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  1. On 10/15/2021 at 10:01 AM, Witness said:

    We already know that the anointed saints are surround by a number like the sand of the sea – the massive elder body who have usurped their position as God’s priests, ending their daily sacrifice to God.  (Ezek 44:6-9)

    I am in error here and I apologize.  Even though the army (Ezek 38:4,7; Joel 2:1-5;1:4,6; Rev 9: 2,3,7-9,5; 13:11,12,5-7)  that comes against remnant of God’s holy saints in the last days is massive and devastating, that army is not the “sand of the sea”.  This, refers to God’s people - Gen 22:17; Gal 3:26; Hos 1:10; 1 Pet 2:5,9,10

  2. On 10/15/2021 at 6:31 AM, xero said:

    I swear, you simply have to be either asbergers or autistic because analogies appear to be impossible for you to understand.

    No, they are not impossible to understand, it’s just that you chose the wrong analogy.  GB member A. Morris once said that as the apostles had set decrees, so too, does the governing body.  They have set their own analogy, in the manner of the apostles.  But since these teach an earthly organization can be “inspired”, (“spirit-directed organization”), (Rev 13:15)   while they personally are not, truthfully they are false apostles.  “For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ.” 2 Cor 11:13

    Since they pass doctrine and forecast dates of Armageddon and the coming Kingdom, they set their own analogy as prophets.  But since these doctrines and predictions fail, they are truthfully, false prophets.Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many.”  Matt 24:11

    Since they only, among all anointed, take on the role of dispensing spiritual food, they have set their own analogy as the “faithful and discreet slave”, teachers solely in charge of providing “fruit”/sustenance for the house of God.  But since their teachings do not last, but rot, they are in essence, false teachers.  “But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves.”  2 Pet 2:1  “So then, you will recognize them by their fruit.”  Matt 7:20

    Putting themselves ahead of all Christ’s brothers and sisters, has set their own analogy as already deemed the “faithful and discreet slave”, but since they silence the anointed by telling them to obey the exalted elder body(2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2), which prevents them from acting as the priest/teachers God appointed them to be - offering their daily sacrifice as they should (Dan 8:11,12) – this GB is truthfully, the evil slave of Matt 24:48-51.  “The kings (elders) of the Gentiles rule over their subjects, and those in authority over them (over the Gentile elders) are called ‘friends of the people.’(GB)  But that’s not the way it will be with you. Instead, the greatest among you must become like a person of lower status and the leader like a servant.”  Luke 22:25-26

    These men set their own analogy by stating they are servants of Christ – "anointed" ones  following the path Jesus set before us.   But since they “kill” their own brothers and sisters who cannot accept their false teachings (Rev 13:11,12,15), they are truthfully, false “christs”.  “False christs and false prophets will appear, and they will offer signs and wonders in order to deceive, if possible, those whom God has chosen.”  Mark 13:22 

    There are many analogies to make concerning the GB, but Cyrus is not one of them.

     

     

     

  3. 8 hours ago, BroRando said:

    the clouds of heaven: Clouds tend to obstruct vision rather than facilitate it, but observers can “see” with eyes of understanding.—Ac 1:9.

     

    "But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of *angels* ("messengers" Mal 2:7; 1 Pet 2:5,9),  to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfectto Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel."  Heb 12:22-24

    "Therefore we also, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesseslet us lay aside every weight, and the sin which so easily ensnares us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us"  Heb 12:1

    3 "And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy one thousand two hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth.”   

    "When they finish their testimony, the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit will make war against them, overcome them, and kill them." 

     "Now after the three-and-a-half days the breath of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and great fear fell on those who saw them. 12 And they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, “Come up here.” And they ascended to heaven in a cloud, and their enemies saw them."  Rev 11:3,7,11,12

    "For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are  asleep.  For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord."  1 Thess 4:15-17

    For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. 19 For the earnest expectation of the creation eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God.  Rom 8:18,19

    "Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen."  Rev 1:7

    "Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory."  Matt 24:30

    "But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says:  'Let all the *angels* of God worship Him.'”   And of the angels He says: Who makes His angels spirits  And His ministers a flame of fire.” Heb 1:6,7

    Jesus answered and said to him, “Because I said to you, ‘I saw you under the fig tree,’ do you believe? You will see greater things than these.” 51 And He said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, hereafter you shall see heaven open, and the *angels* of God ascending and descending upon the Son of Man.”  John 1:50,51

     

     

     

     

     

  4. 3 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

    Some of those Anointed are still living and will not have 'proven' themselves until their death or until they are taken up from this Earth. So then how has that 'thousand years' finished ?  Unless you are saying all the Anointed HAVE NOW proved themselves. 

    We have the faithful and sealed,  144,000” who never worshipped Revelation’s end time Wild Beast from the Sea.  They were blameless “and lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years”.  Rev 20:4

    We also have the anointed remnant in the last days -  “remaining ones of the woman’s seed”, who are “taken captive by empty philosophy”.  (Col 2:8,1 Tim 4:1; Rev 13:10)  Satan deceives them with a flood of lies. This is how he “makes war” with them.  (Rev 12:3,4,15)

    Matt 24:24,25 –  “For false messiahs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders to lead astray, if possible, even the elect. Take note: I have told you in advance.”

    Through this captivity, the anointed worship the Beast, they give their obedience to men and the beast/organization.  They bear its “mark”; but there are some who “conquer” the Beast/organization by sacrificing their life for Christ. (John 16:2; Rev 11:1-3,7; 13:15; 15:2) They also must repent to receive their “white robe washed in the blood of the lamb”. (Heb 10:22; Rev 7:14)

    The symbolic thousand years ended with the emergence of the Wild Beast from the Sea and the Beast with “two horns” like a lamb, but spoke like a dragon” – descriptive of false prophets.  (Rev 13:11,12)

    Gog and Magog of Rev 20:7,8 = the two Beasts of Rev 13.  One represents false prophets of “Israel”, (“Gog”), and one represents the “man of lawlessness”/organization (“Magog”) and an army that persecutes the saints.  (Joel 1:4,7-10; Rev 8:10,11; 9:1-6; 13:5-7)  The false prophet of Rev 13:11,12 directs the Beast from the Sea. Who directs the organization?

    Rev 20:When the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from his prison (Rev 9:1,2) and will go out to deceive the nations at the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them for battle.”  

    The battle of Armageddon.  There is no other battle once this one is finished as Daniel tells us. Dan 7:11-14,21,22,26,27

     Rev 20:8,9 - “Their number is like the sand of the sea. They came up across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the encampment of the saints, the beloved city.

