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  1. These two conflict. The first is the mountain spoken of in Isaiah 2:2,3. The second is a "mountainlike organization" that is built by men. Which do you believe God sanctions?
  2. CORRECTION: The article is correctly and completely titled, The Anointing Teaches Truth--How? / The "Refining Pot" / Who should partake, and when? / "Tribulation" 4womaninthewilderness blogspot
  3. "In the last days the mountain of the Lord’s temple will be established as the highest of the mountains; it will be exalted above the hills, and all nations will stream to it. 3 Many peoples will come and say, “Come, let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the temple of the God of Jacob. He will teach us his ways, so that we may walk in his paths.” The law will go out from Zion, the word of the Lord from Jerusalem." Isa 2:2,3 The Temple of God is not the organization, is it. Thus, in the last days, people will not be streaming to the Watchtower. 1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22; Rev 5:9,10; 2 Cor 11:2; Rev 21:1-3,9-13
  4. @Arauna - “So, aside from all the human imperfections we have to deal with - just like David, moses, Elijah and the nation of Israel....... God used them as a nation despite their infedility, immorality, idolatry and maybe even child sexual abuse...... unfortunately all forms of irregularities is part of life until jehovah removes the wicked forever.” When God’s nation sinned, He abandoned them to the consequences of their sins. He didn’t tolerate idolatry, immorality, greed, victimization, etc., The number of evil kings far surpassed the number of good kings among Judah and Israel. How many good “kings” have there been in the WT? This forum has brought out the ugliness of every head leader since Russel. (Lam 2:14; Jer 14:14; Isa 56:10; Rev 17:9,10) Today’s “Israel” who are to be spiritually “organized” as a body under their Head, Jesus Christ, has now succumbed to men’s “unique” idea (a1940’s revelation) of an earthly organization as the only path to salvation. After 2,000 years, it appears God’s holy people believe Christ’s power to individually lead one to salvation through God’s approved way of worship, is now not possible. (1 Cor 12:27; 2 Cor 5:20; 1 Cor 4:1; 1 Pet 2:5,9; Mal 2:7; John 7:18,38; Rev 21:6; 22:17) A sin-laden brainstorm of men leads millions on a twisted path, which JWs view as the road to everlasting life. “Lord,” Thomas said, “we don’t know where You’re going. How can we know the way?”6 Jesus told him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. John 14:5,6 As I recall the cry the organization makes to inactive ones: “Return to Jehovah!”, myself and many others are able to read between the lines, and detect the idol that the inactive, disfellowshipped and shunned ones are to return to - “Jehovah’s organization”. Can God be placed in the same context to anything men build? “Who will you compare me or make me equal to? Who will you measure me with, so that we should be like each other? Isa 46:5 In light of this idolatry, the organization’s leaders carefully use due diligence to maintain their false haven of “peace and security”, since its many sins over the years are perpetually uncovered, and people are taking notice. (Luke 8:17) It is one of several reasons why the “mountainlike organization” will not survive. (Ps 127:1; 1 John 2:17; Zech 4:7; Rev 8:8) I was thinking of Arauna’s avatar when formulating this comment. It reminds me of the situation David faced when he stubbornly counted all Israel – a practice the leaders of the WT repetitiously accomplish year after year. (1 Chron 21:1) I have noticed that the organization readily compares itself to historical Israel, usually applied to the time Moses led Israel; yet, the account in 1 Chron chapter 21 is treated with an apparent flippant attitude. Although it is taught that God similarly leads His people today by comparing the GB’s lead to that of Moses, God’s decrees seem to apply only when advantageous for the life and breath of the organization. They are heeded when convenient, to keep the members “moving ahead” with the organization. (Exod 32:1,4; Judges 10:13,14) Taking a census seems like such an innocent thing to do, a practicality necessary as all of today’s organizations in the world deem it to be. (Ezek 20:32-38) (Luke 4:5-7) “Satan stood up against Israel and incited David to count the people of Israel. So David said to Joab and the commanders of the troops, “Go and count Israel from Beer-sheba to Dan and bring a report to me so I can know their number.” 1 Chron 21:1,2 Each time God’s anger is said to “burn against Israel”, as is stated in 2 Sam 24:1 regarding this event, it was because of rebellion and idolatry. He rejected them by removing His protective spirit and allowed the adversary to step in. (Psalm 78) In Exod 30:11-16, God gave specific directions about taking a census which in this case, David took no notice of. Would JWs think of the routine census taken worldwide as evil? Well, perhaps they should, since the source of persuasion in David’s case, was Satan. Satan exhibits pride and greed. One of these Satanic attributes may have spurred David’s decision to count the number of Israelites. What is the reason today’s leaders of “Israel” do so? To fuel pride in ‘Jehovah’s growing organization’? To project graphs and statistics of future incoming donations and what they could possibly achieve with it? (Phil 3:19) But Joab said, “May YHVH add to the people a hundred times what they are! Are they not, O my lord the king, all of them the king’s servants? Why does my lord seek this? Why would he bring guilt to Israel?” 1 Chron 21:3 David was considered as one of the few good kings to rule God’s people, shepherding Israel “with integrity of heart” (Ps 78:72),but he still suffered the consequences of his failings, and so did all of Israel. (This chart may be of interest: https://adventbirmingham.org/wp-content/uploads/Chart-of-the-Kings-of-Israel-and-Judah.pdf) “Yet the king’s order prevailed over Joab. So Joab left and traveled throughout Israel and then returned to Jerusalem. 5 Joab gave the total troop registration to David. In all Israel there were 1,100,000 swordsmen and in Judah itself 470,000 swordsmen. 6 But he did not include Levi and Benjamin in the count because the king’s command was detestable to him. 7 This command was also evil in God’s sight, so He afflicted Israel.” 1 Chron 21:4-7 When David’s conscience came alive, he admitted his foolishness. (1 Chron 21:8) Still, he was given three choices to atone for his sin - “This is what the Lord says: ‘Take your choice: 12 three years of famine, or three months of devastation by your foes with the sword of your enemy overtaking you, or three days of the sword of the Lord—a plague on the land, the angel of the Lord bringing destruction to the whole territory of Israel.’ Now decide what answer I should take back to the One who sent me.” Vs 11,12 His decision not to fall into the hands of men, resulted in 70,000 Israelites killed by a plague. If the Bible examples are for our direction, why hasn’t the organization heeded this one - a plague of destruction far surpassing that of Korah’s rebellion of 14,000 (Num 16:49) and the plague of Baal-Peor of 24,000 (Num 25:9; 1 Cor 10:8)? (1 Cor 10:6) God relented at the last moment and saved the entirety of Jerusalem from destruction by the Destroyer. All of this occurred not only because of a brazen act committed before God, but the apparent sinful practices of Israel which led to this destructive plague. (2 Sam 24:1) Yet, David focused on his own sin: When David looked up and saw the angel of the Lord standing between earth and heaven, with his drawn sword in his hand stretched out over Jerusalem, David and the elders, clothed in sackcloth, fell down with their faces to the ground. 17 David said to God, “Wasn’t I the one who gave the order to count the people? I am the one who has sinned and acted very wickedly. But these sheep, what have they done? My Lord God, please let Your hand be against me and against my father’s family, but don’t let the plague be against Your people.” 