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Ann O'Maly

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  1. 1 hour ago, Arauna said:

    Another point:  someone here on the forum spoke to me like a child to explain babylonian astronomy - which I may understand better than they do. . 

    You have yet to evidence your superior knowledge on the matter, Arauna. From what you wrote, you seemed to know very little.

    2 hours ago, Arauna said:

    This person does not understand the reason why the babylonians were doing astronomy.  It had nothing at all  to do with science........ Astronomical observation  was not a science like today.

    I explained all that in my post and is the reason I put quote marks around the word 'science.' The Babylonians were committed and (for their time) expert sky-watchers. They recorded what they saw and tried to develop mathematical methods to predict what they would see in the future. This is proto-science, if you like. If you have done any reading or study of their practices, you should know this.

    Anyway, astrology was intertwined with astronomy right up until the 17th or 18th century when the scientific method began to be formalized and they became separate disciplines. As I said before: to be a 'competent' astrologer, you had to be a competent astronomer. The Babylonians' superstitions and interpretations of celestial phenomena in no way negates what they observed. The sky doesn't lie. If the Moon or a planet was so many cubits from a certain star on a certain date, it can be checked and verified. What's so hard to understand about that?

  2. 16 hours ago, César Chávez said:

    Therefore, repost pictures and whatever other ignorant things you want.

    Okeydokey.

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    17 hours ago, César Chávez said:

    The people that can't handle the truth are the ones that get exposed with their lies just like you were exposed with your nonsense of 15 degrees that you continue to avoid and evade.

    Hey, I've been keeping this issue to the fore. You have been ducking and diving away from the obvious conclusion. 😂

  3. 13 hours ago, Anna said:

    Just as an aside, does anyone know who first came up with an antitypical fulfillment of Neb's dream? 

    There may have been seeds sown by Dispensationalists before him, but it can pretty much be traced back to John A. Brown's 2-volume work from 1823, Even-tide. There, he applied Dan. 4's 'seven times' to a period of 2,520 years where the Jews would be under the domination of 'four tyrannical monarchies' until their kingdom was restored in 1917. It's also important to note that Brown put the beginning of the time period to Nebuchadnezzar's first regnal year in 604 BCE.

    Link to relevant chapter.

  4. Another consideration is, if the Dan. 4 tree dream was a prophecy, and that prophecy had a secondary fulfillment involving 'Jehovah's throne,' why was it given long after the fulfillment had already started ('Jehovah's throne' had already been chopped down but the dream indicated a future event)?

    Sure, the dream is undated, but from what we know in the Babylonian records and the Bible, Nebuchadnezzar was active for years after Jerusalem's destruction (e.g. campaigns against Tyre first and later Egypt). Are there any other biblical examples not tied to WT's interpretation of the 'seven times' that involve prophecies given after the beginning of their fulfillments? 

    Just as an aside, but I think it pertinent, God had already applied another 'tree' illustration specifically to the debasement and restoration of the Judean kingdom: Ezekiel 17. Note the explanation from v.11 onward where there are common themes to Dan. 4; how it's prophesied that a rebellious king will end up dying in Babylon and that God will pick a fresh, topmost sprig of the tree to plant on Israel's high mountain to grow into a new, massive, fruitful tree feeding every kind of bird. The parable is likewise undated, but this time it is clear from the contents that the intended audience was the still-ruling Zedekiah and his court. 

    So we have two tree portents: one meant for 'Jehovah's throne' (Eze. 17) and the other meant for Nebuchadnezzar (Dan. 4). The two shouldn't be conflated.

  5. 2 hours ago, Arauna said:

    I think you must go challenge someone else. It is about ego for you - not about the truth of the bible.  I read a scripture today about "contentious" ones...... one cannot reason with them. 

     

    Haha. That's right, there is no reasoning with those who reject the truth. Stuffed shirts like CC, who have little interest in truth, deserve to be popped. I do what I can. 😉

  6. 32 minutes ago, Anna said:

    Reasonably, it is understood that Neb did not represent Jehovah, but rulership.

    The snag with that is Daniel said the tree represents Nebuchadnezzar himself - not just Babylonian rulership ('The tree ... is you, O King'). While Nebuchadnezzar was ill, the kingdom, its everyday affairs, commerce, government, agriculture, etc. continued.

    Another problem (apart from giving the dream an antitypical fulfillment that isn't scripturally warranted), is Babylonian rulership was uniformly seen in the Bible as oppressive to God's people, and yet this oppressive regime that destroyed his people's cities and cruelly held them captive is a type for God's righteous kingdom? How does that work?

  7. 29 minutes ago, César Chávez said:

    O'Maly that doesn't understand how the ancients used astronomical signs,

    How are you doing with the little math problem, CC? I'll repost it. Again, if you need help I can insert another picture for you.

