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    Jack Ryan got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in If Jehovah's will doesn't change and Adam and Eve were monogamous like we are supposed to be today, why was Jehovah fine with Solomon (and others) being polygamous?   
    If It is really painted in a negative light he would never allow one of his kings to ignore his will and receive many blessings...
    "Wives and concubines" is a pseudonym for sex slaves.
    Just like he "tolerated" slavery.
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    Jack Ryan got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Beth-Sarim - "House of Princes"   
    Despite failures in predicting the outcomes of 1914 and 1925, Rutherford continued insisting that the earthly resurrection was about to happen. In 1929, he pushed for the purchase of Beth-Sarim, a house for Abraham, Daniel and other resurrected Biblical Princes to live in once resurrected.
    Concerning Beth-Sarim, the book Salvation explains:
    "At San Diego, California, there is a small piece of land, on which, in the year 1929, there was built a house, which is called and known as Beth-Sarim. The Hebrew words Beth Sarim mean "House of the Princes"; and the purpose of acquiring that property and building the house was that there might be some tangible proof that there are those on earth today who fully believe God and Christ Jesus and in His kingdom, and who believe that the faithful men of old will soon be resurrected by the Lord, be back on earth, and take charge of the visible affairs of earth. The title to Beth-Sarim is vested in the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society in trust, to be used by the president of the Society and his assistants for the present, and thereafter to be forever at the disposal of the aforementioned princes on earth. . . . while the unbelievers have mocked concerning it and spoken contemptuously of it, yet it stands there as a testimony to Jehovah's name; and if and when the princes do return and some of them occupy the property, such will be a confirmation of the faith and hope that induced the building of Beth-Sarim." Salvation (1939) p.311

    The Golden Age 1930 included a copy of the Beth-Sarim deed, showing who was expected to take possession of it.
    Watchtower's history book, Jehovah's Witnesses - Proclaimers of God's Kingdom, briefly discusses Beth-Sarim, where it is also made to appear to have been purchased predominantly for the health of Rutherford.
    These descriptions may not be far from the truth. Rutherford summered in Europe and wintered at Beth-Sarim. During the Great Depression he owned two luxury Cadillac's. Whilst it is possible Rutherford believed his own teaching that the end was going to arrive in his life time, the purchase of Beth-Sarim was as much for his own benefit as that of the resurrected princes.