1 Chron 21:16,17 I really can’t imagine any JW leader, past or present, putting himself ahead of the sheep, by placing his neck on the chopping block for his wrongful actions. (Rom 5:6-8) But David saw the shocking literal effects of his sin. He witnessed the sword held in the angel’s hand, prepared to add victims to an already horrendous slaughter. As JWs suffer among the nations of the world (which every JW should meditate on why this is so) they are told to keep their faith strong and continue in their loyalty to “Jehovah’s organization”; the work of man’s hands. (Lev 26:1; Exod 20:23; Jonah 2:8; Rom 1:25; Rev 13:4; 9:20) It doesn’t appear that there is enough suffering in the organization worldwide, for its leaders to acknowledge their own guilt, of leading “Israel” and those with them, into sin, continual false teachings, and idolatry. The plague was detained by David’s obedience to God’s direction – ‘Go up and build an altar to the Lord on the threshing floor of Araunah the Jebusite.’ It was on that threshing floor on the mountain of Moriah, that Solomon built the temple for God. 2 Chron 3:1 Araunah, or Ornan used in 1 Chron 21:15, referred to himself as a king in 2 Sam 24:23 Both names have several meanings: Ornan -- " strong, that rejoices, light was perpetuated: their fir trees" Araunah - “ark, song, joyful cry, a large tree, Yah is Firm” 22 Araunah said to David, “My lord the king may take whatever he want and offer it. Here are the oxen for a burnt offering and the threshing sledges and ox yokes for the wood. 23 Your Majesty, Araunah gives everything here to the king.” Then he said to the king, “May the Lord your God accept you.” 2 Sam 24:22-23 24 The king answered Araunah, “No, I insist on buying it from you for a price, for I will not offer to the Lord my God burnt offerings that cost me nothing.” David bought the threshing floor and the oxen for twenty ounce of silver. 25 He built an altar to the Lord there and offered burnt offerings and fellowship offerings. Then the Lord was receptive to prayer for the land, and the plague on Israel ended. At the coming of Jesus, John the Baptist compared God’s people to wheat and chaff on a threshing floor: 17 His winnowing fork is in his hand to clear his threshing floor and to gather the wheat into his barn, but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.” Luke 3:17 Through the sacrifice of his life, Jesus willingly “bought” a people – a “land” of wheat to be threshed as faithful “living stones” of the Temple of God. (1 Pet 2:5,9) And who also, in the footsteps of Christ, sacrifice their lives to do God’s will. (Luke 8:15; Matt 13:38; Mark 4:20;1 Cor 3:9) (Rom 12:1; 1 Pet 2:5) As the tree of light and life, he has refined a people of strong “trees” on a spiritual “threshing floor” since the first century, to serve with him in God’s Kingdom. (Gen 2:9; John 6:57;8:12; Rev 2:7; 22:14; Matt 12:33; Ezek 47:12; Rev 22:2) Without this atonement, none of God’s people would have been saved from total destruction. (Luke 21:5,6; Matt 23:38,39;; Acts 3:22,23; John 2:18-21; Acts 3:25; Rom 9:6,7) Rev 5:9,10 - 9 And they sang a new song, saying: “You are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals, because you were slain, and with your blood you purchased for God persons from every tribe and language and people and nation. 10 You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God, and they will reign on the earth.” 1 Pet 2:5,9,10 - you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house (“a temple of the Spirit”) to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ, But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God’s special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. 10 Once you were not a people, but now you are the people of God; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.” This new Temple is reaching completion, as the remaining anointed are being “sifted as wheat” on that symbolic, spiritual “threshing floor”. Today, the Great Tribulation is the time of threshing the remnant of God’s people “Israel”. (Luke 22:31; Rev 12:1-4,15-17; 16:13,14) Entering the organization does not lead to a salvaged condition of the heart, as I believe many JWs think so. Its existence is for one reason only, to incite God’s people to transgress His decrees, primarily by committing idolatry. Never did Moses teach that an organization was the source of salvation. I, I am YHVH, and there is no other Savior but Me. I alone declared, saved, and proclaimed— and not some foreign god among you. Isa 43:11,12a God’s “Israel” today blindly permit men to lead them in this spiritual adultery, forgetting who “bought” them with his atoning sacrifice. They allow a “foreign god” and “thief” (John 10:10) to persuade their heart in exchanging the truth about salvation, for a lie. (Ezek 32:8,4; Rom 1:20-22,25; 2 Thess 2:9; Rev 13:11,14,15,8) You were bought at a price; do not become slaves of men. 1 Cor 7:23 “ Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own? 20 For you were bought at a price; therefore glorify God in your body and in your spirit, which are God’s.” 1 Cor 6:19-20 @Arauna also commented - “I wait for ideal conditions when Jesus has restored the original purpose of God and given rulership back to Jehovah.” Restoration happens now, amidst a plague of “locust/scorpions” (2 Thess 2:9,10; Joel 2:1-5; Rev 9:3,4,7) and famine, resulting from a wicked house steward restricting spiritual provisions to be received from all servants of the House. (2 Chron 15:3; Amos 8:11; Rev 6:5,6,8; 18; 13:17; Isa 55:2) (Luke 12:42-46) Not only are God’s holy people committing idolatry, they are valuing the word of men over God’s decrees concerning His Temple, of which they as “living stones” under Christ, have submitted to the rule and judgment of a “Gentile” counterfeit priesthood, as dictated by false “christs”. (2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 13:5-7,11,12; Matt 24:24) They are scattered among all JWs and readily accept their anonymous identity. (Jer 23:2; Lam 4:1,2) Because of all of this, the appearance of an “Elijah”, a role that also John the Baptist fulfilled, is again seen in the “two witnesses” preaching in “sackcloth”. (Rev 11:3) 10 And the disciples asked him, saying, “Then why do the scribes say that Elijah must come first?” 11 And he answered and said, “Elijah indeed is coming, and will restore all things.” Matt 17:10 This servant of Christ reveals the sins of God’s people and the need to escape the coming destruction, at the hands of the Destroyer. (Rev 11:3,4) (John 10:10) John preached to the nation of Israel, as do the “two witnesses” of Revelation – to spiritual “Israel”, and those with them. (Matt 10:23; Rev 11:3; 18:4-8) The "two witnesses" are “killed” for their witness to Christ’s truth concerning the “abominations standing in God’s “holy place” (Dan 11:31,32,36; Matt 24:15; 2 Thess 2:4; Eccl 10:5-7) “When they finish their testimony, the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit will make war against them, overcome them, and kill them.” Rev 11:7 “For you will be excommunicated from the synagogues, and indeed the time is coming when those who kill you will think they are doing God a service.” John 16:2 “It was granted to him (by a false prophet/Beast, Rev 13:11) to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation. Rev 13:7 “He (that false prophet) was granted power to give breath (direct spirit/”spirit-directed”) to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed.” Rev 13:15 “Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake.” Matt 9:24 “They will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations. Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.” Luke 21:24 “Then I was given a reed like a measuring rod. ]And the angel stood, saying, “Rise and measure the temple of God, the altar, and those who worship there. But leave out the court which is outside the temple, and do not measure it, for it has been given to the Gentiles. And they will tread the holy city underfoot for forty-two months.” Rev 11:1,2 JWs are taught that the two Beasts of Revelation are found in the world of “Christendom” and politics. Not so. “Babylon” is the spiritual condition where God’s wayward people exist now, in a haven of confused teachings, resulting in spiritual famine, and idolatry to an organization. (Isa 28:7-15) The anointed Temple of God is “trampled” by this Beast, the “man of lawlessness”/elder body/counterfeit priesthood that rules over them. (Dan 7:23 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 9:3,4;11:1-3) These two Beasts, a false prophet and an organization, have been successful in applying pressure and persecution through the use of lying accusations against them, enough to extinguish any light of truth they may hold in their hearts. (Matt 5:14-16; Rev 13:5-7) Why do God’s anointed priests tolerate men who dictate how they are to serve God? It is because these men offer them the captivating false promise that eternal life is achieved through the organization, a promise God and His Son have never made. (Isa 44:20; Col 2:8; Rev 13:10) The Lord, the holy God of Israel, the one who shapes the future, says: “You have no right to question me about my children or to tell me what I ought to do! 12 I am the one who made the earth and created human beings to live there. By my power I stretched out the heavens; I control the sun, the moon, and the stars. 