    “New Jerusalem”/Temple of God.  (1 Cor 3:16,17; Gal 4:26)

    Once the temple is sealed by the last capstone, (Zech 4:9,10) there is no way that the faithful saints in the Kingdom can be surrounded by Satan, Gog and Magog of Rev 20, while ruling with Jesus Christ.  It is the anointed “kings of the earth” that are the primary target of this war.  Rev 16:13-16 (Rev 1:5)

    And this war is one of DECEIT against the saints, as Rev 20:7 tells us.  Deceit means lies, not a war of nations fighting with literal weapons.   How can proven faithful, sealed anointed be deceived once reigning with Jesus Christ in the Kingdom?

    Rev 20:9,10 - “Then fire came down from heaven and consumed them. 10 The devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet are, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.”

    We already know that the anointed saints are surround by a number like the sand of the sea – the massive elder body who have usurped their position as God’s priests, ending their daily sacrifice to God.  (Ezek 44:6-9)

    God promises no more death or sorrow in the Kingdom.  The Wt doctrine of the thousand years ending in war, nullifies this promise from God. (Rev 21:4)  He looks at the heart of each one of us during our lifetime, even those before Christ. He already perceives what we are made of, what are capabilities are.  Becoming fleshly, mentally perfect will make no difference.  Obviously, it didn’t for Adam and Eve.   (1 Sam 16:7; Heb 4:13)

     

     

  5. On 10/10/2021 at 11:59 AM, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

    Judgment Day will be a period of a thousand years during which humans will have the opportunity to regain what Adam and Eve lost.

    Now is the judgment of this world. Now the ruler of this world will be cast out.  John 12:31

    “Truly I tell you, anyone who hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not come under judgment but has passed from death to life."  John 5:24

    "This is the judgment: The light has come into the world, and people loved darkness rather than the light because their deeds were evil."   John 3:19

    There is not another "judgment" after death is destroyed which is promised to happen at the end of Armageddon.  (1 Cor 15:25,26)

    I think we need to remember that the Wt is an expert at confusing teachings.  Developing their doctrine that a thousand years of judgment to come AFTER Armageddon, is laced with a promise of peace, and  of becoming physically and mentally perfect, is totally misleading.  We have the accounts of faithful ones who lived their lives totally devoted to God and His word.  To think that they must enter into another judgment period after they are resurrected, is a lie. It negates the judgment of Christ now.   The symbolic "thousand years" is finished.  It was a time period where the anointed who lived as humans must prove their faithfulness, loyalty to truth, and their love for God, Jesus, and the assignment that was given to them.  (Luke 16:10; Matt 25:21) 

    Wt doctrine is basically saying that not only does Jesus not have the capability to judge our hearts now, but neither does God.  These are the same leaders who have allowed the anointed to be trampled down by the elder body.  (Matt 24:24,25,15,16, 48-51;  2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2; 13:1,2,5-7,11,12,15)  Whatever is done to the anointed members of Jesus Christ, is done to him.  (Acts 26:14)  So, of course Wt would imply that Jesus' promise of ETERNAL LIFE comes with a fine print clause....another judgment period is to follow,  after he DESTROYS DEATH.  

    It is based on the desires of the flesh - who wouldn't latch on to a bogus promise of peace, physical beauty and mental perfection?  Who...would promise such things, but Satan who bestows physical riches, power and authority to those who do his bidding!  (Luke 4:5-7)

    This is absolute blasphemy.  

    John 6:63 - "The Spirit is the one who gives life. The flesh doesn’t help at all. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life."

     

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  6. 15 hours ago, xero said:

    The same way he used Cyrus.

    No, not in the same way God used Cyrus.  

    “Thus says the Lord to His anointed,
    To Cyrus, whose right hand I have held—
    To subdue nations before him
    And loose the armor of kings,
    To open before him the double doors,
    So that the gates will not be shut:
    2 ‘I will go before you
    And make the crooked places straight;
    I will break in pieces the gates of bronze
    And cut the bars of iron.
    I will give you the treasures of darkness
    And hidden riches of secret places,
    That you may know that I, the Lord,
    Who call you by your name,

    Am the God of Israel.  Isa 45

    4 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

    When the Bible says that "God will put it in the hearts of kings to do his will", then it is not a kind of "inspiration", but what is it then? Fraud in a "diplomatic" way?

     

  7. 2 hours ago, BroRando said:

    ointing out the Hyprocisy.  When was the last time a journalist reported an Atheist or a Believer in the Big Bang was invloved in Child Sexual Abuse?  Yet, out of the Billions of Atheists, not a single report?

     

    I get it.  When you read the article, you obviously recognized the seriousness of the wrong committed by the elders.  I would guess subconsciously, you reasoned there is nothing you can do about it, shifting your focus on other religions or atheists to soothe your conscience.  That’s very common for people do.  One thing about this blame-shifting, it helps erase the same problem happening in the org., out of the mind.  

    God judges those “on the outside”, (1 Cor 5:12) so we must examine the practices of God’s holy priesthood; where a spiritual “Gentile” nation of elders judges them hypocritically, and all JWs. (2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 13:5-7)   Why, is this sin of neglect toward abuse victims in the org., predominant in the news?  I can’t dismiss the power of God and what Jesus said to his people,  “ For there is nothing covered that will not be revealed, nor hidden that will not be known. Therefore whatever you have spoken in the dark will be heard in the light, and what you have spoken in the ear in inner rooms will be proclaimed on the housetops.”  Luke 12:2,3

    “inner rooms” – not only the inner rooms where the GB meet, but judicial committees where elders meet to pass hypocritical judgment against all. 

    The first sins to be declared and seen, are those of God's people under covenant. Jesus and his disciples always revealed the hypocrisy among their people.  We do the same, since hypocrisy and threatening the innocent ones, breaks God’s laws fulfilled in Jesus Christ.  Ezek 3:18,19; 1 Cor 6:2; Eph 5:11,12; Ps 94:16; Rom 13:9  We have to take responsibility for the actions of our own people, just as Jeremiah did.  Jer. 8:14-21  His righteous conscience motivated him to do so.  

     

  8. 10 hours ago, BroRando said:

    Just a few of the many Catholic Church's Clergy.

    Are you saying that God's judgment is more severe against the Catholic Church than toward His holy people " Israel" under covenant - the anointed priests (1 Pet 2:5,9), and GB whom we assume are anointed?  Does God expect your "Gentile" elder judges found to be pedophiles, to receive a slap on the hand, while you expect the clergy of the Catholic Church to receive a much more stringent judgment by the court system?