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    Jack Ryan got a reaction from James Thomas Rook Jr. in Joseph Franklin Rutherford (aka "Judge Rutherford")   
    After Russell died, people's reverence for him grew. The Finished Mystery said that he was the "Laodicean Messenger," the angel to the congregation of Laodicea in Revelation 3. The book said each church messenger or angel was someone god sent to bring a message to the church in a particular time period. I think John was on the list, as was Wycliff and Martin Luther.
    Basically, he was being elevated. There was an advertisement in a WT from like 1916 or 1917 for people to get pictures of Russell to hang in their homes or in the buildings in which they met to worship.
    Some brothers tried to mimic his dress and style, trying to act reserved and genteel. Their clothes were somber and in muted colors.
    The org calls this creature worship.
    So Rutherford wrote an article in like 23 called "character or covenant- which?" Basically criticizing this stuff as being creature worship and that it was an outward show of piety, rather than being active in the newly pushed ministry under an appointed service director.
    Rutherford was a dick and want to redirect all attention to himself. So beginning in 1919 (with both the Golden Age and the Harp of God) he began to "write" (likely Franz did most of it) books to replace the studies in the scriptures. These were the rainbow series (for all the colors each book came in. Not because it was LGBTQ friendly 😉). Bit by bit, he had every vestige of attention that had been directed toward Russell directed toward him as the head of the organization. Interestingly enough, by 1930 a sizable amount of Russell's followers had left the organization, including one of the men who went to jail with Rutherford in 1918. The org had changed too much for them.
    It was likely at this time that the cultural ban on beards began.
    Who was the prison buddy who left?
    So I knew it was Fisher from when I did research in this maybe 8 years ago. In searching for my source, I found this.
    The source is The Herald magazine, which I believe was publisher by the Bible Students. For the most part, it seems fairly accurate.
    Fisher urged German congregations to disfellowship Rutherford in 1926. Date is interesting because in 1925, The Birth of the Kingdom article was published, completely rejecting Russell's view of Revelation 12 (as compiled by Fisher and Woodworth in The Finished Mystery) that the woman was the Catholic church and the child was the Pope's peace plan. The article said it was the kingdom and moved its birth from 1874 to 1914. (My opinion is this was a Franz article, beginning his role as the oracle.) Given Fisher cowrote the book, it seems likely he took issue with all these new changes.
    It seems that Robison also left the Watchtower though I don't know the circumstances.
    Woodworth stayed on as editor of the Golden Age (with its quackery and psuedoscience.)
    All the other stuff I have the references to as well, if you'd like. I extracted all those articles I referred to (16, 23) from digital copies of the volumes. Had spent a few weeks going through the volumes from 79 to 49 and found them (and other gems.)
    The character or covenant mimicry of Russell is mentioned in the JV book. The replacing of Russell era books and teachings is STILL THE LATEST understanding of the 1335 days of the last verse in Daniel 12. That era (22-26) was evidently important enough to have been foretold 2500 years ago 🙄🤮 The Daniel book gives a brief outline of that explanation. and hasn't been replaced with any "new light".
    Rutherford was a colossal dick and wanted to erase Russell from the picture. In that context, the beard thing makes sense.
    - Sigh2Sigh
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    Jack Ryan got a reaction from 4Jah2me in The Watchtower and the Colored people   
    True but not any of my ancestors claimed to be the “faithful and discreet slave personally “ and God’s mouthpiece to the congregation of God’s true followers.
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    Jack Ryan got a reaction from 4Jah2me in The Watchtower and the Colored people   
    For your reading pleasure this fine Tuesday afternoon. Today’s Watchtower articles come from the pen of our former and only loving Pastor, Charles Taze Russell and one quote from the 1932 Year Book of Jehovah’s Witnesses. Let’s dig into this spiritual food that flowed from God’s mouthpiece to our tables.
    The Watchtower April 15th, 1900 p 122;
