Jerusalem and in all Ju·de´a and Sa·mar´i·a and to the most distant part of the earth."
    Jesus is the name used to expel demons.

    Mark 9:38-39 "John said to him: "Teacher, we saw a certain man expelling demons by the use of your name and we tried to prevent him, because he was not accompanying us." But Jesus said: "Do not try to prevent him, for there is no one that will do a powerful work on the basis of my name that will quickly be able to revile me;"
    Jesus is the subject of the kingdom good news.

    Galatians 1:7 "But it is not another; only there are certain ones who are causing YOU trouble and wanting to pervert the good news about the Christ."
    Jesus name invokes persecution, yet Jehovah's Witnesses claim their persecution in the Name of Jehovah fulfills prophecy.

    Matthew 24:9 "Then people will deliver YOU up to tribulation and will kill YOU, and YOU will be objects of hatred by all the nations on account of my name."
    Jesus name alone is the means of salvation.

    Acts 4:10-12 "… let it be known to all of YOU and to all the people of Israel, that in the name of Jesus Christ the Naz‧a‧rene′, whom YOU impaled but whom God raised up from the dead, by this one does this man stand here sound in front of YOU. This is ‘the stone that was treated by YOU builders as of no account that has become the head of the corner.’Furthermore, there is no salvation in anyone else, for there is not another name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must get saved.”"
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    Micah Ong reacted to Witness in How do we make sense of Romans 10:13 "Everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved" and Acts 4:10,12. The answer might surprise you!   
    Thanks, Eoin, I scratched my head over its use, but as you know, I ran with it. You could have let the whole thing drop, but I do appreciate your upfront honesty. 
    “If anyone thinks he knows anything, he does not yet know it as he ought to know it.  But if anyone loves God, he is known by Him.”
    Hmmm,
     Wt 13/7/15 -   “What about the Governing Body members who today make up the faithful and discreet slave? “
    Matt 25:14-30 - Notice these scriptures address “slaves”, and it is not until the Master returns that they are commended as “good and faithful”. 
    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matt+25%3A14-30+&version=HCSB
    “For if anyone considers himself to be something when he is nothing, he deceives himself.”  Gal 6:3
    It has always been my desire to see each one of the GB repent for misleading the flock and for allowing their brothers in Christ to be “trampled”; but end time prophesy announced by the “two witnesses”, commissioned by Christ declare this trampling of God’s anointed ones would take place.  Dan 9:27,11:31; Matt 13:14; Rev 3:18; 1 Cor 4:5
    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Dan+9%3A27%2C11%3A31%3B+Matt+13%3A14%3B+Rev+3%3A18%3B+1+Cor+4%3A5&version=HCSB
    By his faithful actions toward God, Noah ‘judged’ the world.  The announcements against the iniquities of God’s people are always commissioned by God through those he uses to announce condemnation.  This is the case of the “two witnesses” in Revelation, who are “killed” for their testimony for Truth in Christ.  Rev 11:1-10
    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rev+11%3A1-10&version=HCSB
    In Rev 11:1, the Temple being measured are the anointed ones, measured according to God’s righteous standards.  1 Cor 3:16; 1 Pet 2:5; Eph 2:20-22; Rev 6:9-11  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Cor+3%3A16%3B+1+Pet+2%3A5%3B+Eph+2%3A20-22%3B+Rev+6%3A9-11++&version=HCSB
    Rev 11:2 – “But exclude the courtyard outside the sanctuary. Don’t measure it, because it is given to the nations, and they will trample the holy city for 42 months.”
    You will find Greek interlinears giving both terms “within, without” or simply one or the other, concerning which courtyard has been given over to the Gentiles, where the Gentile elder body stands. It shows the discrepancy in the interpretive meaning of what courtyard has been given to the Gentiles.   In the early temple arrangement, the inner courtyard was restricted from the Gentiles, only God’s appointed priests were allowed, which supports the translation of “within” the sanctuary. 
    http://www.bible-history.com/jewishtemple/JEWISH_TEMPLEThe_Court_of_the_Gentiles.htm
