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  1. Huh. It would be a miracle if you "left" your faith in the organization. But, marvelous things do happen. I have full confidence in knowing the answer to this question. “After this many of his disciples turned back and no longer walked with him. 67 So Jesus said to the twelve, “Do you want to go away as well?”68 Simon Peter answered him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? John 6:66-68 Sigh... I fear you may not know the right answer, since your leaders always throw you a curve ball. It’s interesting how those who turn to Jesus Christ, once leaving the WT, speak about Christ, not feeling the need to continually back up his words with “organization” or, “faithful and discreet slave”. Does God reject them for doing so? Will they survive WT's rendition of Armageddon? They are "killed" by your leaders for following Jesus Christ. Rev 13:15; 11:7 These are the things I know.
  2. If I have an opportunity to share truth, I will. I know you are not the only fish in the pond who comes here to read. Matt 13:47-50 Besides, wasn't it you who kept asking me questions and resurrecting a recent thread?
  3. Maybe you were, maybe you weren't. Just in case you were... What I “preach” about concerns the condition of “craftiness” that you and the anointed ones live under. Personally, I feel relief knowing that I can now approach God and Jesus without anyone telling me how to do it. This is what God wants for us, an authentic personal relationship with Him and His Son. It's called stepping out of the darkness and into the light of Christ. John 8:12; 1:4,5; 2 Cor 4:6; 1 Pet 2:9 My disfellowshipping was a spiritual “killing” for “apostasy”. I was told if ever I changed my mind, I would be considered for reinstatement, which is such a laughable proposition. I would be reinstated into an organization. I would not be "returning to Jehovah" because God and the organization are two different entities. Isa 46:5 One, is a practicing lie under the presence of the “man of lawlessness”. Matt 24:15; 2 Thess 2:3,4 It is a "god of fortress" set up by a "king" who rules over spiritual Zion, the true Temple of God. It is a "god unknown to his ancestors", that "he will honor with gold and silver, with precious stones and costly gifts." Dan 11:38 The organization is the "different" Beast, that arises to trample the anointed ones. God's chosen people have never had to face anything like it, until now. Dan 7:7; Rev 13:1,2,7 It holds authority over the "saints"...and you. If you would just open your spiritual eyes… 2 Thess 2 Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters, 2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us— (apostles, with whom many JWs compare with the GB) whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come. (1914) 3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, (the anointed ones 1 Cor 3:16,17) proclaiming himself to be God. God's Temple is not "Jehovah's spiritual temple", otherwise known as the organization - that "different" Beast. It is in the hearts of the anointed ones. 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22 5 Don’t you remember that when I was with you I used to tell you these things? 6 And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time. 7 For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie,10 and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.11 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 12 and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness. 2 Thess 2:1-12 Before God's people have ever suffered destruction, He revealed His message to His servants and sent them to warn His people of their pending doom. “Surely the Lord GOD does nothing, unless He reveals His secret to His servants the prophets” Amos 3:7 These servants were considered the one's telling the lie by the majority of the people. They were viewed as crazy, with a message of little use. Think of all the prophets God sent and the people's reactions. "They say to the seers, 'See no more visions!' and to the prophets, 'Give us no more visions of what is right! Tell us pleasant things, prophesy illusions.'" Isa 30:10 Revelation is a book that God reveals to His servants (the anointed ones) who care to heed it's message. Rev 3:18 It is a warning message concerning the sins of God's holy people, just as He has made known when His people fell into sin throughout the ages. Rev 1:1 Your leaders offer you a spiritual paradise of peace and security. This is their "prophetic" message. Jeremiah dealt with this same issue among Israel. "The dress the wound of my people as though it were not serious. "Peace, peace", they say, when there is no peace". Jer 8:11 Look around you, can't you see there really is no peace in the organization? It cannot save you from the nations as God did for His people when they obeyed His directions. Isa 48:18 If you had eyes that were open to the sins committed by God's people you would see the lie for what it actually is. You would understand that you "serve the lie." Now, brothers and sisters, about times and dates we do not need to write to you, 2 for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. 3 While people are saying, “Peace and safety,” destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape. 1 Thess 5:1-3 By the way, God doesn't choose the prominent ones to get His message across. He chooses the despised ones, those least expected to carry His message. 1 Cor 4:13 But, of course, those who are despised are viewed as the haughty ones, while those who are held in "high esteem", get away with murder. Gal 2:6; John 16:2-4; Matt 5:11,12; Rev 13: 11,12,15; 11:1-3,7-10 I am not surprised at what you think about me. I also am not surprised at how you value the GB who have successfully pulled the wool over your eyes. Matt 23:12
  4. So, are you comparing the apostles to the governing body and the organization? Just asking. I agree with scripture, there is “nothing new under the sun”, except for its magnitude in the last days.