    “There are probably as many as a hundred colored brethren on the Watch Tower lists, some of them very clear in the truth, and very earnest in its service, financially and other-wise .. [but they are not allowed to participate in the "pioneer work" as] although we have received letters from several of these, who had intended engaging in the volunteer work, expressing surprise that in the call for volunteers in the March 1, 1900 issue we restricted the inquiry to white Protestant churches. .. The reason is that so far as we are able to judge, colored people have less education than whites - many of them quite insufficient to permit them to profit by such reading as we have to give forth. Our conclusion therefore is based upon the supposition that reading matter distributed to a colored congregation would more than half of it be utterly wasted, and a very small percentage indeed likely to yield good results. We advise, therefore, that where the Watch Tower literature is introduced to colored people it be not by promiscuous circulation, but only to those who give evidence of some ear for the truth. We avoid, so far as possible, putting the pearls of present truth into the hands of the vicious and depraved ..”
    The Watchtower July 15th, 1902 p216;
    “The Negro Not a Beast .. that Ham's characteristics which had led him to unseemly conduct disrespectful to his father, would be found cropping out later, inherited by his son, and prophetically he foretold that this degeneracy would mark the posterity of Canaan, degrading him, making him servile. We are not able to determine to a certainty that the sons of Ham and Canaan are negroes; but we consider that general view as probable as any other.. We are not to forget, either, that Africa is inhabited by various tribes or nations of negroes - some more and some less degraded than the average.. While it is true that the white race exhibits some qualities of superiority over any other, we are to remember that there are wide differences in the same Caucasian (Semitic and Aryan) family.. The secret of the greater intelligence and aptitude of the Caucasian undoubtedly in great measure is to be attributed to the commingling of blood amongst its various branches; and this was evidently forced in large measure by circumstances under divine control. It remains to be proven that the similar commingling of the various tribes of Chinese for several centuries would not equally brighten their intellects; and the same with the peoples of India and Africa.”
    The Watchtower April 1st, 1908 p99
    “The negro and Latin races will probably always be inclined to superstition.”
    Year Book 1932, pp 63-64
    Colored Branch
    When our colored brethren were made a separate branch there was considerable objection on the part of some, these have the thought that the Colored or Negro race was being pushed aside. This was not the case, however. It was thought best for the Colored brethren to work amongst their own people, and the results show that this conclusion was correct.
    This concludes our racist study course for today.
    Golden Age 1920-'Agriculture and Husbandry'
    This was an old article speaking against the dangers of crossbreeding crops and the unusable 'hybrids' that resulted. Then added: "Even in the case of the human family, if the father and mother are of different races the children are sometimes unfit for brain work. Wonderful are the fixed laws of God."
    I think there were writers of the literature that held views with varying levels of racism. There were articles (c.1914) that spoke about how great it was that the 'colored friends' wanted to watch the Photodrama of Creation (oh, but so as not to offend the white attendees, lets segregate them to the balcony.)
    And... Watchtower 1952. "Really, our colored brothers have great cause for rejoicing. Their race is meek and teachable, and from it comes a high percentage of the theocratic increase. What if the worldly wise and powerful and noble look down on them as foolish and weak and ignoble, not on an equality with self-exalted whites? It is to God’s ultimate honor, for he confounds the wise of this world by choosing those the world considers foolish and weak and ignoble. Let us boast in Jehovah and in our equality in his sight, rather than wanting to boast in equality in the world’s sight."
    Then... Awake! 1953 Oct 8 p.6
    "South Africa's whole color policy is conditioned by this fact and this fear: 80 per cent of her population is black; if the color bar is breached, what new dike can stop a black flood from overflowing and destroying the civilisation with which white man have displaced the wilderness?"
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    Jack Ryan got a reaction from 4Jah2me in “Dad I’m not in any rush. Jesus was 29 when he got baptized”   
    @Arauna  So you are saying God's standards on child baptism have changed?
    Because if OUR standards as humans have obviously changed then that means that we weren't or aren't following God's will at some point. Correct?
    One could always make the argument like Watchtower always has that we should follow how things were done back in the first century Christian congregation. = Jesus set the example = Men should be baptized at the age of Jesus.
     