    “The entire Temple compound was considered holy, but it became increasingly more holy as one entered farther in, from east to west. King Herod had enclosed the outer court with colonnades and it was referred to as the Court of the Gentiles because the "gentiles" (non-Jews) were permitted to enter the Temple area. They could walk within in it but they were forbidden to go any further than the outer court. They were excluded from entering into any of the inner courts, and warning signs in Greek and Latin were placed that gave warning that the penalty for such trespass was death.”
     “Don’t you know that you yourselves are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit dwells in your midst?  If anyone destroys God’s temple, God will destroy that person; for God’s temple is sacred, and you together are that temple.” 1 Cor 3:16,17
    Knowing this helps us to see how serious it is that the elder body, spiritual “Gentiles” have overrun God’s anointed Temple, the Body of Christ, and their expected obedience to a fabricated priesthood and a fabrication of salvation.
    A created thing can become an idol
    An earthly investment can become one’s idol
    If it is proclaimed as blessed by God, it is an idol. 
    “Willingly and promptly do what Jehovah’s organization wants you to do, relying on Jehovah to help you.” w14 5/15 pp. 16-20
    “Of what value is an idol carved by a craftsman? Or an image that teaches lies? For the one who makes it trusts in his own creation; he makes idols that cannot speak.”  Hab 2:18
    It was by faith that Noah condemned the world, faith in God’s Word and prophesy fulfillment.  Through faith the prophets announced the sins of their people in ancient times, as well as John the Baptist and the apostles.  And of course, all of them were pretty much despised.  “Two Witnesses” are those anointed ones of Christ’s Body who have responded to the call of the Marriage Feast, the opening of Revelation’s scrolls.  Dan 12:9; Matt 24:27,28; 25:1,6; 22:4; 3:20  And many have joined them in voicing this truth. Matt 22:8-10;  Zech 8:23
    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Dan+12%3A9%3B+Matt+24%3A27%2C28%3B+25%3A1%2C6%3B+22%3A4%3B+3%3A20%3B++Matt+22%3A8-10%3B+Zech+8%3A23&version=HCSB
    IF the GB KNOWS the true meaning of Roman 10:13, why don’t they expose it as good stewards of God’s Word?  Holy Spirit would move them to do so if they are on the side of Truth in Christ, motivated by love for Christ.  1 Cor 4:1,2; 8:1-3; 1 Cor 2:13,14; Gen 3:15; Rev 12:7; 2:20  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Cor+4%3A1%2C2%3B+8%3A1-3%3B+1+Cor+2%3A13%2C14%3B+Gen+3%3A15%3B+Rev+12%3A7%3B+2%3A20&version=HCSB
    Going back to Rom 10 -
    “How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard?”
    When this was written, the Jews knew about God, so this doesn’t refer to “Jehovah” as the Wt. states.
    “And how can they hear without someone preaching to them?  And how can anyone preach unless they are sent? As it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!”
    “But not all the Israelites accepted the good news. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our message?” 17 Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word about Christ.
    We know how the Wt. interprets this.  But, who is really bringing the “good news” about the Christ?  It is the “two witnesses”.  Mal 3:1; Matt 25:31-33  Their message concerns the  “restoration” of Jacob, God’s Temple, and it is preached to the “inhabited earth” – God’s dwelling, spiritual “Israel”.  Zech 4:1-14; Matt 17:3,11; Luke 1:16,17; Mal 4:6; Matt 10:23; Isa 49:5-9,12,13
    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mal+3%3A1%3B+Matt+25%3A31-33%3B+Zech+4%3A1-14%3B+Matt+17%3A3%2C11%3B+Luke+1%3A16%2C17%3B+Mal+4%3A6%3B+Matt+10%3A23%3B+Isa+49%3A5-9%2C12%2C13+&version=HCSB
    Angels/messengers are “ministering spirits”, John 1:51 (Heb 1:14) both in heaven and on earth; God’s ‘two witness’ messengers are anointed ones who prove true to the New Covenant in Christ.  Eph 2:6,7; Rev.22:6-9; 1:20; Heb 2:2; 2 Cor 10:6; Heb 2:5,16; 1:7; Ps 104:4; 39:3
    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+1%3A51%3B+Heb+1%3A14%3B++Eph+2%3A6%2C7%3B+Rev.22%3A6-9%3B+1%3A20%3B+Heb+2%3A2%3B+2+Cor+10%3A6%3B+Heb+2%3A5%2C16%3B+1%3A7%3B+Ps+104%3A4%3B+39%3A3+&version=HCSB
    Holy Spirit is not an inactive questionable power, but very much alive in those who choose Christ and not an idol. John 16:13; Hab 2:3
    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+16%3A13%3B+Hab+2%3A3&version=HCSB
     