    "So now we call the arrogant blessed; not only are the doers of wickedness built up but they also test God and escape.’” (read further Mal 3:15-18)

    "Therefore, every one of you who judges is without excuse. For when you judge another, you condemn yourself, since you, the judge, do the same things.  Now we know that God’s judgment on those who do such things is based on the truth.  Do you think—anyone of you who judges those who do such things yet do the same—that you will escape God’s judgment Rom 2:1-3

     

     

     

     

     

     

  9. 5 hours ago, Witness said:

    Robert Hendriks has a habit of saying basically the same thing in all his interviews; love of neighbor, love of God promotes the preaching work.  Also, love of neighbor and sanctity of life was the reason for stopping the public preaching work.  Propaganda, shedding a most favorable light amidst the darkness of child abuse from the same organization.

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  10. Robert Hendriks has a habit of saying basically the same thing in all his interviews; love of neighbor, love of God promotes the preaching work.  Also, love of neighbor and sanctity of life was the reason for stopping the public preaching work.  Propaganda, shedding a most favorable light amidst the darkness of child abuse from the same organization.

    Is it truly love of neighbor to teach someone a doctrine, that is exposed as not true?  How could anyone say yes? It is not love, neither in the preaching work nor in the congregations by the leaders.  It’s like buying a set of encyclopedias from a door-to-door salesmen for your child, thinking they are accurately portraying the reference information needed to aid in your children’s search for knowledge, only to find out that each page holds major lies.  We would consider the salesman whom we bought the set from, a charlatan.

    4 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

    Does anyone in WTJWorg think that such a virtual meetings, virtual walks from house to house on the virtual streets and the like, will have bad consequences for the spirituality of JW members, now and in the future? With an already existing threat to spirituality due to so many changed doctrinal interpretations and religious practices inside and outside the JW church.

    Exactly.  If the foundation of teaching is based on the necessity to continually change doctrine (because the previous doctrine was not TRUE), no one can develop a true personal love for God and Christ. We know them through the knowledge of truth, not through wrong, failed, deceitful doctrines. (Ps 25:5;John 14:6)

    Hypocrites! Isaiah prophesied correctly about you when he said:

    This people honors me with their lips,
    but their heart is far from me.
    They worship me in vain,
    teaching as doctrines human commands.”  Matt 15:7-9

    @JW Insider - People can come into an association with our Christian brotherhood for all the wrong reasons, and never develop a true personal love for Jesus and Jehovah, but this doesn't mean that anyone should claim it was negative experiences in the organization that killed them spirituality. That would negate another of Paul's statements.

    Losing one’s spirituality doesn’t result from someone joining for the wrong reasons, when the reasons for the existence of the organization, are already on shaky ground, evident through the twisted teachings of the Wt. (Matt 24:24,25; Col 2:8; 2 Tim 2:25,26; Rev 13:10; Rev 13:1,2,5-7,11,12; 16:13-16; 12:3,4) 

    It is a place where the key of knowledge is taken away from its members, through the teachings of falsehoods which is called “new light”, “adjustments in understanding”. (Isa 33:6; Luke 11:52)  This in totality, is a negative experience.  So, yeah, people leave because of it and never pursue truth afterwards.  But not all of those joined for the wrong reasons; they joined thinking they had found TRUTH, and were disappointed to learn otherwise.   Others do pursue their spirituality upon leaving, and find truth in Jesus Christ, because they realized they were lacking a spiritual connection in the Father and the Son.   (John 14:6; 1 John 4:6)  

    God’s word is solid Truth.  Jesus, as the Word, is solid Truth.  How can anyone come to know them OR truth, if it isn’t offered on a consistent basis?  “Living water” is consistent. (John 7:38; Jer 2:13)  The vision of the temple in Ezekiel describes the water (symbolic for life) as only getting deeper. It doesn’t stop at any point, or dry up, as a doctrine of men does; nor is it ever found to cause disease or death of another.  (Ezek 47:1-9; Rev 22:1,2; Rev 8:10,11) 

     The “bread of life” doesn’t become stale, tossed out for a new loaf. (John 6:48,51) These two sources of “food” in Jesus Christ are expected to be offered by those anointed teachers/”trees” who “remain” in him –through their consistent growing light of truth that LASTS, never rots, never needs to be discarded. (Matt 7:15-20; John 15:1-4,16,17)  Otherwise, the threat to one’s spirituality – one who accepts tainted water or stale bread full of a teacher’s own “yeast”, brings about a spiritual death.  (Matt 16:6)

    Good gifts of living water and the bread of life is showing love to one’s neighbor. Wt’s history proves that its teachers do not present good, consistent, loving gifts.

    “Which of you, if your son asks for bread, will give him a stone? 10 Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a snake? 11 If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to those who ask him! 12 So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.”  Matt 7:9-12

    @JW Insider - (Romans 8:37-39) For I am convinced that neither death nor life nor angels nor governments nor things now here nor things to come nor powers 39 nor height nor depth nor any other creation will be able to separate us from God’s love that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

    The apostle Paul was connected in truth to Jesus Christ.  The organization is the stumbling block that keeps one from knowing truth, from forming that connection.  If we tolerate shifting doctrine that scripture shows, does not have its source in Jesus, well yes, we have then allowed powers, governors of their government, to separate us from God’s love.  Why do JWs allow men uninspired to get away with it?  Why do they make excuses for their lies?  Why do JWs believe they have truth when scriptures prove they do not? The best way to live up to Paul's words, is to leave the stumbling block behind.   The GB are not sincerely asking for truth from Jesus Christ, because they love their own doctrine, their perversion of scripture. (Matt 7:7,8; Gal 1:6-10; 2 Pet 3:17,18; Phil 3:18,19) What comes out of their mouth proves no connection with Jesus as their Head. (Luke 6:45)  It is Jesus’ words that contain life, not the doctrine of men.  (Eph 4:14,15)

    “Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth.” 2 Tim 2:15

     

     

     

     

  11. I don't doubt your knowledge of history.

    7 hours ago, Arauna said:

    there were apostates coming into the congregation and creating a ruling class

    Hmmm, sounds very familiar. 

    7 hours ago, Arauna said:

    You start to apply this scripture only in the last century

       Rev 17 and 18, concerns God's anointed over the last 150 years, and down to today.

