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Arauna

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  1. Thanks my dear.... well put. These atheists display the personality of their "father". They produce only insults and have no persuasion capabilities. Steamrolling and bullying is not my idea of a good conversation. Nothing important has been said by any of the smarty-pants to impress me! Regarding your last sentence: do not worry...... I think we will see enough developments in global affairs in the next three years which will give you the incentive to hold your head up high for a little longer past the 10 year mark..... we are on the brink of BIG life-altering political developments. Things are building up.
  2. Yes, some people are naturally good and kind and there is no need to look down on them. Satan had the opposite type of personality....... which type of arrogance many people here display..... and they are not as smart as they think they are.... I was not talking about the Truth...... I was talking about the law which protect lawyers and clergy from revealing confessions.
  3. I understand how a moral society is supposed to function. I BET, you have no clue of social studies 101. I also bet - you do not notice the worsening morality in the West because you are not abreast with what is eally going on in the secular world.(misquote from you - I never speak of the Devil's world) .... so yea, it may come across as OCD but it is based on comparisons in the real world out there. Regarding the English - lol. My first language is not English and the English we speak has words such as " i am coming now-now" in it........ which means: in a minute. I used to write in English for newspapers and magazines but that was a long time ago and I had to watch the rules, which I have already forgotten. Now- I do not care. I write as I speak..... no ego to write accurately because I only use it as a tool to communicate.... appearances do not matter to me - only substance.
  4. Been through that: watched some discussions but never saw anyone mention the New years festival of Akito (the most important 14 day festival when King of kings are appointed or kingship re-affirmed) which was held in Nisan 538 BCE. This was the festival when Cyrus the Great was appointed as king of kings and called out the amnesty for all people to go back to their countries to restore their gods. Darius the Mede was appointed the Satrap of Babylon in 539 BCE. You see, in project management your timeline is important..... to deliver exactly on time. I looked at the timeline of the bible to see if it fits in with the overall plan/ project of Jehovah. I satisfied myself that the bible is absolute reality and the witnesses are the only ones who understand the main theme and its timeline as best one can with what we have. Throughout history jehovah has given his people events to look forward to or keep in mind. I.e.. Jesus's generation had to watch out for the temple destruction. So, aside from all the human imperfections we have to deal with - just like David, moses, Elijah and the nation of Israel....... God used them as a nation despite their infedility, immorality, idolatry and maybe even child sexual abuse...... unfortunately all forms of irregularities is part of life until jehovah removes the wicked forever. I am a realist - not an idealist or perfectionist. I wait for ideal conditions when Jesus has restored the original purpose of God and given rulership back to Jehovah. Not true - it was in answer to people who expect JWs to tell people to NOT move...... and other demands which are not practical in real life. JWs are not dictators and must rather err on the side of not judging too quickly because a hasty judgment is just as bad as not judging at all. I see these cases seem to be retro-active. When did they take place? The date it happened depends on the laws in place at the time. I feel by modern standards 5 years is way too little time behind bars because good behaviour can get him out of jail quickly ..... so it seems the secular system is not without its flaws.....
  5. You almost sound kind on that one...... but you are the one who is misled. You see, I am not the average witness you have dealt with. Yes, I am a sweet and happy old lady...... but that is as far as it goes. I am shrewd and well informed. I have lived and worked in 4 continents of the globe....... for starters..... I do not have a myopic view or inward looking - like many Americans do have. I am now retired in Asia-minor. I look at my faith objectively and have done my own intrinsic evaluation of the bible for logic, cohesion, and continuity of the theme. I believe the bible tells how God is project managing events until the restoration of the earth...... I have used project managing skills to do this and also used risk management techniques to see where the globe is heading........ I love politics and watch events closely to see how prophecy will be fulfilled.........I believe the bible is absolute reality and can prove it by analysing the reality of the theme and current events on the globe. I have also looked at the latest discoveries in paleontology, geology etc....... not impressed with the suppression of information which proves there is a creator. I also listen to a lot of debates between atheists and religious philosophers..... but the religious nuts come out on top ..... except when they try to prove a literal 6 day creation... but young earth evidence is ample........ I have already seen through your way of thinking..... why? I keep abreast of world events........ science, technology...... let's leave it at that. I need not state my credentials. But I do see enormous gaps in your thinking which compels you to dismiss all JWs and any value a JW might have. A waste of a good mind..... I have noticed a post- modern world-view in your own replies.
