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Melinda Mills

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    Melinda Mills got a reaction from JW Insider in Suicide. God's view. Organisation's view   
    He (Tom Henry) probably used "some" in his explanation because the scripture says all unrighteousness is sin.  The scriptures also show that there is a sin that incurs death and that we would not expect God to cover over. (See Hebrews 10;26) Therefore the apostle John said not to make request about that kind of sin.  That is permanent death.
    (1 John 5:16, 17) 16 If anyone catches sight of his brother committing a sin that does not incur death, he will ask, and God will give life to him, yes, to those not committing sin that incurs death. There is a sin that does incur death. It is concerning that sin that I do not tell him to make request. 17 All unrighteousness is sin, and yet there is a sin that does not incur death.
    (Hebrews 10:26) For if we practice sin willfully after having received the accurate knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice for sins left,...
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    This is what I gather about suicide or self murder from my research in the Bible itself.
    (Genesis 9:6) 6 Anyone shedding man’s blood, by man will his own blood be shed, for in God’s image He made man.
     (Proverbs 28:17) 17 A man burdened with bloodguilt for taking someone’s life will keep fleeing until the grave. Let no one support him.
     Both of these remedies would be difficult to achieve for a man taking his own life. So there is a difference in taking your own life and taking someone else’s life.
    So it boils down to the same thing - you have to leave it to God.
    God knows whether it is forgivable or whether it is willful and wanton, disrespecting the Creator and life itself.
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    Melinda Mills got a reaction from Anna in Suicide. God's view. Organisation's view   
    He (Tom Henry) probably used "some" in his explanation because the scripture says all unrighteousness is sin.  The scriptures also show that there is a sin that incurs death and that we would not expect God to cover over. (See Hebrews 10;26) Therefore the apostle John said not to make request about that kind of sin.  That is permanent death.
    (1 John 5:16, 17) 16 If anyone catches sight of his brother committing a sin that does not incur death, he will ask, and God will give life to him, yes, to those not committing sin that incurs death. There is a sin that does incur death. It is concerning that sin that I do not tell him to make request. 17 All unrighteousness is sin, and yet there is a sin that does not incur death.
    (Hebrews 10:26) For if we practice sin willfully after having received the accurate knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice for sins left,...
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    This is what I gather about suicide or self murder from my research in the Bible itself.
    (Genesis 9:6) 6 Anyone shedding man’s blood, by man will his own blood be shed, for in God’s image He made man.
     (Proverbs 28:17) 17 A man burdened with bloodguilt for taking someone’s life will keep fleeing until the grave. Let no one support him.
     Both of these remedies would be difficult to achieve for a man taking his own life. So there is a difference in taking your own life and taking someone else’s life.
    So it boils down to the same thing - you have to leave it to God.
    God knows whether it is forgivable or whether it is willful and wanton, disrespecting the Creator and life itself.
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    Melinda Mills reacted to Outta Here in JW OPPOSERS GROUPS   
    "Better use of dedicated funds" is a phrase I hear frequently. Isn't that more appropriate? "Saving" money implies hoarding it up somewhere. I think we are more in the business of using resources aren't we?. Compare Matt.25:24-27 😊
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    Melinda Mills reacted to Outta Here in Suicide. God's view. Organisation's view   
    This viewpoint is personal and not only unreasonable, but unscriptural.  In fact, it is also out of line with Jehovah's Witnesses thinking by at least 29 years. As Melinda above said, do your own research in the theocratic literature, and avoid some of the clumsy blundering presented by cleverdicks more interested in their own opinions
    *** g90 9/8 p. 23 Suicides—A Resurrection? ***
    Stunned friends of a suicide victim may thus take comfort in knowing that “Jehovah has shown mercy to those fearing him. For he himself well knows the formation of us, remembering that we are dust.” (Psalm 103:10-14) Only God can fully understand the role of mental sickness, extreme stress, even genetic defects, in a “suicidal crisis,” which, the National Observer noted, “is not a lifetime characteristic [but] often a matter only of minutes or of hours.”—See Ecclesiastes 7:7.
    Granted, one who takes his own life deprives himself of the opportunity to repent of his self-murder. But who can say whether one driven to suicide might have had a change of heart had his fatal attempt failed? Some notorious murderers have, in fact, changed and earned God’s forgiveness during their lifetime.—2 Kings 21:16; 2 Chronicles 33:12, 13.
    Thus, Jehovah, having paid “a ransom in exchange for many,” is within his right to extend mercy, even to some self-murderers, by resurrecting them and giving them the precious opportunity to “repent and turn to God by doing works that befit repentance.”—Matthew 20:28; Acts 26:20.
     