     
     
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    Micah Ong reacted to Evacuated in How do we make sense of Romans 10:13 "Everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved" and Acts 4:10,12. The answer might surprise you!   
    Wow! Whatever happened to you? These are the only relevant parts of your response. I can understand your withdrawal. Sorry to have touched such a raw nerve! 
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    Micah Ong reacted to Evacuated in How do we make sense of Romans 10:13 "Everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved" and Acts 4:10,12. The answer might surprise you!   
    You are quoting me here and I apologise unreservedly for mistyping the reference. Especially as you have addressed the matter so comprehensively. Forgive me for not engaging on what you have responded with as it was to my mistaken reference.
    Let me recap:
    Compare 1Cor 8:2. 
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    Micah Ong reacted to Witness in How do we make sense of Romans 10:13 "Everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved" and Acts 4:10,12. The answer might surprise you!   
    How so?  All prophesy about the chosen ones must be fulfilled concerning them through the great tribulation which coincides with Armageddon. Dan 12:7; Rev 13:7 Jer 31:11; 15:21; Isa 48:20; 51:11; Zech 9:16; Rev 1:20; 10:5; 5:10; Eph 2:6  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Dan+12%3A7%3B+Rev+13%3A7+Jer+31%3A11%3B+15%3A21%3B+Isa+48%3A20%3B+51%3A11%3B+Zech+9%3A16%3B+Rev+1%3A20%3B+10%3A5%3B+5%3A10%3B+Eph+2%3A6&version=HCSB
    You’re right, it is “not yet”; I made a careless remark and apologize, yet the Watchtower continually tries to fulfill it, and it all hinges on 1914 doesn’t it?  Dan 12:7; 1 Cor 15:24; 2 Thess 2:1-3 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Dan+12%3A7%3B+1+Cor+15%3A24%3B+2+Thess+2%3A1-3&version=HCSB
    2 Cor 8 “In the midst of a very severe trial, their overflowing joy and their extreme poverty welled up in rich generosity. 3 For I testify that they gave as much as they were able, and even beyond their ability. Entirely on their own, 4 they urgently pleaded with us for the privilege of sharing in this service to the Lord’s people. 5 And they exceeded our expectations: They gave themselves first of all to the Lord, and then by the will of God also to us.   2 Cor 8:2-5
    Are you referring to the Russian ban, and their loss of real-estate built on the sheep’s money, or the ‘remarkable’ work of the GB over the years?
    “Extreme poverty”?
    No anointed one knows “poverty” until they have lost family and friends, giving up the life they knew as a JW for Truth in Christ. John 15:20; Matt 16:25; Rev 13:15; 12:11 Yet, they also don’t perceive their “poverty” as a wicked slave rules over them.  Matt 24:48-51; Luke 12:45; Dan 7:7,19,23; 1 Cor 4:8’ Matt 24:15; Rev 3:17,18  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+15%3A20%3B+Matt+16%3A25%3B+Rev+13%3A15%3B+12%3A11%3BMatt+24%3A48-51%3B+Luke+12%3A45%3B+Dan+7%3A7%2C19%2C23%3B+1+Cor+4%3A8’+Matt+24%3A15%3B+Rev+3%3A17%2C18&version=HCSB
    Luke 16:19-31  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+16%3A19-31&version=HCSB
    “Everyone must submit to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except from God, and those that exist are instituted by God. 2 So then, the one who resists the authority is opposing God’s command, and those who oppose it will bring judgment on themselves. 
     For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have its approval. 4 For government is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, because it does not carry the sword for no reason. For government is God’s servant, an avenger that brings wrath on the one who does wrong. 
    5 Therefore, you must submit, not only because of wrath, but also because of your conscience.” 
    6 And for this reason you pay taxes, since the authorities are God’s public servants, continually attending to these tasks. 
    7 Pay your obligations to everyone: taxes to those you owe taxes, tolls to those you owe tolls, respect to those you owe respect, and honor to those you owe honor." Rom 13:1-7
    You might be interested in the article I will post below. 
    JWs must question why they have suffered so in Russia.  God’s laws, which do not change, have been transgressed – against his anointed people, against his Temple. Matt 24:15;  And against our salvation found in Christ by teaching it is only through an organization. 1 Cor 6:19,20; 3:16,17; Acts 4:12