13 I myself have stirred Cyrus to action to fulfill my purpose and put things right. I will straighten out every road that he travels. He will rebuild my city, Jerusalem, and set my captive people free. No one has hired him or bribed him to do this.” The Lord Almighty has spoken. Isa 45:11-13 Pearl Doxsey I have learned from my own experience with Holy Spirit, that Satan has demanded to test all those elected by God (Luke 22:31; 1 Pet 4:12,13). As was the case with Job, God allows this (Job 1:8,9,12,22), that we might prove worthy of the calling (Luke 16:10; Matt 25:14,19,23,29,30;8:12) in the face of Satan's accusations (Job 1:11; 2:5; Zech 3:1; Rev 12:10). I was clearly shown in vision, that our time in the WT is a test.... a great tribulation. The Greek word there, refers to the beating, threshing, crushing, and sifting of wheat by constraint, restraint, and opposition. This time is also referred to as a period of "labor pains", or "pangs of distress". 2347 thlípsis – properly, pressure (what constricts or rubs together), used of a narrow place that "hems someone in"; tribulation, especially internal pressure that causes someone to feel confined (restricted, "without options") and carries the challenge of coping with the internal pressure of a tribulation, especially when feeling there is "no way of escape" ("hemmed in"). (Rev 13:10; Ezek 22:29,28; Isa 5:7; Rev 14:19) [By contrast, 4730 (stenoxōría) focuses on the external pressure exerted by external circumstances.] Therefore, we are not without explanation as to why we were drawn into the WT. Satan has baited our test with the only thing that draws the chosen.....Bible Truth (Ps 119:103,72;19:9,10). The best way to get someone to swallow 1/3 poison, is to put it inside something attractive (Rev 8:10,11; Jer 23:15). The decades we spent inside the abyss of the WT was not without purpose (Isa 59:10,19-21; Ezek 14:21-23; Rev 6:8; Prov 17:3). When our loyalty (exclusive devotion) to the God of Truth is finally fully tested… …we "wake up" and realize something is wrong, and we must act. Despite the anticipated losses, those of faithful heart loyally cling to the God of Truth. Like Christ their exemplar, truth is more precious than our own lives (Mark 8:35). Like Christ, truth is more precious than conformity to those who rule over God's Chosen Nation under test (Matt 23:13). (Luke 19:41-46; Rev 13:17,7) Only those who make it all the way through the gamut/refining pot/crucible, are sealed as sons/heirs of God's Kingdom (Acts 14:22; Luke 13:23,24;Matt 7:14; 24:13) From Pearl Doxsey, "The Anointed Teaches Truth--How? “Threshing is the process of loosening the edible part of grain (or other crop) from the chaff to which it is attached. It is the step in grain preparation after reaping. Threshing may be done by beating the grain using a flail on a threshing floor. Another traditional method of threshing is to make donkeys or oxen (beasts) walk in circles on the grain on a hard surface.” Wikipedia Matt 24:48-51 – “ But suppose that servant is wicked and says to himself, ‘My master is staying away a long time,’ 49 and he then begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with drunkards. 50 The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. 51 He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” Revelation's Beasts are experts at circular reasoning, shaping scripture to fit their doctrines and calling it "truth". Babylon from long ago was destroyed because of idolatry, and foreigners who “entered the holy places of the Lord’s temple”. Jer 51:51-53 Today’s temple “living stones” under the covenant /promise of “Babylon” have apathetically allowed “Gentiles” to walk all over them, which has desecrated God’s Temple in Christ. (Ezek 44:6-9; Isa 51:23; 1 Pet 2:5; 1 Cor 3:16,17) As Pearl brought out, they have fully conformed to the rule of men. Gal 1:10 Rev 18:4-8 tells God's "saints" and companions to leave this confusion, ("babal") - to leave "Babylon" (the gate of gods). Many have obeyed this call, desiring to follow the word of God over the word of man. Matt 13:24-30 The cry to “come out of her my people” happened then…and is happening now. Jer 51:45,46; Rev 18:4-8 Ephraim herds the wind and is pursuing the east wind all day long; he multiplies deception and violence and he makes a treaty with Assyria, and oil is brought to Egypt. Hos 12:1 A merchant loves to extort with dishonest scales in his hands. 8 But Ephraim thinks, “How rich I have become; I made it all myself. In all my earnings, no one can find any iniquity in me that I can be punished for!” 7,8 Ephraim has caused bitter provocation, and his Lord will hold him responsible for his crimes and pay back to him his insults. Hos 12:14 When Ephraim spoke, there was trembling; he was exalted in Israel. But he incurred guilt through Baal and died. Hos 13:1 2 Now they continue to sin and make themselves a cast image, idols skillfully made from their silver, all of them the work of craftsmen. People say about them, “Let the men who sacrifice kiss the calves.” 3 Therefore, they will be like the morning mist, like the early dew that vanishes, like chaff blown from a threshing floor, or like smoke from a window. Hos 13:1-3 Israel, return to the Lord your God, for you have stumbled in your iniquity. 2 Take words of repentance with you and return to the Lord. Say to him: “Forgive all our iniquity and accept what is good, so that we may repay you with praise from our lips. 3 Assyria will not save us, we will not ride on horses, and we will no longer proclaim, ‘Our gods!’ to the work of our hands. For the fatherless receives compassion in you.” 4 I will heal their apostasy; I will freely love them, for my anger will have turned from him. 5 I will be like the dew to Israel; he will blossom like the lily and take root like the cedars of Lebanon. 6 His new branches will spread, and his splendor will be like the olive tree, his fragrance, like the forest of Lebanon. 7 The people will return and live beneath his shade. They will grow grain and blossom like the vine. His renown will be like the wine of Lebanon. 8 Ephraim, why should I have anything more to do with idols? It is I who answer and watch over him. I am like a flourishing pine tree; your fruit comes from me. 9 Let whoever is wise understand these things, and whoever is insightful recognize them. For the ways of the Lord are right, and the righteous walk in them, but the rebellious stumble in them. Hos 14:1-9
  5. Rev 16:13,14 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs coming out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 For they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty. 15 “Behold, I am coming as a thief. Blessed is he who watches, and keeps his garments, lest he walk naked and they see his shame.” 16 And they gathered them together to the place called in Hebrew ,Armageddon. I hope you are able to break down these scriptures to understand their identities. “kings of the earth” - Jesus tells us who they are and who must be alert to his coming: Rev 1:4-6 - John, to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace to you and peace from Him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven Spirits who are before His throne, 5 and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth. To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood, 6 and has made us kings and priests to His God and Father, to Him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen. The “kings of the earth” are the anointed priests/kings. All the “kings”, rulers and authorities in the world do not belong to Christ, those who are part of his Body. 1 Cor chapter 12 And they sang a new song, saying: “You are worthy to take the scroll, And to open its seals; For You were slain, And have redeemed us to God by Your blood Out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation, And have made us kings and priests to our God; And we shall reign on the earth.” Rev 5:9,10 1 Pet 2:5,9 – “Coming to Him as to a living stone, rejected indeed by men, but chosen by God and precious, 5 you also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light” In Revelation 16, Christ’s “kings of the earth” are “gathered” with those from the “whole world”, which is certainly true in the organization. The “demonic expressions” that come from the