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    Jack Ryan got a reaction from 4Jah2me in “Dad I’m not in any rush. Jesus was 29 when he got baptized”   
    So at family worship my PIMI husband was talking about baptism with my son. He asked him when he would like to get baptized and my son said “Dad I’m not in any rush. Jesus was 29 when he got baptized”.
    I did not coach him or teach him this. I was just so thrilled that he is thinking more for himself and using logic.
    Also, what the hell was Jesus doing from age 10-30 before his ministry anyways?
    But dont think about Jesus getting himself and his family financially secured for 10 years before spending 3 preaching... that is thinking that is not tolerated by the borg!
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    Jack Ryan got a reaction from Leander H. McNelly in The Watchtower and the Colored people   
    For your reading pleasure this fine Tuesday afternoon. Today’s Watchtower articles come from the pen of our former and only loving Pastor, Charles Taze Russell and one quote from the 1932 Year Book of Jehovah’s Witnesses. Let’s dig into this spiritual food that flowed from God’s mouthpiece to our tables.
    The Watchtower April 15th, 1900 p 122;
    “There are probably as many as a hundred colored brethren on the Watch Tower lists, some of them very clear in the truth, and very earnest in its service, financially and other-wise .. [but they are not allowed to participate in the "pioneer work" as] although we have received letters from several of these, who had intended engaging in the volunteer work, expressing surprise that in the call for volunteers in the March 1, 1900 issue we restricted the inquiry to white Protestant churches. .. The reason is that so far as we are able to judge, colored people have less education than whites - many of them quite insufficient to permit them to profit by such reading as we have to give forth. Our conclusion therefore is based upon the supposition that reading matter distributed to a colored congregation would more than half of it be utterly wasted, and a very small percentage indeed likely to yield good results. We advise, therefore, that where the Watch Tower literature is introduced to colored people it be not by promiscuous circulation, but only to those who give evidence of some ear for the truth. We avoid, so far as possible, putting the pearls of present truth into the hands of the vicious and depraved ..”
    The Watchtower July 15th, 1902 p216;
    “The Negro Not a Beast .. that Ham's characteristics which had led him to unseemly conduct disrespectful to his father, would be found cropping out later, inherited by his son, and prophetically he foretold that this degeneracy would mark the posterity of Canaan, degrading him, making him servile. We are not able to determine to a certainty that the sons of Ham and Canaan are negroes; but we consider that general view as probable as any other.. We are not to forget, either, that Africa is inhabited by various tribes or nations of negroes - some more and some less degraded than the average.. While it is true that the white race exhibits some qualities of superiority over any other, we are to remember that there are wide differences in the same Caucasian (Semitic and Aryan) family.. The secret of the greater intelligence and aptitude of the Caucasian undoubtedly in great measure is to be attributed to the commingling of blood amongst its various branches; and this was evidently forced in large measure by circumstances under divine control. It remains to be proven that the similar commingling of the various tribes of Chinese for several centuries would not equally brighten their intellects; and the same with the peoples of India and Africa.”
    The Watchtower April 1st, 1908 p99
    “The negro and Latin races will probably always be inclined to superstition.”
    Year Book 1932, pp 63-64
    Colored Branch
    When our colored brethren were made a separate branch there was considerable objection on the part of some, these have the thought that the Colored or Negro race was being pushed aside. This was not the case, however. It was thought best for the Colored brethren to work amongst their own people, and the results show that this conclusion was correct.
    This concludes our racist study course for today.
    Golden Age 1920-'Agriculture and Husbandry'
    This was an old article speaking against the dangers of crossbreeding crops and the unusable 'hybrids' that resulted. Then added: "Even in the case of the human family, if the father and mother are of different races the children are sometimes unfit for brain work. Wonderful are the fixed laws of God."
    I think there were writers of the literature that held views with varying levels of racism. There were articles (c.1914) that spoke about how great it was that the 'colored friends' wanted to watch the Photodrama of Creation (oh, but so as not to offend the white attendees, lets segregate them to the balcony.)
    And... Watchtower 1952. "Really, our colored brothers have great cause for rejoicing. Their race is meek and teachable, and from it comes a high percentage of the theocratic increase. What if the worldly wise and powerful and noble look down on them as foolish and weak and ignoble, not on an equality with self-exalted whites? It is to God’s ultimate honor, for he confounds the wise of this world by choosing those the world considers foolish and weak and ignoble. Let us boast in Jehovah and in our equality in his sight, rather than wanting to boast in equality in the world’s sight."
    Then... Awake! 1953 Oct 8 p.6
    "South Africa's whole color policy is conditioned by this fact and this fear: 80 per cent of her population is black; if the color bar is breached, what new dike can stop a black flood from overflowing and destroying the civilisation with which white man have displaced the wilderness?"
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    Jack Ryan got a reaction from James Thomas Rook Jr. in 607 B.C.E. - Is it Biblically Supported?   
    Just sayin'