  5. While pointing to a physical mountain (Samaria), Jesus said no longer would centralized worship take place, because God is looking for those who worship in spirit and truth. (John chapter 4) Obviously, there were true, faithful believers since Christ who took his words to heart and built their faith on his teachings, for the larger part of 2,000 years. Along comes the Watchtower and changes everything. Salvation becomes the organization. The centralized worship of the organization staunchly expects loyalty and dedication to it, and its leadership. Why did the words Christ spoke to the woman at the well become valueless? Because men were inspired by a spirit other than that of God. Matt 24:24; Rev 13:11,15
  6. I do, and I realize that at least you wear your heart on your sleeve; while the GB members feign piety as they direct each person who resists their headship when choosing Christ instead, to be cut off from all family and friends...and marked as "dead". This also includes those who know that a lie is always a lie, and truth is always truth. John 15:16 Little does the GB realize how this can relieve the oppressive load men put on men for their selfish gain. Matt 5:10,11; 10:39; 19:29; John 16:2; Matt 13:22; 2 Tim 4:3; Rev 13:15; Jer 6:13
  7. It is very disheartening to see how you degrade people, more so than any person I have ever met; whether they are your "brothers" or your enemies. Each one receives the same degradation as the next. I am never disappointed in how you fulfill that role. Biblical laws are the Word of God in Christ. I follow Christ; you follow men. I think you mean I have broken men's laws that you perceive as coming from Jesus Christ. This is called blind slavery to men's lust for power. 2 Cor 4:4 Don’t you know that if you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of that one you obey—either of sin leading to death or of obedience leading to righteousness? Rom 6:16 You were bought at a price; do not become slaves of people. 1 Cor 7:23 knowing that you will receive the reward of an inheritance from the Lord. You serve the Lord Christ. Col 3:24 For am I now trying to persuade people, or God? Or am I striving to please people? If I were still trying to please people, I would not be a servant of Christ. Gal 1:10 Put no more trust in a mere human, who has only the breath in his nostrils. What is he really worth? Isa 2:22
  8. The long and the short of it is that there is a “disgusting thing” – an “abomination of desolation” – a “Gentile” army of elders – ruling over/sitting/standing in the “holy place”; which is the Temple/anointed priesthood. 1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17 If we perceive this absolute reality, we are to FLEE. 2 Chron 13:9; Num 18:7; Ezek 44:6-9; Dan 11:31; Matt 24:15,16; Luke 21:20-22; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev.11:1,2
  9. Jesus gave the early disciples the signs of that coming system’s demise and when those who still remained in Jerusalem, were to leave. The Romans had already set up authority over Jerusalem, the “Holy City” and temple. They were the “abomination”/Gentiles standing in the “holy place”. Matt 24:15 The Roman army represented their emperor, carrying his iconic image and the image of the legion, and were bestowed with honor. “When you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then recognize that its desolation has come near. 21 Then those in Judea must flee to the mountains. Those inside the city must leave it, and those who are in the country must not enter it, 22 because these are days of vengeance to fulfill all the things that are written. Luke 21:20-22 Jesus warned them to leave and flee to the mountains. Matt 24:16 They were not to stick around upon recognizing this threat. Those that remained in Jerusalem until its fall, lost their lives – millions of them. There is another fulfillment of these scriptures – a spiritual fulfillment. Today’s “Temple” in the anointed ones is “surrounded by armies” – the “Gentile” nation of unanointed elders. While the anointed must remain “humble”, the elders are bestowed with honor. The elders have breached the “temple walls” carrying their lies and setting up an “abomination of desolation”. Dan 11:31 This “royal priesthood” is restricted in the way they are to worship, they must rely on the “daily sacrifices” coming from an “emperor” and his army, and not on truth from Jesus Christ. Matt 21:33; Neh 1:3 They are powerless and scattered. Rev 13:1,2,5-8 In addition, anointed Christians do not view themselves as being part of an elite club. They do not seek out others who claim to have the same calling, hoping to bond with them or endeavoring to form private groups for Bible study. (Gal. 1:15-17) Such efforts would cause divisions within the congregation and work against the holy spirit, which promotes peace and unity.