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    Jack Ryan got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Members of Parliament in Norway - from all parties - now wants to reconsider JW funding - read story   
    https://www.vl.no/nyhet/fjern-statsstotten-til-jehovas-vitner-1.1569015
    This story is out today!
    For context:
    https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/cn1oag/made_national_news_on_government_level_today_hit/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x
    https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/cnzy6z/massive_exposure_today_regarding_jw_and_the/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x
    https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/cpqji8/my_written_opinion_regarding_jwvoting_in_the/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x
    Google translate of today's development:
    -Remove the state aid for Jehovah's Witnesses
    MDG (Green Party) believes Prime Minister Kjell Ingolf Ropstad has only one choice: -Remove state aid from Jehovah's Witnesses. Ap (Labour Party) thinks he should have taken hold of the religious community a long time ago.
    Vårt Land revealed last week that members of Jehovah's Witnesses can be expelled from the faith community if they vote in elections. Kjell Ingolf Ropstad (KrF), who is in charge of the Solberg government's belief and life policy, went out saying that voting rights for Jehovah's Witnesses could be the basis for withdrawing state aid.
    At the Storting (parliament), the parties look differently at what reactions the religious community should meet with.
    The clearest
    MDG says it clear. The party believes the practice revealed must have serious consequences for Jehovah's Witnesses, spokesman Arild Hermstad said.
    «Should Ropstad Withdraw State Aid When Religious Communities Urge Members Not to Participate in Democratic Elections?»
    -«Yes. It is not acceptable for religious communities to put pressure, ban, or punish those who choose to vote. It is an obvious violation of human rights and a violation of Norwegian law. If they do not change practices, we believe they should not receive state aid,» says Hermstad.
    The point of view is far supported by Rødt («Red»). Vice President Silje Kjosbakken says they "are looking into the possibility of depriving Jehovah's Witnesses support":
    -«We will not ban religious communities that ask members not to exercise their voting rights, but we see no reason to give them public support either.»
    Boundaries
    Kari Henriksen in the Labour Party believes that Ropstad as Minister of Religion should have addressed this earlier.
    «I'm a little surprised that Ropstad didn't know about the practice of Jehovah's Witnesses. It is known that they will not vote, but perhaps less well known what the consequences it will have for members who choose to vote,» says Henriksen, who is a member of the the cultural and family committee in the parliament.
    «Ropstad should be invited to dialogue with Jehovah's Witnesses before threatening to deprive the state aid,» says Henriksen.
    She believes that state aid should be an active tool for engaging in dialogue with closed faith communities.
    «Today, the state would rather report after the aid has been distributed. Now that this has happened, Ropstad should have invited Jehovah's Witnesses to dialogue, stating clearly where the boundaries of the larger community are going.»
    Surprised
    SV's Freddy Øvstegård sits on the same committee as Henriksen.
    «When I was younger, I knew several Jehovah's Witnesses who were politically interested but had to hide this. Therefore, they were secret members of youth parties. This was talked about in the Christian environment, so I'm quite surprised that the reactions from Ropstad are only coming now,» says Øvstegård.
    He believes that Jehovah's Witnesses are not alone in having a problematic religious practice.
    -«We have to be consistent in the treatment of human rights violations in several faiths. Norway must become better at cracking down on all forms of social control across religious groups.»
    «Do you think it was right for Ropstad to threaten to wothdraw the state aid?»
    «Yes, certainly given that they deny their members the right to vote. This is serious, and it is only now that we see this kind of abuse so clearly.»
    The Center Party (SP) spokeswoman - and member of the same committee, Åslaug Sem-Jacobsen, says that the party "has noted that the Minister of Religion is now addressing the matter and will discuss it with the concerned county people":
    «We hope it does not take too long and will listen to the government's assessments as they come.»
    Reactions
    The ruling parties are careful to comment on the possibility of state aid cuts for Jehovah's Witnesses. But KrF's parliamentary representative Jorunn Gleditsch Lossius says she "responds":
    «If it is true that members of Jehovah's Witnesses can be excluded and excluded if they use the right to vote, I react strongly to this.»
    «Should state aid be withdrawn when religious communities urge members not to participate in democratic elections?»
    «The prime minister has now asked the individual county council to assess whether there have been violations of democratic rights and principles. And there will always be a delicate balance towards upholding freedom of belief.»
    Basic
    Kristin Ørmen Johnsen (H), chair of the Storting's Family and Cultural Committee, has one comment:
    «It is a fundamental right to be able to vote in elections, and it is unacceptable if someone is prevented from using their right to vote.»
    Left-wing faith and life-spokesperson Grunde Almeland says voting "one of the most fundamental rights of Norwegian citizens":
    «If authorities threaten individuals using this fundamental right with sanctions, it is, as I feel it, an abuse of power.»
    Undermines
    The Progressive Party (FrP), as the only government party, is clear that they do not want to distribute state aid to any religious community.
    «I think the matter gets extra serious when religion is used as an anti-democratic press», says Frps representative in the Family and Culture Committee, Morten Wold, and add:
    «Faith is a private matter. Once we have public support for communities of faith and beliefs, it is absolutely essential that they do not undermine democracy and violate fundamental human rights.»
    Picture in article. Photo: Xueqi Pang - the journalist.
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    Jack Ryan got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Watchtower blatantly instructing Publishers to lie for financial gain   
    A letter from the Spain branch was sent to elders informing them about what to do if anyone is assaulted on the carts/trolleys during public witnessing.
    The letter is dated 10th July 2019 and includes a sheet with instructions that must be included with each cart. This means that we now have a legitimate document to be able to reason with active JWs.
     
