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    JayDubya reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in BARBARA ANDERSON’S DIARY   
    https://watchtowerdocuments.org/barbara-andersons-diary/
    Barbara is truly a heroic individual to those of us who feel strongly about the abuses of Watchtower and seeing them brought to the light. Twenty years ago today, Barbara appeared on Dateline and launched the exposé uncovering the hidden documents the Watchtower was hiding regarding child sexual abuse. In doing so, Barbara sacrificed much – including the relationship with her only son. Below, is a never-before-published diary spanning the years from 2001-2022, when she aired her story on dateline. We want to thank Barbara for her legendary contributions in research and her continued focus on truth, justice, and taking a stand for what is right.
     
    FROM JANUARY 5, 2001 LEADING UP TO DATELINE AIRING MAY 28, 2002
    January 2001 Bill Bowen and I decided that we wanted news coverage about the Watchtower’s cover-up of child sexual abuse. We agreed that I would not go public right away.
    1-5-01 Friday. Bowen began to tell his story first to a Paducah, KY, newspaper editor. The paper carried his accusations that JWs leaders were covering up child sexual abuse. He appeared on local TV twice and never mentioned my name. After this, former JW Richard Rawe in Washington State, contacted the Louisville, KY, Courier Journal explaining to their Religion Editor, Peter Smith, JWs problems with child sexual abuse pointing to Bowen’s story in Paducah, KY. Smith expressed interest in doing an article.
    1-6-01 Saturday. Spoke to “Pinky” and Barbara Pandelos of NJ about their accusations that Watchtower covered up their child’s sexual abuse. They were interested in going public. (I’m losing my voice.)
    The whole article should be found on the link added. I'm only half way through reaading it as it came to me in an email this morning.
    Enjoy ! 
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    JayDubya reacted to Witness in WHERE ARE THE WOLVES IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING?   
    If the only path of eternal life is truth in God’s Word, why would one tolerate untruths? (John 1:17; 14:6; 17:17; 1 John 4:6; 2 Tim 2:15) 
    Once we fall into a truth-baited trap, finding we’ve been surrounded by the deep darkness of untruths, what happens? (Ps 140:5; Amos 3:5; Col 2:8; Rev 13:10; 2 Cor 6:14) 
    We either fold our hands and accept the good with the bad, as thousands have done so for the rest of their fleshly lives; or our heart condition is motivated at some point to know why – why would God teach His people doctrine that is revealed to be untrue; doctrine which men call repeatedly, “adjustments in understanding” and “new light”. (Isa 5:20,21; 50:11; Eph 5:6,11; Rev 2:2; Mal 3:18) 
    God would not condone untruths, and neither would Jesus Christ. (Num 23:19; Mark 7:7; 2 John 1:9; Heb 6:18) But men in the organization convinced us otherwise. (Gal 1:6-9) 
    Jesus, who established the foundation of the Temple of Truth, has always been straightforward in providing the light of God’s word for those who seek it. (John 2:19,21; John 14:6; 8:12; John 3:20,21;1 Cor 3:11; 1 Pet 2:5,6; 1 Cor 12:28; Eph 1:13;2:19,20; 1 John 4:6) 
    However, “wolves in sheep’s clothing”, who receive their powers of deception from the father of the lie, are responsible for setting the successful trap of confusion. (Ezek 22:27; Isa 3:12; 9:16;Matt 7:15; 24:23-26; Acts 20:29; John 8:44; 1 Tim 4:1,2; 2 Pet 2:1-3) 
    They claim their personal role and that of their organization, is to disseminate truth, and this work is approved by both God and Jesus Christ. (Matt 24:48-51; Rev 13:11,12) Yet, neither the Father nor the Son would abandon what was initially established on the body of Christ in the first century, in order to accommodate the lying doctrines and aspirations of men. (Matt 16:18;1 Cor 3:10; Col 1:5; Eph 2:20,21; 2 Tim 1:13; 2:2; 3:14) 
    Each doctrine and subsequent doctrinal change, is an obstacle to one’s spiritual growth. (Mark 9:42; 1 Cor 4:6; James 3:15; 1 Tim 6:3-5) 
    “I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them. For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive.” Rom 16:17,18