    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matt+24%3A15%3B+1+Cor+6%3A19%2C20%3B+3%3A16%2C17%3B+Acts+4%3A12&version=HCSB
     “They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served something created instead of the Creator, who is praised forever. Amen. Rom 1:25
    The truth of God is Jesus Christ!  John 14:6; 4:24
     “Rich generosity?”
    In what way, spiritually?  Offering guidance in error?  Rich generosity that is absent toward their anointed brothers in Christ?  Simply, Eoin, do you believe it is a loving act to disfellowship another anointed one who sees the GB’s error, brings it up, but are then shunned; and to carry this hypocritical act further onto all who question wrong teachings?
    Rom 12:3 – “For by the grace given to me, I tell everyone among you not to think of himself more highly than he should think.” 
    Is the GB exempt from this?
    “Instead, think sensibly, as God has distributed a measure of faith to each one.”
    The entire anointed body is included in these scriptures:
    “According to the grace given to us, we have different gifts:
    If prophecy,
    use it according to the standard of one’s faith;
    7 if service, in service;
    if teaching, in teaching;
    8 if exhorting, in exhortation;
    giving, with generosity;
    leading, with diligence;
    showing mercy, with cheerfulness.”  Rom 12:6-8
    Not one of these gifts are recognized by the GB possessed by other anointed ones.  A “steward” is to glean from all and serves from all; the GB listen and serve from their own selfish platter of spoiled fruit.  Rom 12:9,13; Luke 16:11-13; Matt 7:17,18
    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rom+12%3A9%2C13%3B+Luke+16%3A11-13%3B+Matt+7%3A17%2C18&version=HCSB
    The GB has deceived the sheep in unlimited ways, and Micah brings out just one:
    “Brothers, my heart’s desire and prayer to God concerning them is for their salvation! 2 I can testify about them that they have zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. 3 Because they disregarded the righteousness from God and attempted to establish their own righteousness, they have not submitted themselves to God’s righteousness. 
    Our salvation in Christ is the righteousness from God.
    4 “For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes. 5 For Moses writes about the righteousness that is from the law: The one who does these things will live by them. 6 But the righteousness that comes from faith speaks like this: Do not say in your heart, “Who will go up to heaven?” that is, to bring Christ down 7 or, “Who will go down into the abyss?” that is, to bring Christ up from the dead. 8 On the contrary, what does it say? The message is near you, in your mouth and in your heart.”
    From the kr book I quoted above, does it appear that the message is in the mouth and heart of JWs – about Christ?  Or is it about the wonders and glory of “Jehovah’s organization”?
    "This is the message of faith that we proclaim: 9 If you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 
    10 One believes with the heart, resulting in righteousness, and one confesses with the mouth, resulting in salvation." 
    That “Jesus is Lord” is not the primary ‘confession’ of JWs.  It is based solely on the organization. In fact, GB Lett in his broadcast about the results of the Russian ban said how much the GB appreciates their support of the organization. 
    11 "Now the Scripture says, Everyone who believes on Him will not be put to shame, 12 for there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, since the same Lord of all is rich to all who call on Him. 13 For everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."
    By reading the scriptures prior to verse 13, and we compare it with verse 9, it is clear that the name represented by “Lord” in 13 should be understood as Jesus Christ. 
    Yet, the ‘generous’ GB deceitfully has given Jesus little authority and little honor that is demanded by the Father.  They have changed the scriptures, and more than once.
    2 Cor 8:5 – “And they exceeded our expectations: They gave themselves first of all to the Lord, and then by the will of God also to us.”
    Has the GB really given themselves to Christ or to their own insatiable appetite for self-glory, deceit and the establishment of earthly riches?   Rev 18:5-8; Isa 22:17-19; Rev 17:15-18; 16:4-7; 18:3; 10:11; 16:13,14 (1 Cor 4:8; Rev 1:5,6;19:16) https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rev+18%3A5-8%3B+Isa+22%3A17-19%3B+Rev+17%3A15-18%3B+16%3A4-7%3B+18%3A3%3B+10%3A11%3B+16%3A13%2C14%3B1+Cor+4%3A8%3B+Rev+1%3A5%2C6%3B19%3A16 &version=HCSB
     