    *** g00 2/22 pp. 6-7 Given a Desire to Live ***
    Yet, never forget that Jehovah God raises up the dead and that this might well include our loved ones who because of depression, mental illness, or despair took their own lives.—See “The Bible’s Viewpoint: Suicides—A Resurrection?” in Awake! of September 8, 1990, pages 22-3.
    While suicide cannot be justified, it is comforting to remember that the future prospects of our loved ones rest with a God who fully understands that weaknesses and frailties could push one to such desperate action. The Bible says of Jehovah: “As the heavens are higher than the earth, his loving-kindness is superior toward those fearing him. As far off as the sunrise is from the sunset, so far off from us he has put our transgressions. As a father shows mercy to his sons, Jehovah has shown mercy to those fearing him. For he himself well knows the formation of us, remembering that we are dust.”—Psalm 103:11-14.
     
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    Melinda Mills got a reaction from James Thomas Rook Jr. in Suicide. God's view. Organisation's view   
    Ask your elders about the list of decisions at the last  Annual Meeting.  Don't think anything about suicide was in that list.
     
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    Melinda Mills got a reaction from JW Insider in Suicide. God's view. Organisation's view   
    Don't think it is new light. Don't be disturbed by anything you hear. Start doing research.  It is easy when you are on the computer.
    People in the organization always used to think one would not get a resurrection if they committed suicide. However, please read  the powerful statement mentioned at the end of this answer to a question from readers (in 2002). Go to the article and read it in full. Continue to do research.
     
    *** w02 6/15 p. 30 Questions From Readers ***
    Questions From Readers
    If someone commits suicide, would it be advisable for a Christian minister to give the funeral talk?
    ….
    Any future prospect for the dead is in the hands of Jehovah, and no one is in a position to say whether the deceased will be resurrected or not. The minister can concentrate on the Bible truths about death and offer comfort for the bereaved." End Quote
     
    Underscoring = mine
     
     
     
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    Melinda Mills reacted to Anna in Suicide. God's view. Organisation's view   
    No new light, just the elder's opinion, and not a very good one at that. It still stands that Jehovah will be the judge as he knows the reasons and circumstance.
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    Melinda Mills got a reaction from Anna in Suicide. God's view. Organisation's view   
    Ask your elders about the list of decisions at the last  Annual Meeting.  Don't think anything about suicide was in that list.
     
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    Melinda Mills got a reaction from 4Jah2me in Suicide. God's view. Organisation's view   
    Ask your elders about the list of decisions at the last  Annual Meeting.  Don't think anything about suicide was in that list.
     
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    Melinda Mills reacted to 4Jah2me in Suicide. God's view. Organisation's view   
    Thank you, i have read this already, but it isn't very recent.. My main point was to find out if the Governing Body / Writing Dept' has very recently written anything new regarding suicide. In the last 6 month maybe ? 
    My personal feelings are that God, through Jesus Christ, will resurrect all those that they find worthy. And that 'worthiness' cannot be judged by any human. Thanks again.
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    Melinda Mills got a reaction from 4Jah2me in Suicide. God's view. Organisation's view   
    Don't think it is new light. Don't be disturbed by anything you hear. Start doing research.  It is easy when you are on the computer.
    People in the organization always used to think one would not get a resurrection if they committed suicide. However, please read  the powerful statement mentioned at the end of this answer to a question from readers (in 2002). Go to the article and read it in full. Continue to do research.
     