  6. I challenge you on that one! I think you are the one suffering from Dunning-Kruger effect.... Knowing what the effect is, does not make one immune to it.
  7. "Oh- so you said-" is a tactic of putting words in my mouth I did not say. I see you use this a lot. What I am saying that "scholars" were hoodwinked by pedophiles so why would "uninspired" elders not be hoodwinked? You are the one with unreasonable standards and bias.
  8. Now that sentence tells me you were a witness in name only - a counterfeit. You were totally complicit in a cover up.... have you ever contemplated that? What I see and hear from you is not mature. People are people and get up to all kinds of things. Sometimes the elders open a can of worms where they wonder what the person has NOT done. You see when a person starts going beyond their conscience there is nothing they cannot do.... and the hidden things are usually the last things to be revealed.
  9. You remind me of the guy who wrote Thirty years a WT slave. He was a slave.... You really believe the claptrap you talk. I have been a Witness for 45 years. I have never been in awe of anyone...... not you either..... Some witnesses are inclined this way..... but they would be like sheeple even if they were not JWs. I think JWs teach them to be less useful to governments who use the sheeple to fight their wars and they are less pliable to their political agendas and propaganda because they obey the GB suggestions. They are also less pliable to scholarly deceit and amorality.
  10. Totally agree. I come from Africa and know all about this. I also preach to Muslims (arabic) and they sell their daughters to old men, the highest bidder.... or when they need cash. My bible study was sold at age nine because her father needed the money for her older brother. She had 4 children by age 17. .... and later 4 more. I do not take you seriously because you are NOT a wise person. You cite tons of scriptures but cannot apply them in a practical way. It seems to be only knowledge and very little practical love. A lot of judgment ..... too with no good suggestions..... just poison. I do preach eternal life NOT hate like you do. I am always aware that I am a sinner even though I do not commit gross sins. I understand from scripture that I must be preaching (it is a duty for a true Christian) and I need to help a person to have a 'group of people' - a body of people, with practical infrastucture for meetings and preaching , where they can incite each other to fine works and receive encouragement. I cannot take interested ones to a church because they teach a dogma of immortality of the soul - they teach that jesus did not really die. I read in the bible that in last days there will be a "slave" providing spiritual food. Matt 24:45. I also read in Isaiah 2:2-4 that there will be one nation in the world comprised of all nations that do not do war....... so OK - JWs fit these bible descriptions. So now, I expect to have spiritual association - BUT to still be the master of my own faith. Do I expect some of thesepeople to deviate and become apostates - yes the bible warns against this. Do i expect a measure of protection - maybe a little .... but how much - this the real question? If I expect perfect protection from everything that can go wrong...... then I must also expect the group leaders to mix in my private life to find out everything about me (past and present) and make everything known about me...... so others can be protected from my bad inclinations. This sounds like the scientologists..... So obviously, there needs to be balance regarding the protection given...... and what about the parent's responsibility? Must elders take this over too? So.... where there is freedom with personal responsibility - there will always be those who expect perfection and personal accountability from other individuals for their own mishaps..... or their own parent's oversight. A call for perfect protection because an organization is religious is claptrap and based on a naive conception of the world. When a person has been convicted in court or enough evidence collected for shunning then this is a different matter. But as I said before - even professionals struggle to get the evidence..... So now they accuse the GB of being too unprofessional in their protection policies. I guess these people should have joined the scientologists who have a better surveillance system. I do believe the GB should have reviewed their policies sooner - in line with the new government laws as they improved in each country - but they cannot protect every person from every danger. It is the parent's duty to give that protection so the child is never in a compromising situation. The one law which governments have not yet changed is the law relating to confessional protection. Lawyers and clergy have this. The catholic church has refused to use confessions from people against them as well - as in JWs. What is WRONG in the catholic practice is this: the Catholics have moved clergy AFTER legal convictions were obtained or evidence was given and payouts made ....it is pattern or practice in the organization. Child molestation is everywhere where there are children..... and escalating by law right now as a legal blind eye is held when children are married against their will at age nine.