—Read Romans 16:17, 18. WT 16/1 p.24 God gave them Holy Spirit to teach the people. Mal 2:7; 1 John 2:27 In the Watchtower, they are refrained from utilizing this gift by offering “daily sacrifices of praise.” that are to come from their heart; not from an elder body who delivers rotten food from a wicked slave. Matt 24:48-51 (1 Pet 2:5,9) Many people will say Matt 24:15 doesn’t have any further fulfillment. But notice Rev 11:1,2 which was written after Jerusalem’s downfall: Then I was given a measuring reed like a rod,[a] with these words: “Go and measure the temple of God and the altar, and count those who worship there. But exclude the courtyard outside the temple. Don’t measure it, because it is given to the nations,[a](Gentiles) and they will trample the holy city for forty-two months. Rev 11:1,2 The “holy city” is the Temple/New Jerusalem and the dwelling of God – the anointed ones. (Gal 4:26;Rev 21:2) Don’t you yourselves know that you are God’s temple and that the Spirit of God lives in you? If anyone destroys God’s temple, God will destroy him; for God’s temple is holy, and that is what you are. 1 Cor 3:16,17 Has the dual power in the organization “destroyed” the anointed ones/God’s temple? Spiritually, yes. They have been replaced by the elders, and have allowed “images” of an idol/ organization to over-run their worship. They obey the elder army and are excluded from speaking and uniting in truth under Jesus Christ. 2 Thess 2: “Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him: We ask you, brothers and sisters, 2 not to be easily upset or troubled, either by a prophecy[a] or by a message or by a letter supposedly from us, alleging that the day of the Lord has come.3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way. For that day will not come unless the apostasy[c](rebellion) comes first and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he sits (rules) in God’s temple, proclaiming that he himself is God.” If we remember Wt’s latest admittance that Christendom is not anti-typical Jerusalem, then we know where this message will have its fulfillment, which is where the true Temple/anointed ones are gathered and surrounded, by an “army” of spiritual, “uncircumcised Gentiles”. It is in the WT that the proclamation has been made concerning the “day of the Lord”, as 1914. The apostasy/”man of lawlessness”/”Gentiles”/”abomination” over God’s spiritual Temple is evident. When we perceive this, we are to flee. Remaining inside is a treacherous proposition. But as we know, the WT uses deceit to hold God’s Temple members and their companions, hostage to a lie. "To survive, we must keep our faith strong and loyally worship Jehovah with his organization...May each one of us stay close to Jehovah and move ahead with his organization"ws14 5/15 pp. 21-26 And may each one, "listen, obey, and be blessed" by following their regime, not to the structure God has already outlined within the anointed Body of Christ. Pearl Doxsey - First the "wall"...then the entire "Temple" 4womaninthewilderness
  10. Every anointed one should have an agenda to uphold Christ's truths. It is the driving force sourced in Holy Spirit. The battle of truth against lies may not appear to be "real", but it is a war fought on the spiritual battlefield. Every heart in the Watchtower must makes a decision in this battle; they either serve the Father and Christ whole-souled, or they chose to be loyal to men and their idol. Matt 22:37; Joel 3:14 "For though we live in the world, we do not wage war as the world does. The weapons we fight with are not the weapons of the world. On the contrary, they have divine power to demolish strongholds. We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ." 2 Cor. 10:3-5 It doesn't stop until the "wheat" are completely gathered into the storehouse, which is where the railroad track comes to an end. Matt 3:12; 13:24-30; 13:40,41; Mal 3:1-6; Matt 13:42,43; Jer 23:29
  11. Alright already! I can see I loaded too much on you to figure out. By the way, what does the acronym WDS stand for again? If you ever want to check out the picture in the magazine it's from WT 11/1/89 p. 10 The mastermind at playing tricks/games on people, is Satan. Gen 3:4 - Then the serpent said to the woman, “You will not surely die. I'm not the one who says the WT is the "only game in town". "Hence, to be part of Jehovah’s organization means to be part of a people who seek, and receive, protection in God’s name." WT 98/9/1 "To survive, we must keep our faith strong and loyally worship Jehovah with his organization...May each one of us stay close to Jehovah and move ahead with his organization"ws14 5/15 pp. 21-26 Is this why?