dragon (Satan), the beast (Rev 13:1) and the false prophet (Rev 13:11) “go out to”…the anointed “kings of the earth” and those with them from the world. The beast overcomes the anointed “kings” with blasphemies, making “war” against them, by using “demonic expressions”. Rev 13:6,7 - Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven. 7 It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation. The false prophet is another beast…“from the earth’ (Rev 13:11) meaning it/they are also kings of the earth, who once belonged to Christ. (1 Tim 4:1) And, false prophets are spiritual "harlots". (Rev 17:1,2) Just as Satan is depicted as a dragon beast; so too are any who adopt him as their “father” – the father of the lie. (Matt 12:34; 24:24) This false prophet has two (meaning “truth”, John 8:17) horns (horns represent kings) like a lamb, (John 1:29) signifying that it is none other than a false messiah/false christ, who purports to speak truth (Dan 11:27; Matt 24:24) WT refers to the Beast of Rev 13:1 as an organization, which is very true. The false prophet directs the beast/organization to slander the “kings of the earth”. Rev 13:11,12 It also “gives breath” to this “organization”/beast, creating a “spirit-directed” image. Rev 13:15 Do we have evidence that the anointed “kings of the earth” have been overcome/conquered with slander in the Watchtower organization? “ Representing the royal priesthood are appointed elders, who serve in positions of responsibility in congregations of Jehovah’s people around the earth. These men deserve our respect and wholehearted support, whether they are of the anointed or not. Why? Because, through his holy spirit, Jehovah has appointed the older men to their positions. Rather than challenge their authority, we truly appreciate our hardworking elders! W02 8/1 p.14 Do you notice that no scriptural backing was given for this decision? Only that the decision must not be challenged? Can you think of a time when God was ever okay with “foreigners/”Gentiles”, anyone other than His chosen priesthood to serve as priests? (the anointed are spiritual “Israel” Rom 2:28,29; Gal 3:29) The article where the WT quote is from, is one prime example. (Num chapter 16). Korah challenged God’s appointed priesthood and was killed. I am not surprised at the boldness the WT showed in linking two challenges against God’s appointed priesthood, past and present, in one article. It shows the GB’s ability to push their agenda, despite scriptural truth. It shows that JWs prefer to listen to men and not the word of God. 2 Chron 13:9 - "Have you not driven out the priests of the LORD, the sons of Aaron and the Levites, and made for yourselves priests like the peoples of [other] lands? Whoever comes to consecrate himself with a young bull and seven rams, even he may become a priest of [what are] no gods.” Ezek 44:6-9 - “Now say to the rebellious, to the house of Israel, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “O house of Israel, let Us have no more of all your abominations. 7 When you brought in foreigners, uncircumcised in heart and uncircumcised in flesh, to be in My sanctuary to defile it—My house—and when you offered My food, the fat and the blood, then they broke My covenant because of all your abominations. 8 And you have not kept charge of My holy things, but you have set others to keep charge of My sanctuary for you.” 9 Thus says the Lord God: “No foreigner, uncircumcised in heart or uncircumcised in flesh, shall enter My sanctuary, including any foreigner who is among the children of Israel. The beast of Rev 16:13 “blasphemes” God’s sanctuary. The anointed priesthood ARE that sanctuary/Temple of God. 1 Cor 3:16,17 – “Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which temple you are.” Eph 2:19-22 - "Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone, in whom the whole building, being fitted together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit." Since the anointed are “living stones” of God’s Temple, (1 Pet 2:5,9) and “Gentiles” have usurped their position as God’s priests, the elders are the “man of lawlessness” treading down God’s Temple - standing where they "do not belong". Mark 13:14; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2 Rev 13:18 - Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666. Satan will produce plenty of visible signs to distract JWs and Christ’s “kings of the earth" from the true “battle” at hand. It is exactly what to expect from the Deceiver, and arch-enemy of Christ. Gen 3:15 “Behold, I am coming as a thief. Blessed is he who watches, and keeps his garments, lest he walk naked and they see his shame.” And they gathered them together to the place called in Hebrew, Armageddon. Rev 16:15,16 Who Are the Kings of the Earth? Pearl Doxsey
  6. There are abundant scriptures where God is referred to as "Father", but do you know of any scripture where God is referred to as Israel's "mother"? Jesus never made reference to a "mother" organization.
  7. Well, check this out. Here is one version of “wifelike organization” Contrary to the advice of the organization of Jehovah’s witnesses, the appointed servants in the Christian congregation and even their parents, some youngsters will at an early age get romantically involved with one of the opposite sex. Further, they fail to heed the counsel of Pr 1 verse 8 of the same chapter which says, “Listen, my son, to the discipline of your father, and do not forsake the law of your mother.” They do not listen to their parents and they do not listen to their heavenly Father, Jehovah, and their “mother,” Jehovah’s wifelike organization. w71 9/1 p. 526-527 This alludes to an earthly organization as Jehovah’s wifelike organization. Here is another: In what way did Jesus come forth from God’s “woman”? 7 God sent forth his Son, his first creation, from His wifelike organization of spirit creatures in heaven to be the promised “seed.” w09 12/15 pp. 20-24 This appears to be saying that an organization of angels conferred together with God to bring forth a “seed” – Jesus Christ. Which is really impossible. “The Lord possessed me at the beginning of His way, Before His works of old. Then I was beside Him as a master craftsman; And I was daily His delight, Rejoicing always before Him Prov 8:22,30 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. 17 And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. Col 1:15-17
  8. Look at Acts 17 again. I think you'll see that it is speaking not of Christ, but of God. "God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands. 25 Nor is He worshiped with men’s hands, as though He needed anything, since He gives to all life, breath, and all things. " God does not need a "wife-like organization" that the WT refers to as "heavenly Jerusalem". God doesn't need ANYTHING, which I think you'll agree. "Jerusalem above" is a "mother"/covenant/promise of life. but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all. 27 For it is written: “Rejoice, O barren, You who do not bear! Break forth and shout, You who are not in labor! For the desolate has many more children Than she who has a husband.” 28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are children of promise. Gal 4:27,28 The New Covenant promise is fulfilled once the "144,000"/Bride of Christ is sealed in the heavens. Rom 8:24,25; Rev 12:1,2,5; 2:26,27 Just as the old covenant brought forth a "seed", so too does the New Covenant. Gal 3:17,14,29; Eph 1:4,5,7-12; Rev 7:4; 14:1 These scripture tells us that "Jerusalem above" or "New Jerusalem" is the sealed Bride in Christ: Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea. 2 Then I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God. 4 And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away.” Rom 21:1-4
  9. Considering I am in ninth place for the amount of comments on this thread, perhaps I am not the only one who has strayed off topic. Again, "Jerusalem above" is a promise of life. The scriptures I gave, verify it as symbolic. It is not heavenly Jerusalem. Does God need a wife to become complete? nor is He served by human hands, as though He needed anything, since He Himself gives to all [people] life and breath and all things; Acts 17:25 You are saying that Christ was brought forth from of a "heavenly organization" Is that right? Col 1:15-18
  10. Okay, it originated with AlanF and Arauna repeated it. I do not keep up on AlanF and Arauna's involved conversations. It was Arauna's mention of it, that I remember seeing. Nonetheless, many, especially elders, have referred to the organization as "mother". AlanF is not far off base in using it, at all.
