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  1. bruceq
    Tom is correct this has been hashed out many times. Look in past posts it has all been answered before. Be obedient to those who are taking the lead among you+and be submissive,+ for they are keeping watch over you* as those who will render an account,+ so that they may do this with joy and not with sighing, for this would be damaging to you. Heb. 13:17.  Sorry but we didn't write this Scripture. Deal with it. Jesus is the Head and we must follow him wherever he goes even if you do not like it. https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/organized-religion/
  2. bruceq
    Whatever Jesus tells us through his Congregation of course...not Christendoms teachings or a blogger from the internet promoting Christendom's teachings with his "special interpretations". https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/jesus-coming/
  3. bruceq
    I said JESUS is head not any human!!! I believe this is Jehovah's Organization and Jesus is the head of the Congregation and that is why we must believe EVERYTHING Jesus as head teaches us. If Jehovah's Witnesses is the True Religion then Jesus is head and whatever teaching he allows is truth until HE tells us otherwise. People in Christendom pick and choose what to believe from their human clergy. We cannot just pick and choose weather to believe certain doctrines from our head Christ. He requires exclusive loyalty and devotion. John 6:68 https://www.jw.org/en/publications/books/good-news-from-god/recognize-true-worshippers/#?insight[search_id]=7324f81a-0b7f-43a8-ae60-f9d8b866ec03&insight[search_result_index]=6
  4. bruceq
    What is most important is to follow Jesus no matter what. If you believe JW have the truth then you must be loyal to Jehovah and the one he has put into authority over the Congregation - Jesus. The paragraph from this weeks WT noted in prior post answers your other questions. Be obedient to those who are taking the lead among you+and be submissive,+ for they are keeping watch over you* as those who will render an account,+ so that they may do this with joy and not with sighing, for this would be damaging to you. Heb. 13:17 Jesus is head of the Congregation. If any make mistakes then Jesus will correct them as the head. Just as the Israelites were corrected. But the Christian Congregation has a head that we must follow without question, otherwise we are no different than Christendom's Churches in doing our own thing. If Jesus really is your Lord then you must follow in his footsteps. Not go left or right on your own. While riding the Chariot we might see that its a good idea to turn right here but instead of waiting on the driver - Jesus to turn at his time for it we jump out and go to the right. You may be right about it but it was not the "proper" time to go right. There is only one driver or head. The problem is you may be right but your now on the road under the wheels of the Chariot because you presumptuously went before the "proper" time to turn right. Mt. 24:45. Listen to this talk it may help you build more faith in Jehovah's organization and why things happen at a "proper" time. Bucher Tommy - Jehovah is With His People.mp3
  5. bruceq
    I believe that JESUS is our head and we should follow him no matter where he goes. Eph. 1:22. Jesus is head of the Congregation Mt 28:18; Eph. 5:23; Heb. 2:8. “These are the ones that keep following the Lamb no matter where he goes.”—REV. 14:4. Loyalty to the Head of the Congregation is a given. Should not even be questioned as Jesus IS our Lord and Master. Therefore he is in control of all teachings of Jehovah's Witnesses IF you believe Jehovah's Witnesses is the true faith. To do things on your own like Adam, Eve, Satan, Korah and other presumptuous ones tried is disloyalty. And shows great disrespect for our Head as he is in control of the Chariot. To do your own thing as you state is no different than Christendom and is like using a taxi instead of letting Jesus drive the Chariot. In a taxi you pay someone to go where YOU want. Just like Christendom pays its clergy to go where the people want. Ez. Cpt. 1 https://www.jw.org/en/search/?q=true+religion What is our response to divinely authorized headship? By our respectful cooperation, we show our support for Jehovah’s sovereignty. Even if we do not fully understand or agree with a decision, we will still want to support theocratic order. That is quite different from the way of the world, but it is the way of life under Jehovah’s rulership. (Eph. 5:22, 23; 6:1-3; Heb. 13:17) We benefit from doing so, for God has our interests at heart. {From this weekends Watchtower.} https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/watchtower-study-june-2017/uphold-jehovah-gods-sovereignty/