    https://www.newera.com.na/2017/04/28/church-loses-labour-case/
     
     
     
     
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    Micah Ong got a reaction from Queen Esther in One Of The Saddest Things Done In The Name of Religion - To Not Teach That God Had a Name?   
    Thank you @bible speaks that is a lot of information.
    You start off by showing in Revelation that Jehovah says the he is the first and the last, well Jesus says that of himself too at Revelation 1:17,18 "When I saw him, I fell as dead at his feet.
    And he laid his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last, 18 and the living one, and I became dead, but look! I am living forever and ever, and I have the keys of death and of the Grave."
    Remember too that Jehovah is not in the Koine Greek manuscripts as the Kingdom Interlinear clearly shows.  If he wanted that name in the New Testament he would of made it known in the earliest manuscripts, so it doesn't read 'Jehovah' is the Alpha and the Omega.  If you look in the Kingdom Interlinear, it uses the same Greek words for Lord and God in Revelation 1:8 that it uses in John 20:28 where Thomas says Jesus my Lord(Kupios) and my God(Oeos).
    In this example the term firstborn obviously speaks of preeminence in rank. David was preeminent among the kings of Israel. However he was not the oldest, or firstborn, in his family. David was in fact the youngest. Therefore in this context, the idea of firstborn among the kings has the idea of preeminence and does not have the idea of time.
    It Has The Idea Of Preeminence In The Book Of Colossians
    In the passage in Colossians the idea of Jesus as firstborn means that He is preeminent over creation not that He is a created being. This can be seen from the verses that follow.
    Jesus is clearly called the Creator of all things. Consequently He could not have been the first thing created.
    Jesus Has Preeminence Over The Dead
    Jesus is also called the firstborn from the dead.
    Jesus was the first person in time to come back from the dead never to die again. In addition, He is preeminent over the dead and death itself. Jesus said that He has the keys, or the authority, to death and Hades.
    Jesus Is The Firstborn Over All Creation
    There is one final thing. Colossians 1:15 could be better translated in the following manner.
    This translation emphasizes that Jesus is preeminent "over" His creation. This is to be preferred to the translation of "the firstborn of all creation" which gives the impression that Jesus is a created being.
    Summary
    Jesus is called the firstborn of all creation. This does not mean that He is a created being. The idea is that Jesus has preeminence over all creation.
    The word translated, "firstborn" can refer to preeminence in rank or preeminence in time. The context will determine. In the Psalms David is called the "firstborn" among the kings even though he was the youngest son of his father. In this context, firstborn can only refer to rank.
    Jesus is called the firstborn in the sense that He is over all of creation. This is made clear by the following verses in which it says that He is the Creator. Therefore a better translation would be that Jesus is the firstborn, "over all of creation."
    Consequently there is no idea here of Jesus being someone who was created.
    Mighty God Isaiah 9:6
    Jesus is said to be Mighty God in Isaiah 9:6.
    Then in the next chapter Jehovah is said to be Mighty God.
    Isaiah 10:20,21
    20 In that day those remaining of Israel
    And the survivors of the house of Jacob
    Will no longer support themselves on the one who struck them;
    But they will support themselves on Jehovah,
    The Holy One of Israel, with faithfulness.
    21 Only a remnant will return,
    The remnant of Jacob, to the Mighty God.
     
    Abraham saw Jehovah when he was manifest in the flesh
    Genesis 18:1-19:1
    You can't see Jehovah in his Godly form as a human but Abraham saw Jehovah and two other angels as they appeared in human form!
    The scriptures are clear on this please let them speak to you clearly.
    You say Jesus said it was Jehovah your God you must worship but he never said Jehovah's name, that's not in the Koine Greek Manuscript.  Remember you can only reference Jehovah in the Hebrew scriptures, Jehovah is not in the Christian Greek Scriptures.  If it was we would have proof and they would be in the Koine Greek manuscripts.  Again If Jehovah wanted his name in the earliest manuscripts he would of preserved it in them.
    But again the Watchtower takes it upon themselves to place it in there under assumptions, not based on God's ability to preserve his name.  He used it in the Hebrew scriptures because it was meant to be there so if he wanted to have it in the Christian Greek Scriptures he would have done so.  It is not meant to be there!
     