  11. "Mommy Watchtower" is Arauna's phrase, Allen. You know it's not uncommon to hear JWs call the organization, "Mother", using Gal 4:26 as their excuse. Instead, a "mother" or "woman" in the scriptures can represent covenants....promises..... For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. 23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise, 24 which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar— 25 for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children— 26 but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all. Gal 4:22-26 (Gal 3:18) That promise of life will be fulfilled when the Bride of Christ is complete and united with Christ. She will brings forth "her" children in the Kingdom of God. Isa 54:1-17;Rev 21:2; 22:17
  12. Simply because of the term you have used…”mommy Watchtower”, and what it has to offer. Someone commented on a video made of the construction of Warwick, that if the name “Jehovah” were to be replaced by “Watchtower” in the comments made, the JW god is revealed. Examples: “THE fine progress being made at the construction site of the new world headquarters in Warwick, New York, is certainly evidence of Jehovah’s backing and support.” THE fine progress being made at the construction site of the new world headquarters in Warwick, New York, is certainly evidence of Watchtower’s backing and support. yb16 pp. 18-19 Back to 1983: “Nevertheless, 10,468 gathered at the nearby Warwick Farm racetrack to hear a program that gave encouragement to press on with the expansion of Jehovah’s work during these “last days.” Nevertheless, 10,468 gathered at the nearby Warwick Farm racetrack to hear a program that gave encouragement to press on with the expansion of Watchtower’s work during these “last days.” w83 8/1 pp. 28-31 This entirely explains why the organization is now building a mega media center when it is also taught that Armageddon is imminent at the same moment in time. Would the true God offer us such a confusing message, or would it be Satan, the master of confusion and deceit? (Rev 16:13,14) This should cause every JW concern for what they are slaving for. (Matt 6:24; Rom 1:25; 6:16) Watchtower’s work must push on in the earthly realm of Satan. If Armageddon was so imminent, the anointed would not be slaving for the work of man’s hands. (2 Cor 6:16) They would be preparing their hearts for the Kingdom to come and serving only one Master. (Rev 2:20; 3:1-3, 15-18) Their focus would not be on investing their money and time into earthly pie-in-the-sky developments. Solomon was blessed with wisdom and material riches. Yet he said, I increased my achievements. I built houses and planted vineyards for myself. 5 I made gardens and parks for myself and planted every kind of fruit tree in them. 6 I constructed reservoirs of water for myself from which to irrigate a grove of flourishing trees. 7 I acquired male and female servants and had slaves who were born in my house. I also owned many herds of cattle and flocks, more than all who were before me in Jerusalem. 8 I also amassed silver and gold for myself, and the treasure of kings and provinces. I gathered male and female singers for myself, and many concubines, the delights of men. 9 So I became great and surpassed all who were before me in Jerusalem; my wisdom also remained with me. 10 All that my eyes desired, I did not deny them. I did not refuse myself any pleasure, for I took pleasure in all my struggles. This was my reward for all my struggles. 11 When I considered all that I had accomplished and what I had labored to achieve, I found everything to be futile and a pursuit of the wind. There was nothing to be gained under the sun. Then I turned to consider wisdom, madness, and folly, for what will the man be like who comes after the king? He will do what has already been done. 13 And I realized that there is an advantage to wisdom over folly, like the advantage of light over darkness. 14 The wise man has eyes in his head, but the fool walks in darkness.” Eccl 2:4-14 Just like the majority of JWs, the anointed in the organization are also swept up by what their “god” offers – peace and security, even prominence in the organization, while convinced they are doing God's will. (1 Thess 5:3) When Israel went into exile in Babylon for their idolatry (2 Chron 36:14-16) many didn’t care to leave after the 70 years had passed. They treasured the life they had built for themselves. Leaving it all behind didn’t sound like a good proposition. That would mean leaving their cultivated land, friends and possibly family members. After all, Babylon was a beautiful place to live in and very progressive for its time. However, there were those who mourned over their captivity and the destruction of God’s Temple. They perceived their own wickedness. Most likely they were among those who left when God gave the order to restore Jerusalem through Cyrus. (Ps 137; Ezra 1:2; 2 Chron 36:22,23) Despite what man achieves in the world, Satan has authority over the world. (John 12:31) It brings with it, the promise of death. (Isa 28:18; Luke 4:5-8) WT’s focus is what can be accomplished through whatever the world of Satan has to offer. Christ is simply, light and life; and he offers the promise of life if and only if, we choose that simple route God has provided us through His son’s sacrifice. (2 Cor 11:1-4) Today’s “Babylon” is a spiritual captivity that again takes God’s people captive – God’s “Israel”. They are surrounded by “foreigners” in a delusion of “peace and security” that is in reality ,the promise of darkness and death. They have been overcome by a “Gentile” power that rules over them – the elders who can judge them as “dead” for rejecting the idol, and their subtle accusations (from the "accuser") by words stated in the magazines listed previously. But JWs take it with a grain of salt, fully accepting the words of men over the words of God. (Num 3:10; Ezek 44:6-9; Rev 11:1,2; 13:5-9, 15) We are warned not to become captive to empty philosophy, to false prophets who deceive God’s chosen people “Israel”; false “messiah’s” who say, “I am He”. (Col 2:8; Matt 7:15; Mark 13:22; 2 Tim 4:3,4; 2 Pet 2) But the delusion is so powerful, so inviting, that “Israel” and thousands with them, fall for its offer of salvation. (Luke 21:24; Rev 13:10; 2 Thess 2:9,10) Each one of us who were/are JWs, have/had made the choice for an organization to lead us to salvation, a practice of idolatry. If we proclaim that we didn't dedicate ourselves to "Jehovah's organization", yet we’re still a member of it, then we deceive ourselves in believing that it must be the only path to salvation. We are being judged on that choice. (Luke 22:31; Matt 13:30) This is Satan’s extraordinary scheme to “surround the saints” with his ‘diabolical’ plan to wipe out the “remaining ones of the woman’s seed”, using falsehoods and empty philosophy to do so. (Ezek 38:8-12; Rev 20:7-9; 12:13) Devil - διάβολος diábolos, dee-ab'-ol-os; from G1225; a traducer; specially, Satan (compare H7854):—false accuser, devil, slanderer. The Watchtower no longer recognizes the anointed as God’s Temple. (Eph 2:20-22; 1 Cor 3:16,17) Gradually, they have removed themselves from this truth and now teach all JWs as the Temple of God and Body of Christ. (Rev 16:13,14) You also hold the belief that every JW is “Israel”. Forty-five years in the organization, I believe you said. Is this what they taught you about the anointed when you first entered the organization? Their teachings now, support the representation of God’s priesthood as the elders. Because of this gradual change, most anointed go along with it, too apathetic to stand up for the true Temple of God, and are content letting false prophets lead them. (Rev 13:11-13) By doing so, they are rejecting their rightful place in God’s Temple/priesthood. (Rev 11:1-3) Satan is accomplishing just what he wants, before the end, to drown the “woman” covenant promise, with his lies. (Gal 4:26; Rev 8:10,11;12:1-4,15 ) Those anointed who leave “Babylon” where God’s people are held captive to falsehoods, and listen to Christ's warnings, are part of the “restoration work” and completion of God’s Temple/Body of Christ.(Zech 4:7) And as they were coming down from the mountain, Jesus commanded them saying, “Tell no one the vision until the Son of Man is raised from the dead.” 10 And the disciples asked him, saying, “Then why do the scribes say that Elijah must come first?” 11 And he answered and said, “Elijah indeed is coming, and will restore all things.” Nehemiah was in charge of restoring the Temple once God’s people left Babylon. God has chosen His servants today to “restore” His remaining temple “stones” with the truth of Christ. Only in this way will they become "sealed". These are the “two witnesses” who announce His people’s sins, and reveal the “man of lawlessness” standing/sitting in the Temple, treading down His priesthood. (Matt 24:15,16) The call is to leave “Babylon”, even at the cost of your “life”. (Jer 3:14,15; Luke 17:34-37; John 16:2; Matt 24:28; Rev 11:7,8; 13:15; 6:9; 18:4-8) This restoration work isn’t happening with the advent of the WT, since God’s anointed Temple stones are “trampled”, while its counterfeit/organization continues to visibly build its tower. (Gen 11:4) Proof? Christendom may have its lies, but so does the Watchtower – a 100-year record of them. “Zion” is built solely on Truth. (Zech 8:3; Rev 21:27) Many choose to remain just where they are, too comfortable or too afraid to lose their “land”/belief, family and friends that they have built in “Babylon”. They refuse to nourish an undivided faith in God and Christ. (Exod 20:3,4; Matt 22:37-40) And those who heard it said, “Who then can be saved?” 27 But He said, “The things which are impossible with men are possible with God.” 28 Then Peter said, “See, we have left all and followed You.” 29 So He said to them, “Assuredly, I say to you, there is no one who has left house or parents or brothers or wife or children, for the sake of the kingdom of God, 30 who shall not receive many times more in this present time, and in the age to come eternal life.” Luke 18:26-30 For consideration, "The Last Harlot and Her Beast", 4womaninthewilderness blogspot, Pearl Doxsey