  6. bruceq
    I don't care about your bragging about being at Bethel. An "insider" after only a few years at Bethel from 40 years ago.  LOL Brag about JEHOVAH for a change. https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/watchtower-study-january-2017/why-modesty-still-matters/  Where do you get your "special interpretations" from in regards to 1914, Gentile Times and so forth. Obviously not from Jehovah's Witnesses since they are at odds with your beliefs. So where do you get your interpretations from? I believe that JESUS is our head and we should follow him no matter where he goes. There is no Scripture that says we should follow an internet blogger who gets special interpretation. So you admit you follow the teachings of Christendom and their writings and interpretations. No wonder you do not believe in the teachings of our Head Jesus regarding 1914.  Jesus is head of the Congregation - if he says he became King in 1914 then who exactly are you to go against the teachings of our Lord and Master Jesus Christ? “These are the ones that keep following the Lamb no matter where he goes.”—REV. 14:4. So "special interpretation" belongs to Jesus as our HEAD not to an internet blogger. LOL https://tv.jw.org/#en/mediaitems/VODOrgMovies/pub-kyc_1_VIDEO https://www.jw.org/en/publications/books/bible-teach/1914-significant-year-bible-prophecy/#?insight[search_id]=46cb7e60-31f5-400b-94ec-d6d85eae6d8f&insight[search_result_index]=1 https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/daniel-4-bible-chronology-1914/#?insight[search_id]=e8ddb295-889f-4ee3-ac9d-d25140623b74&insight[search_result_index]=5
  7. bruceq
     Your personal attacks mean nothing to me. All I asked was where do you get your "special interpretations" from in regards to 1914, Gentile Times and so forth. Obviously not from Jehovah's Witnesses since they are at odds with your beliefs. So where do you get your interpretations from? I believe that JESUS is our head and we should follow him no matter where he goes. There is no Scripture that says we should follow an internet blogger who gets special interpretation.   Jesus is head of the Congregation - if he says he became King in 1914 then who exactly are you to go against the teachings of our Lord and Master Jesus Christ?  “These are the ones that keep following the Lamb no matter where he goes.”—REV. 14:4. So "special interpretation" belongs to Jesus as our HEAD not to an internet blogger. LOL https://tv.jw.org/#en/mediaitems/VODOrgMovies/pub-kyc_1_VIDEO https://www.jw.org/en/publications/books/bible-teach/1914-significant-year-bible-prophecy/#?insight[search_id]=46cb7e60-31f5-400b-94ec-d6d85eae6d8f&insight[search_result_index]=1
  8. bruceq
     Your personal attacks mean nothing to me. All I asked was where do you get your "special interpretations" from in regards to 1914, Gentile Times and so forth. Obviously not from Jehovah's Witnesses since they are at odds with your beliefs. So where do you get your interpretations from? I believe that JESUS is our head and we should follow him no matter where he goes. There is no Scripture that says we should follow an internet blogger who gets special interpretation.   Jesus is head of the Congregation - if he says he became King in 1914 then who exactly are you to go against the teachings of our Lord and Master Jesus Christ? “These are the ones that keep following the Lamb no matter where he goes.”—REV. 14:4. So "special interpretation" belongs to Jesus as our HEAD not to an internet blogger. LOL https://tv.jw.org/#en/mediaitems/VODOrgMovies/pub-kyc_1_VIDEO https://www.jw.org/en/publications/books/bible-teach/1914-significant-year-bible-prophecy/#?insight[search_id]=46cb7e60-31f5-400b-94ec-d6d85eae6d8f&insight[search_result_index]=1  Â
  9. bruceq
     On 8/19/2017 at 10:01 AM, JW Insider said:  And I could even defend my special interpretation LOL Your entire post was about your special interpretation of things that contradict Jehovah's Witnesses. And you now deny it. So you get it from "angels" , Christendom or just all by yourself - your own Captain? Do you agree with Jehovah's Witnesses that the Gentile Times ended in 1914? https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/daniel-4-bible-chronology-1914/#?insight[search_id]=e8ddb295-889f-4ee3-ac9d-d25140623b74&insight[search_result_index]=5
  10. bruceq
    From where do you get "your" special interpretation?Â