    In fact, the climate found in the organization reminds me of the air breathed when wildfires rage close to home. For days on end, the sun’s rays are obscured with smoke and ash. We may initially complain, but this obstacle is eventually accepted as an oppressive “normal”, and adaptations to continue in the daily routine are made. Our lungs and ensuing health suffer from inhaling harmful residue from the fires. In the organization, we adapted to the smoke and mirrors of deception and idolatry, contrived by the “ruler of the power of the air”. (Ezek 32:7; Isa 13:9,10; Joel 3:15; Eph 2:2; Rev 9:1,2) We were existing without the light of the “sun” – the light and truth of Christ’s teachings. We “breathed” in spirit-driven falsehoods, letting them settle into our hearts and placing our spiritual health in jeopardy. (Ps 5:9; Zech 8:17; Isa 29:13; Rev 16:13-16) 
    We didn’t realize that each doctrine established, is a clear sign that men have diverted from the Temple foundation of truth. (Jer 8:8-9; Matt 7:15-20; John 15:4,5; Col 2:3,4) 
    We were unaware that these false teachers appease their fleshly need for power over others, through the ‘sale’ of their false doctrines, while also exalting what they have built. (Exod 34:12-15; Isa 2:7,8; Hab 2:18; Rom 1:25; Rev 2:20;13:1,3-4,11,12,16,17) 
    We shared in the sins of their folly. (Jer 5:31; Isa 3:11;Prov 19:3; 1 Tim 6:9; Rev 14:9-11; 18:4-8) 
    “And you were dead in your trespasses and sins in which you previously walked according to the ways of this world, according to the ruler of the power of the air, the spirit now working in the sons of disobedience. We too all previously lived among them in our fleshly desires, carrying out the inclinations of our flesh and thoughts, and we were by nature children under wrath as the others were also” Eph 2:1-3
    The organization’s existence serves the spiritual thieving need for Satan to destroy the competition – those “kings of the earth” under Jesus Christ. (Rev 1:5;5:9,10) (Rev 13:5-7; 20:7-9) 
    Is it really true that the governing leaders would accommodate Satan’s driving passion to destroy God’s priests/kings? (Luke 4:5-7; 2 Cor 11:3,4,13-15; Heb 12:15,16; Rev 8:10,11)
    Well, it is not uncommon in the history of political rulership to witness corrupt men coming to power, only to rob and crush the poor and the needy. How much more so would Satan implement a plan to rob and crush the “remaining ones of the woman’s seed” under the façade of righteous acts, and using his ministers to carry it out? (Eccl 10:5-7; Jer 9:8; Isa 3:5,13-15; Zech 7:10; Hab 2:9,10; Jer 8:16; Joel 1:6,7;2 Thess 2:4,9,10; Rev 9:3,4,7,8,11; Rev 11:2; 12:13,15,17; 2 Cor 11:4,14,15) 
    Can you imagine Satan sitting back and allowing his kingdom to be destroyed, which without a doubt will happen when the Temple of living stones has reached completion? (Zech 4:6,7; Dan 2:34,35; 7:27; Rom 8:19-22) 
    No corrupt leader willingly gives up what he has built without a fight to protect his interests; and Satan’s only threat, is Jesus and the anointed members of his body. (1 John 5:19; Matt 28:18;:33; 1 Cor 15:25,26; Eph 6:12; Rev 12:7,10) 
    The traditional warring campaign is to target, capture and kill. Of course, this is Satan’s tactic against the kingdom heirs since he originated the plan. (Ezek 38:10,11; 1 Pet 5:8; Rev 20:7,8) If we analyze the organization’s drive to search out those who are called “honest-hearted ones”, (“the hearts of the naïve”), the realistic goal behind the deception, is to target the unsuspecting ones, and lead these individuals into the indoctrination of men, resulting in spiritual famine, disease and ultimate destruction. (Hos 4:1; Amos 8:11; Isa 32:6; 1 John 3:8) 
    Pearl Doxsey once said Satan “dredged the world to get anyone interested in the Bible.” Upon hearing this, I immediately thought of gold dredging in the high country of rivers and streams where I grew up. Many believe that this practice is destructive to stream life. I tend to agree that it can destroy spawning grounds of fish, diverting riverbeds from their natural course. From what I’ve learned, any man-made change that does not accommodate the natural flow of rivers, streams, small seasonal run-offs, and moisture from the heavens, constricts or prevents all established trees, plants and water life dependent on their natural setting, to continue thriving as they once were.