  12. I’m glad you asked. I hadn’t looked at this WT picture for a long while, but then remembered that to be a true anagram, a valid word can be changed into another valid word, like “pat” can become “tap”. “Tups” is a word meaning, A ram. ‘tups were set free among the ewes for mating’ – sexual intercourse. It can also mean, Headbutt (someone) in a fight. This is the anagram, which can also be rearranged to say, “puts” – “Jest Puts Thru Daily” Or…it can read, “Jests (jokes) Put Thru Daily” In other words, Satan’s little jokes, like the glossary leaving out, of all things, general identities relating to Christ, pile up in the Watchtower. Interestingly, God’s people during the last days, are guilt of spiritual sexual “fornication”, by submitting to an idol, its image and a “false prophet”. The headbutting“ram” in Dan 8:3,4: Then I lifted my eyes and saw, and there, standing beside the river, was a ram which had two horns, and the two horns were high; but one was higher than the other, and the higher one came up last. 4 I saw the ram pushing westward, northward, and southward, so that no animal could withstand him; nor was there any that could deliver from his hand, but he did according to his will and became great. This is the false prophet/Harlot with two horns of Rev 13:11, that gives authority to the “Beast”/organization/elder body to overpower the anointed ones, with not only lies (jokes) but seducing them into spiritual “sexual immorality” by believing that an organization can bring one salvation. Idolatry. Rev 13:15 Armageddon is a war of words. Those who recognize this, can also see why the glossary's exclusions about Jesus, play a part in this war. 2 Cor 11:13-15 Whatever Satan devises in his realm is a counterfeit. Pearl Doxsey: “In this blog article, Obadiah reasons from the Bible, why the JW interpretation of Armageddon is wrong. It is, after all, only mentioned in two verses of Revelation, and in both verses, refers to it as a battle between the lies of Satan (Rev.16:13-16; 17:14), and the truths of Christ (Rev.19:11,15; Heb.4:12), with the messengers of each, battling for the hearts and minds of men (2Cor.10:3-5). There is no need to fear that God is a hypocrite and murderer. Regarding the impact of Armageddon on us as individuals, one only need to make a choice of which side one follows... lies or truths, light or darkness. The Bible proves that the only one who murders and destroys, is the Devil (John10:10; 8:44; Rev.9:11; Isa.33:1). Obadiah’s Blog – “Armageddon” Pearl Doxsey – “Who is the Destroyer”
  13. Even numbers lie. I did. It helps me see how easy it is for the sheep to be duped. It’s the seemingly insignificant things like the apparent oversights in jw org’s glossary that reveal the travesty when one “does the math”. Remember this marque from the 1989 Watchtower? Two movies are advertised. 1. “JEST TUPS” 2. “THRU DAILY” Neither one makes sense on their own, but obviously something is being said when both phrases are put together. Is it, “JEST TUPS THRU DAILY”? Or, should it read, “JEST PUTS THRU DAILY”? (edited my mispelling) Who is the moron, the one who sees the details of the travesty, or the one who lives within it? Appropriately, the rating is R.