  11. bruceq
    BTW when you said you receive "special interpretation" where does it come from? God himself speak to you? Or perhaps angels? Or just from websites from Christendom?  Christendom are the ones who do not teach that the Gentile Times ended in 1914. And I have noticed you like to copy and paste from apostate websites against our teachings.  Jesus is head of the Congregation - if he says he became King in 1914 then who exactly are you to go against the teachings of our Lord and Master Jesus Christ? https://tv.jw.org/#en/mediaitems/VODOrgMovies/pub-kyc_1_VIDEO https://www.jw.org/en/publications/books/bible-teach/1914-significant-year-bible-prophecy/#?insight[search_id]=46cb7e60-31f5-400b-94ec-d6d85eae6d8f&insight[search_result_index]=1 Â
  12. bruceq
    Have JOY...put Jehovah first, Others second and Yourself last. Don't be an "insider" be humble and do your Happy Dance https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/watchtower-study-january-2017/why-modesty-still-matters/
  13. bruceq
    Indeed and not only is it mentioned in many WT publications written before 1914 and in the "Time is at Hand" {4 MILLION copies testifying to your error} but history testifies that it was as seen in secular newspapers.   You should know this already. If you really are a Witness. I have read it several times in my own Studies in the Scriptures and Watch Towers of that era He said in 1914 there would be worldwide "turmoil" "universal anarchy" "war" "time of trouble"  and many other words to describe that year as different than any previous. Rev. 6:4 "peace taken away from the EARTH". Why do Christendom's apostates always try to attack Jehovah's Witnesses and 1914? See below. https://tv.jw.org/#en/mediaitems/VODOrgMovies/pub-kyc_1_VIDEO https://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?_odkw=&_ssn=lisa.joeywit&_armrs=1&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2046732.m570.l1313.TR9.TRC1.A0.H0.X1914.TRS2&_nkw=1914&_sacat=0 http://www.ebay.com/itm/END-OF-ALL-KINGDOMS-1914-Watchtower-related-I-B-S-A-/391858379350?hash=item5b3c945a56:m:mnBaLoE_YJH7RmmHDm2LwHA
  14. bruceq
    Again praise Jah. Rev. 6:4 came true. A Global war DID happen in 1914. Not just JW who say it even Google agrees that there was a Global War and calls it World War 1. And Jesus is in control of the Chariot, not a taxi. https://www.jw.org/en/publications/books/bible-teach/1914-significant-year-bible-prophecy/  Happy Dance
  15. bruceq
    Yes I agree that not everything they expected would happen but a global war did and that is all that I was talking about. {sorry i'm not into sports}.  Of course we don't need someone from over a hundred years ago to tell us that the prophecy came true that "peace was taken away from the EARTH" at Rev. 6:4. BTW thanks for keeping your comments to 30 sec or less. The Gentile times in 1914 did not fail unless you no longer believe that Jesus is at the helm as Head of the Congregation and Jehovah's Witnesses is not the true faith. https://www.jw.org/en/publications/books/bible-teach/1914-significant-year-bible-prophecy/
  16. bruceq
    Good questions. I flunked English once in Jr. High so I may not be the one to ask. {although the teacher flunked more than half the class that year]. So its all Greek to me. Anyway our current understanding is that the First Resurrection comes in stages over a period of time. Firstfruit is Jesus. Then the anointed are raised beginning in 1918 up to today as they die as "certain firstfruits" {think on Jewish harvest periods"}. Then there is the final part at the very end of the second phase of the Great Tribulation { attack of Gog} where final surviving anointed {who survived the first phase of the GT - attack on religion} as they are "caught away" to join the others already resurrected. {Known in Christendom as a "rapture" although we do not use that term since it describes a Bodily resurrection whereas of course we believe flesh and blood cannot go to heaven}. Now there could be changes in this entire mode of the period of time such as all the First Resurrected ones being raised "at the same time" "sama" {of course Jesus was already raised now wasn't he} but that contradicts other Scriptures so we will wait and see what our Head Jesus has to say at the "Proper" time for it. Of course it does not matter either way now does it? No matter what they will ALL be in heaven for the Marriage of the Lamb. Praise Jah. - 1 Cor ch. 15; 1 Thess. ch. 4; Rev. 6:11; Rev. 14:13; 1 Thess. 1:7..... So the question is how much time is involved with the word "afterward" at 1 Thess 4:17.