    A valuable “token” of Holy Spirit is deposited into each heart of one chosen by God through the anointing. (2 Cor 1:21,22; 1 Pet 2:9) Jesus compares the spirit of knowledge and truth, to “fine gold”. (John 14:15-17; Rev 3:18) 
    Each vessel chosen to do God’s will, should preserve the word of God, and teach it. (Mal 2:7; Matt 5:14-16; 1 Cor 4:1; 2 Cor 4:7; Eph 4:11,12; 1 Thess 2:4) Through their faithfulness and sacrifices of praise, the wisdom of God should grow within them. (Matt 25:14,19,21; Eph 2:10; 3:20; 4:15; Phil 1:6; Eph 1:7-10) 
    Jesus also compares the end harvest of the “sons of the kingdom”, to fish caught in a net. (Matt 13:37-39, 47,48; Jer16:16,17,18,15; 5:26; Hab 1:15-17) 
    These “sons”/anointed are God’s “possession”. (Exod 19:6; John 15:16; 1 Pet 2:9,10) 
    Through this fishing and dredging process, they became Satan’s captives, in time to halt the progress of further spiritual development of truth within themselves. (Heb 5:12-14) He halted the flow of “living water” that Jesus promised would come from the hearts of those who believe in him, and who remained attached to the “vine”/sap of Holy Spirit. (John 4:10; 7:38; 15:4; Jer 2:13)
    He successfully blocked their connection with their Master and Head, Jesus Christ, and introduced them to a new Master, under the covenant of death. (Eph 5:23; Col 2:19; Jer 8:18,19; Hos 17:10,13,16; Matt 24:24; Rev 13:11; 17:3; Isa 28:15,18) 
    Satan diverted the waters of life, preventing any who showed interest in the word of God to receive truth. (2 Chron 15:3; Mal 2:7; 1 Pet 2:5; 1 Cor 5:20; 2 Tim 2:15) He created his own poisoned waters, through his ministers, to the fatal harm of all who drink it in. (Rev 8:10,11) He prevented the members of Christ’s body to receive the “bread of life”, preventing their union as one body, “one loaf” sent by Christ to those hungry for truth. (John 6:35,50,51; Matt 10:40,41) 
    At his demand, God has allowed this testing by Satan to come upon the final remnant in the last days. (Luke 22:31; Jer 9:13-16; 2 Thess 2:9-12) 
    Pearl had mentioned that just as Herod went into Jerusalem to find the young Jesus and kill him, Satan has searched out those under the New Covenant in Christ – the anointed of “Jerusalem above”, to destroy with deceit. The “preaching work” of JWs, facilitated Satan’s plan. (Gal 4:26) 
    These counterfeit "witnesses" unwittingly go "door to door" with the bait....searching out the "firstborn sons" for Satan....
    that they might take the bait...becoming ensnared, enslaved, and "destroyed" before they have a chance to grow to sealed maturity (Eph.4:13; 1Cor.2:6; Gal.4:19)....just as the soldiers of Herod sought through every home in Ramah, to destroy the promised seed (Rev.12:17; Heb.12:23; Rev.14:4; 2Thess.2:13,14; Matt.2:16,17,18; Isa.49:21; Eze.14:22; 6:8; 7:16; 12:16) 
    Unfortunately, Satan did not care that innocent babies were killed in his rage (reflected in Herod) against the promised "seed" Jesus (Gal.3:16). Neither does he care, that interested Bible students are perishing from the poisonous waters he has unleashed to target the "seed" today (Gal.3:29,26; Rev.12:4,15,16,17).