  13. You are basically saying that the GB is applying their words not to bond with other anointed ones to themselves; while on the other hand they have approved of their bonding/ gathering with their own body of “Gentiles”. They have whom they have picked, while rejecting those whom God and Christ have already chosen to serve them. I’m sorry, but you are blind to the true motives behind your leadership. As I have said, telling the anointed not to bond and study the Bible together transgresses what is written in God’s Word. You are choosing men’s excuses over what is written in the Bible. The anointed Body of Christ: The eye cannot say to the hand, “I don’t need you!” And the head cannot say to the feet, “I don’t need you!” 22 On the contrary, those parts of the body that seem to be weaker are indispensable, 23 and the parts that we think are less honorable we treat with special honor. And the parts that are unpresentable are treated with special modesty, 24 while our presentable parts need no special treatment. But God has put the body together, giving greater honor to the parts that lacked it, 25 so that there should be no division in the body, but that its parts should have equal concern for each other. 1 Cor 12:21-25 The entire Body is necessary to impart truth under Christ. The GB has no respect for God’s arrangement, since it contradicts their desire to build another "temple" - the organization - rather than support God's Temple in the anointed priesthood. 1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17 Even so the body is not made up of one part but of many. 1 Cor 12:14 For by the grace given me I say to every one of you: Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought, but rather think of yourself with sober judgment, in accordance with the faith God has distributed to each of you. 4 For just as each of us has one body with many members, and these members do not all have the same function, 5 so in Christ we, though many, form one body, and each member belongs to all the others. 6 We have different gifts, according to the grace given to each of us. If your gift is prophesying, then prophesy in accordance with you faith; 7 if it is serving, then serve; if it is teaching, then teach; 8 if it is to encourage, then give encouragement; if it is giving, then give generously; if it is to lead do it diligently; if it is to show mercy, do it cheerfully. Rom 12:3-8 Is the apostle Paul telling the anointed at that time period not to bond together? No, just the opposite; so, why do you accept the GB’s regulations that the anointed are NOT to bond? Their rules defy the rules of Christ! Their authority is magnified above the authority Christ has for his own Body! Mark 13:22 And JWs have naively accepted it. Here is the scripture you used previously, Rom 16:17 - I urge you, brothers and sisters, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them. 18 For such people are not serving our Lord Christ, but their own appetites. By smooth talk and flattery they deceive the minds of naive people. These scriptures target the GB succinctly, as the wicked slave. The trait of this wicked servant in Matt 24:48-51, is his choice to beat down his fellow servants – his fellow anointed ones. This is not a literal beating, but accomplished through the use of falsehoods that the two articles are full of. This “slave” has chosen his cohorts/elder body to carry out the job of keeping his fellow servants obedient to HIS regulations. The falsehoods that the wicked slave teaches – the spiritual food that he supplies – has caused spiritual drunkenness among all JWs. Can you see how you readily accept their teachings over the apostle Paul’s? The elder body, drunk on this “harlot’s” wine, willingly accepts the role to carry out the wicked slave’s decrees. They willingly follow orders to judge God’s anointed people as “dead”, who reject the wicked slave’s rulings. Rev 13:5,7,15 “I have told you these things so that you won’t be staggered by all that lies ahead 2 For you will be excommunicated from the synagogues, and indeed the time is coming when those who kill you will think they are doing God a service. 3 This is because they have never known the Father or me.” John 16:1-3 That is because the GB have severed themselves from Christ as their Head. They no longer have his Holy Spirit. If you believe that they are led by Christ, how can this be done if Christ doesn't inspire them with his Holy Spirit? Is Christ not inspired? How else would he direct an anointed to do God's will? If it is true that the anointed do not have any "special" type of Holy Spirit than anyone else, what is the point of being anointed? They are the Temple of God, His "dwelling" and the source of truth for the children of God to come. 2 Cor 6:16 "But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and all of you know the truth." "As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you don't need anyone to teach you. Instead, his anointing teaches you about all things and is true and is not a lie; just as it has taught you, remain in him." 1 John 2:20,27 They carry the laws of God on their heart. But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws into their minds and write them on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be My people. Heb 8:10 Which allows them as priests to teach the people God's ways. "For the lips of a priest should guard knowledge, and people should seek instruction from his mouth, because he is the messenger of the Lord of Hosts." Mal 2:7 The GB expects JWs to "seek instruction" from the elder body who are obviously a counterfeit priesthood. Because the GB reject the members of Christ's Body, they no longer remain in Christ. “I am the vine; you are the branches. The one who remains in Me and I in him produces much fruit, because you can do nothing without Me" John 15:5
  14. !!! Awesome. If they are not a threat, if the GB are not afraid of what the anointed may do behind their back, then there would be no reason for two articles (1/2016, 1/2020) explaining that they must not bond or gather together. There would be no reason to spread doubt in a JW mind of who is, and who isn't anointed. Do those of the other sheep need to know the names of all those who are anointed today? The short answer is no. Why not? Because even if someone has received the heavenly calling, that person has received only an invitation, not a final confirmation of the reward. That is why Satan raises up “false prophets . . . to mislead, if possible, even the chosen ones.” (Matt. 24:24) Wt 1/2016 "We Want to Go With You" Dare you apply this paragraph to the GB? Of course not! Who would question their authenticity but another anointed one!
  15. The organization is the arrangement by men, not by God. Until around a hundred years ago, how do you believe the anointed ones gathered and encouraged one another? Matt 18:20 Through some sort of organization? John 4:21-24 The WT calls the Beast of Rev 13:1 an “organization”. Notice: Rev 20:4 - And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. This “thousand years” began in the first century, before the Beast of Revelation 13:1 ever came on the scene. Ps 110:1-3; 2:2,3,9; 2:26,27 Any who “reign with Christ” are anointed ones. Yet, this beast spoken of in Rev 20 is also found blaspheming the sanctuary/Temple/saints of God and “killing” them for not “worshiping” its spirit-directed image.The Wt recognizes the presence of the two Beasts of Revelation in the last days. Rev 13:5-7 - And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue for forty-two months. 6 Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven. 7 It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation. These set of scriptures are speaking of two different time periods, one before the beast/organization came into existence, and then its effect on the anointed saints once established. Those before its existence were not part of an earthly organization that required one’s devotion and identity. They lost their lives by giving “witness” to Christ and truth. Those “saints” whom the Beast are at war with in Rev 13:5-7 are overcome by it. They are the anointed remnant of the last days. If they refused to identify themselves (reject its mark) with the beast/organization, or give devotion through servitude and dedication to it, the false prophet (Rev 13:11) directs the “organization” to “kill” them. This Beast/organization has an image as “spirit-directed”. Rev 13:11 – “Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth, and he had two horns like a lamb and spoke like a dragon.” False prophets are utilized by Satan to spread his lies. 2 Cor 11:11-15 This Beast/false prophet directs the Beast/organization. Rev 13:15-17 - He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed. 16 He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, 17 and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Under this false prophet’s rule, no one is to “buy or sell” any teachings other than what the false prophet teaches. Anthony Morris explicitly stated in a video that obedience to “decrees” that come from the organization are to be obeyed; because they apparently, magically, in an uninspired way, come from God. How do you think anointed ones are disfellowshipped? Those with the courage to stand for truth will reject not only the “mark of the beast”/organization, but also its false teachings. The presumed steward ruling over the spiritual house of God (the anointed ones Eph 2:20-22) in the organization is wicked. (Luke 12:45,46) No dissension, no break in the operation of perceived “unity” is tolerated. To reveal the false authority of the elder body over God’s Temple members as Pearl has done, results in “killing” by the beast/organization. Rev 11:1-3,7 - Then I was given a reed like a measuring rod. And the angel stood, saying, “Rise and measure the temple of God, the altar, and those who worship there. 