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    Jack Ryan got a reaction from Witness in Can an organisation be narcissistic?   
    Basic symptoms of Narcissistic disorder grabbed from google
    Grandiose sense of self-importance. ... Lives in a fantasy world that supports their delusions of grandeur. ... Needs constant praise and admiration. ... Sense of entitlement. ... Exploits others without guilt or shame. ... Frequently demeans, intimidates, bullies, or belittles others. Gets irate if someone leaves them suddenly. Accepts no responsibility, no accountability. Lies. Can be charismatic at times.  
    Yes, proof of this was at the 2019 "Love Never Fails" regional convention. The last talk on Sunday Geoffrey Jackson made the claim that WW2 was started because of Satan's desire to attack Jehovah's people in Germany. Keep in mind that nearly 50 million died during the war. 10 million Jews died in concentration camps. Less than 5000 JW's died from surrounding European counties, NOT ONLY GERMANY. Yes still the JW's find a way to make it about them. That, is the definition of a narcissist.
    Takes no real responsibility as an organization and puts all the burden on it's followers.
    If I got my facts wrong, it's your fault. If you can't accept my abuse at it's worst, you aren't worthy of my abuse at it's best
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    Jack Ryan got a reaction from James Thomas Rook Jr. in Can an organisation be narcissistic?   
    Basic symptoms of Narcissistic disorder grabbed from google
    Grandiose sense of self-importance. ... Lives in a fantasy world that supports their delusions of grandeur. ... Needs constant praise and admiration. ... Sense of entitlement. ... Exploits others without guilt or shame. ... Frequently demeans, intimidates, bullies, or belittles others. Gets irate if someone leaves them suddenly. Accepts no responsibility, no accountability. Lies. Can be charismatic at times.  
    Yes, proof of this was at the 2019 "Love Never Fails" regional convention. The last talk on Sunday Geoffrey Jackson made the claim that WW2 was started because of Satan's desire to attack Jehovah's people in Germany. Keep in mind that nearly 50 million died during the war. 10 million Jews died in concentration camps. Less than 5000 JW's died from surrounding European counties, NOT ONLY GERMANY. Yes still the JW's find a way to make it about them. That, is the definition of a narcissist.
    Takes no real responsibility as an organization and puts all the burden on it's followers.
    If I got my facts wrong, it's your fault. If you can't accept my abuse at it's worst, you aren't worthy of my abuse at it's best
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    Jack Ryan got a reaction from James Thomas Rook Jr. in "I prayed to Jehovah and he helped me get a new car so I could full-time pioneer!!!"   
    The worst 'answered prayer' story i have heard, is about a couple. They did well for themselves, husband worked hard and made a bit of money. Wife pioneered and what-not. They have some money invested here and there, but decide to take most of their money form the various investments and put it all in to a hotel somewhere in the Caribbeans.
    They spend years planning, and building a resort on one of the beaches, but of cause the husband is away for months on end, the marriage is strained, wife spirituality is dropping, husband's non existed. When the husband is home, he out drinking and making dealings because it costing more and more.
    CO pays them a visit, and they agree that they need to make a change. So later that night they pray, "jehovah, help us out here, do we finish the resort and sell it? Do we get out now and cut our loses? please help us?"
    The words of that brother telling me this where, "at that exact moment, a hurricane changed direction", it wasn't going to make land fall. But at that moment they prayed it changed course and head straight to they resort and destroyed it.
    Yes, that was their answer to their prayer. God sent a hurricane to show them that they must leave the resort. Never-mind the lives lost because of it making landfall, or the damaged it caused. It was the answer god sent. Even as a PIMI it didn't sit right with me. However, they did make great changes to their lives, i believe he even become a elder.
    I still can't believe that they thought god would answer a prayer in that way.
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    Jack Ryan got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in JW’s are now allowed to have beards and publicly preach....   
    Not so fast Mr. Librarian!
    Sept.2019 JW broadcast propaganda makes it clear: JW’s don’t want new recruits with beards.
    Last April of 2018 I made an observational post about a reoccurring drama we were seeing be played out on JW Broadcasting. It was a series of videos regarding a devout JW wife and her non-witness husband named Thomas. Throughout this series over the last year, every time we have seen Thomas, he has sported some kind of neatly trimmed facial hair.
    I ended my observations by asking the following questions:
    “Since WT gets to control this narrative, it will be interesting to see what happens with Thomas. Will he finally accept a bible study, make progress to baptism and most importantly...will he sacrifice his personal freedom and style to be part of a cult? The real question is, will WT let him keep his proven affinity for a "neatly trimmed beard”?”
    Over a year later, we finally get our answers to those questions. In WT’s most recent narrative, Thomas finally accepts a bible study and when we see him at his first meeting … he ONLY has a mustache, a style option we have not seen him make in any of the previous videos. In this staged scene, Thomas is surrounded by seven clean shaven male congregants. The message is clear, he is conforming and therefore acceptable.
    Despite WT putting in print that in some cultures beards are acceptable, respectable and that even some appointed brothers have beards, they have yet to show this in any of their written or video propaganda. What are the chances in a culture where beards are obviously acceptable, that Thomas would have thought to shave his before going to the KH?
    Clearly WT still has a bias against men fashioning beards and spend more time alerting their susceptible followers to be weary of men that are not follically approved, rather than child sexual abusers that look the part!
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    Jack Ryan got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Religious Freedom Subcommittee of European Association of Jehovah's Witnesses   
    Since Jehovah's Witnesses seem to have made it a recurring event to attend the human rights conferences of the OCSE, I checked the OCSE website if they did so again this year.
    I found something else that I haven't heard of before:

    The European Association of Jehovah's Witnesses,
    Religious Freedom Subcommittee
     
    Based in UK and/or Belgium this Jehovah's Witnesses' committee submits statements and document to the OCSE, the UN, and others.The submissions are all about protecting the human rights, freedom of religion, and assets of Jehovah's Witnesses.
    It is unclear whether any official representation of Jehovah's Witnesses actually attended in person some of the meetings and conferences for which submissions or statements were submitted. They have done so in the past for OCSE conferences.
    A few of the documents submitted by Religious Freedom Subcommittee of The European Association of Jehovah's Witnesses:
    Submission to the Comittee of Ministers of the Council of Europe (20-11-2017)
    https://rm.coe.int/native/090000168076c93a
    Statement for the OSCE Supplementary Human Dimension Meeting 1-2 April 2019, Vienna
    https://www.osce.org/odihr/415922
    https://www.osce.org/odihr/415919
    Submission to the UN Human Rights Committee (02-06-2019)
    https://tbinternet.ohchr.org/Treaties/CCPR/Shared%20Documents/GNQ/INT_CCPR_CSS_GNQ_35119_E.docx
    Contribution to the Report of the U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights (05-07-2018)
    https://www.upr-info.org/sites/default/files/document/eritrea/session_32_-_january_2019/eajcw_upr32_eri_e_coverpage.pdf
    Submission to the UN Human Rights Committee CCPR (29-04-2018)
    https://www.ecoi.net/en/file/local/1443712/1930_1537354367_int-ccpr-ico-eri-26085-e.doc
    Contribution for the 33rd session (6-17 May 2019) of the UPR Democratic Republic of Congo
    https://www.upr-info.org/sites/default/files/document/congo_democratic_republic/session_33_-_may_2019/eajw_upr33_cod_e_main_rev.pdf
    What is the UPR?
     
    For the record: I do not deny Jehovah's Witnesses the right to stand up for their interests, and demand from governments and international organizations that human rights are protected.
    But it's odd that they are so fiercely opposed to political involvement, yet petition governments and ministers on regular basis.
    It's very odd that Jehovah's Witnesses petition the United Nations to protect their religious freedoms, and at the same time they believe the UN to be the very entity that will attack all religions.
     
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    Jack Ryan got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Religious Freedom Subcommittee of European Association of Jehovah's Witnesses   
    Since Jehovah's Witnesses seem to have made it a recurring event to attend the human rights conferences of the OCSE, I checked the OCSE website if they did so again this year.
    I found something else that I haven't heard of before:

    The European Association of Jehovah's Witnesses,
    Religious Freedom Subcommittee
     