  11. You do not know me and make many assumptions. On the other hand - you may have some truths, but like all haters of JWs you have no balance or reasonableness and always go to extremes. So, how does one communicate with such a person?
  12. If teaching a better understanding of "sacrificial love" is flannel...... then your understanding of how society should function is limited....... as most Western societies are now having a problem with the fabric of society. Religious, racial hate is escalating. People are looking to "social engineering " and post modern philosophy to provide answers. They are now promoting new minorities such as LGBTQ and protected religions. Soon the UN will bring in their arbitrary values to create "peace and security" but will fail at the peace. Amidst all this - jehovahs people are United under the moral values taught by christ. In countries divided by racial hate such as south africa and growing racial divide in USA ...... we are United and the level of support and care for each other improving. The core teachings of truth are there - we just need to improve our social skills with each other to meet the standards of jehovah as taught by jesus and his apostles...... I can do better: most allow smoking, pre marital sex, use of predictions, superstition, use of idols, and many are now voting for approval of homosexuality and LGBTQ..... I can go on ....
  13. You focus only on JWs and have no clue of the extent of pedophelia in the world. You see, I have something to compare it to. You have nothing - clueless about what is going on around you. There are only few in our organization compared to what us going on in your country. Child trafficking is BIG business....as big as the drug smuggling...... and a lot of the politicians, CIA, judges etc involved. .I am not as naive as you think. You have the unrealistic expectation that there should be no pediohiles because JWs are Christian....... but these people are found where there are children..... in sports clubs, etc. It is also hard to obtain evidence and a conviction. Only two? What about a third postulation..... that God is not the source of the problem but allows it to exist for a reason...... Your reasoning is occam's razor - very limited........ all that reading of Dawkins' junk is showing.
  14. This us not true. I never read any of this in the publications. ...... I have been a JW since 1973. Any organization which is NOT willing to adjust reminds me of Muslims. Everything set in stone..... no adjustment because word of Allah came down from heaven. I also recall the church I belonged to before becoming a JW. Doctrine was set in stone...... trinity, immortality of soul, jesus is God etc. Glad to belong to a religion where they are prepared to acknowledge they did not have correct understanding....... or refine teachings.
  15. I think you are too busy studying the sordid inner circle gossip details if the few cases of pedophilia amongst JWs, that you have little knowledge of what is happening in the real world. All religion will soon be replaced by either worship of the state or one world religion which will take the form of a set of values which will include LGBTQ ......P In your mind that will be wonderful because you hate all religion and cling to the dogma of Darwinism....... only ..... your disappointment will be great because you will be gnashing your teeth in anger at the true God when he reveals himself.
  16. Good fortune with your endeavours - most probably they will only follow up on the JW to make one good example to the nation of him....... They only do something when the person is poor with no influence or is not from the protected minority groups. We all know they have tons of child trafficking groups in England who are protected by the upper echelons of society. Muslims marry 9 year olds against their will and rape young girls in gangs with impunity. Why they even have princes who get away with child sex. ..... I often wonder why they only target the JWs (who do not condone this behaviour but seem to have a few degenerates among them) ..... but balk from becoming activists against an injust police /justice system in their own country - which not only condones it - but cover up evidence and in some cases persecute those who expose child sex rings and human trafficking of children for sex. Some even go to prison for exposing child rape gangs.
  17. In the past university professors were hoodwinked. Social services placed children back in the homes with pedophile fathers. Arrogance! I bet you only speak English well but expect others to write your "style". Many here speak several languages of which English is not their first language. Another arrogant individual who by his language shows what really is going on in his upper storey.