  17. bruceq
    Thank you for the question I do not believe asking it is being critical. No Jesus does not lie, Satan is the father of the lie. He wants people to decide for themselves without a divine governance. Jesus is not a taxi-driver. He does not go wherever we want because we pay him. Christendom's clergy do that. Why the Pastor next to our Kingdom Hall gets $300,000 a year to preach what the members of the Church want him to preach to have their ears tickled. But we as Jehovah's Witnesses believe Jesus is in control of the Chariot as the Head of the Congregation, not a taxi driver. It is possible to believe in something that later is decided by Jesus as being the truth. But it is up to him to make that decision at the PROPER time not our time. We are not in a taxi. If one presumptuously decides to go to the "right" before the driver does then such a one would have to leave the vehicle and be outside while the Chariot continues on. Oh perhaps you were right after all but is it not better to stay in the vehicle than to be roadkill like a squirrel on the road? Jesus is the HEAD of the Congregation and the Celestial Chariot is NOT a taxi. As for teachings that were not true but later were the same thing applies. Jesus is head of the Congregation. Certainly he knows the road ahead better than we humans do and sometimes can make decisions that according to our limited human viewpoint from the back of the bus seem wrong or actually is wrong. For example Jesus told people to eat his blood and flesh. Not only was that wrong according to Jewish Law but common human decency. Yet who was right? And when Moses was directed to go in the opposite direction back toward Egypt to go to the edge of the Read Sea...well who was right then? You see we must have faith that Jesus is the HEAD of the Congregation and HE decides when to move in any given direction. Jesus does not drive a taxi. Sometimes the driver can go over bumps in the road or swerve to avoid certain things but it is not wrong if the Driver knows what he is doing. Do you not think Jesus knows what he is doing? We may become anxious or get vertigo from the changes made by the Chariot but a true follower of Christ will follow him no matter where he goes without complaining to him about the road taken. 1 Cor. 1:10. “These are the ones that keep following the Lamb no matter where he goes.”—REV. 14:4. https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2009123
  18. bruceq
    4 "For the weapons of our warfare are not fleshly,+ but powerful by God+for overturning strongly entrenched things. 5 For we are overturning reasonings and every lofty thing raised up against the knowledge of God,+ and we are bringing every thought into captivity to make it obedient to the Christ" 2 Cor. 10:4,5. Obedient to CHRIST the head of the Congregation. Be obedient to those who are taking the lead among you+and be submissive,+ for they are keeping watch over you* as those who will render an account,+ so that they may do this with joy and not with sighing, for this would be damaging to you. Heb. 13:17
  19. bruceq
    For example I have also noticed the word "SAMA at 1 Thess. 4:17 as seemingly saying "at the same time" and that the NWT does not translate it that way. BUT so no other Translation also does not translate it that way. I am not a Greek scholar so there must be reasons why Translations say "together with them be caught away"...however than a "moment" of a 1 st Ress. Rev 14:13 seems to indicate a period of time for the First Resurrection. I found out about 1 Thess many decades ago and if there is going to be any adjustment it will be at the "proper" time when Christ moves the Chariot in that direction. Not because I think it should change right now. I am thinking perhaps "together with them " takes into account "at the same time" without detailing it so. But we will wait and see...that is wait on our "head" to direct his vessel. Here is the most updated on this subject soon to be posted on jw.org : Dec 2017 Study Edition 17 The Bible adds details about the heavenly resurrection: “We do not want you to be ignorant about those who are sleeping in death . . . For if we have faith that Jesus died and rose again, so too God will bring with him those who have fallen asleep in death . . . We the living who survive to the presence of the Lord will in no way precede those who have fallen asleep in death; because the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, . . . and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first. Afterward we the living who are surviving will, together with them, be caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and thus we will always be with the Lord.”—1 Thess. 4:13-17. 18 The first resurrection would take place sometime after “the presence” of Christ began. Anointed ones who are alive during the great tribulation will be “caught away in clouds.” (Matt. 24:31) Those “caught away” will not “fall asleep in death” in the sense of having a long sleep in death. They “will all be changed, in a moment, in the blink of an eye, during the last trumpet.”—1 Cor. 15: 51, 52. Notice they did not here mention 1918 but is in harmony with what I believe is our belief on the subject. Things are revealed slowly at times. They seem to me to connect the first with the being "caught away". Notice it?