    The document is entitled "What to do in the case of aggression during public witnessing activity?"
    First point it mentions is to call the police IMMEDIATELY, not the branch, hence highlighting that Watchtower value preaching carts more than the lives of abused children (where the Bethel branch must be called first).
     
    But the real point of this post is this: Look at point 3. "If you file a complaint at the police station, what should you say?" Amongst other things, it clearly states that "carts must be reported as the property of the brothers involved in this incident" and they've even underlined it. They stress that JWs "should not say that the carts are the property of the religious denomination or congregation."
     
    With me so far? Maybe you don't see anything wrong with this so let me refer you to the Elder's manual (Shepherd ver 2019, Chapter 23, point 9: Public Witnessing Equipment).
    There it clearly states that "The equipment will remain the property of the congregation."
     
    So why are Watchtower clearly asking their members to lie to the police in an official report? Go back to point 3 in the instructions to get the answer:
     
    "The police will probably ask who owns them in order to facilitate the option of asking for compensation." Ah good old money... at the root of most things that motivates Watchtower.
    So next time you see the JWs on the carts, ask them if their conscience permits them to lie to the police, not for "theocratic warfare" but for monetary compensation? What would Jesus think about that?
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    Jack Ryan got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Attorneys filing lawsuits in King's County Supreme Court against eight members of the Governing Body of the Jehovah's Witnesses for alleged child sexual abuse claims.   
    This is a Civil case. They won't be found "guilty" per se. They'd be found negligent or liable or whatever Zalkin is trying to prove in this case. The penalty will be financial, and there may be some stipulation of turning over documents or agreeing to meet with victims to discuss policy updates to prevent future victims. Watchtower has a huge history of not complying with those types of orders though.
    VIDEO : https://www.kcra.com/article/silent-no-more-part-1-the-survivors/28659357#
    The complete opposite of discreet.
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    Jack Ryan got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in The New York Child Victims Act and Jehovah's Witnesses   
    For the majority of survivors of abuse, the new law is a welcome legal tool, but only for citizens of New York State. However, for Jehovah’s Witness victims, the legislation is far more significant. The Witness organization is headquartered in New York, which means that any and all cases from all 50 States are eligible where the Watchtower Organization is a defendant.
    The key to filing such cases revolves around Watchtower’s decades-old policy in which allegations of sexual abuse are handled internally as matters of “sin”- but are rarely if ever reported to law enforcement.
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    As stated by New York’s Government Web Site, this new law:
    Provides that the statute of limitations for criminal prosecution of a sexual offense committed against a child shall not begin to run until the child turns 23 years of age. Provides that a civil action for conduct constituting a sexual offense against a child shall be brought before the child turns 55 years of age. Revives previously barred actions related to sexual abuse of children. Grants civil trial preference to such actions. Eliminates the notice of claim requirements for such actions when the action is brought against a municipality, the state or a school district. Requires judicial training relating to child abuse and the establishment of rules relating to civil actions brought for sexual offenses committed against children. These stipulations represent landmark changes to New York laws protecting minors, which previously placed unrealistic limits on the time given for victims to come forward and report abuse, or file a civil lawsuit seeking justice.
    Experts in the field now recognize that it may take 25, 30, 35 years or even longer before a victim of childhood abuse is able to disclose the crimes committed against them.
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    Jack Ryan got a reaction from James Thomas Rook Jr. in Jehovah's Witnesses in a 1968 interview "Armageddon and 1975" London Watchtower rep speaks to BBC   
    Jehovah's Witnesses in a 1968 interview _Armageddon and 1975_ London Watchtower rep speaks to BBC.mp4
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    Jack Ryan got a reaction from Joanne Williams in 2019 'Love Never Fails' convention   
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    Jack Ryan got a reaction from BillyTheKid46 in JW Lawyer on Disfellowshipping and Shunning   
    is it ok for a JW fireman to rescue people from a burning church?
    This is how JW's constantly think..... get real folks...
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    Jack Ryan got a reaction from BillyTheKid46 in JW Lawyer on Disfellowshipping and Shunning   
    It also looks like it’s proof that the Canadian lawyer for the Watchtower perjured himself as an officer of the court to their Supreme Court
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    Jack Ryan got a reaction from BillyTheKid46 in JW Lawyer on Disfellowshipping and Shunning   
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    Jack Ryan got a reaction from BillyTheKid46 in JW Lawyer on Disfellowshipping and Shunning   
    Jehovah's Witness Organization Redefines Shunning to Falsely.mp4 Every JW visiting this page should MORALLY comment below and publicly state that this JW Lawyer is LYING through his teeth to the Canadian Supreme Court.
    If you don't, YOU participate in this gross sin. Because you ALL KNOW this is a false statement.
    Remember as well that this JW Lawyer is also an Officer of the Court.
    What the courts do not know is that JW's consider outright lying in court a part of "theocratic warfare" just like Muslims do. So it is a virtue to them.

