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  1. bruceq
    Unfortunately one of the girls killed in Finland was one of our sisters. https://www.jw.org/en/news/#newsAlerts
  2. bruceq
    Jehovah's Witnesses' Bible does not differ essentially from Orthodox Bible BIBLE TRANSLATION MADE BY JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES RULED "EXTREMIST" IN R.F. Portal-Credo.Ru, 19 August 2017 The Vyborg city court of Leningrad province on 17 August recognized one of the translations of the Bible ("New World Translation" adopted by Jehovah's Witnesses) as "extremist material," a Portal-Credo.Ru correspondent reports. At the same time, in Russia there is a law in effect, adopted in 2015, that prohibits recognizing the Bible "as extremist materials," while the question about translations is not dealt with in the law. The New World Translation does not fundamentally differ from the Synodal translation, which is most widely distributed in Russia. In their translation, the Jehovah's Witnesses only tried to downplay the "trinitarian" fragments and also to use the name Jehovah as often as possible. An expert conclusion, on the basis of which the court issued its decision, recognized as "extremist" in particular the fragment of the Old Testament where God's destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah is described. The judicial act, unprecedented in human history, was made by Judge Dmitry Grishin, a kandidat of jurisprudence and past chairman of the department of civil law of the A.S. Pushkin Leningrad University. "To recognize 'Sacred Scripture—New World Translation' as extremist material," the verdict says. "To recognize as extremist materials the brochures 'The Bible and its Main Theme,' 'Science Instead of the Bible?' and 'How to Improve Health. 5 Simple Rules.' To confiscate the batch of the aforesaid literature." The court's decision has not taken effect and it may be appealed within 30 days. Reporting from the courtroom was posted on the website of the Jehovah' Witnesses in Russia. (tr. by PDS, posted 19 August 2017)
  3. bruceq
    Court decided that Jehovah's Witnesses' Bible is not Christian COURT RULES ESSENTIAL BOOKS OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES PROHIBITED by Mikhail Telekhov RAPSI, 18 August 2017 The Vyborg city court of Leningrad province recognized several books of the Jehovah's Witnesses as extremist and forbidden for distribution on Russian territory, RAPSI was told on Friday in the court. "A lawsuit was filed in court by the Leningrad-Finland transport prosecutor," the court specified. The transport prosecutor's office explained that the court recognized these books to be prohibited: "Sacred Scripture. New World Translation," "Science Instead of the Bible," "How to Improve Health," and "The Bible and its Chief Topic." The news agency's interlocutor said that these are the most important propaganda and religious materials of the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses banned in Russia. "Within the framework of this civil trial, the court was able to get around the equation of 'Sacred Scripture' with the Synodal translation of the canonical Bible, which the law forbids to regard as extremist. As a result, experts drew the conclusion of the independent character of paradigms that are foundational for Jehovah's Witnesses, emphasizing that it is not related to essential principles of Christian teaching," the prosecutor's office explained. It was reported at the court that after the court's decision takes legal effect it will be sent to the Russian Ministry of Justice for inclusion of the aforementioned books in the Federal List of Extremist Materials. (tr. by PDS, posted 18 August 2017)
  4. bruceq
    Court's ban of Bible defies logic and common sense COURT BANS MODERN TRANSLATION OF BIBLE IN RUSSIA Jehovah's Witnesses in Russia, 18 August 2017 Late in the evening of 17 August 2017, the Vyborg city court announced a decision: to recognize as extremist material the translation of the Bible into modern Russian, which was seized from Jehovah's Witnesses at customs. All of the seized batch should be confiscated with the goal of subsequent destruction. This decision has not taken legal effect and will be appealed in the Leningrad provincial court. Russia became the first European country to officially prohibit a translation of the Bible. The historic decision was issued by Judge Dmitry Grishin on a declaration of the prosecutor's office. During the many hours of sessions, Grishin was presented adequate opportunity to be persuaded that it is the Bible that is the object of the judicial investigation, a book which by law cannot be ruled to be extremist material. In the sessions, dozens of fragments were read from it, whole reams of various editions of the Bible were presented, and comparisons and contrasts of texts were conducted. Judge Grishin directly read dozens of texts from the Bible. The most authoritative specialists in the area of linguistics and religious studies where summoned to the trial from Moscow, who answered all questions of the sides and judge. Representatives of the prosecutor's office, who sought the ban of the Bible, were not able to identify a single biblical