  12. 4 hours ago, Peter Carroll said:

    as a jw  ,i know it is impossible to kill spiritally anyone else ,as always, it is up to yourself as it was for adam ,if you bother to go to any meetings ,you will hear this ,that it is up to yourself to take care of the spiritual life you have,,,its your choice to wake up or go on as the rest of the world does

     

    Yes, the Wt. will speak out of both sides of its mouth.  It is up to each one of us, not to men, but men in the organization still use their "power" to label one as spiritually dead.

    This scripture is used to support Wt’s disfellowshipping in the w/1981/9/15 p. 2, but notice part of their cited scriptures has been left out:

    “Everyone that pushes ahead and does not remain in the teaching of the Christ does not have God. . . . If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, never receive him into your homes or say a greeting to him. For he that says a greeting to him is a sharer in his wicked works.”—

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    NKJV - “Whoever [

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    ]transgresses (“goes ahead”) and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. 10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him; 11 for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds.”

    If someone doesn’t have God, are they spiritually alive, or are they spiritually dead even though they may be alive in the flesh? (Matt 4:4;Eph 2:12; 1 Tim 2:1-7)  If the elders make the call to use this scripture against someone as they have in the article on disfellowshipping, they are saying that the person they are disfellowshipping is spiritually dead - they are without the living God.

    The scriptures used to support Wt’s disfellowshipping was to be applied to those anointed who left “the Way” of truth in the apostle's day (Acts 19:9) – those who detached themselves from the anointed Body of Christ, who became arrogant sinners and taught false doctrine - "going ahead" of the doctrine of Christ.  Col 2:19; 2 Tim 3:1-5; 1 Tim 4:1-3; 2 Pet 2:1-3; Acts 20:29,30; 1 John 2:18,19; Jude 1:14-16

    “I wrote to you in my epistle not to keep company with sexually immoral people. 10 Yet I certainly did not mean with the sexually immoral people of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. 11 But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner—not even to eat with such a person.  For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside? 13 But those who are outside God judges. Therefore “put away from yourselves the evil person.” 1 Cor 5

    There is no place within the members of Christ’s anointed body for evil doers; whether physically displaying the traits Paul mentioned, or spiritually as unfaithful immoral “harlots”. (Ps 106:39; Isa 1:21; Rev 17:1-6)  But, according to this scripture, who are to judge the other anointed members of the Body of Christ?  Unanointed elders?  No, the anointed priests under Jesus Christ have been assigned this role.  

    So right there, we see that the disfellowshipping act by the organization is founded on deceit– invalid in God’s eyes since the organization has shunned the anointed priesthood even inside its walls (2 Thess 2:3,4); yet the spirit-directed organization (idol) has successfully cut off family members, friends, loved ones; telling its members that this practice is to keep THE ORGANIZATION clean.  The idol must appear perfect on the outside.  (Matt 23:25,26)  And without a doubt, it convinces its members that these shunned people, are as good as dead.  

    Going back to 2 John 9-11, it is clear that the Wt leaders do not “bring this doctrine” of Jesus Christ.  Why?  They teach the doctrine of MEN.  They set rules and regulations, and by "going ahead", they make predictions that do not come true. (Matt 15:9; Gal 1:11) Their spiritual “food”, predictably rots. (Matt 7:15-20) They are the false prophets that Jesus warned would deceive “even the elect” – the anointed priesthood. (Matt 24:24,25)  Wt’s leaders have disconnected themselves from Jesus Christ and his doctrine.  THEY are to be shunned for their spiritual harlotry.  And yet, if they were to repentant, they would be restored to life in Jesus Christ. (1 Cor 5:5)

    “He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son.”

    Without remaining in Christ, producing food that “lasts”, your leaders are spiritually dead.   (John 15:1-8,16)  And what about JWs who spiritually exist on what they offer?  Are they any better off?  (Isa 28:8,10,14,15)

    In Wt's eyes, when someone is disfellowshipped, they are cut off from the organization that is preached as the way to salvation.  Salvation is eternal life.  Can you see how the shunned ones are viewed as spiritually dead? Do you not believe that there is no promise of eternal life outside of the Wt?   Yes, it truly is bogus, since leaders who preach lies have no possibility of eternal life, unless they repent.

    “To the angel of the church in Sardis write:

    "These are the words of him who holds the seven spirits of God and the seven stars. I know your deeds; you have a reputation of being alive, but you are dead. 2 Wake up! Strengthen what remains and is about to die, for I have found your deeds unfinished in the sight of my God. 3 Remember, therefore, what you have received and heard; hold it fast, and repent. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you."  Rev 3:1-3

     

     

  13. 1 hour ago, BroRando said:

    Jehovah Witnesses can't (kill) anyone spiritually.  If you were a Jehovah's Witness, you would know that. 

    Yes, your spirit-directed organization has been given power to spiritually “kill” anyone who rejects the organization  – who rejects the elder body – who rejects the GB, and who speak TRUTH. 

    John 16:2-4

    I was a JW, blind as you are for over 32 years.

    "Are you personally proving yourself holy with regard to not associating with family members or others who have been disfellowshipped?" Watchtower 2014 Nov 15 p.14

    Can you see that the disfellowshipped have lost, according to the elders’ ruling, all “holiness” before God?  Do the unholy/unrighteous inherit the Kingdom?  It is decreed that they are spiritually “dead” until they repent according to Watchtower’s rules. 

    The elders represent the “image” of the spirit-directed organization. The elders “sit as God in the temple of God” showing that they have the (unlawful) ability to speak for God.  2 Thess 2:4; Rev 13:11,14,15,18

     

     

  14. 8 hours ago, BroRando said:

    Matter of fact, many of my brothers and sisters are imprisoned for refusing to engage in war, so they are IMPRISONED for not killing other people! "

     

    4 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

    ..... Some of you, JW', "kill" others with wrong words and wrong behavior towards others.

    There is a physical killing and a spiritual killing.  Sometimes the spiritual ends up in the physical killing of the individual, through the reverberating effects of the practice of hate and shunning by JWs.

    "Being limited by the laws of the worldly nation in which we live and also by the laws of God through Jesus Christ, we can take action against apostates only to a certain extent, that is, consistent with both sets of laws. The law of the land and God's law through Christ forbid us to (physically) kill apostates, even though they be members of our own flesh-and-blood family relationship. However, God's law requires us to recognize their being disfellowshiped from his congregation, and this despite the fact that the law of the land in which we live requires us under some natural obligation to live with and have dealings with such apostates under the same roof. Satan's influence through the disfellowshiped member of the family will be to cause the other member or members of the family who are in the truth to join the disfellowshiped member in his course or in his position toward God's organization” Watchtower 1952 Nov 15 p.703

    There.  That puts it in the minds of JWs, that anyone disfellowshipped or anyone who walks away from the organization, is as good as dead in God’s eyes.