     
     
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    Micah Ong reacted to Evacuated in How do we make sense of Romans 10:13 "Everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved" and Acts 4:10,12. The answer might surprise you!   
    "by no means" doesn't sit well with this.
    ???not yet I think???
    Now this is definitely getting...dodgy??
    Compare 2Cor. 8:2
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    Micah Ong reacted to Witness in How do we make sense of Romans 10:13 "Everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved" and Acts 4:10,12. The answer might surprise you!   
    I haven’t bought into it for a long time now.
    Matt 24:34 – “ I assure you: This generation will certainly not pass away until all these things take place.”
    By looking deeper, we see there are several applications used for the word “generation” in the scriptures.
    fathered, birth, nativity
    I.that which has been begotten, men of the same stock, a family
    A. the several ranks of natural descent, the successive members of a genealogy
    B. metaph. a group of men very like each other in endowments, pursuits, character
    i.esp. in a bad sense, a perverse nation
    II.the whole multitude of men living at the same time
    III.an age (i.e. the time ordinarily occupied be each successive generation), a space of 30 - 33 years
    We also see there are two major generations that are addressed; a righteous one, of whose members are born of God’s spirit, with God as their Father. 1 John 5:18; 1 Pet 1:23; Phil 2:5; Mat 5:48  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+John+5%3A18%3B+1+Pet+1%3A23%3B+Phil+2%3A5%3B+Mat+5%3A48&version=HCSB
    “His descendants will be powerful in the land; the generation of the upright will be blessed.”  Ps 112:2
    And.. there is a wicked, crooked generation:
    “His people have acted corruptly toward Him; this is their defect -- they are not His children but a devious and crooked generation.”  Deut 32:5
    Satan is their father, and all of this generation are a “a group of men very like each other in endowments, pursuits, character”
    Acts 2:40; 1 Tim 4:1; John 8:44; Rev 16:13 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+2%3A40%3B+1+Tim+4%3A1%3B+John+8%3A44%3B+Rev+16%3A13&version=HCSB
    Both of these “seed” groups from different fathers, remain until prophesy about both is fulfilled. Gen 3:15; Dan 12:7; 1 Cor 15:24; 2 Thess 2:9,10; Rev 12:9; John 6:63; 5:21; Luke 13:24
    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Gen+3%3A15%3B+Dan+12%3A7%3B+1+Cor+15%3A24%3B+2+Thess+2%3A9%2C10%3B+Rev+12%3A9%3B+John+6%3A63%3B+5%3A21%3B+Luke+13%3A24&version=HCSB
    The generation Jesus is referring to in Matt 24:34 relates to all the anointed ones; they are two “seed” groups within one group - the called ones of Christ.   This generation is at odds with one another – the wheat and the weeds - and will not “pass away” until the last of the generation receive either a reward or punishment.  Rev 16:15; 3:2,3; Matt 24:43
    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rev+16%3A15%3B+3%3A2%2C3%3B+Matt+24%3A43&version=HCSB
    The Watchtower leaders teach a bumbling version of “this generation” as already being fulfilled.  Surely, their grappling over this concept should help us to discern which “seed” they may belong to.    2 Thess 2:1-3; Dan 7:25
    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2Thess.2%3A1%2C2%2C3%3B+Dan.7%3A25&version=HCSB
    I do also.
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    Micah Ong reacted to Witness in How do we make sense of Romans 10:13 "Everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved" and Acts 4:10,12. The answer might surprise you!   
    It's pretty much an uphill battle. The  Wt. seems to feel it necessary to forego the words, “This is my beloved Son. Hear Him!"  Luke 9:35  Did God give Jesus an "overbalanced importance" by proclaiming this?  Should we correct God or listen and heed the scriptures about our only source of salvation, that one can avail without the need of an organization?
    The Watchtower counts everything, even how many times they have published the name, Jehovah.  
    kr chapter 4, pgs 39-48, "First, Jehovah’s servants came to have the proper view of the importance of God’s name. Faithful early Bible Students viewed the ransom arrangement as the Bible’s main teaching. That explains why the Watch Tower often focused on Jesus. For example, in its first year of publication, the magazine mentioned the name Jesus ten times more than the name Jehovah. Regarding the Bible Students’ early years, The Watchtower of March 15, 1976, noted that they gave “overbalanced importance” to Jesus. In time, though, Jehovah helped them to discern the prominence that the Bible gives to God’s personal name. How did that affect the Bible Students? Especially from 1919 onward, says the same Watchtower article, “they began showing more appreciation for Messiah’s heavenly Father, Jehovah.” In fact, during the decade following 1919, The Watch Tower mentioned God’s name over 6,500 times!
    10 By giving the name Jehovah proper recognition, our brothers showed their love for God’s name. Like Moses of old, they set out to “declare the name of Jehovah.” (Deut. 32:3; Ps. 34:3) In turn, as promised in the Scriptures, Jehovah took note of their love for his name and showed them favor.—Ps. 119:132; Heb. 6:10."
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    Micah Ong got a reaction from Witness in How do we make sense of Romans 10:13 "Everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved" and Acts 4:10,12. The answer might surprise you!   
    Romans 10:13 For “everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved.” 
     