  14. How many important documents have glossaries that explain the terms within them? True statements, but not everyone does that. Yes, forget listing the term, "Lamb of God" in the glossary, who IS truth, but send them through the confusing Watchtower maze which leads one away from the simplicity that is Christ. 2 Cor 11:3
  15. I can only find the one on jw org. Maybe I'm missing something. So what? The website is one of the busiest ones on the internet, isn't it? If it is bringing in people from all countries, shouldn't it be precise about who Jesus is? Even in this glossary that seems not to follow the general principle? If the Watchtower is all about truth, and Christ is truth, then these terms should be listed in harmony with the format being used: Jesus Michael Logos Lamb of God Son of God Word This is what it does include: Ashtoreth Astrologer Baal Beelzebub Chemosh Dagon Demons Devil Fortune-teller Idol; idolatry Leviathan Locusts Merodach Milcom Nephilim Pharoah Queen of Heaven Satan Sorcery Spiritism Spirit medium Tammuz Taraphim Wicked one Zeus The error of omission is a direct attack on the significance that Christ should play in our lives. Gen 3:15
  16. Did it ever occur to you that maybe Christ expects his servants to fulfill their obligation to speak truth? John 15:26; Rev 11:1-3
  17. Thank you. That was a great explanation, very much appreciated. Because of its size, it's pretty obvious it isn't anything like an index. Still, on the same "J" page, Flavius Josephus is one of a few other names that are listed; which aren't terms. "Satan" is listed under "S", which is also a name. So, it appears to be a prejudice move to leave out Michael and Jesus, which both have significant meanings just as "Satan" does.
  18. That’s right. Where in scripture does it say that the GB can place themselves in a higher position than any other anointed one in the organization, including every JW who are not anointed? Luke 22:24-27 I have no authority over anyone. How can someone on the outside exalt himself over those who refuse to acknowledge them? Do I disfellowship anyone? Do I mark them as spiritually “dead” Rev 13:15 What they practice, Jesus condemned. Matt 24:48-51 And all JWs who condone this practice, obey men and not Christ. 2 Cor 11:20; Acts 5:29 Since the Watchtower finally admits that Christendom is not the "anti-typical" Jerusalem, then, as I said here: ...every prophesy concerning God’s anointed people in the last days, takes place in-house. This means, Christendom is not the Harlot/false prophet of Rev 13:11. It also means that the “organization” which the Harlot directs, is not the UN. Rev 13:1 "For the time has come for judgment to begin at the house of God; (Eph 2:20-22) and if it begins with us first, (the anointed ones) what will be the end of those who do not obey the gospel of God? 18 Now “If the righteous one is scarcely saved, Where will the ungodly and the sinner appear?” 1 Pet 4:17,18 "And I heard another voice from heaven saying, “Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues. 5 For her sins have reached to heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities. 6 Render to her just as she rendered to you, and repay her double according to her works; in the cup which she has mixed, mix double for her. 7 In the measure that she glorified herself and lived luxuriously, in the same measure give her torment and sorrow; for she says in her heart, ‘I sit as queen, and am no widow, and will not see sorrow.’ 8 Therefore her plagues will come in one day—death and mourning and famine. And she will be utterly burned with fire, for strong is the Lord God who judges her." Rev 18:4-8 It is regretful that you are so blind, Allen. We have strayed very far from the topic; yet, I refer back to the topic by saying those who put their faith in men and an earthly organization, which rules others by it's own laws and decrees, while holding the Bible in one hand, cannot hear what Jesus is telling them. “Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say? As for everyone who comes to me and hears my words and puts them into practice, I will show you what they are like. They are like a man building a house, who dug down deep and laid the foundation on