      23 hours ago, César Chávez said:

    306      Encyclopedia of Vedic Astrology: Wealth & Prosperity

     Leo. And for the odd signs of zodiac, namely the Aries, Gemini, Leo, Libra, Sagittarius and Aquarius, the first half of the sign or the first 15 degrees of the sign comes under the Hora of Sun in the sign Leo, and the next half of the sign or the next 15 degrees of the sign comes under the Hora of Moon in the sign Cancer.

    Read more  

    ... you have been given an extra clue in the source you cited above. OK, let's have another go:

    If half of a zodiacal sign spans 15 degrees, what would be the span of a whole zodiacal sign?

    a) 15 degrees

    b) 2520 years

    c) 30 degrees

    d) 1260 days

    e) A partridge in a pear tree

  8. 15 hours ago, JW Insider said:

    Here's part one (in my next post). Anyone really interested should check the link on JW.ORG, because I will be skipping some of the less interesting dialogue between Cameron [JW Bible study conductor] and Jon [the person being studied with].

    I can never read that dialogue with a straight face. 😆

  9. 15 minutes ago, JW Insider said:

    The idea that Judah was completely desolate when Jerusalem was destroyed is contradicted by the fact that the land could not have been fully desolated until at least the 23rd year of Nebuchadnezzar .

    And Ezekiel 33:21-29 shows that in the December/January following Jerusalem's destruction there were inhabitants living in Jerusalem's ruins. God instructed Ezekiel to tell them a message.

  10. 4 hours ago, César Chávez said:

    306      Encyclopedia of Vedic Astrology: Wealth & Prosperity

     Leo. And for the odd signs of zodiac, namely the Aries, Gemini, Leo, Libra, Sagittarius and Aquarius, the first half of the sign or the first 15 degrees of the sign comes under the Hora of Sun in the sign Leo, and the next half of the sign or the next 15 degrees of the sign comes under the Hora of Moon in the sign Cancer.

    I see now that division involving a 3-digit number was too advanced for you. But you have been given an extra clue in the source you cited above. OK, let's have another go:

    If half of a zodiacal sign spans 15 degrees, what would be the span of a whole zodiacal sign?

    a) 15 degrees

    b) 2520 years

    c) 30 degrees

    d) 1260 days

    e) A partridge in a pear tree

     

  11. 1 hour ago, César Chávez said:

    This is why I brought up her latest paper where she is trying so hard to “discredit” Gertoux’s PH'd understanding of BM32234 by implying she can’t find any reference on how he came out with an observation of 15 degrees, meaning either he didn’t understand as well as she does, or there is a typographical error, which is convenient when someone with the lack of knowledge is trying to blame others for their own lack of understanding.

    He was talking about the Zodiac.

    If you were to divide up the constellations of the Zodiac into 12 equal sections, and the circle of the sky is 360 degrees, how many degrees would each Zodiac section be? I'll make it easy for you and give you a multiple choice:

    a) 15 degrees

    b) I do not know; my Ph.D. studies didn't cover simple math

    c) 6.07 x 10587 parsecs

    d) 30 degrees

    e) 180 elephants

    If you need help, I can always post another picture for you.

    The rest of your reply is the usual gibberish.

  12. @JW Insider Hm. OK. That's if we believe him. I would think that someone with a Ph.D. in Theology would be more even-toned and, dyslexia aside, would be able to formulate a cogent argument rather than the jumbled mess he usually presents. He must have had workarounds for his problem to be able to successfully submit his doctoral thesis. 

    Out of curiosity, what was your thesis on, @César Chávez?

  13. 27 minutes ago, César Chávez said:

    Here is Ann O'Malys words on a discussion board from another apostate site, for LBAT 1420

    ""Because the scheme with eclipses on LBAT 1420* will perfectly fit a reign of Nebuchadnezzar starting in many different years, the tablet cannot be used to prove that Nebuchadnezzar's year 1 is 604 B.C.E. Moreover, we cannot know whether the scheme of eclipses with five and six month intervals used for the backward calculations by the astrologer was the correct scheme. And a scheme with different intervals would give a perfect fit if 624 was year 1 of Nebuchadnezzar. "

    Are you an idiot or a liar (or both), CC? Those were not my words. Here's another picture for you:

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  14. 3 minutes ago, scholar JW said:

    Just what I expected. You can't be bothered because you cannot perform such a simple task therefore how can anyone take you seriously

    That is rich coming from you, Neil, as somebody who said he could not be bothered learning how to use an astronomy program to check the celestial positions on VAT 4956 for himself, and prefers instead to wallow in his own ignorance and self-admitted incompetence while hurling insults at those who have actually done the work. Why should I or AlanF or JW Insider or anyone else spoon-feed easily Googleable answers to someone who is too bone-idle to find the answer for himself, despite boasting about how great a scholar he is? Let me know when you can be bothered, Neil. Until then, hooroo.

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