    Based in UK and/or Belgium this Jehovah's Witnesses' committee submits statements and document to the OCSE, the UN, and others.The submissions are all about protecting the human rights, freedom of religion, and assets of Jehovah's Witnesses.
    It is unclear whether any official representation of Jehovah's Witnesses actually attended in person some of the meetings and conferences for which submissions or statements were submitted. They have done so in the past for OCSE conferences.
    A few of the documents submitted by Religious Freedom Subcommittee of The European Association of Jehovah's Witnesses:
    Submission to the Comittee of Ministers of the Council of Europe (20-11-2017)
    https://rm.coe.int/native/090000168076c93a
    Statement for the OSCE Supplementary Human Dimension Meeting 1-2 April 2019, Vienna
    https://www.osce.org/odihr/415922
    https://www.osce.org/odihr/415919
    Submission to the UN Human Rights Committee (02-06-2019)
    https://tbinternet.ohchr.org/Treaties/CCPR/Shared%20Documents/GNQ/INT_CCPR_CSS_GNQ_35119_E.docx
    Contribution to the Report of the U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights (05-07-2018)
    https://www.upr-info.org/sites/default/files/document/eritrea/session_32_-_january_2019/eajcw_upr32_eri_e_coverpage.pdf
    Submission to the UN Human Rights Committee CCPR (29-04-2018)
    https://www.ecoi.net/en/file/local/1443712/1930_1537354367_int-ccpr-ico-eri-26085-e.doc
    Contribution for the 33rd session (6-17 May 2019) of the UPR Democratic Republic of Congo
    https://www.upr-info.org/sites/default/files/document/congo_democratic_republic/session_33_-_may_2019/eajw_upr33_cod_e_main_rev.pdf
    What is the UPR?
     
    For the record: I do not deny Jehovah's Witnesses the right to stand up for their interests, and demand from governments and international organizations that human rights are protected.
    But it's odd that they are so fiercely opposed to political involvement, yet petition governments and ministers on regular basis.
    It's very odd that Jehovah's Witnesses petition the United Nations to protect their religious freedoms, and at the same time they believe the UN to be the very entity that will attack all religions.
     
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    Jack Ryan got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Why are women part of the 144,000?   
    Not being sexist.
    If the Governing Body want to interpret it so literally, it should only be virgin men according to revelation
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    Jack Ryan got a reaction from admin in 'We all are Brothers" - Hymn of the United Nations   
    International anthem of the United Nations
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    Jack Ryan got a reaction from Arauna in Watchtower Society attacks jw.help   
    This is almost certainly because the jw.help logo is a blatant ripoff of the “jw.org” trademark.

    I hate to say this, and I'm not a lawyer, but jw.help is gonna lose this one badly and should put up a completely different logo and beg forgiveness immediately. It's pretty clear jw.help is “diluting” jw.org by having an official-looking logo and serving as an alternate source of information about the org.
    Hopefully they get to keep the name. That's pretty sweet.
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    Jack Ryan got a reaction from Arauna in Watchtower Society attacks jw.help   
    Watchtower Society attacks jw.help
    The Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania has blocked our YouTube channel and our Instagram account for alleged trademark infringement. It is to be feared that further Internet appearances will be affected.
    We strongly disagree with this alleged trademark infringement. The brand jw.help is protected in Germany. Therefore, we will take legal action to defend jw.help.
    On the one hand, we are pleased that our work is even registered as far as the USA, as we mostly turn to a German audience. On the other hand, this approach also shows how Jehovah's Witnesses are trying by all means to eliminate critics and enlighteners.
    Please support us in our efforts to continue to educate Jehovah's Witnesses and other sects and to advise and assist their victims. Especially in the current situation, we depend on their donations.
    We would like to thank all those who already support us!
    http://jw.help/2019/08/29/watchtower-society-attackiert-jw-help/
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    Jack Ryan got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in IKEA removed the My Book Of Bible Stories from their online catalogue after an activism campaign   
    On Thursday someone posted a video of the new IKEA catalogue, the video was made by a JW and sent to an ExJW. They were really happy about Ikea using the ’My Book Of Bible Stories’ in their Swedish paper catalogue.  So a few of us took to Twitter to Tweet IKEA about why we had a problem with this.  I then emailed them an in-depth email with Watchtower links to the Child Sex Abuse and Domestic Violence articles. IKEA were very quick to respond to my email and have changed the book in the 5 catalogues I’ve seen online so far. I’m impressed by how they acted on this.  Due to JwOrg having corrupt and harmful policies i thought it was necessary IKEA knows about it.  I will add the e-mails and Tweets in this vid. IKEA’s reply was good.
     