    JWs are famously known worldwide, for their “killing” through disfellowshipping and shunning.  (Rev 13:15)

  15. On 10/4/2021 at 3:42 AM, Arauna said:

    Have you not read Revelation 17 and 18?   That the blood of the holy ones are on the hands of Christendom and the world empire of false religion -  the DOM in Christendom stands for DOMAIN - the ruling class of the Christians. Those who imposed themselves onto Christians and rule like real kings.  Not a few elders who try to correct their brothers when they lead others astray.  Those are the true oppressors of truth and have usurped Christianity and have much power to destroy lives and lead them directly to worship Satan!

    I’m sorry Arauna, but you are teaching falsehoods, and yes, you are “teaching” as a woman! 

    "Those who imposed themselves onto Christians and rule like real kings." 

    Who would that be?

    The blood of the holy ones is on the hands of those who were once under covenant with God. – the rulers and the people of Israel.  You do know that your organization states that JWs have “come out” of Babylon the great? Under favorable circumstances in alignment with scripture, this would mean JWs are now blessed by God, and are safe, (which they actually preach) having God’s strength to keep them that way; is that not the case? They have built their DOMAIN – kingDOM. (1 Thess 5:3)

    So, if I understand right, you are saying Christendom’s rulers are coming after JWs?  You think they are oppressing Wt’s truth, which is actually lies?  (2 Thess 2:9,10; 2 Pet 1:2-3)

    Even though you are in a ‘spiritual paradise’, you do also know that your governing body member, S. Lett, says that Gog of Magog of Ezek 38 is a “Gentile” coalition of nations to come against JWs?  And that persecution is likely?  And these nations are also part of “false religion”/“Babylon the Great”, no? 

    You have a conundrum in teachings.  Apparently, the organization of JWs has God’s blessing on it because they are the “remnant” to come out of Babylon the Great, the empire of false religion.   But wait, Christendom/Babylon and Gog of Magog are still coming for you!  

    Doesn’t the organization preach that it is full of a righteous, obedient people? So tell me one instance when God allowed other nations to plunder His people, when they were faithful and obeying His laws, which every JW believes they are doing?

     Why did God’s people suffer persecution under the Babylonians?  Judah was wicked, disregarding God’s laws.  Hab 1:1-11

    “Didn’t you exist before time began, O Lord, my God, my Holy One? We will not die! O Lord, you have appointed the Babylonians to bring judgment. O Rock, you have destined them to correct us.”  Hab 1:12

    If those of your “Babylon” are coming after JWs, what have you done wrong?

    What about Lett’s Gog of Magog?  Why did that army come upon Israel? 

    “You will come from your place in the far north, you and many nations with you, all of them riding on horses, a great horde, a mighty army. 16 You will advance against my people Israel like a cloud that covers the land. In days to come, Gog, I will bring you against my land, so that the nations may know me when I am proved holy through you before their eyes.

    Why would God need Gog of Magog to prove His holiness? 

    “‘I will display my glory among the nations, and all the nations will see the punishment I inflict and the hand I lay on them.  From that day forward the people of Israel will know that I am the Lord their God. 23 And the nations will know that the people of Israel went into exile for their sin, because they were unfaithful to me. So I hid my face from them and handed them over to their enemies, and they all fell by the sword. 24 I dealt with them according to their uncleanness and their offences, and I hid my face from them.’”  Ezek 39

    Yes, Babylon and Gog of Magog were used against Israel as punishment.  I know JWs in general don’t believe they need to be punished by God sending Gentile nations against them.  How do your leaders feel so confident to skip the reasons why God’s people faced persecution from nations?  It is because there are very few among you, who actually READ the scriptures. So, your leaders are banking on the idea that they can get away with it!  You can’t just pick a little here and a little there without giving the entire account of WHY.  Your leaders made the same mistake with the locusts of Joel.  What will JWs do if the organization is still existing 5-10 years from now, when after reading the scriptures, your leaders tell you WHY Gog of Magog came against Israel, and they will have to scrap another embarrassing teaching?

    Actually, I believe they have this planned out. They can’t touch Rev 20:7-10.  There, in the last days, Gog and Magog come against and surround…THE ANOINTED SAINTS – THE HOLY PEOPLE.  They don’t bring up this account in the last book of prophesy that addresses Armageddon,  because it conflicts with their false doctrine of a thousand years of peace after Armageddon – this, when it is promised “death will be destroyed” when Jesus returns.  If death is destroyed, then Gog and Magog will not appear a literal thousand years into the Kingdom. (1 Cor 15:25,26)

    Taking away their thousand year doctrine would be devastating to the "faith" of JWs! The doctrine of men is more important than the word of God.  That has been proven when JWI said, scrapping 1914 by your leaders years ago who realized it is a lie, would disrupt the “faith” of JWs.  It had nothing to do with TRUTH.  What weak, unfaithful men, who refused to listen to God’s word and choose their falsehoods, over truth.

    Christendom and the nations are not the fulfillment of Revelation.  Although Christendom has a horrible history of killing innocent people, possibly even anointed ones over the centuries, about his own people, Jesus said,   

     Therefore the wisdom of God also said, ‘I will send them prophets and apostles, and some of them they will kill and persecute,’ 50 that the blood of all the prophets which was shed from the foundation of the world may be required of this generation, 51 from the blood of Abel to the blood of Zechariah who perished between the altar and the temple. Yes, I say to you, it shall be required of this generation.

    “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, but you were not willing!”  Luke 13:34

    Do you see?  the blood of the “holy ones”, the prophets, will be required by God’s wayward people – an evil generation, who were under covenant with him, which Christendom is not, and this applies to today's "evil generation".   (Deut 1:35)