    There is nothing superior about the indoctrination offered to the Bible students of "Jehovah's Witnesses".
    They are learning lies just as members of Christendom are learning lies.
    The only path to life, is Truth.
    Whether you are "babes" to doctrines of men, or babes to the real truth,
    the Great Tribulation will be a severe spiritual test, which most will not survive (Matt.24:22,24,13)...
    Not because the test is unfair, but because most of those of the learned and the unlearned,
    prefer the idolatrous lies (2Thess.2:9,10; Matt.7:13).
    For lovers of truth, all things are possible, including salvation. 
    https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2013/04/babes-and.html
     
    "Go to the ant, you sluggard;
    consider its ways and be wise!
    7 It has no commander,
    no overseer or ruler,
    8 yet it stores its provisions in summer
    and gathers its food at harvest.
    9 How long will you lie there, you sluggard?
    When will you get up from your sleep?
    10 A little sleep, a little slumber,
    a little folding of the hands to rest—
    11 and poverty will come on you like a thief
    and scarcity like an armed man." Prov 6
     
    "I went past the field of a sluggard,
    past the vineyard of someone who has no sense;
    31 thorns had come up everywhere,
    the ground was covered with weeds,
    and the stone wall was in ruins.
    32 I applied my heart to what I observed
    and learned a lesson from what I saw:
    33 A little sleep, a little slumber,
    a little folding of the hands to rest—
    34 and poverty will come on you like a thief
    and scarcity like an armed man." Prov 24
    Jer 8:13; Hos 8:7,8; Isa 50:2; Rev 18:8 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Jer+8%3A13%3B+Hos+8%3A7%2C8%3B+Isa+50%3A2%3B+Rev+18%3A8 &version=NIV
     
    The temple of God’s dwelling where truth could be found in a united anointed priesthood of “living stones”, (1 Pet 2:5) is in symbolic ruins in the organization. (Matt 24:2; Luke 19:41-44) Thorns and briars have taken over. (Dan 11:36,37; Ezek 2:6; 2 Thess 2:4; Rev 11:2; 13:7) The saints are scattered among the nations, but that doesn’t mean that a “restoration” work is impossible. (Eph 2:4-10) It is happening now. As Pearl said, “For lovers of truth, all things are possible, including salvation.” (Ezek 34:12; Isa 50:10; 52:1,2; Eph 5:14-16; Jer 31:10,11;16; Isa 10:20) 
     
    Leave the organization if you haven’t already done so! And if you have left, help as many as you can to leave the abyss of deep darkness behind.
     
    "If you falter in a time of trouble,
    how small is your strength!
    11 Rescue those being led away to death;
    hold back those staggering toward slaughter.
    12 If you say, “But we knew nothing about this,”
    does not he who weighs the heart perceive it?
    Does not he who guards your life know it?
    Will he not repay everyone according to what they have done?" Prov 24
     

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    JayDubya reacted to TrueTomHarley in Jim Bakker reports that because credit card processing companies have cut off his ministry, his network will be "totally financially broke" within two weeks if they don't get a bunch of donations by check soon.   
    I can’t stand this guy. His manner is simply nauseating. Pour on the syrup or what? He turned my stomach then, he turns it now.
    But I also suspect the stuff he is selling probably works—to call it a ‘cure’ is too much, but to say it helps—i would go along with that. If I recall it is silver colloidal something or other and that is a mixture that many swear by.
    It is not that he hawks something that gets me. It is that he so throughly mixes it with his role as ‘evangelist.’ It is as though the Circuit Overseer had a line of goods that he sold at the Assembly Hall—and you couldn’t get into the place without passing his booth by.
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    JayDubya reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in SPECIAL TALK APRIL 2020.   
    My wife and i sat and watched this Special Talk on Sunday 5th April 2020
    In honesty I thought it was a bit weak, but I suppose it was for 'people of the world', or was it to convince the congregants ?