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    Jack Ryan got a reaction from Arauna in Cart Crash of Jehovah's Witnesses in London   
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    Jack Ryan got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in C. T. Russell was labeled as an apostate by the Adventists in 1877   
    1877_Advent_Christian_Times_Barbour_Russell.pdf
    They stated that Russell
    was causing divisions in adventists circles
    that he was preaching a different gospel/doctrine to his church at that time
    subversion
    they try to 'belittle' him
    their own boast that they have not succeeded
    do NOT go near them (shunning) or give them any support (countenance)
    In essence the words used labels Russell as an 'apostate' to his current church at that time.
    BONUS: If you look at the header of the paper the symbol of the Advent Christian Times is suspiciously close to the one Russell "created" for the Bible Students (or not to say the same, but without the laurels at the sides).
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    Jack Ryan got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Watchtower Society attacks jw.help   
    This is almost certainly because the jw.help logo is a blatant ripoff of the “jw.org” trademark.

    I hate to say this, and I'm not a lawyer, but jw.help is gonna lose this one badly and should put up a completely different logo and beg forgiveness immediately. It's pretty clear jw.help is “diluting” jw.org by having an official-looking logo and serving as an alternate source of information about the org.
    Hopefully they get to keep the name. That's pretty sweet.
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    Jack Ryan got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in The Lost Founder and First President of the Jehovah Witnesses: William Henry Conley   
    William Henry Conley. Co-owner of the Riter Conley company that provided steel and manufactured goods during the second industrial revolution. The first president of “Zions Watchtower” which would later be replaced with Charles Taze Russell. Conley eventually didn’t want to be associated with Russell, he didn’t agree with his pyramid theories and thought his 1874 prediction of Armageddon was ludicrous. So he disassociated himself to care for his wife whom he felt was more important than Russell’s cult following at the time. Russell went on to use Conley's $11 million today equivalent to fund his exhibition, and then Conley went on to believe the organization only wanted him for his money which he went to his grave believing. Upon his death, all trace of his existence and founding of Zions Watchtower was erased. An announcement was not made in Zions Watchtower, Russell did refer to him as “an original Allegheny bible student” though. Russell once believed Conley to be anointed, but do to “succumbing to worldliness and falling out, may be given another chance to awake with the great crowd on an earthly resurrection as a man who was hardworking and loyal.” THAT'S all Russell had to say about the president, the first president and founding member. This information wasn’t found out until 45 years later.
    Even the @The Librarian mentioned him in his articles such as this one:


    Birth 11 Jun 1840 Death 25 Jul 1897 (aged 57) Pittsburgh, Allegheny County, Pennsylvania, USA Burial Highwood Cemetery • Pittsburgh, Allegheny County, Pennsylvania, USA Plot Section R Memorial ID 62936475 · View Source  
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    Jack Ryan got a reaction from BillyTheKid46 in Watchtower Society attacks jw.help   
    This is almost certainly because the jw.help logo is a blatant ripoff of the “jw.org” trademark.

    I hate to say this, and I'm not a lawyer, but jw.help is gonna lose this one badly and should put up a completely different logo and beg forgiveness immediately. It's pretty clear jw.help is “diluting” jw.org by having an official-looking logo and serving as an alternate source of information about the org.
    Hopefully they get to keep the name. That's pretty sweet.
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    Jack Ryan got a reaction from BillyTheKid46 in Watchtower Society attacks jw.help   
    Watchtower Society attacks jw.help
    The Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania has blocked our YouTube channel and our Instagram account for alleged trademark infringement. It is to be feared that further Internet appearances will be affected.
    We strongly disagree with this alleged trademark infringement. The brand jw.help is protected in Germany. Therefore, we will take legal action to defend jw.help.
    On the one hand, we are pleased that our work is even registered as far as the USA, as we mostly turn to a German audience. On the other hand, this approach also shows how Jehovah's Witnesses are trying by all means to eliminate critics and enlighteners.
    Please support us in our efforts to continue to educate Jehovah's Witnesses and other sects and to advise and assist their victims. Especially in the current situation, we depend on their donations.
    We would like to thank all those who already support us!
    http://jw.help/2019/08/29/watchtower-society-attackiert-jw-help/
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    Jack Ryan got a reaction from BillyTheKid46 in Cart Crash of Jehovah's Witnesses in London   
    Oh yeah, the LOVE is so evident.