2 But leave out the court which is outside the temple, and do not measure it, for it has been given to the Gentiles. And they will tread the holy city underfoot for forty-two months. And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy one thousand two hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth. When they finish their testimony, the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit will make war against them, overcome them, and kill them. Yet, each anointed one, and also their companions, who are disfellowshipped for upholding Christ’s teachings by rejecting falsehoods and rule of a “man of lawlessness”/elder body lording it over his anointed priest/Temple…are the true victors. Rev 15:2 - And I saw something like a sea of glass mingled with fire, and those who have the victory over the beast, over his image and over his mark and over the number of his name, standing on the sea of glass, having harps of God. The faithful anointed of Rev 20 were never exposed to the Beast in order to gain victory over it. Only the final remnant are submitted to this final test that Satan has devised. 2 Thess 2:3,4,9,10 Rev 20:7-9 - Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. 9 They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. Armageddon is a war between “kings of the earth”, those Christ has authority over, not governmental leaders. Rev 1:5; 5:9,10 It is a war of spoken truth coming out of the mouth of Christ’s faithful ones, against spoken lies coming out of the mouth of Satan’s “ministers”. Rev 16:13,14 - 13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs coming out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 For they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty. You and all JWs, anointed and not anointed, are “gathered” under an “umbrella organization” and fed by a leadership that has a track record of falsehoods that rivals that of many other religious organizations. Yet, since it is “Jehovah’s organization”, all of you believe, “Who is like the beast? Who is able to make war with him?” Rev 13:4
  16. The GB have done a fine job of spreading lying doctrines. They are the ones who have created a class system. In fact your magazines have called the anointed a “class”. Check out their illustrations of the “144,000” ruling from literal thrones in heaven and all appearing identical as white men with white beards. That better fits your description of anointed bunched together in one place. Just as Jesus appeared to his disciples after he was resurrected, he and the faithful Bride/anointed will walk the earth with God’s children. They are the “new creation”, of which we talked about in the past, Arauna. 2 Cor 5:17 Priests were to teach the people, and God’s priests will continue to teach what they learn in “heaven”, and aiding Christ on earth. They are the “dwelling” of the Spirit of God, and part of the Temple of God. (1Cor 3:16,17) Their presence on earth with Christ will bring God’s Spirit to His children. Mal 2:7; Rev 21:1-2; 22:17 Gen 28:12 Then he dreamed, and behold, a ladder was set up on the earth, and its top reached to heaven; and there the angels of God were ascending and descending on it. John 1:51 - And He said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, hereafter you shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of Man.” Acts 1:11 - “Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven.” Heb 1:6 - But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says: “Let all the angels of God worship Him.” Jesus’ sealed Bride/priests are “angels”. Angel means “messenger”. Mal 2:7 - “For the lips of a priest should keep knowledge, And people should seek the law from his mouth; For he is the messenger of the Lord of hosts. There are also topics on this forum about anointed women teaching. I must say, you do a pretty good job “teaching” everyone here about how prophesy will be fulfilled. Don’t you “teach” your Bible students? The only difference I see of women teaching in the kingdom hall is the amount of people they are looking at when they do so. It’s absolutely bogus. Romans 16:1 - I commend to you Phoebe our sister, who is a servant of the church in Cenchrea, 2 that you may receive her in the Lord in a manner worthy of the saints, and assist her in whatever business she has need of you; for indeed she has been a helper of many and of myself also. This Greek word for “servant” means… διάκονος diákonos, dee-ak'-on-os; probably from an obsolete διάκω diákō (to run on errands; compare G1377); an attendant, i.e. (genitive case) a waiter (at table or in other menial duties); specially, a Christian teacher and pastor (technically, a deacon or deaconess):—deacon, minister, servant. Do prophets in the Body, “teach”? In order to reveal God’s message, they must teach. 1 Cor 12:8 - And God has appointed these in the church: first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, varieties of tongues. The apostles, prophets and teachers were ALL TEACHERS! Acts 21:7-9 - And when we had finished our voyage from Tyre, we came to Ptolemais, greeted the brethren, and stayed with them one day. 8 On the next day we who were Paul’s companions departed and came to Caesarea, and entered the house of Philip the evangelist, who was one of the seven, and stayed with him. 9 Now this man had four virgin daughters who prophesied. There is humility, and then there is cowardliness. Jesus was humble, but he wasn’t a coward when speaking to the Pharisees. Every anointed one under Christ must acknowledge their Head, Christ. They must only answer to him. If not, they have lost “salt” in themselves. They no longer shine their “light”. Matt 5:13-16 God’s people in the last days, are “trampled” down by a Beast/organization guided by a composite “false prophet”. Rev chapter 13 Rev 13:5-7 - And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue for forty-two months. 6 Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven. 7 It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation. The elder body/GB has spoken "blasphemies" about God's sanctuary/Temple/anointed. To tell those who are the dwelling of God's Holy Spirit that they must not bond together, is tyranny and blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. 2 Thess 2:3,4 - Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. If the anointed in the organization do not have the courage to stand up against false doctrine and a false priesthood that has been given false authority to JUDGE them, they are in peril of losing their place in the Body. This is prophesy concerning the remnant, that is being fulfilled. For those who understand what is taking place with God's anointed “living stones”, (1 Pet 2:5,9; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1-3) they are to FLEE. Matt 24:15,16; 2 Thess 2:9-12 The Disgusting Thing Standing in the Holy Place - https://pearl-disgustingthing.blogspot.com/
  17. I have no problem. But, apparently you cannot decipher what the WT is telling you. WT, 1/2016: "They DO NOT SEEK OUT OTHERS who claim to have the same calling, HOPING TO BOND WITH THEM or endeavoring to form private groups for Bible study" = the Body is to remain APART AND DIVIDED. 1 Cor 12:25: "That there should be NO SCHISM ("DIVISION, SPLIT, RENT, DISSENSION") in the body, but that the members should have the same care for one another." = The Body is to BOND TOGETHER Who have the authority to judge the faith of another, including the anointed ones? Who has the authority to judge one as spiritually "dead", including the anointed ones? Who disfellowships individuals for answering only to Christ and not the GB? WHO MAKES THE JUDGMENT CALL CONCERNING ANOTHER'S STANDING BEFORE GOD? Wouldn't you say that the elders, as a majority, feel privileged to possess the power given them to judge another in place of Christ? After all, the WT calls it a "privilege" to serve "God" in this way. Dan 8:24,25 Again Anna, what will you believe, men's doctrine or God's word? "Who are you to judge another’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand." Rom 14:4
  18. Don't you see that scripture contradicts this ordinance made by men? If the anointed were to "gather" as the elder body and helpers "gather", what do you think might happen? Another point of view that would threaten the GB's teachings? Wouldn't you say the helpers and GB gather "exclusively?" And, if they can do it, why not God's anointed ones? The point is the GB are afraid their leadership will be challenged by a united body of anointed ones. So, they are not to BOND TOGETHER, as the 1/2016 WT stated. The GB have separated from their Head, Christ, "puffed up" in their "fleshy minds" that they must have total control over the anointed. Col 2:18,19 No anointed one is to wield authority over another. 1 Cor 12 expresses that clearly. You may just want to read it. There is only one Master that the anointed are to answer to, Jesus Christ.
  19. There is to be no division in the anointed Body of Christ. 1 Cor 12:25 I posted 1 Cor 12:13-25 in my comment; just now added the scripture link it came from.