    *** w02 6/15 p. 30 Questions From Readers ***
    Questions From Readers
    If someone commits suicide, would it be advisable for a Christian minister to give the funeral talk?
    ….
    Any future prospect for the dead is in the hands of Jehovah, and no one is in a position to say whether the deceased will be resurrected or not. The minister can concentrate on the Bible truths about death and offer comfort for the bereaved." End Quote
     
    Underscoring = mine
     
     
     
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    Melinda Mills got a reaction from ComfortMyPeople in Suicide. God's view. Organisation's view   
    Don't think it is new light. Don't be disturbed by anything you hear. Start doing research.  It is easy when you are on the computer.
    People in the organization always used to think one would not get a resurrection if they committed suicide. However, please read  the powerful statement mentioned at the end of this answer to a question from readers (in 2002). Go to the article and read it in full. Continue to do research.
     
    *** w02 6/15 p. 30 Questions From Readers ***
    Questions From Readers
    If someone commits suicide, would it be advisable for a Christian minister to give the funeral talk?
    ….
    Any future prospect for the dead is in the hands of Jehovah, and no one is in a position to say whether the deceased will be resurrected or not. The minister can concentrate on the Bible truths about death and offer comfort for the bereaved." End Quote
     
    Underscoring = mine
     
     
     
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    Melinda Mills reacted to 4Jah2me in Suicide. God's view. Organisation's view   
    I was in conversation with an elder last week (or maybe two weeks ago) and I don't quite know how we got onto the topic but we started talking about suicide. I was a bit surprised when he said "But don't commit suicide or you will not get a resurrection". 
    I was wondering where exactly this information comes from. Having recovered from the shock, I have since emailed this elder and got no response. I have looked on JW Org and read a couple of older articles on there, but they seemed to say that it is or was not their place to judge, which i agree with. 
    So, is there 'new light' on the subject of suicide ? If so where does this new light come from ? And what scriptures back up this 'new light' ?
    I will willingly read any recent articles that are passed on to me, as this latest information, if it is true, i find disturbing. I know of many people that have committed suicide, both inside and outside of the Jehovah's Witnesses Organisation. 
     
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    Melinda Mills got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in JW OPPOSERS GROUPS   
    Who is the moderator? This topic should be closed.
     
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    Melinda Mills reacted to Arauna in JW OPPOSERS GROUPS   
    I agree with you. ......
    Unfortunately, to want control other humans is morally wrong.  Most apostates here do not like any form of control over them  - even when it comes from God...... who actually is the only one who has the right to prescribe one set of principles for all. We are all meant to be equal under God. If every person sets their own rules there will never be peace and unity.
    When a human wants to control anything about another human - he is showing satanic qualities. We never should try to control anything which belongs to, or is part of another human.  Total freedom and equality under God - this is the goal.  This is respect for another human's free will to choose what they want.
    Unfortunately, some Witnesses are imperfect in their love and still tend to like to control others without respect for their free will.  Jehovah even allows those who oppose him to express their free will.
    In future in paradise, all people will willingly subject themselves to Jehovah and his standards in free will.  They will never try to tell another person  what to do because all will be totally free and equal under God.
    Society will then function perfectly because the law of love will prevail. No laws are necessary if one truly loves others.  One will not covet anything which is another's or take anything from them or dominate them in an way by being egotistical, selfish or greedy.
    Jehovah will step into mankind"s affairs when humans have reached a point of totalitarian domination - soon they will use our modern technology (our arrogant achievements) to dominate mankind in a most unjust way....... history of mankind (estranged from god) repeating itself. 
    By the way, I watch China and Russia (allies) as fulfillment of the prophecies in Daniel 11 :40 onward.   Soon we will see the worst domination on earth mankind has ever experienced...... if jehovah does not step in ...no flesh will be saved.   We have reached the apex of our tech achievements and like everything else .... our tendency to dominate (imperfection) will bring this dire situation about.
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    Melinda Mills reacted to Arauna in JW OPPOSERS GROUPS   
    I am fully aware of my inadequacies and the futility of wasting my time here..... also another kind of OCD ? Lol
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    Melinda Mills got a reaction from Anna in JW OPPOSERS GROUPS   
    Who is the moderator? This topic should be closed.
     