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    Jack Ryan got a reaction from BillyTheKid46 in Cart Crash of Jehovah's Witnesses in London   
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    Jack Ryan got a reaction from BillyTheKid46 in The Lost Founder and First President of the Jehovah Witnesses: William Henry Conley   
    William Henry Conley. Co-owner of the Riter Conley company that provided steel and manufactured goods during the second industrial revolution. The first president of “Zions Watchtower” which would later be replaced with Charles Taze Russell. Conley eventually didn’t want to be associated with Russell, he didn’t agree with his pyramid theories and thought his 1874 prediction of Armageddon was ludicrous. So he disassociated himself to care for his wife whom he felt was more important than Russell’s cult following at the time. Russell went on to use Conley's $11 million today equivalent to fund his exhibition, and then Conley went on to believe the organization only wanted him for his money which he went to his grave believing. Upon his death, all trace of his existence and founding of Zions Watchtower was erased. An announcement was not made in Zions Watchtower, Russell did refer to him as “an original Allegheny bible student” though. Russell once believed Conley to be anointed, but do to “succumbing to worldliness and falling out, may be given another chance to awake with the great crowd on an earthly resurrection as a man who was hardworking and loyal.” THAT'S all Russell had to say about the president, the first president and founding member. This information wasn’t found out until 45 years later.
    Even the @The Librarian mentioned him in his articles such as this one:


    Birth 11 Jun 1840 Death 25 Jul 1897 (aged 57) Pittsburgh, Allegheny County, Pennsylvania, USA Burial Highwood Cemetery • Pittsburgh, Allegheny County, Pennsylvania, USA Plot Section R Memorial ID 62936475 · View Source  
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    Jack Ryan got a reaction from BillyTheKid46 in Disfellowshipping use to be 6 months- now it’s 1 year   
    In previous decades, when someone was disfellowshipped, they were told their time would be 6 months. Now it’s a full year?
    Why did that change from 6 mo to a year? and are they getting more ppl to come back with the increased time? With the less members staying in the org, you would think they want to lower the “jail time “
    Also are there any other religions that gives you months or years of time out, if you commit a sin, even if you actually want to come back?
    Also any former elders here? Why is there a standard set time for everyone? And why can they reject someone’s letter who wants to come back? Don’t they need more members ?
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    Jack Ryan got a reaction from Shiwiii in Misogyny and the Jehovah's Witnesses   
    JW.borg: lovingly and firmly restraining women from participating in liberation movements to fight for equality since the 1870s.
    Because we can’t have women getting all uppity and demanding equal rights! 🤦🏽‍♀️
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    Jack Ryan got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Oklahoma's KOCO TV 5 News had huge story on Jehovah's Witnesses Child Abuse Problem   
    It is heartbreaking to hear the woman who expects her family to reject her for speaking out. She is very brave.
    One thing, the video mentions a bill in the US Senate that would require clergy of all faiths to report child abuse. It appears that that bill is on hold due to lack of support. I am very disappointed that our country is choosing to protect institutions and abusers over children. https://sd13.senate.ca.gov/news/2019-07-09-senator-hill-places-senate-bill-360-hold
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    Jack Ryan got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Members of Parliament in Norway - from all parties - now wants to reconsider JW funding - read story   
    https://www.vl.no/nyhet/fjern-statsstotten-til-jehovas-vitner-1.1569015
    This story is out today!
    For context:
    https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/cn1oag/made_national_news_on_government_level_today_hit/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x
    https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/cnzy6z/massive_exposure_today_regarding_jw_and_the/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x
    https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/cpqji8/my_written_opinion_regarding_jwvoting_in_the/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x
    Google translate of today's development:
    -Remove the state aid for Jehovah's Witnesses
    MDG (Green Party) believes Prime Minister Kjell Ingolf Ropstad has only one choice: -Remove state aid from Jehovah's Witnesses. Ap (Labour Party) thinks he should have taken hold of the religious community a long time ago.
    Vårt Land revealed last week that members of Jehovah's Witnesses can be expelled from the faith community if they vote in elections. Kjell Ingolf Ropstad (KrF), who is in charge of the Solberg government's belief and life policy, went out saying that voting rights for Jehovah's Witnesses could be the basis for withdrawing state aid.
    At the Storting (parliament), the parties look differently at what reactions the religious community should meet with.
    The clearest
    MDG says it clear. The party believes the practice revealed must have serious consequences for Jehovah's Witnesses, spokesman Arild Hermstad said.
    «Should Ropstad Withdraw State Aid When Religious Communities Urge Members Not to Participate in Democratic Elections?»
    -«Yes. It is not acceptable for religious communities to put pressure, ban, or punish those who choose to vote. It is an obvious violation of human rights and a violation of Norwegian law. If they do not change practices, we believe they should not receive state aid,» says Hermstad.
    The point of view is far supported by Rødt («Red»). Vice President Silje Kjosbakken says they "are looking into the possibility of depriving Jehovah's Witnesses support":
    -«We will not ban religious communities that ask members not to exercise their voting rights, but we see no reason to give them public support either.»
    Boundaries
    Kari Henriksen in the Labour Party believes that Ropstad as Minister of Religion should have addressed this earlier.
    «I'm a little surprised that Ropstad didn't know about the practice of Jehovah's Witnesses. It is known that they will not vote, but perhaps less well known what the consequences it will have for members who choose to vote,» says Henriksen, who is a member of the the cultural and family committee in the parliament.
    «Ropstad should be invited to dialogue with Jehovah's Witnesses before threatening to deprive the state aid,» says Henriksen.
    She believes that state aid should be an active tool for engaging in dialogue with closed faith communities.
    «Today, the state would rather report after the aid has been distributed. Now that this has happened, Ropstad should have invited Jehovah's Witnesses to dialogue, stating clearly where the boundaries of the larger community are going.»
    Surprised
    SV's Freddy Øvstegård sits on the same committee as Henriksen.
    «When I was younger, I knew several Jehovah's Witnesses who were politically interested but had to hide this. Therefore, they were secret members of youth parties. This was talked about in the Christian environment, so I'm quite surprised that the reactions from Ropstad are only coming now,» says Øvstegård.
    He believes that Jehovah's Witnesses are not alone in having a problematic religious practice.
    -«We have to be consistent in the treatment of human rights violations in several faiths. Norway must become better at cracking down on all forms of social control across religious groups.»
    «Do you think it was right for Ropstad to threaten to wothdraw the state aid?»
    «Yes, certainly given that they deny their members the right to vote. This is serious, and it is only now that we see this kind of abuse so clearly.»
    The Center Party (SP) spokeswoman - and member of the same committee, Åslaug Sem-Jacobsen, says that the party "has noted that the Minister of Religion is now addressing the matter and will discuss it with the concerned county people":
    «We hope it does not take too long and will listen to the government's assessments as they come.»
    Reactions
    The ruling parties are careful to comment on the possibility of state aid cuts for Jehovah's Witnesses. But KrF's parliamentary representative Jorunn Gleditsch Lossius says she "responds":
    «If it is true that members of Jehovah's Witnesses can be excluded and excluded if they use the right to vote, I react strongly to this.»
    «Should state aid be withdrawn when religious communities urge members not to participate in democratic elections?»
    «The prime minister has now asked the individual county council to assess whether there have been violations of democratic rights and principles. And there will always be a delicate balance towards upholding freedom of belief.»
    Basic
    Kristin Ørmen Johnsen (H), chair of the Storting's Family and Cultural Committee, has one comment:
    «It is a fundamental right to be able to vote in elections, and it is unacceptable if someone is prevented from using their right to vote.»
    Left-wing faith and life-spokesperson Grunde Almeland says voting "one of the most fundamental rights of Norwegian citizens":
    «If authorities threaten individuals using this fundamental right with sanctions, it is, as I feel it, an abuse of power.»
    Undermines
    The Progressive Party (FrP), as the only government party, is clear that they do not want to distribute state aid to any religious community.
    «I think the matter gets extra serious when religion is used as an anti-democratic press», says Frps representative in the Family and Culture Committee, Morten Wold, and add:
    «Faith is a private matter. Once we have public support for communities of faith and beliefs, it is absolutely essential that they do not undermine democracy and violate fundamental human rights.»
    Picture in article. Photo: Xueqi Pang - the journalist.

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