  20. Anna, YOU are missing the point. In addition, anointed Christians do not view themselves as being part of an elite club. They do not seek out others who claim to have the same calling, hoping to bond with them or endeavoring to form private groups for Bible study. (Gal. 1:15-17) Such efforts would cause divisions within the congregation and work against the holy spirit, which promotes peace and unity. wt 1/2016, "We Want to Go With You" No bonding, no studying with other anointed ones. This is oppression of a people. This is men telling other people how to worship God, and these people are God's "special possession". 1 Pet 2:5,9 This is men acting as false "christs". Matt 24:24 It is more important to uphold the unity of an earthly organization than to allow unity among spiritual "Israel". The Body of Christ: Just as a body, though one, has many parts, but all its many parts form one body, so it is with Christ. 13 For we were all baptized by one Spirit so as to form one body—whether Jews or Gentiles, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink. 14 Even so the body is not made up of one part but of many. 15 Now if the foot should say, “Because I am not a hand, I do not belong to the body,” it would not for that reason stop being part of the body. 16 And if the ear should say, “Because I am not an eye, I do not belong to the body,” it would not for that reason stop being part of the body. 17 If the whole body were an eye, where would the sense of hearing be? If the whole body were an ear, where would the sense of smell be? 18 But in fact God has placed the parts in the body, every one of them, just as he wanted them to be. 19 If they were all one part, where would the body be? 20 As it is, there are many parts, but one body. 21 The eye cannot say to the hand, “I don’t need you!” And the head cannot say to the feet, “I don’t need you!” 22 On the contrary, those parts of the body that seem to be weaker are indispensable, 23 and the parts that we think are less honorable we treat with special honor. And the parts that are unpresentable are treated with special modesty, 24 while our presentable parts need no special treatment. But God has put the body together, giving greater honor to the parts that lacked it, 25 so that there should be no division in the body, but that its parts should have equal concern for each other. 26 If one part suffers, every part suffers with it; if one part is honored, every part rejoices with it. 27 Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it. 28 And God has placed in the church first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healing, of helping, of guidance, and of different kinds of tongues. 29 Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles? 30 Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues? Do all interpret? 31 Now eagerly desire the greater gifts. 1 Cor 12:12-31 Can an anointed one in the organization "suffer" , "rejoice", with another anointed if they can't seek them out? The sad thing about this, is the majority of the anointed allow it to happen.
  21. Somehow you missed how the elders judged the victim, a 14 year old girl, as the one to be blamed. Depends on the laws at the time? What about God's laws fulfilled in Christ? For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” Gal 5:14 Did the elders enact that law when speaking with the victim? The first to respond to the issue were the elders, whose response only added to the trauma the victim was suffering. The biggest flaw here, is the system that the girl depended on to give her spiritual support. The elders' "hasty decision" aided the woman to consider suicide.
  22. Highlights and caps are mine. Arauna, I thought you might be interested in this latest news article. While your statement above appears to show leniency to the perpetrator, please see how this woman as a young girl, was judged by the elders. Man who raped Jehovah's Witness girls sentenced to 5 years in prison "It’s finally over. This chapter is finally closed," Moriah Hughes, who was 14 when then-25-year-old Elihu Rodriguez sexually abused her, said. Nov. 20, 2019, 9:49 AM PST By Elizabeth Chuck A man who pleaded guilty to raping two underage girls he met through the Jehovah's Witness congregation they all belonged to has been sentenced to five years in prison — a "relief" to his victims. Elihu Rodriguez, 32, of Yakima, Washington, was given five years, the maximum sentence prosecutors had asked for, after Rodriguez pleaded guilty to three felony counts of child rape in the third degree in September. He was also ordered to register as a sex offender. Both of his victims attended the sentencing, which took place Friday at the King County Maleng Regional Justice Center in Kent, Washington. NBC News does not typically identify survivors of sexual abuse, but one of Rodriguez's victims, Moriah Hughes, chose to share her story last year. She said she had been five days away from turning 15 when Rodriguez, then 25, first raped her in October 2012 at her home in Federal Way, Washington. Hughes told NBC News after Rodriguez was sentenced that she "felt fantastic" knowing he was going to be behind bars. "It’s finally over. This chapter is finally closed," she said. "I can continue my life knowing that the trauma was worth it. I didn’t go through this for nothing. I was justified." At Rodriguez's sentencing, Hughes described to the court how her life was "completely derailed" by the abuse. Through tears, she said religious leaders put the blame on her, and said, “my life was hell.” "I couldn’t sleep, I couldn’t eat and when I did I was so on edge, the smallest upset would cause me to purge whatever I had consumed into the nearest toilet," Hughes, 22, said in a victim impact statement, adding that she was later diagnosed with post-traumatic stress disorder and that something as benign-seeming as cologne that smelled like Rodriguez's would cause her to have a debilitating panic attack. At one point, Hughes said at the sentencing, she was so crippled by depression, she contemplated ending her life. She told the court that she wrote a suicide note last year to her friends and family "apologizing for not being stronger, begging someone to 'please, love my cat, Goose.'" Hughes said she felt ashamed and confused by what was happening, and at first did not tell anyone. But when she moved to Fairfield, Washington, about a year later, she worked up the courage to report it to three elders at her congregation there. In both her interview with NBC News and in the victim impact statement that she read in court, Hughes said that there were times when she doubted Rodriguez would be ever be disciplined. The elders she reported the rape to "basically told me that it was my fault. They told me that I wasn't sorry enough to God … They had used the Bible to victim-shame me for what I had done, and they never did anything to him," Hughes told NBC News in October 2018, weeks after a jury in a separate case awarded $35 million to a Montana woman who claimed Jehovah's Witnesses covered up the abuse she suffered at the hands of a congregation member as a child. (Two months ago, an attorney for the Jehovah’s Witnesses asked the Montana Supreme Court to reverse the $35 million verdict; the court did not make an immediate ruling). Hughes filed charges through the King County Superior Court in Washington in July 2018. The three felony charges Rodriguez pleaded guilty to a couple months ago encompassed the abuse against Hughes, as well as against a 12- or 13-year-old Jehovah's Witness girl he allegedly had a relationship with around the same time. Press officers for the Jehovah’s Witnesses have not commented on Rodriguez’s arrest or conviction. Last year, when Hughes disclosed the allegations of abuse to NBC News, the Office of Public Information at the World Headquarters said in an email that "it would be inappropriate for us to comment on specific cases." Hughes has since left the religion and works in the Spokane, Washington, area as an administrative assistant at a private medical company. She originally spoke to NBC News under her married name, Smith, but has since got divorced and now uses her maiden name. Gregory L. Scott, Rodriguez's Yakima-based attorney, told NBC News that Rodriguez is "extremely remorseful." For Hughes, remorse is not enough. She is working with attorney Irwin Zalkin, whose San Diego law firm has been litigating against Jehovah's Witnesses across the country for nearly two decades, to file a civil suit against the Jehovah's Witnesses. Zalkin said he is likely to file the suit in the coming month. Do I feel that they have a practice of protecting predators? Absolutely. Not a question," Zalkin said. "They have no clue about grooming. They have no training or understanding of how sexual predators work." Zalkin has brought more than 30 lawsuits against the Jehovah's Witnesses related to claims of childhood sexual abuse, about a third of which have successfully ended in settlements, he said. Zalkin said the upcoming civil suit will likely name the congregation where Hughes' abuse occurred, the congregation where she reported it, as well as the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses, among other entities. There was no response to calls from NBC News this week from the congregations. The public information desk for the U.S. branch of Jehovah's Witnesses told NBC News in an email that "child protection is a priority for Jehovah’s Witnesses," calling child sexual abuse "a gross sin and a wicked deed." "Governed by the law of the Christ, our congregations do not shield perpetrators of abuse from the consequences of their sins," it said. "Elders endeavor to comply with secular laws about reporting allegations of abuse. Such laws do not conflict with God’s law. So when they learn of an allegation, elders immediately seek direction on how they can comply with laws about reporting it," the statement said. Hughes said she hopes by taking legal action against the Jehovah's Witnesses, she can prevent what happened to her from happening to anyone else. "That would be really awesome," she said. "It's a good thing coming from a bad thing." https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/man-who-raped-jehovah-s-witness-girls-sentenced-5-years-n1082136
  23. EDIT - "Anything and everything that happens on the worldly scene between rulers of this world, is a counterfeit of the true battle at hand, which concerns God's anointed "kings of the earth" - between the faithful and those anointed who have fallen in with Satan"

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