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    Where is “Jerusalem”, “Israel” today?  The anointed are “Israel”/New Jerusalem. (Gal 4:26) The elder body is a very large “Gentile” “iron” nation that has come against God’s authentic anointed. (Dan 2:40-42; Rev 9:1-5; 13:5-7) Compare the numbers and consider the total of elders, thousands of them worldwide.   We know it is far greater than the small amount of anointed, even if God only knows how many authentic anointed there are left in the Wt. Only the elders, can trample the Temple “living stones”; by standing where they don’t belong (Mark 13:14); and they have, by replacing and judging God’s holy priesthood and removing their daily sacrifices of praise. (Dan 8:11-13,31; 1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; 2 Thess 2:1-4) The holy ones/prophets/”two (meaning truth) witnesses” are sent to God’s people in this day (Rev 11:1-3), warning them of their idolatry to an organization, and for their sins of obeying prominent men, and not Jesus Christ. (Matt 24:24,25; Rev 13:4) They are unfaithful toward God’s laws in Christ, choosing the laws of men founded on lies.  A. Morris said the GB makes "decrees" that must be obeyed. Where is that written in the scriptures that it is okay to follow and obey uninspired men?  God has allowed His Temple to be trampled down as punishment against His people’s sins. (Dan 8:12 ("because of transgression"); Luke 22:31; Rev 12:1-4)   What happens to any anointed who speaks truth and represent Jesus Christ? They, and the “two witnesses”/appointed messengers are “killed”/disfellowshipped by the “Gentiles”.  This is spiritual blood on the hands of your leaders and the “Gentile”/elders. (Rev 6:9-11)

     How do I know this happens in “Jerusalem”, the “holy city” and not in Christendom?  (Rev 13:5-7; 20:9)

    “When they finish their testimony, the beast (organization) that ascends out of the bottomless pit will make war against them, overcome them, and kill them. And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.”

    Jesus was killed right outside of Jerusalem.  (Heb 13:13)

    The apostles were persecuted BY THEIR OWN PEOPLE FOR SPEAKING TRUTH.  They also, were thrown out of the synagogues just as the elders disfellowship any who speak truth today. They are thrown out of the congregations. (John 16:2; Rev 13:15)

    Persecution that happens in the world to JWs, is for two reasons.  God lets it happen, since His spirit is not with the organization; and since His people commit idolatry, not following Christ’s teachings. They follow another “head” – your harlot leaders and wicked slave. (Matt 24:48-51; Rev 13:11,12,15)  The other reason is because Satan wants to hide the true identity of the man of lawlessness that resides in the organization.  He has devised his counter fulfillment, easily swallowed by JWs like you, since they are blinded by the desire to relish lies and look for fulfillment in Satan’s world – just where he wants their focus to lie. (Luke 17:20,21; Matt 12:39)   This, is the war against truth spoken by Christ’s servants, and falsehoods spoken by Satan’s servants.  (Matt 24:15,16, 22-18; 2 Cor 11:13-14; Rev 12:7-9; 16:13-16 )

    Revelation 18:4 says, “come out of her my people”.  Are JWs still thinking that God’s people under covenant are in Christendom and need to “come out”? Or, are JWs in “Babylon”, carrying the mark of the Beast – the identity put upon them by the organization? (Isa 28:14,15; Rev 8:15-17; 14:9,10)

    Rev 18:4 applies to God’s holy people and those with them, who are under a “Gentile” rule of discipline.  Only the hard-hearted ones who refuse to see their sins and idolatry, will remain under the rule of the two Beasts of Revelation – Gog and Magog.  There will come a day when the scales will be removed, and they will finally be shown the true identity of the man of lawlessness.  (Rev 17:8)  It’s time to come out of the Wt, now. 

    The third angel poured out his bowl on the rivers and springs of water, and they became blood. Then I heard the angel in charge of the waters say:

    “You are just in these judgments, O Holy One,
        you who are and who were;
    for they have shed the blood of your holy people and your prophets,
        and you have given them blood to drink as they deserve.”

    And I heard the altar respond:

    “Yes, Lord God Almighty,
        true and just are your judgments.” Rev 16:4

    Who…has shed the blood of God’s holy people?  Those unfaithful harlot leaders of the physical nation of Israel, and today’s spiritual “Israel”, who have made a covenant with “Gentiles”, leading to the trampling of God’s Temple.  (Dan 11:32; 2 Thess 2:3,4,9-12; Rev 11:1-3)

     

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  16. 18 hours ago, Witness said:

    Well, my elder husband left the organization because of its hypocrisy, before I did.  I followed a while afterward. He supported me in this work, until he died.

     But, let me pose a scenario:  A JW “sister” approaches the elders about her abusive husband, and they tell her to go home and pray, to help her continue to tolerate the abuse by her JW husband who could likely be an elder.  That sister, battered and torn down by abuse, who can’t take any more neglect of shepherding by the elders, leaves the organization and her abusive husband.  She is subsequently disfellowshipped for speaking against the abuse that was never dealt with by the elder body.  Or perhaps she filed a report to the police when she was told to keep it to herself, since her husband was an elder in "good standing" with the congregation and good buddies with the elder body.  Does that woman’s husband have the right to divorce her for being labeled an apostate, now that she is disfellowshipped?

    What I see in you, is a lust for blood and destruction, and an arrogance similar to your leaders.  The “two witnesses” who prophesy the sins of their people – their anointed brothers and sisters, who tolerate the elders/man of lawlessness robbing them of their position as priests -  preach in sackcloth, in mourning for their people. (2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1-3; 18:4-8) 

    But you seem to love and condemn millions to a bloody or a literal fiery death.  

    I’m very sorry for you.  This is not the way of Jesus Christ. ( Luke 19:10; Rev 3:1-3, 17-19)

    It just dawned on me that you may not understand the reason for the topic title.  This was a question directed to Pearl, which if you go to the link for the article on her blog, it will explain it.  

  17. 10 hours ago, BroRando said:

    Oh... is your husband in heaven now ruling as a king and still in need of understanding about the meek inheriting the earth? Just send him a text....  maybe you girls can send him a smoke signal through one of your seances...  

    Last week you claimed not to be anointed and the week before that you were claiming Christ was God in John 1:1c...  Oh Pearl.... you're being engulfed....  it's so sad to witness you slipping away ever so slowly.

    This is Paula.  Pearl does not comment here.  Neither one of us have denied that we are anointed.  One member of this forum once asked about my anointing; from there it has been used as fuel for slander, although I have never pushed being anointed, or used it as  leverage of power over anyone.  (John 13:20; 15:20)  And, as I’ve said to you, I do not believe in the trinity, nor does Pearl. 

    When people have to fabricate a lie – by taking truth and twisting it, making it crooked, altering factual truth to help them feel better about their own lies  -  I am reminded of the Pharisees twisting the words of Jesus. It reminds me of your leaders stating that those who speak against their lies by using scriptural truth, as being the demonic ones. Quickly, they target this person to be disfellowshipped  – removed from the congregations to shut them up; which in actuality, this “killing” leads to freedom and blessings.  (John 16:2; Rev 13:1,2,11,12,15; 1 John 3:12; Rev 12:17; Matt 5:11,12; Mark 8:35; Isa 42:5-7)  

    It appears also, that you have fallen into this trap.  Jesus basically told the early leaders, they were children of their father the devil – saying they were an “evil generation”. (John 8:44; Luke 11:29) That generation line, is continuous, until the end.  (Gen 3:15; Deut 32:5; Acts 2:40; Matt 24:34,35)  Altering truth that someone has once proclaimed, is as Jesus said in John 8:44, speaking from one’s “own resources” – from what comes out of their heart.  (Luke 6:45)

    Phil 2:12,13,15,16 -  “Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling13 for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure.”