    This would be a contradiction to the statement in the book of Acts.
     
    Compare Acts 4:10 "let it be known to all of you and to all the people of Israel that in the name of Jesus Christ the Naz·a·rene..."
    verse 12 "there is no salvation in anyone else, for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must get saved.
     
    It is a contradiction in the 'New World Translation.'
     
    But Romans 10:13 from the Koine Greek(common Greek manuscripts as close as you can get to the original) you find in the Kingdom Interlinear Bible as found on the JW Library app; there is no 'Jehovah' but 'Kupiou' or 'Lord.'  Remember Thomas said "My Lord and my God."
     
    So there is no contradiction but it is by Jesus name we get saved.
     
    Compare also
     
    Philippians 2:9,10 For this very reason, God exalted him to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every other name, 10 so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend—of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground.
     
    I know his name Jesus means Jehovah saves.  But that is quite different to just Jehovah which means "I Am who I Am" or "I shall become."  In Ancient Jewish times it was more about the meaning of the name than the name it self.
     
    Jehovah had many names back then.
     
    El Shaddai (Lord God Almighty) El Elyon (The Most High God) Adonai (Lord, Master) Yahweh (Lord, Jehovah) Jehovah Nissi (The Lord My Banner) Jehovah-Raah (The Lord My Shepherd) Jehovah Rapha (The Lord That Heals) Jehovah Shammah (The Lord Is There) Jehovah Tsidkenu (The Lord Our Righteousness) Jehovah Mekoddishkem (The Lord Who Sanctifies You) El Olam (The Everlasting God) Elohim (God) Qanna (Jealous) Jehovah Jireh (The Lord Will Provide) Jehovah Shalom (The Lord Is Peace) Jehovah Sabaoth (The Lord of Hosts)  
    So one could reasonably conclude that Isaiah 43:10 “You are my witnesses,” declares Jehovah,
    “Yes, my servant whom I have chosen,

    Would apply to the nation of Israel back then that were part of the old covenant.  But in Isaiah 62:2 he speaks of his people having a new name. Acts 1:7,8 "He said to them: “It does not belong to you to know the times or seasons that the Father has placed in his own jurisdiction. 8 But you will receive power when the holy spirit comes upon you, and you will be witnesses of me(Jesus) in Jerusalem, in all Ju·deʹa and Sa·marʹi·a, and to the most distant part of the earth.”
    Yes witnesses of Jesus!
    Wouldn't then that be "Christians" as Jesus followers were known of back then in Antioch - followers of Christ. 
    Remember Jesus came to fulfill the law and bring in a new covenant, "that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend..." and "there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must get saved."

    So it makes sense then that YHWH isn't in the Christian Greek Scriptures. Please re-read our promises in the scriptures.  Our hope is more wonderful than you think.  Our God is a wonderfully loving God.  We just need to worship him with spirit and truth! Christian regards
      Micah
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    Micah Ong got a reaction from Queen Esther in How do we make sense of Romans 10:13 "Everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved" and Acts 4:10,12. The answer might surprise you!   
    Romans 10:13 For “everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved.” 
     
    This would be a contradiction to the statement in the book of Acts.
     
    Compare Acts 4:10 "let it be known to all of you and to all the people of Israel that in the name of Jesus Christ the Naz·a·rene..."
    verse 12 "there is no salvation in anyone else, for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must get saved.
     
    It is a contradiction in the 'New World Translation.'
     
    But Romans 10:13 from the Koine Greek(common Greek manuscripts as close as you can get to the original) you find in the Kingdom Interlinear Bible as found on the JW Library app; there is no 'Jehovah' but 'Kupiou' or 'Lord.'  Remember Thomas said "My Lord and my God."
     
    So there is no contradiction but it is by Jesus name we get saved.
     
    Compare also
     
    Philippians 2:9,10 For this very reason, God exalted him to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every other name, 10 so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend—of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground.
     