    SMH.
    Can you spell P-E-R-J-U-R-Y?
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    Jack Ryan got a reaction from Noble Berean in JW Lawyer on Disfellowshipping and Shunning   
    Evidently this is "Normal family relations" according to Watchtower:

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    Jack Ryan got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in JW's: How do you feel about being told that you MUST wear your badge even when out to dinner at night with your family after a convention?   
    There is a quite a difference between a suggestion and a directive.
    Was the direction given as a suggestion? So delegates were free not to wear it?
    What would happen if one of them chose NOT to wear it?
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    Jack Ryan got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in JW’s are now allowed to have beards and publicly preach....   
    @Anna 
    You got me!
    Really it's because I have issues stemming from decades of mind control from the JW's.... So I am not a good example.
    Other people should save themselves and future generations from this radioactive titanic religious cult if they don't want their children discussing whether they are allowed to wear beards in 50 years from now.
    I would rather they study science, medicine or technology and actually do something to help mankind rather than spread hate toward apostates who don't agree with their version / translation of some 5,000 year old camel riding desert sands God's words to an extinct people.
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    Jack Ryan got a reaction from JOHN BUTLER in JW’s are now allowed to have beards and publicly preach....   
    @The Librarian @JW Insider The whole idea of you guys following other men as to what is "permissible" is repugnant to people who have been taught critical thinking skills.
    Science has left religion and customs of desert nomads from 5,000 years ago literally in the dust.
    Time to find newer books to spend your days on.
    Have you considered learning a new skill in coding? Maybe medicine / health?
    Much more productive than spending your time as a people wondering if beards are ok or why you are all forced to wear suits and ties for walking down the street.
     
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    Jack Ryan got a reaction from Anna in JW’s are now allowed to have beards and publicly preach....   
    @Anna 
    You got me!
    Really it's because I have issues stemming from decades of mind control from the JW's.... So I am not a good example.
    Other people should save themselves and future generations from this radioactive titanic religious cult if they don't want their children discussing whether they are allowed to wear beards in 50 years from now.
    I would rather they study science, medicine or technology and actually do something to help mankind rather than spread hate toward apostates who don't agree with their version / translation of some 5,000 year old camel riding desert sands God's words to an extinct people.
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    Jack Ryan reacted to Anna in JW’s are now allowed to have beards and publicly preach....   
    Hey critical thinker, why are you on here?
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    Jack Ryan got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in JW's: How do you feel about being told that you MUST wear your badge even when out to dinner at night with your family after a convention?   
    What if you are ordered to do some other crazy thing like.... never use a credit card?

     
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    Jack Ryan got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in JW’s are now allowed to have beards and publicly preach....   
    @The Librarian @JW Insider The whole idea of you guys following other men as to what is "permissible" is repugnant to people who have been taught critical thinking skills.
    Science has left religion and customs of desert nomads from 5,000 years ago literally in the dust.
    Time to find newer books to spend your days on.
    Have you considered learning a new skill in coding? Maybe medicine / health?
    Much more productive than spending your time as a people wondering if beards are ok or why you are all forced to wear suits and ties for walking down the street.
     
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    Jack Ryan got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in JW’s are now allowed to have beards and publicly preach....   
    Women are allowed. ?
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    Jack Ryan got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in JW’s are now allowed to have beards and publicly preach....   
    Was going to shave this morning. Then i thought WWJD?

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    Jack Ryan got a reaction from Matthew9969 in JW’s are now allowed to have beards and publicly preach....   
    Was going to shave this morning. Then i thought WWJD?

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    Jack Ryan got a reaction from James Thomas Rook Jr. in 2019 'Love Never Fails' convention   

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