    “that you may become blameless and harmless, children of God without fault in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation, among whom you shine as lights in the world, 16 holding fast the word of life, so that I may rejoice in the day of Christ that I have not run in vain or labored in vain.”

    Seriously, please think about this. I also hope you can see that it is an “evil generation” that demands a physical sign, which you rely on through use of your dates for the coming of the Kingdom.  (Matt 12:39)

     

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  18. 40 minutes ago, BroRando said:

    You're giving yourself away Pearl.  You want to take the lead so bad you formed a 'girls club'.  Or is it that you have simply signed up several accounts under different aliases to try to convince others you're a victim.  Pretend to take the night off as Pateiently then coming back under several aliases trying to give yourself a false support of ill-advised commentary.

    OCD-hate is what you have.... you fool many...  if your husband left the organization as you now claim years ago..  you would have Never mentioned to the forum "How can I explain 'the meek will inherit the earth' to my jw husband?"

    If you'll notice, the topic is in the color blue and in quotes.  These are Pearl's words, and the link to the article on her blog is included.  My name is Paula which I have shared here before.  This is my facebook page: 

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     While my husband died a year ago this last August, Pearl's husband, Obadiah, is still alive.  Here is his blog: 

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     I'm not sure what your point is, but Pearl and I and other anointed ones, as well as believers in Christ, work together as a congregation.  It certainly is not a "girl's club" as you assume.  

  19. 6 hours ago, BroRando said:

    I'll talk to your husband for you.  Under our New Understanding, he is elgible to divorce an opposer... it would be a valid divorce and he be free to marry a younger more vital sister... I'll guess any sister would be much better than an old worn out opposer... 😀

    Just send him to this site you're on!

    Well, my elder husband left the organization because of its hypocrisy, before I did.  I followed a while afterward. He supported me in this work, until he died.

     But, let me pose a scenario:  A JW “sister” approaches the elders about her abusive husband, and they tell her to go home and pray, to help her continue to tolerate the abuse by her JW husband who could likely be an elder.  That sister, battered and torn down by abuse, who can’t take any more neglect of shepherding by the elders, leaves the organization and her abusive husband.  She is subsequently disfellowshipped for speaking against the abuse that was never dealt with by the elder body.  Or perhaps she filed a report to the police when she was told to keep it to herself, since her husband was an elder in "good standing" with the congregation and good buddies with the elder body.  Does that woman’s husband have the right to divorce her for being labeled an apostate, now that she is disfellowshipped?

    What I see in you, is a lust for blood and destruction, and an arrogance similar to your leaders.  The “two witnesses” who prophesy the sins of their people – their anointed brothers and sisters, who tolerate the elders/man of lawlessness robbing them of their position as priests -  preach in sackcloth, in mourning for their people. (2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1-3; 18:4-8) 

    But you seem to love and condemn millions to a bloody or a literal fiery death.  

    I’m very sorry for you.  This is not the way of Jesus Christ. ( Luke 19:10; Rev 3:1-3, 17-19)

  20. 6 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

    If the number of them has to be sealed, then there must be a set number. 

    You wrote a lot but didn't answer my questions. I think we must agree to differ. 

    In Hebrew, “thousand” -  Strong’s concordance refers it to “a company of men”.  It’s interesting to read its definition on blueletterbible.

    The Greek “thousand” - plural of uncertain affinity

    “But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.” 2 Pet 3:8

    “For a thousand years in Your sight Are like yesterday when it is past, And like a watch in the night.”  Ps 90:4

    The number one thousand (1,000) symbolizes “immensity,” “fullness of quantity” or “multitude.” The number evokes a very long time according to most Bible passages. It is often used in scripture to specify an indefinite quantity.

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    One thing I think we agree on, is that it is a number that has an end, according to God.  But when reading Rev 21:14-22, which uses terms that appear to be describing a literal building, I realize its full spiritual symbolism, since the Temple is built with people, God and Jesus, not with literal walls, gates and a foundation.  (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22)  I believe also, the number who “fill” this spiritual temple is also symbolic. 

     

  21. 1 hour ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

     

    Those who belong to Christ (his body members.. This must surely be a limited number ?  A body can only have a certain amout of members / parts.  Do you therefore believe that the 144,000 is the real number ?

    They bring with them from heaven, healing and blessing to all the Nations.- So who or what is the 'Nations' ?

    The teaching that there is a "heavenly hope" and an "earthly hope", is false How is this false if only a certain number will have access to Heaven ? 

    I thought it was the GB / Org that have started to teach that ALL JWs are part of the 'body of Christ'. :) 

    Now you seem to be teaching it.  If there is no distinction between 'heaveny' and 'earthly' ones, then tell us what (non body of Christ) humans become ?    The plot thickens. 

    The Body of Christ involves God's chosen priesthood. (1 Pet 2:5,9; Rev 5:9,10; Isa 43:21,10) I don't believe that this "body" is everyone. (Rom 2:28,29; Gal 3:29; Rom 9:8) The priests are to serve not only God and Jesus, but the "nations" - the children to come in the Kingdom.  This Body of Christ is "New Jerusalem" coming down out of heaven as the dwelling of God's Spirit which "resides" with mankind - the nations.  (Rev 21:1-4)  This is a family, with children "born" first - the anointed who comprise the Bride of Christ under the New Covenant.  Symbolically, this Bride when united with Jesus, "her" "husband", indicates the fulfillment of the New Covenant. (2 Cor 11:2) More children are "born" in the Kingdom of God. (Isa 66)  I believe, just as Revelation is a symbolic book, the number "144,000" is also symbolic and is used in the scriptures in various ways. With the Wt, everything is physical, tangible, not spiritual - including the number 144,000.  If the Body was formed from a definite number, then wouldn't each one have a different gift from the other?  But this isn't the case, since the gifts are outlined in the scriptures and there are not, as far as we know, a literal 144,00 of them.  🙂

    We know that the Temple of God is a "living" temple, not physical. (2 Cor 6:16)   Neither is the number of "stones" who comprise it.  This article below breaks down 144,000 to reveal that it is based on the "measurement" of the temple of God, and that measurement is truth in Jesus Christ.  (Eph 2:20-22; 1 Tim 3:15)