    interesting isn't it?
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    Jack Ryan got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in 607 B.C.E. - Is it Biblically Supported?   
    Just sayin'

    interesting isn't it?
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    Jack Ryan got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in “Dad I’m not in any rush. Jesus was 29 when he got baptized”   
    @Arauna  So you are saying God's standards on child baptism have changed?
    Because if OUR standards as humans have obviously changed then that means that we weren't or aren't following God's will at some point. Correct?
    One could always make the argument like Watchtower always has that we should follow how things were done back in the first century Christian congregation. = Jesus set the example = Men should be baptized at the age of Jesus.
     
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    Jack Ryan got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in “Dad I’m not in any rush. Jesus was 29 when he got baptized”   
    So at family worship my PIMI husband was talking about baptism with my son. He asked him when he would like to get baptized and my son said “Dad I’m not in any rush. Jesus was 29 when he got baptized”.
    I did not coach him or teach him this. I was just so thrilled that he is thinking more for himself and using logic.
    Also, what the hell was Jesus doing from age 10-30 before his ministry anyways?
    But dont think about Jesus getting himself and his family financially secured for 10 years before spending 3 preaching... that is thinking that is not tolerated by the borg!
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    Jack Ryan reacted to The Librarian in The Watchtower and the Colored people   
    Obviously God did not inspire those paragraphs. They read very badly in 2019.
    Nevertheless, you shouldn't judge dead people by the morals of today. You probably have an ancestor that believed something similar yourself.
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    Jack Ryan got a reaction from Matthew9969 in “Dad I’m not in any rush. Jesus was 29 when he got baptized”   
    So at family worship my PIMI husband was talking about baptism with my son. He asked him when he would like to get baptized and my son said “Dad I’m not in any rush. Jesus was 29 when he got baptized”.
    I did not coach him or teach him this. I was just so thrilled that he is thinking more for himself and using logic.
    Also, what the hell was Jesus doing from age 10-30 before his ministry anyways?
    But dont think about Jesus getting himself and his family financially secured for 10 years before spending 3 preaching... that is thinking that is not tolerated by the borg!
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    Jack Ryan got a reaction from Leander H. McNelly in Information Control: JWs form a barricade at JW Melbourne protest to keep rank and file JW's from seeing "apostate" signs   
    Avoiding time on the internet, or the worldly coworkers... now its fully evident that what they are saying is “avoid thinking styles that are contrary to what we teach”. Makes me want to puke.
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    Jack Ryan got a reaction from Leander H. McNelly in Information Control: JWs form a barricade at JW Melbourne protest to keep rank and file JW's from seeing "apostate" signs   
    Yes. Let's draw a huge amount of attention to that which we don't want you to pay attention to. And let's do it in the most creepy, culty, and weird way as possible, because we can't take criticism and we just don't know how to handle it.
    Like the old saying goes... If your beliefs can't stand up to scrutiny, then scrutiny isn't the problem. This barricade makes it crystal clear, loud and clear, that their beliefs can't stand up to scrutiny.
    Imagine doing this same thing to them at their cart witnessing and how they would feel?
    They would call us inspired by the devil, mentally diseased etc.....
    Video of this kind of behavior could be interesting to governments that offer tax breaks, etc.
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    Jack Ryan got a reaction from Shiwiii in Information Control: JWs form a barricade at JW Melbourne protest to keep rank and file JW's from seeing "apostate" signs   
    Yes. Let's draw a huge amount of attention to that which we don't want you to pay attention to. And let's do it in the most creepy, culty, and weird way as possible, because we can't take criticism and we just don't know how to handle it.
    Like the old saying goes... If your beliefs can't stand up to scrutiny, then scrutiny isn't the problem. This barricade makes it crystal clear, loud and clear, that their beliefs can't stand up to scrutiny.
    Imagine doing this same thing to them at their cart witnessing and how they would feel?
    They would call us inspired by the devil, mentally diseased etc.....
    Video of this kind of behavior could be interesting to governments that offer tax breaks, etc.
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    Jack Ryan got a reaction from 4Jah2me in Jehovah's Witnesses in one Infographic   
    Any questions?
    JW 'Niceberg' is what I heard it called.... LOL
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    Jack Ryan got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Information Control: JWs form a barricade at JW Melbourne protest to keep rank and file JW's from seeing "apostate" signs   
    Yes. Let's draw a huge amount of attention to that which we don't want you to pay attention to. And let's do it in the most creepy, culty, and weird way as possible, because we can't take criticism and we just don't know how to handle it.
    Like the old saying goes... If your beliefs can't stand up to scrutiny, then scrutiny isn't the problem. This barricade makes it crystal clear, loud and clear, that their beliefs can't stand up to scrutiny.
    Imagine doing this same thing to them at their cart witnessing and how they would feel?
    They would call us inspired by the devil, mentally diseased etc.....
    Video of this kind of behavior could be interesting to governments that offer tax breaks, etc.
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    Jack Ryan got a reaction from James Thomas Rook Jr. in Is JW.org openly inviting dissent?   
    Never would we want to be like the Pharisees, who resented those who questioned them and persecuted those who expressed an opinion contrary to their own.—Mark 3:1-6; John 9:29-34.
    - Watchtower September 2019
     
     
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    Jack Ryan got a reaction from 4Jah2me in Is JW.org openly inviting dissent?   
    Never would we want to be like the Pharisees, who resented those who questioned them and persecuted those who expressed an opinion contrary to their own.—Mark 3:1-6; John 9:29-34.
    - Watchtower September 2019
     
     
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    Jack Ryan got a reaction from JW Insider in Is JW.org openly inviting dissent?   
    Never would we want to be like the Pharisees, who resented those who questioned them and persecuted those who expressed an opinion contrary to their own.—Mark 3:1-6; John 9:29-34.
    - Watchtower September 2019
     
     
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    Jack Ryan got a reaction from JJJ-AUSTRALIA in Is JW.org openly inviting dissent?   
    Never would we want to be like the Pharisees, who resented those who questioned them and persecuted those who expressed an opinion contrary to their own.—Mark 3:1-6; John 9:29-34.
    - Watchtower September 2019
     
     
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    Jack Ryan got a reaction from George J Strakey in The only effective way to deter Jehovah's Witnesses   
    $50 per minute paid upfront

    $50 per minute paid upfront - I like this idea exjw.mp4
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    Jack Ryan got a reaction from 4Jah2me in The only effective way to deter Jehovah's Witnesses   
    $50 per minute paid upfront

    $50 per minute paid upfront - I like this idea exjw.mp4
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