rock. When a flood came, the torrent struck that house but could not shake it, because it was well built. But the one who hears my words and does not put them into practice is like a man who built a house on the ground without a foundation. The moment the torrent struck that house, it collapsed and its destruction was complete.” Luke 6:46-49 What did Christ say; to come to "Jehovah's organization", or did he say, "come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest." Matt 11:28 The Watchtower calls such individuals who simply do what Jesus said, as apostates; who's faith is apparently "garbage and needs to be torn down." Rev 13:16,17
  19. I am not sure why you say I am exalting myself, when my words are in agreement with the early Watchtower quotes. Would you say those anointed at that time were exalting themselves? Those who have been given authority to disfellowship God’s anointed Temple members, judging them as “dead” for understanding the very words the Watchtower use to teach, are the ones who have exalted themselves by “sitting”/ruling over the Temple of God. 2 Thess 2:4; (1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:19-22 It is fulfilled prophesy for the time of the end. Dan 8:11; Rev 13:1,6,7,11,14-15
  20. We can choose to be part of a “congregation” of believers in Christ, Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.” Matt 11:28=30 And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst. John 6:35 But those who are part of his Body are chosen by God and Christ, to be sealed if faithful, into God's Temple. 2 Cor 6:16-18 You did not choose Me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit, and that your fruit should remain, that whatever you ask the Father in My name He may give you. John 15:16 If all believers in Christ were part of his Body/Temple, then all of his disciples would have been at his last meal before his death. Matt 26:26 His “body” represented by the unleavened, pure bread of truth, that they “ate”, signified becoming one with him. 16 The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ? 17 For we, though many, are one bread and one body; for we all partake of that one bread. 1 Cor 10:16,18 Jesus, as the Word of God, is truth. John 14:6 Those called by God who faithfully remain in him are to speak the same truth. John 17:17 Remain in me, and I in you. Just as a branch is unable to produce fruit by itself unless it remains on the vine, neither can you unless you remain in me. John 15:4 From your article, this is exactly what I had quoted: Most of the Scriptural terms that apply to the 144,000 members of Christ’s body apart from their Head do so quite obviously. Among such are “Christ’s body,” “the body of the Christ,” “the bride, the Lamb’s wife.” And since the “Lamb’s wife” is also termed “the holy city, New Jerusalem,” it follows that this name also applies only to the 144,000 body members. This is borne out by the description of it in Revelation chapter 21.—1 Cor. 12:27; Eph. 4:12; Rev. 21:2, 9, 10. Also, it says, However, generally when the Christian Greek Scriptures speak of the “congregation” in the broad sense, they are referring to the 144,000 as a body subject to the head Christ Jesus. Thus Paul, at Ephesians 1:22, 23, speaks of “the congregation, which is his body,” and later writes: “I am speaking with respect to Christ and the congregation.”—Eph. 5:32 You seem to look at the congregation of JWs as the chosen “body of Christ”, when scriptures do not support this. With the GB in power (presently) as the “head” of that congregation, all the members are thought to be members of Christ’s body; when this is a lying twist of the true body of Christ. On top of this, all JWs must be submissive to “false christs”. Mark 13:22 Here’s another, very wicked twist: The Body of Elders has also taken the identity of the authentic body of Christ in the anointed priesthood, and applied it to themselves. ("representing the royal priesthood"...) They also have, as their “head”, the GB also. The true Temple/Body has lost all identity in the organization. 2 Thess 2:1-4; Rev 11:1-3
  21. You believe today's Watchtower lie about the Body of Christ. The above written in 1963, was surprisingly, truth. How long have you been a JW?