  20. bruceq
    Again your comments testify your looking at this from a human perspective...comments like "Inherited tradition" as if we are just a religion of Christendom and not the True Faith under Christ as leader. We all need adjustments in veiwpoints from time to time. But Jesus does the adjustments. And the two in 2 Tim had a bad attitude about it they were trying to "subvert" others by being dogmatic against Jesus's headship as in control of the Congreagations' teachings. {"You don't feel like as if you are required to test this doctrine and make sure before you begin believing it and promoting it yoursel"?} No if Jesus says it is true for now then it is not up to me to change that or question it. That would be presumptuous to think I know better than Jesus. I also have my own ideas dont take me wrong. For example I think the "entire" First Resurrection may happen at the very end of the GT just before Armageddon rather than 1918 just as years ago I always thought the GT would last a number of years like in the First Century by 1995 that came out. But not because of ME. However there is a Scripture in Revelation 14:13 seems to contradict my thinking on the resurrection being totally at the end of the second "phase". But the point I am making is it is ok to speculate on such things but I am not of the Governing Body and it is not up to anyone to try and reform Jesus' teachings. We are given food at the "proper" time that is proper for Jesus to turn that Chariot in any given direction since we do not have the map as to what the reasons are for any given change as humans on earth. We simply follow our "head" of the Congregation. I don't mind some of your "thinking" but I do when it sounds more like "this must be so about 1914...and thus dogmatically say the Governing Body is mistaken when Jesus is the one in control of all teachings.
  21. bruceq
    BTW try limiting your responses like I have to 30 sec or less as the brothers have told us. It is rather haughty to have to read 10- 15 min of material that you could have summoned up in one paragraph or a couple of sentences. Try one point at a time please. I cant imagine have a brother in the Watchtower Study say the comments you write as it would take up all the time and no one could say anything else. Our time is of value to us as well. James 4:10. One time one of your responses to someone literally took me 15 min just to read it !!! I'm not kidding.
  22. bruceq
    I am willing to obey my LORD and Master Jesus who is the head of the Congregation and all teachings therefore come from him not any man. Imagine picking and choosing what to believe based on your high-minded "make sure that Jesus is right attitude. Of course Jesus is right IF you are a true Christian. https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/which-religion-is-true/ No wonder some left Jesus when he said to eat his flesh and blood. It is not by my authority to question truth. Jehovah has given all authority to Jesus not any man, internet blogger or anyone else. Think spiritual nor physical.(1Co 12:27; Eph 4:15, 16; Col 2:18, 19
  23. bruceq
    If Jehovah's Witnesses is the true religion then their teachings are true since Jesus is the head of those teachings, not ANY human. Noble - minded means being humble. We should humbly accept that Jesus is in control of the Chariot. When someone starts to learn the "elementary things" {such as 1914] they ask questions to find out why things are TRUE not to ask them in a critical way - that is a sign of elementary thinking - such a person is not humble and is not attracted to the Truth that sets one free from the haughty world of criticism.. Why do you call yourself jw "insider". Don't you think many may take that as a rather haughty name that you have something others do not or as you put it in one of your posts " I have special interpretation".{Col. 2:18,19}. Quote is :"And I could even defend my special interpretation" taken from thread : Matthew 24. Is the INVISIBLE PAROUSIA doctrine based on less likely, special definitions of SIGN, PAROUSIA, CONCLUSION, LIGHTNING, GENERATION, and "GENTILE TIMES"?    On 8/19/2017 at 10:01 AM, JW Insider said:  And I could even defend my special interpretation And where does your "special interpretation" come from?Â
  24. bruceq
    Of course since Jesus is the head of the Congregation not you or any of the brothers back then. Try to look at it spritually instead of physical.
  25. bruceq
    Agree Jesus is head of the Christian Congregation, not the Jewish one who killed him.
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