    However the stupidity of starting the talk with the idea of comparing to other religions and their morality. 
    Come on, even some of you have said CSA is everywhere, in all religions. And divorce, and fornication. 
    The CCJW is not seen as the clean religion standing out above other religions anymore. It is rather naive to think that the public find the CCJW cleaner or with higher moral standards. Or was it aimed at JWs ? Who really was he trying to convince? 
    And the second failure was the 'picture of the GB etc'. The speaker makes the point that Jesus is the leader, which of course is good. But then he shows this picture of the GB and others as if the picture is from God. He was using scripture, great, but then this picture, as if it came from the same source. 
    Anyone that was convinced by it must be very naive or lack intelligence. And the excuse cannot be that God and Christ use the less intellectual, because the Bible tells us to make sure of all things. The speaker did not use any scripture in relation to the picture, but tried to convince people that just because it was in that picture it must be true. How totally uninspired is that ?  A picture of Christ above the GB, above others in the CCJW. with no scriptural backing. 
    And then he went on to ask 'How would you show how you accept Christ's leadership ? ' He follows this by quoting Matthew 16 v 24, to disown oneself and follow Christ. 
    But that in no way proves that the CCJW are the way to go. It says to follow Jesus Christ. 
    One last point, he mentions the Great Crowd 'described in Revelation' but once again NO scripture. 
    A very poor talk with very little basis and even less scripture. It really showed a lack of God's Holy Spirit. 
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    JayDubya reacted to Anna in Meetings canceled in Sweden   
    Ummmm.......no.
    The congregations are only following the recommendations or orders from secular authorities who have good reasons for giving these orders for the health and safety of its citizens. I can't understand why anyone would think that JWs are somehow going to think it does not apply to them??
    As soon as the authorities say it's ok to gather again, we will resume the meetings. It's not rocket science....
     
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    JayDubya reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in Meetings canceled in Sweden   
    Very simple ... hold the Memorial in people's homes, limited in size to whatever is determined to be safe ..
    I see no problem with 20 Memorials of 15 people, per Congregation.
    It does not have to be one hour.
    It can be one paragraph of commentary read, with a prayer at both ends.
    15 minutes.
    Tops!
    My guess is that the original Memorial (reading from Luke), was SHORTER than 10 minutes.
    ...and only had 12 people present !
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    JayDubya reacted to JW Insider in JW OPPOSERS GROUPS   
    And some allow for a dry application. Mennen women, to be Sure, usually kept their deodorant brands a Secret, to some Degree, because, you know, Mums* the word. [Don't Axe, don't smell.]
    (*I always wondered how well the Mum brand would work in the UK.)
    There, have we reached 101 topics in one, yet?
     
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    JayDubya reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in JW OPPOSERS GROUPS   
    Somehow, when I visualize being banned, I think of Roll-on Deodorant.
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    JayDubya reacted to JW Insider in Need advice: Is this too suggestive for JWs if I wanted to start writing short stories?   
    For anyone who didn't understand the joke, the excerpt I put in the original post was actually taken from a 1987 Watchtower. It's from an article written by Brother Fred Franz, giving a part of his own life experience:
    *** w87 5/1 p. 24 Looking Back Over 93 Years of Living ***
    One Saturday night in the spring of 1913, Albert had gone to bed early in the dormitory of the YMCA, where he was living while working in Chicago. Later, his roommate burst into the room to explain a difficulty. He was invited that night to the home of a Mr. and Mrs. Hindman, and their daughter Nora was to have a girlfriend there at the house. Two girls would be too much for Albert’s roommate to handle by himself. With alacrity, Albert rose to the occasion. During the course of the evening, Albert’s roommate was getting along quite famously with the two young ladies. But Mr. and Mrs. Hindman concentrated on Albert . . .
    I often heard Brother Franz speak to the Bethel family for up to half-an-hour at a time, over a period of several years in the late 1970's and early 1980's. He often seemed pleased with himself that he could get away with sometimes coarse talk and even "suggestive" language, that no one else would ever even attempt in front of an audience.