    I know his name Jesus means Jehovah saves.  But that is quite different to just Jehovah which means "I Am who I Am" or "I shall become."  In Ancient Jewish times it was more about the meaning of the name than the name it self.
     
    Jehovah had many names back then.
     
    El Shaddai (Lord God Almighty) El Elyon (The Most High God) Adonai (Lord, Master) Yahweh (Lord, Jehovah) Jehovah Nissi (The Lord My Banner) Jehovah-Raah (The Lord My Shepherd) Jehovah Rapha (The Lord That Heals) Jehovah Shammah (The Lord Is There) Jehovah Tsidkenu (The Lord Our Righteousness) Jehovah Mekoddishkem (The Lord Who Sanctifies You) El Olam (The Everlasting God) Elohim (God) Qanna (Jealous) Jehovah Jireh (The Lord Will Provide) Jehovah Shalom (The Lord Is Peace) Jehovah Sabaoth (The Lord of Hosts)  
    So one could reasonably conclude that Isaiah 43:10 “You are my witnesses,” declares Jehovah,
    “Yes, my servant whom I have chosen,

    Would apply to the nation of Israel back then that were part of the old covenant.  But in Isaiah 62:2 he speaks of his people having a new name. Acts 1:7,8 "He said to them: “It does not belong to you to know the times or seasons that the Father has placed in his own jurisdiction. 8 But you will receive power when the holy spirit comes upon you, and you will be witnesses of me(Jesus) in Jerusalem, in all Ju·deʹa and Sa·marʹi·a, and to the most distant part of the earth.”
    Yes witnesses of Jesus!
    Wouldn't then that be "Christians" as Jesus followers were known of back then in Antioch - followers of Christ. 
    Remember Jesus came to fulfill the law and bring in a new covenant, "that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend..." and "there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must get saved."

    So it makes sense then that YHWH isn't in the Christian Greek Scriptures and his disciples never preached that name. Please re-read our promises in the scriptures.  Our hope is more wonderful than you think.  Our God is a wonderfully loving God.  We just need to worship him with spirit and truth! Christian regards
      Micah    
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    Micah Ong reacted to Bible Speaks in "Pleasant sayings are a honeycomb, Sweet to the soul and a healing to the bones." ?   
    24 "Pleasant sayings are a honeycomb,Sweet to the soul and a healing to the bones." (Proverbs 16:24) NWT
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    Illustrative Use. The curative properties of honey are compared to pleasant sayings and wisdom, not only because of its sweetness and fine taste but also because of its health-giving qualities. 
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    Pleasant sayings are healthful spiritually, just as honey is good for the physical body. The writer of Proverbs says: “Pleasant sayings are a honeycomb, sweet to the soul and a healing to the bones.”—Pr 16:24; 24:13, 14.
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    The sweetness and enjoyment of eating honey is applied illustratively throughout the Scriptures. Examples are found at Ezekiel 3:2, 3 and Revelation 10:9. 
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    Comb honey is often mentioned, for it is considered superior in flavor, sweetness, and richness to honey that has been exposed to the air for a time. 
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    Emphasizing the goodness and pleasantness of the words spoken by the Shulammite girl, her shepherd lover speaks of them as “comb honey” that keeps dripping from her lips. (Ca 4:11) 
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    Jehovah’s judicial decisions are so fine, healthful, and beneficial that they are even “sweeter than honey and the flowing honey of the combs.” (Ps 19:9, 10) 
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    His sayings are ‘smoother to the palate than honey to the mouth.’—Ps 119:103.
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    While honey is good, overeating of it can cause nausea (Pr 25:16), and this eating of too much honey is compared to people seeking out their own glory.—Pr 25:27.
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    Proverbs chapter 5 uses the sweetness of comb honey to illustrate the temptation to sexual immorality that the “strange woman” can bring to bear by her appeal to a man with her use of charm and smooth words. 
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    It constitutes a fine warning to Christians today. “As a honeycomb the lips of a strange woman keep dripping, and her palate is smoother than oil. But the aftereffect from her is as bitter as wormwood; it is as sharp as a two-edged sword. Her feet are descending to death,” says the wise man. Her smooth, honeylike words and actions lead the man right up to the immoral act so that “all of a sudden he is going after her, like a bull that comes even to the slaughter.”—Pr 5:3-5;7:21, 22.
    https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200002064

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