  22. Coming from a man who constantly tells everyone, “learn scripture”. I provided scripture and you reject it. Who are you talking about? The anointed or those not anointed? I spoke of the anointed ones. 1 Cor 12:12-27 (if that is what you mean, but do read the entire chapter) speaks of the “gifts of the spirit”. Are you having a hard time accepting the fact that these various gifts were given exclusively to the anointed? Satan also is very aware of who comprise the Body of Christ. Let me show you what I mean. Here is truth: WT 63/9/1 pp. 537-538 “Temple” is also used in a symbolic sense to include Jesus Christ and his body members, or the 144,001, as Jehovah’s arrangement for the carrying on of true worship, a sanctuary for God to inhabit by spirit. This can be clearly seen from reading Ephesians 2:20-22. Since this symbolic temple was represented by the anointed Christians on earth in his day, Paul could also use this name as applying in a representative way when he wrote to the congregation at Corinth: “Do you not know that the body of you people is the temple of the holy spirit?” (1 Cor. 6:19) And at Revelation 21:22 “temple” has yet another significance when Jehovah God and the Lamb Jesus Christ are said to be the temple ofthe New Jerusalem.” Most of the Scriptural terms that apply to the 144,000 members of Christ’s body apart from their Head do so quite obviously. Among such are “Christ’s body,” “the body of the Christ,” “the bride, the Lamb’s wife.” And since the “Lamb’s wife” is also termed “the holy city, New Jerusalem,” it follows that this name also applies only to the 144,000 body members. This is borne out by the description of it in Revelation chapter 21.—1 Cor. 12:27; Eph. 4:12; Rev. 21:2, 9, 10. Look at 1 Cor 12:27 which is a scripture you also listed: 1 Cor 12:27-31: Now you are the body of Christ, and members individually. 28 And God has appointed these in the church (body): first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, varieties of tongues. 29 Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Are all workers of miracles? 30 Do all have gifts of healings? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret? 31 But earnestly desire the [i]best gifts. And yet I show you a more excellent way. These gifts are also spoken of in Eph 4:7-13 But to each one of us grace was given according to the measure of Christ’s gift. 8 Therefore He says: “When He ascended on high, He led captivity captive, And gave gifts to men.” 9 (Now this, “He ascended”—what does it mean but that He also first descended into the lower parts of the earth? 10 He who descended is also the One who ascended far above all the heavens, that He might fill all things.) 11 And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers, 12 for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ, 13 till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ The Body of the anointed ones, with Jesus as their Head, has received gifts from the Holy Spirit. Here, Watchtower also tells truth: From “Mans Salvation Out of World Distress at Hand”: These “gifts in men” were among the captives that he led away as a result of his giving his human soul as a ransom for the condemned world of mankind. (Matthew 20:28; 1 Timothy 2:5, 6) Such “gifts in men,” the resurrected, ascended Jesus Christ bestows upon his congregation of 144,000 anointed joint heirs, to strengthen them all to fight a triumphant warfare against this world and its god and thereby to share with Jesus in vindicating the universal sovereignty of Jehovah God. To them he says, in Revelation 3:21: “To the one that conquers I will grant to sit down with me on my throne, even as I conquered and sat down with my Father on his throne.” As you can see, these earlier publications explain that the Body of Christ are the “144,000”, and explains that the many gifts through Holy Spirit, were given to them. However, Satan also has the determined ability to morph truth into a lie, with a purpose in mind. "And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs coming out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 For they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings (Christs’s kings, Rev 1:5) of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty." Rev 16:13,14 Developing, “unclean” expressions, that begin as truth, turn into plaguing lies - as a plague of frogs. (Exod 😎 The “gifts to/unto/in men” are now said to be given to the elders – non anointed elders. w02 3/15 p. 15 How can we show regard for the appointed elders in the congregation? 10 Our Leader has given the congregations “gifts in men”—“some as evangelizers, some as shepherds and teachers.” (Ephesians 4:8, 11, 12) Our attitude and actions toward them speak volumes as to whether we accept Christ’s leadership. It is only right that we ‘show ourselves thankful’ for the spiritually qualified men that Christ has given. (Colossians 3:15) They also deserve our respect.” Did Jesus or the Father change their mind about who receive the “gifts” bestowed by Holy Spirit? Wouldn’t you consider this, blasphemy against God, Jesus, and the Temple? Why does the organization say truth from scripture, and then twist it into a lie? It is to eventually remove all knowledge of who comprise the Temple, the Body of Christ, and the priesthood from the minds of JWs. The Beast/organization of Revelation 13, accomplishes this: “Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven. 7 It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation.” Rev 13:6,7 How are the anointed saints overcome? Well, who has the authority to disfellowship the anointed ones? The elders. Who "represents the royal priesthood"? The elders. To whom are everyone in the organization told to "honor" and obey? The elders. With demonic expressions that begin with acknowledging who the anointed really are, they end with the removing of all evidence…of who they really are - as the anointed Body of Christ. “And I heard the man who was clothed in linen who was above the water of the stream, and he raised his right hand and his left hand to heaven and he swore by the one who lives forever that an appointed time, appointed times, and half an appointed time would pass when the shattering of the power of the holy people would be completed; then all these things will be accomplished.” Dan 12:7 The “holy people” are the “saints” and the dwelling of God. 1 Cor 3:16,17 Truth cannot be explained without the scriptures. Perhaps it is you, who should learn scripture.