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    JayDubya got a reaction from James Thomas Rook Jr. in Newly Revised Elders Manual and Addendum Printing October 2019   
    2019-Oct-Shepherd-The-Flock-of-God-sfl_E.pdf 2019-Addendum-to-Shepherd-Book-sfla-E_Bi.pdf
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    JayDubya got a reaction from Foreigner in JW Broadcasting Gone   
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    JayDubya reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in Need advice: Is this too suggestive for JWs if I wanted to start writing short stories?   
    ...and for those Brothers and Sisters that I have not already stumbled, and who have cast themselves into a fiery pit of outrageous indignation, here is a racist depiction of illegal aliens ......
     
    Sesame Street_ The Martians Discover a Telephone.mp4
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    JayDubya reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in An Elder of Jehovah's Witnesses sexually abused a 12-year-old girl | The judges' ruling was unanimous | Minimum sentence is 195 and maximum 260 years | Honduras.   
    Sometimes, when a Judge's ruling is not unanimous (referring to the headline ...) the Judge's body twists around at the waist and both feet face backwards., and one arm flaps like a wounded bird trying to fly.
    What?
    Judges'?
    Oh............
    Nevermind.
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    JayDubya reacted to Jack Ryan in An Elder of Jehovah's Witnesses sexually abused a 12-year-old girl | The judges' ruling was unanimous | Minimum sentence is 195 and maximum 260 years | Honduras.   
    Preacher had multiple rape allegations
    May 26, 2017
    Their victims are girls between the ages of 12 and 13. The authorities have not disclosed to which congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses the accused belongs.
    More than five rape complaints filed by children between the ages of 12 and 13 had the prosecution against Roger Abraham Flores Diaz (45), the Jehovah's Witness preacher arrested last night in San Pedro Sula, authorities said.
    Flores Diaz was arrested in Barrio El Centro by agents from Agencia Técnica de Investigación Criminal (ATIC), where he had a cell phone business. According to the authorities, he deceived the girls by offering them money.
    Agents reported that the detainee is charged with the crime of special rape to the detriment of several minors.
    Although the rape complaint was filed by a single person (protected witness), the authorities also investigate other complaints against him for the same crime.
    So far, the authorities have not disclosed to which congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses the accused belongs.
    Source:
    https://www.oncenoticias.hn/video-predicador-tenia-multiples-denuncias-por-violacion/
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    JayDubya reacted to Jack Ryan in An Elder of Jehovah's Witnesses sexually abused a 12-year-old girl | The judges' ruling was unanimous | Minimum sentence is 195 and maximum 260 years | Honduras.   
    https://www.laprensa.hn/sucesos/1316580-410/exlíder-religioso-culpable-violacion-niña-testigos-de-jehova
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    JayDubya reacted to Jack Ryan in THE 2019 SHEPHERD THE FLOCK OF GOD BOOK   
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    JayDubya reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in THE 2019 SHEPHERD THE FLOCK OF GOD BOOK   
    wow!
    It's been NINE years since the first "Shepherd the Flock Of God" Elder's handbook came out, that was so top secret that non-elders were forbidden to read it, and sisters were not even allowed  to touch it, and to this day, most Jehovah's Witnesses are not aware that the book even exists.  At the same time copies were given to the Finnish Department of Justice, and the Department of Education, and the Australian Royal Commission on Child Abuse.
    Here it is 2019, and the latest 2019 version is out, available all over the Internet in PDF format, but I have not had a chance to read it yet.    
    I still do not know what all the top secret hub-bub was about .... I read the 2010 version and the subsequent updates, and found it a fine publication that ALL Jehovah's Witnesses would benefit from reading.
    I did not mention I knew of the 2010 version's existence until they started giving out copies to lots of government officials, my reasoning being that the Society had thereby "declassified" it.
    Does anybody know if the Society has given the OK for the general Brotherhood to read this book, by which we are governed?
    Can any Brother or Sister at the Kingdom Hall request, and get a copy?