quotation that, in their opinion, could be considered extremist. Nevertheless, to universal amazement, the court made the decision to recognize the Bible as extremist material. At the base of this lawsuit lies the expert conclusion of Natalia Kriukova, who did not introduce a single quotation from the text of the Bible but nevertheless came to the conclusion that this book is extremist material. The logic of this expert conclusion consists in the fact that this Bible is extremist material because it is used by Jehovah's Witnesses. The court ignored other scientific conclusions, expert analyses, and reviews existing in the case, which prove conclusively that Kriukova's conclusion is unscientific and contradictory, and that the Bible, which is the object of the lawsuit, really is the Bible. It is noteworthy that mathematics teacher Natalia Kriukova does not have education giving her the right to conduct this investigation. Judge Dmitry Grishin is a kandidat of jurisprudence. When lawyers pointed out to him that this translation of the Bible is included in the catalogue of translations of the Bible published by the American Library of Congress, Grishin told the sides that he has engaged in his own scientific research for many days in the Library of Congress. Nevertheless, on 17 August 2017 Grishin issued a decision to prohibit the Bible, a decision which contradicts science, the law, and common sense. (tr. by PDS, posted 18 August 2017)
  5. bruceq
    I and Jehovah's Witnessses believe that Satan is misleading the entire earth including the religious element. There is a reason for the widespread beliefs that are false and are in the majority. {I included those as examples] Of course the majority including us believe in the ransom but as you should know it is not the same now is it? Since they believe he was not fully man corresponding to Adam... Yes I have many different Bible Translations in my official library many with wording similar to the 2013 edition of the NWT : THEOCRATIC HERITAGE LIBRARY BOOK STORE AND DIVINE NAME MUSEUM DISPLAYS -.http://www.ebay.com/gds/Collecting-Watchtower-Research-Books-/10000000188341192/g.html . But Jehovah is ONE and there is only one true religion despite being 40,000 Christian sects on Earth but Jehovah does not use them to preach the good news of the KINGDOM. https://www.jw.org/en/; https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/jw.org You know the saying, truth is truth no matter who says it: Yes Satan did tell the truth to Jesus now didnt he.  And since he is the god of this world then his minions, who are everywhere including here on the internet, can also tell the truth. But that is not all there is to it now is it .  Satan often presents a truth in such a way to persuade one to believe in a lie as some here do as well being an angel of light or an "insider" of JW theology !!!Mt 7, 2 Cor. 11:14;  {WT 01 8/1 "Your Right to Believe".} https://www.jw.org/en/search/?q=truth Jesus said "by their fruits "you would recognize both true and false. Not by teachings of chronology. Ask yourself why believe a blogger from the internet who you do not even know whos fruits are of a haughty nature with very long posts and thinks he has "inside" info into the Organization yet is just an internet blogger with no way to verify anything, why he could be a predator apostate there is no way of knowing except by their fruits, does he strengthen or weaken your faith with critical words against Jehovah's people as Korah and his 250 followers did?.
  6. bruceq
    Agreed. "and the people began to fear Jehovah and to put faith in Jehovah AND in his servant Moses". And we know the "rest of the story" of how some were stumbled because of not having respect and loyalty to Jehovah AND the one "taking the lead". "Be obedient to those who are taking the lead among you+and be submissive" Heb. 13:17. Trust that Jehovah has his organization in complete control like the Celestial Chariot in Ezekiel. No need to be argumentative. Jesus exposed false teachings and those who promoted them calling them "hypocrites and offspring of vipers". Mt 23. Therefore I have the right to expose those here who likewise are disloyal to Jehovah's Organization, who claim to be brothers yet are very critical and not loyal to the FDS and the current teachings of revealed truths about 1914. So why attack ones who defend the truth as Jesus did? "So how did that feel?" Great because: Abundant peace belongs to those loving your law, and for them there is NO stumbling block.”—PSALM 119:165. https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/ws20130315/loving-jehovah-no-stumbling-block/ agape, Bruce
  7. bruceq
    I believe the true faith is a minority. Therefore its beliefs would not be shared by the majority such as Christendom in regards to the subjects under consideration. And I believe, as Jehovah's Witnesses also believe, that correct interpretation from God come from the "Faithful Slave" not from some bloggers on an internet site. To learn more of what we "really" believe instead of Christendoms propaganda as presented by a blogger look at JW.ORG for the truth about 1914 that Jehovah has given his people at the "proper" time for that teaching. Mt. 24:45.