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    Melinda Mills got a reaction from JW Insider in JW OPPOSERS GROUPS   
    Didn't realize how good that sentence was.  "But some names stick". 
    You didn't mention the one James alluded to. You weren't Banned, why?
    Yes, 101 topics in one.
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    Melinda Mills reacted to Arauna in JW OPPOSERS GROUPS   
    READ up about  China: it gives behaviour points to it citizens.  If they have the wrong friends, jaywalking, or say anything against the government - they cannot buy a train or plane ticket. It is getting so bad that foreigners are leaving the country in droves  Big brother surveillance with weaponized  G5 technology is the reason. They have 1 million muslims in concentration camps - separated from their children who are getting propaganda re-training every day. Most religions are now being persecuted in China clamping down on meetings.
    This weaponized surveillance with G5 us slowly being implemented in the entire West. (EU, Canada, USA, Australia etc) as well.  If you do not already know it - the fact that you are a JW already makes you an enemy of the new surveillance state that is on its way.
    The UN is already ruling like an "image" or shadow underneath most of these governments because (176) countries has signed all the UN agreements which gives it power. ....... and next year the Pope is signing a new pact with Islam and Jewish religion - which cuts out Christ Jesus out of the future world religion.
    Do not worry to lose your access to internet.  It is better you are not too active on it now because Google has already got a profile on every person in the west. 
    What I am saying here is not far-fetched .  Very ugly things waiting for the world and is being implemented under our noses.  Leave these opposers of JWs to themselves and rather strengthen yourself for the tribulation which is around the corner.
    Do not take their insults personally..... or their retaliatory actions. ..... really not worth it. There are more important things to know about and prepare for now.
    Read Daniel 11:40 onward.  Trade wars going on between king of north and south and Russia and China want to control the trade of the world......we do not have as long as we think.
     
     
     
    Google and Amazon are doing AI research 
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    Melinda Mills reacted to JW Insider in JW OPPOSERS GROUPS   
    And some allow for a dry application. Mennen women, to be Sure, usually kept their deodorant brands a Secret, to some Degree, because, you know, Mums* the word. [Don't Axe, don't smell.]
    (*I always wondered how well the Mum brand would work in the UK.)
    There, have we reached 101 topics in one, yet?
     
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    Melinda Mills reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in JW OPPOSERS GROUPS   
    Somehow, when I visualize being banned, I think of Roll-on Deodorant.
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    Melinda Mills got a reaction from Outta Here in Ripple Effect by Tie Bros   
    (1 Corinthians 6:18) . . .Every other sin that a man may commit is outside his body, but whoever practices sexual immorality is sinning against his own body.
    First the person sins against his own body. 
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    Melinda Mills got a reaction from JW Insider in JW OPPOSERS GROUPS   
    One hundred subjects in one? I think we had a topic on what Jesus looked like already.
     
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    Melinda Mills reacted to Arauna in JW OPPOSERS GROUPS   
    My "spiritual insight" on this is that it is  "much ado about old shoes"...... a useless exercise
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    Melinda Mills reacted to JW Insider in JW OPPOSERS GROUPS   
    I know what you mean. Most of the time when a person puts up a post that goes to a different topic, it's not that serious and they don't intend to create an in-depth discussion of that new topic. But Anna quoted something from another website with enough material in it to make 100 posts the length of this one.
    For example, if I mention mad cow disease as an aside, I know that JTR, for example, just might be able to find a video about cows that are arming themselves with guns for some kind of revolution, or something. But I doubt that this means JTR wants to discuss either mad cow disease or the advisability of allowing four-legged creatures to have arms.

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