  23. Cool your jets a bit. John 2:19-22 - Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days.” 20 They replied, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and you are going to raise it in three days?” 21 But the temple he had spoken of was his body. 22 After he was raised from the dead, his disciples recalled what he had said. Then they believed the scripture and the words that Jesus had spoken. The Body of Christ = the temple Matt 16:18 - And I tell you that you are Peter ( for rock), and on this rock ("large rock", "a mass of stones") I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. Church: ἐκκλησία ekklēsía, ek-klay-see'-ah; from a compound of G1537 and a derivative of G2564; a calling out, i.e. (concretely) a popular meeting, especially a religious congregation (Jewish synagogue, or Christian community of members on earth or saints in heaven or both):—assembly, church. Would he build his “church” from those who were not ‘called out’, as the apostles were? Jesus laid the foundation as the chief cornerstone of the new Temple/Body. The foundation stones were the apostles and prophets. All who were called out are considered “stones”/”rock”. Rom 1:1 - Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle and set apart for the gospel of God— Rom 1:7 - To all in Rome who are loved by God and called to be his holy people: Grace and peace to you from God our Father and from the Lord Jesus Christ. Eph 4:4 - There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling Rev 17:14 - They will wage war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will triumph over them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings—and with him will be his called, chosen and faithful followers.” This is the “144,000” priests/kings of God. The anointed ones. 1 Pet 2:5,9 - you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. ("I will build my church") But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God’s special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. The “spiritual house” built of stones is the Temple of God. It is the church/Body. You, are adding those to the “church” who are not “living stones” of the Body of Christ. It is clear in scripture that the anointed are this “church” – “spiritual house” – TEMPLE of God. 2 Cor 6:16 - What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God has said: “I will live with them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they will be my people.” Again, the temple is built of “stones”, and the stones are the royal priesthood, which comprise the Body of Christ. 1 Cor 6:19-20 Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own? 20 For you were bought at a price; therefore glorify God in your bodyand in your spirit, which are God’s. The royal priesthood is God’s “spiritual house”, His dwelling place. ("I will walk among them") 1 Cor 3:16,17 - Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? 17 If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which temple you are. Eph 2:19-22 - Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, 20 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone, 21 in whom the whole building, being fitted together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, 22 in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit. ("I will build my church") The “saints” are built on Christ’s Body, creating a Temple of “living stones”. The purpose? To serve the rest of the children in God’s Kingdom. So, step back and take a look at what God is building. He is refining and forming a people for Himself to serve the greater needs of His children to come. They must prove themselves worthy enough to be be found faithful and able to serve as God's priests; who, in the early temple arrangement, always served and taught the people of Israel. Mal 2:7 Yes, they will be Christ’s “kings” – righteous kings, who direct and teach God’s children in love, just as their High Priest/King/Head of the Body. Romans 12 describes the anointed as individual members of Christ’s Body. As does 1 Cor 12: For as the body is one and has many members, but all the members of that one body, being many, are one body, so also is Christ. 13 For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and have all been made to drink into one Spirit. 14 For in fact the body is not one member but many. 1 Cor 12:12,13 What did Jesus say his Body was? John 2:21 - But the temple he had spoken of was his body It is the Temple of “living stones” – the royal priesthood. “You are My witnesses,” says the Lord, “And My servant whom I have chosen, That you may know and believe Me, And understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, Nor shall there be after Me. Isa 43:10
  24. Another name which seems obvious to be included but is not, is "Michael".
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