  8. bruceq
    We only "reject" if the Governing Body tells us so not some blogger on the internet who thinks they are a spirit-anointed channel of interpretation to the rest of us. LOL. This has already been explained and Daniel said it was hidden until the end. Dan. 12:4. For further info see JW.ORG not some bloggers LOL You guys are hilarious. Bloggers good grief.  If the Faithful slave says it is so then it is so why should mice tell Jehovah what is true or false. I suppose if you and insider were Israelites leaving Egypt you would "complain" about why are we going in the wrong direction. The Chariot goes in the direction Jehovah wants even if we think it is right or wrong.  Look at least try and look at the big picture regarding Loyalty to Jehovah's Organization and its teachings. It is not rocket science really. Unless of course you two are not really Jehovah's Witnesses then I completely understand. If so please answer the following question:  Since you believe more in Christendom's chronology against 1914 rather than JW's please inform us if you also celebrate Christmas on Dec. 25th?  The Bible’s answer about 1914 and the Tree Dream Bible chronology indicates that God’s Kingdom was established in heaven in 1914. This is shown by a prophecy recorded in chapter 4 of the Bible book of Daniel. Overview of the prophecy. God caused King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon to have a prophetic dream about an immense tree that was chopped down. Its stump was prevented from regrowing for a period of “seven times,” after which the tree would grow again.—Daniel 4:1, 10-16. The prophecy’s initial fulfillment. The great tree represented King Nebuchadnezzar himself. (Daniel 4:20-22) He was figuratively ‘chopped down’ when he temporarily lost his sanity and kingship for a period of seven years. (Daniel 4:25) When God restored his sanity, Nebuchadnezzar regained his throne and acknowledged God’s rulership.—Daniel 4:34-36. Evidence that the prophecy has a greater fulfillment. The whole purpose of the prophecy was that “people living may know that the Most High is Ruler in the kingdom of mankind and that he gives it to whomever he wants, and he sets up over it even the lowliest of men.” (Daniel 4:17) Was proud Nebuchadnezzar the one to whom God ultimately wanted to give such rulership? No, for God had earlier given him another prophetic dream showing that neither he nor any other political ruler would fill this role. Instead, God would himself “set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed.”—Daniel 2:31-44. Previously, God had set up a kingdom to represent his rulership on earth: the ancient nation of Israel. God allowed that kingdom to be made “a ruin” because its rulers had become unfaithful, but he foretold that he would give kingship to “the one who has the legal right.” (Ezekiel 21:25-27) The Bible identifies Jesus Christ as the one legally authorized to receive this everlasting kingdom. (Luke 1:30-33) Unlike Nebuchadnezzar, Jesus is “lowly in heart,” just as it was prophesied.—Matthew 11:29. What does the tree of Daniel chapter 4 represent? In the Bible, trees sometimes represent rulership. (Ezekiel 17:22-24; 31:2-5) In the greater fulfillment of Daniel chapter 4, the immense tree symbolizes God’s rulership. What does the tree’s being chopped down mean? Just as the chopping down of the tree represented an interruption in Nebuchadnezzar’s kingship, it also represented an interruption in God’s rulership on earth. This happened when Nebuchadnezzar destroyed Jerusalem, where the kings of Israel sat on “Jehovah’s throne” as representatives of God himself.—1 Chronicles 29:23. What do the “seven times” represent? The “seven times” represent the period during which God allowed the nations to rule over the earth without interference from any kingdom that he had set up. The “seven times” began in October 607 B.C.E., when, according to Bible chronology, Jerusalem was destroyed by the Babylonians. *—2 Kings 25:1, 8-10. How long are the “seven times”? They could not be merely seven years as in Nebuchadnezzar’s case. Jesus indicated the answer when he said that “Jerusalem [a symbol of God’s rulership] will be trampled on by the nations until the appointed times of the nations are fulfilled.” (Luke 21:24) “The appointed times of the nations,” the period during which God allowed his rulership to be “trampled on by the nations,” are the same as the “seven times” of Daniel chapter 4. This means that the “seven times” were still under way even when Jesus was on earth. The Bible provides the way to determine the length of those prophetic “seven times.” It says that three and a half “times” equal 1,260 days, so “seven times” equal twice that number, or 2,520 days. (Revelation 12:6,14) Applying the prophetic rule “a day for a year,” the 2,520 days represent 2,520 years. Therefore, the “seven times,” or 2,520 years, would end in October 1914.—Numbers 14:34; Ezekiel 4:6. You see the Truth is simple not from a "blogger" on some internet site. LOL  https://www.jw.org/en/
  9. bruceq
    I just like playing with mice but sometimes its a bit tiresome. With all four of them.