    I will ask at my Weekend Meeting, in two days, and let you know what I have found out.
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    JayDubya reacted to Jack Ryan in TO ALL FIELD SERVICE GROUP OVERSEERS Re: Auxiliary Pioneering in March 2019   
    Nowhere near as strong as 60 years ago...

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    JayDubya reacted to JW Insider in JW Broadcasting—September 2019   
    For its purpose, this was probably the best article on the MT vs LXX I have ever seen.
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    JayDubya reacted to Jack Ryan in JW Broadcasting—September 2019   
    The significance of this is speculation is whether the flood occurred before or after the building of the Pyramids.
    It's a game changer for Watchtower teachings.
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    JayDubya reacted to Jack Ryan in JW Broadcasting—September 2019   
    David Splane and Doing the Math
    Do the Math
    In the September JW Broadcast David Splane gave a talk on the above title. In it he raised the question whether Noah and Abraham knew each other. He claims that doing the math could help you answer that question. He begins by stating that, according to Insight on the Scriptures, we know for a fact the flood occurred in 2370 B.C.E. He lived for 350 years after the flood so that means he died in 2020 B.C.E. Abram entered Canaan in 1943 B.C.E. At the time he is 75 years old. Add 75 to 1943 means Abram was born in 2018 B.C.E. so, doing the math helps us to establish that Abram was born 2 years after Noah died.
    In Genesis Chapter 11, it gives a genealogy from Shem all the way down to Abram.
    And it says how old each person was when their son was born. It says that Arpachshad was 35 when his son was born, and Shelah was 30 when his son was born. But what David Splane did not take into consideration is that modern translations of the Bible are translated from the Hebrew Masoretic text, which is not the original Hebrew. But rather, a copy of the Hebrew, called the Leningrad Codex, which was produced in the 11th century A.D. But the Greek Septuagint was translated more than 1,000 years before, in 250 B.C., and would not have been translated from the Hebrew on which the Masoretic Text was based. But rather, from an older Hebrew text, which is no longer available. The Samaritan Pentateuch also pre-dates the Masoretic text and would also have referenced an older copy of the Hebrew. The Jewish historian Josephus agrees with both the Septuagint and the Samaritan Pentateuch.
    In the Greek Septuagint it says that Arphaxad was 135. And it says that Shelah was 130. The Greek Septuagint has an extra 100 years on those ages in the six generations from Arphaxad down to Serug. Also, the Masoretic text says that Nahor was 29 years old when he fathered Terah Abrams father. The Septuagint says he was 79.
    The Greek Septuagint has an extra 100 years on each one of those ages. But it's not just the Greek Septuagint. The Samaritan Pentateuch includes those extra hundred years and so does Flavius Josephus. That means there is an extra 650 years of history between Arpachshad and Serug. Noah lived 350 years after the flood. (Gen.9:28) Arpachshad was born 2 years after the flood. (Gen. 11:10) According to the Septuagint:
    Arphaxad 135 years until Shelah
    Shelah 130 years until Eber
    Eber 134 years until Phalek
    Phalek 130 years until Ragau
    Ragau 132 years until Serouch
    Serouch 130 years until Nachor
    Nachor 79 years until Thara
    Thara 27 years until Abram
    Adding the above gives us a total of 897 years between Arphaxad and Abram. Adding two years between Arphaxad and the flood gives us 899 years. Subtracting 350 years of Noah’s life after the flood means Noah died, not two years according to Splane, but 549 years before Abram was born. This is the result if you “do the math” based on the Septuagint.
    Interestingly, accepting these figures calls into question another statement of David Splane. In a previous broadcast he commented on the age of the Sphinx as dated to 2,550 B.C.E. by historians being wrong because it conflicted with the Bible account of the flood. But that’s only if you accept the Masoretic text figures as being correct.
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    JayDubya reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in I'm worried about a 'brother' recently reinstated spending too much time with my grandchildren   
    Love Never Fails.
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    Remember the Elders that counseled Job for three days?  After three days they had said NOTHING of value, worth recording in what later became Scripture.
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