    This scripture is for all who accept and believe the truth in Jesus Christ - Both the Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” Let anyone who hears, say, “Come!” Let the one who is thirsty come. Let the one who desires take the water of life freely.  Rev 22:17

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  22. "It all goes back to what God promised Abraham. God repeated that promise, to Abraham's grandson, Jacob. In fact, *the scriptures I'm going to give you, prove that JW doctrine is false.*

    At Gen.28: "10 Jacob left Beersheba and set out for Harran. 11 When he reached a certain place, he stopped for the night because the sun had set. Taking one of the stones there, he put it under his head and lay down to sleep. 12 He had a dream in which he saw a stairway resting on the earth, with its top reaching to heaven, and *the angels of God were ascending and descending on it.* 13 There above it stood the Lord, and he said: ‘I am the Lord, the God of your father Abraham and the God of Isaac. *I will give you and your descendants the land on which you are lying.* 14 Your descendants will be like the dust of the earth, and *they will spread out to the west and to the east, to the north and to the south. All peoples on earth will be blessed through you and your offspring."*

    There we learn, that it is Abraham's seed, that will inherit the earth. But we learn more... The meaning of "angel", is messenger. Verse 12 tells us, that those messengers will be traveling between heaven and earth, and in the very next verse, says that the earth will belong to Abraham's seed and they will spread out to possess the entire planet.

    Why put the vision of the angels, along with the promise of the people who are going to Inherit the earth?

    At John1:51, Jesus told Nathaniel, "‘Very truly I tell you, you will see “heaven open, and *the angels of God ascending and descending in service to the Son of Man.’"*

    Jesus repeated the words that God told Jacob, but added that the angels/messengers, would be serving Christ, AND, that Nathaniel himself, would see it.

    When we keep in mind that angel is the original word, but when translated, really means "messenger", we can certainly see how Nathaniel saw messengers, serving Jesus Christ. Jesus was telling Nathaniel, that the apostles and Jesus' Elect, would fulfill Gen.28:12.

    Who inherits the earth?

    Abraham's seed, who are those born again as spirit. They are those who serve Christ, by being messengers of the gospel of light and life. In God's future kingdom, they will traverse between heaven and earth, so that as Gen.28:14 said; "All peoples on earth will be blessed through you and your offspring."

    That quote is a parallel to Rev.22: "1 Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb 2 down the middle of the great street of the city. On each side of the river stood the trees of life, bearing twelve crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month. *And the leaves of the trees are for the healing of the nations."*

    We see that the trees of life that bear fine fruit, will heal/bless, all the nations. Jesus compared his messengers, to trees... their teachings, to fruit (Luke6:43-45; Matt.7:15-20).

    Rev.21 reads; "2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, *COMING DOWN OUT OF HEAVEN from God,* prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, ‘Look! God’s dwelling-place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God."

    When referring to those faithful servants of Christ, who become spirit-born sons of God; Gal.3 reads;

    "26 So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, 27 for all of you who were baptised into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 *If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, AND HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE.*

    Those who belong to Christ (his body members... his messengers who serve him), become spiritual seed of Abraham. They inherit the promise made to Abraham.

    They, inherit the earth. They bring with them from heaven, healing and blessing to all the Nations.-

    And so, the doctrine of the WT that teaches that the anointed, never return to earth, is false.

    The teaching that there is a "heavenly hope" and an "earthly hope", is false.

    The teaching that JW "elders" are the "princes in all the earth" when God's kingdom arrives, is false.

    The teaching that JWs are the ones that inherit the earth, is false."

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    "For the creation eagerly waits with anticipation for God’s sons to be revealed.  For the creation was subjected to futility—not willingly, but because of him who subjected it—in the hope that the creation itself will also be set free from the bondage of corruption into the glorious freedom of God’s children.  For we know that the whole creation has been groaning together with labor pains until now."  Rom 8:19-22

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  23. On 9/24/2021 at 8:03 AM, Srecko Sostar said:

    Here is a JW committee where a woman can also participate in decisions led by men.

    Well, there wasn't a lot that she was allowed to comment on - "poor posture" inhibits good singing.  Seemed like such an important meeting, all the while stuff like this is happening:

    exjwReddit:  "Just informed of a child sexual predator in the hall."

    "So my wife and I were informed by the elders that we are to review chapter 32 of the learn from the great teacher book. Which I was like ok what's this about?..

    The next thing out of their mouths shocked me. Don't let your children be around or alone with Brother so-and-so....ever. Zoom breakout rooms or when we return to in person services.

    Me being a paranoid father goes into our states very easy to use sex offender registry. All the nearby territory zip codes and our territory zip codes and he's not registered...

    So is he a predator that has only been caught and disciplined in the congregation? And to be so hush hush about it that you had to have a special meeting to tell us as parents. Shouldn't everyone know there is a sexual predator in their presence?

    Is this just more evidence that they cover this shit up and even in my own congregation?

    As if I didn't have enough reason not to return to the hall in person. This just cements my determination to never return. They put all the responsibility of the predator on us and we have to be on alert at all times, especially the meetings?

    I thought the meetings were a spiritual paradise a place to be protected from the world. Seems we are more in danger in what's supposed to be a safe place."

  24. 4 hours ago, BroRando said:

    for 1,500 years.

    Another "set" time?

     

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    So he drove the man out, and he posted at the east of the garden of Eʹden the cherubs and the flaming blade of a sword that was turning continuously to guard the way to the tree of life.  (

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    This is judgment, Adam and Eve faced judgment.  The "flaming blade of a sword" is the fire of God's Word.  "Is not my word like fire, declares the Lord, and like a hammer that breaks the rock in pieces?"  Jer 23:29

    "For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart."  Heb 4:12

     

     

     

  25. On 9/30/2021 at 7:42 PM, BroRando said:

    For the next 1,500 years, Satan and his angels had their eyes on that tree of life with no avail.

    Jesus, is the tree of life.  If Satan had his "eyes" on it, it was to bring about his enemy's destruction. (Gen 3:15) The anointed, are also referred to as "trees".  (Matt 7:17,20; John 6:57,58,63;17:2;6:44,45; Rev 2:7; Ps 1:3; Rev 22:2,14)  

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    The choice was given to Adam and Eve which "tree" to eat from, with the consequences for choosing the lies of Satan, instead of the "tree" of truth in the Word of God.  John 1:1  We also have that choice.  2 Thess 2:9,10

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