  10. bruceq
    It did not say a letter from us but "appearing" to be from us as someone claiming the interpreatational authority that God gave to those appointed by him. by a letter appearing to be from us, to the effect that the day of Jehovah is here. So the question would be "Who really is the Faithful and Discreet slave"?
  11. bruceq
    I personally believe that JW have the Scriptural point of view. Whereas Christendom although they say they do do not in regards to all that has been stated. No reason to argue I just think that interpretational authority belongs to the Governing Body not to any in Christendom or any bloggers trying to figure it all out.
  12. bruceq
    It is covered on Jw.org that I quoted from. Jehovah's Witnesses interpretation is correct until JEHOVAH changes it. Not through a blogger but through the Governing Body. No need for another interpretation but thanks anyway.
  13. bruceq
    Good we agree then that Daniel did NOT know the interpretation since Daniel said it was hidden in his time and NOT revealed until time of the end.  Dan. 12:4 !!!!! How long are the “seven times”? They could not be merely seven years as in Nebuchadnezzar’s case. JESUS indicated the answer when he said that “Jerusalem [a symbol of God’s rulership] will be trampled on by the nations until the appointed times of the nations are fulfilled.” (Luke 21:24) “The appointed times of the nations,” the period during which God allowed his rulership to be “trampled on by the nations,” are the same as the “seven times” of Daniel chapter 4. This means that the “seven times” were still under way even when Jesus was on earth. The Bible provides the way to determine the length of those prophetic “seven times.” It says that three and a half “times” equal 1,260 days, so “seven times” equal twice that number, or 2,520 days. (Revelation 12:6,14) Applying the prophetic rule “a day for a year,” the 2,520 days represent 2,520 years. Therefore, the “seven times,” or 2,520 years, would end in October 1914.—Numbers 14:34; Ezekiel 4:6. Now finally since you believe in the chronology of Christendom against 1914 then do you celebrate Christmas also on December 25th  ????????
  14. bruceq
    Since you believe in the chronology of Christendom then do you celebrate Christmas Ann ???
  15. bruceq
    So who is right? Jehovah's Witnesses or Christendom?
  16. bruceq
    That is on topic since you believe in the teachings of Christendom do you celebrate Christmas? Not that hard to answer is it?
  17. bruceq
    My defense is the Faithful Slave...yours is Christendom. Who is right Jehovah or Christendom?
  18. bruceq
    Since you cannot defend your position may I ask do you celebrate Christmas?
  19. bruceq
    BTW Ann o Maly do you celebrate Christmas?
  20. bruceq
    See above
  21. bruceq
    https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/daniel-4-bible-chronology-1914/#?insight[search_id]=27de0db2-f476-4aa1-a186-9fb992bb3358&insight[search_result_index]=11 I am not going to read it all to you I am sure you are literate enough to do it yourself. It is not that long unlike some here. LOL. It will take you less than 60 sec. to read it.