  18. The rafter is in your eye........ you have the agenda. I have none. I just love jehovah. Simple.
  19. So true. I am not impressed with his so-called knowledge. Hard to reason with anyone who ignores or spurnes other people's reasonable arguments and just grabs something egotistically he can elaborate on which is a form of intellectual bullying. It does not get my respect. It seems he has done a lot of research about the inner circle problems the GB had at one time - to the extent where it can be called a tabloid with all the little titbits about the rumours about some individual's sexuality and preferences ..... real gossip column stuff..... etc. I do not read tabloids and neither will I bother to get the inside story on which GB member did what to whom. As I demonstrated earlier: Jehovah himself appointed a loser in Saul. Jesus appointed Judas iscariot...... so who are we to get it right every time? Tests come in all forms and can be exasperating. Some will lose faith because they put trust in men. (I know the truth and I know where I learnt it). Many top brothers may fall out and do bad things but my faith in the core truths are solid. Yes, there may still be shame in the pipeline as retro-active law suits are placed. That is inevitable and part of life as there are Judas' and Sauls everywhere who bring shame on Jehovahs name. He is not interested in reason or justice, just destruction. To win at all cost....... not the ideal kind of person to reason with...... why would he respect a human when he does not respect God?
  20. It is because you are looking for dogma or new rules or something like that. Not looking for the right stuff....... one can see and still be blind to something in front of you.. Truths are being refined to get us through Armageddon right now.........we are shedding the unnecessary stuff and weight and 'growing' in support and care of each other. As I said...... you are looking for the answers that can suit your agenda.
  21. Thanks for the compliment - you seem to take offence pretty quickly - which indicates a bit of an ego. I am not "brought in" ..... I butt in by my own free will..... and I do not need your permission.... lol. I just wish to remind you that I do have a different viewpoint to most people here (because I am African and we call a spade a spade) and while I do not have a debating spirit - I have never seen the need to "win" an argument - I have a viewpoint and an opinion which can enhance understanding from a different perspective - that is all. If you see no use in it that is your choice. And for your accusation about insults - I think you do pretty well at it yourself!
  22. If people do not understand what they learn they will later drop out. But I was speaking about so-called "educated" people. It is a myth that the educated expect solid evidence and make decisions on solid evidence - even evolution at higher education level is indoctrination and not based on facts. It is not a myth though that the teachings of trinity, immorality of the soul and hellfire originated in pagan religion and are not biblical teachings. These false teachings obscure the true value of the randsom sacrifice - the most important teaching in the bible. So if a person understands that Jesus put his soul in death and has faith in it, he is much better off than remaining in church teachings. His bible study has given him a chance to everlasting life.
  23. Who appointed you as judge? As for some of the rumours you talk about - some people's sexual "inclinations" - it remains rumour or ugly gossip. Deviant people are everywhere and they can remain undetected - then one has to gather evidence to convict. Getting evidence is the hardest part because it is your word against mine type of situation. Jesus could see in Judas's heart and saw a pattern in his behaviour before he betrayed him.......... BUT the example should warn us...... Judas was appointed by Jesus. His heart was good at the time of appointment. Jehovah himself appointed Saul as king because he saw his heart.......... what changed? Can these scenarios be repeated? If it can happen to God ..... do we ever have a chance at a "perfect" organization?...... What I learnt from the piece you wrote is that there were GB members who were removed... and some were shunned by others for domineering behaviour. .....so no-one is too powerful to NOT be held accountable to some degree. There were bad things happening which really tested the faithful brothers...... which (to me) sounds similar to the times of Israel. Israel was used by God but sometimes the conditions were very wicked and trying - especially for the faithful. Think how depressed Elijah became. Things written before for our encouragement and endurance. Look to jehovah in these times - not imperfect people. Fortunately I come from a family who do not look up to people yet I myself have made bad decisions by taking the wrong brothers too seriously. BuT it has taught me resilience....
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