  22. bruceq
    see above JW.ORG. https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/daniel-4-bible-chronology-1914/#?insight[search_id]=27de0db2-f476-4aa1-a186-9fb992bb3358&insight[search_result_index]=11Â Â Perhaps you missed the explanation by the Faithful Slave of Jehovah's Witnesses. The problem with Christendoms teachings is they often want just a verse without looking at the context of the entire Bible. And the fact that there is a faithful slave today to interpret it all for us not some bloggers. LOLÂ
  23. bruceq
    What Does Bible Chronology Indicate About the Year 1914? Audio recordings download options MP3 The Bible’s answer Bible chronology indicates that God’s Kingdom was established in heaven in 1914. This is shown by a prophecy recorded in chapter 4 of the Bible book of Daniel. Overview of the prophecy. God caused King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon to have a prophetic dream about an immense tree that was chopped down. Its stump was prevented from regrowing for a period of “seven times,” after which the tree would grow again.—Daniel 4:1, 10-16. The prophecy’s initial fulfillment. The great tree represented King Nebuchadnezzar himself. (Daniel 4:20-22) He was figuratively ‘chopped down’ when he temporarily lost his sanity and kingship for a period of seven years. (Daniel 4:25) When God restored his sanity, Nebuchadnezzar regained his throne and acknowledged God’s rulership.—Daniel 4:34-36. Evidence that the prophecy has a greater fulfillment. The whole purpose of the prophecy was that “people living may know that the Most High is Ruler in the kingdom of mankind and that he gives it to whomever he wants, and he sets up over it even the lowliest of men.” (Daniel 4:17) Was proud Nebuchadnezzar the one to whom God ultimately wanted to give such rulership? No, for God had earlier given him another prophetic dream showing that neither he nor any other political ruler would fill this role. Instead, God would himself “set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed.”—Daniel 2:31-44. Previously, God had set up a kingdom to represent his rulership on earth: the ancient nation of Israel. God allowed that kingdom to be made “a ruin” because its rulers had become unfaithful, but he foretold that he would give kingship to “the one who has the legal right.” (Ezekiel 21:25-27) The Bible identifies Jesus Christ as the one legally authorized to receive this everlasting kingdom. (Luke 1:30-33) Unlike Nebuchadnezzar, Jesus is “lowly in heart,” just as it was prophesied.—Matthew 11:29. What does the tree of Daniel chapter 4 represent? In the Bible, trees sometimes represent rulership. (Ezekiel 17:22-24; 31:2-5) In the greater fulfillment of Daniel chapter 4, the immense tree symbolizes God’s rulership. What does the tree’s being chopped down mean? Just as the chopping down of the tree represented an interruption in Nebuchadnezzar’s kingship, it also represented an interruption in God’s rulership on earth. This happened when Nebuchadnezzar destroyed Jerusalem, where the kings of Israel sat on “Jehovah’s throne” as representatives of God himself.—1 Chronicles 29:23. What do the “seven times” represent? The “seven times” represent the period during which God allowed the nations to rule over the earth without interference from any kingdom that he had set up. The “seven times” began in October 607 B.C.E., when, according to Bible chronology, Jerusalem was destroyed by the Babylonians. *—2 Kings 25:1, 8-10. How long are the “seven times”? They could not be merely seven years as in Nebuchadnezzar’s case. Jesus indicated the answer when he said that “Jerusalem [a symbol of God’s rulership] will be trampled on by the nations until the appointed times of the nations are fulfilled.” (Luke 21:24) “The appointed times of the nations,” the period during which God allowed his rulership to be “trampled on by the nations,” are the same as the “seven times” of Daniel chapter 4. This means that the “seven times” were still under way even when Jesus was on earth. The Bible provides the way to determine the length of those prophetic “seven times.” It says that three and a half “times” equal 1,260 days, so “seven times” equal twice that number, or 2,520 days. (Revelation 12:6,14) Applying the prophetic rule “a day for a year,” the 2,520 days represent 2,520 years. Therefore, the “seven times,” or 2,520 years, would end in October 1914.—Numbers 14:34; Ezekiel 4:6.
  24. bruceq
    https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/daniel-4-bible-chronology-1914/#?insight[search_id]=27de0db2-f476-4aa1-a186-9fb992bb3358&insight[search_result_index]=11 ALL aspects of 1914 doctrine are now problematic from Christendoms point of view. Rev. 6:4 "Take peace away from the EARTH"Â
  25. bruceq
    Is the interpretation of Matthew 24 based on less likely, special definitions of Jehovah's Witnesses {minority view} Invisible parousia, Jesus King in 1914, God is not a Trinity, No immortal soul, Jehovah in NT... OR on more likely common definitions of Christendom {Majority view} Visible parousia, Jesus King in 33 C.E or at birth, God is a Trinity, Soul is immortal, Jehovah not in NT... What do you think?  Would the true religion believe as the majority do on Mt. 24 or would they stand out as a minority interpretation - Does the Governing Body have the authority to interpret MT. 24 to us if what they say is at odds with Christendoms educated scholars and bloggers and the poster who says he has "special interpretation" !!! {see 7 posts down from this one if you don't believe me} yet his teachings are exactly as Christendom is  ? Mt. 7:13-23. Rev. 12:9. {Just because someone has studied flying does not mean he is authorized to fly the plane}. Heb. 13:17!!! We are suppose to "get out of her my people" not go back to her my people. Rev 18:4.   Â
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