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  1. On 6/25/2020 at 2:26 PM, Anna said:

    Going back to the fear of apostates, it makes me wonder why they (the GB) are so afraid, to the point of putting the fear of God in you if you so much as glance at something apostate related. That has always bothered me a bit. Are they afraid that their influence be undermined? That people will lose trust in them? If that is so, where then does the trust in Jehovah figure? Are we not supposed to trust Jehovah more than any man? Does it not reveal that our trust may lie more in the GB than Jehovah? Recently, in one of the study articles it was mentioned that idolizing someone (the reference was to the GB) could become a stumbling block if that someone falls away. Is it then not better to see the "contrasting view" because that might help us be more realistically grounded. And as JWI alluded (I think it was JWI) why try and "hide" something unless we are ashamed of it (meaning the GB) and why not be candid and transparent? Why have all this "secret" stuff for the apostates to dig up and wave around? Stuff that the GB does not want us to read? Do they think our faith in Jehovah is so fragile?

    Anna, you have brought out so many good thoughts.

    No, they don't believe that one's faith in God is fragile since they are well aware that people can leave the organization and maintain and develop further, their faith in God and Christ. They keep watchful track on the works of especially the anointed, who have left and continue in declaring their praise to God.   Realistically, they fear for the life of the organization that they live for, and it is the only reason for hiding its sins from the sheep. It must appear clean since it is "Jehovah's organization".   It is the only reason that they would feel moved to express that "Jehovah and Jesus trusts the slave", so also, should the sheep.  


  2. 6 hours ago, Arauna said:

    I stand corrected on my  sloppy opinion so it is maybe 1 in 100..... but this does not give these people the right to carry on as if all JW s are pedophiles or approve pedophilia.  That was my point.

    In light of such atrocities, it gives them the right to question an organization that says it belongs to the Almighty God.  


  3. 5 hours ago, Arauna said:

    Of course - if you were in control then this would not have happened. 

    To begin with, under the headship of Jesus Christ, there would never be an organization visibly built in the world where Satan wields his authority. (1 John 5:19)  I do not plan to be part of such a counterfeit scheme ever again.  Jesus made it clear that worshiping God is not through any material source, any “mountainlike organization”, but in spirit and in truth. (John 4:23,24)  Those two words describe the Temple of “living stones” – a temple of truth, led by the Spirit of God.   It is not a requirement to join the WT to worship God. (1 Pet 2:4-6; Eph 2:20-22; John 13:20)

    Here’s an ironic quote made by your own “beloved organization”, that tells the truth at times, yet practices the lie. (Matt 23:3)

    "As Christians, we face up to similar challenges today. We cannot take part in any modern version of idolatry—be it worshipful gestures toward an image or symbol or the imputing of salvation to a person or an organization."   WT 1990/11/1 p. 26

    There you go.  Satan has briefly revealed that the organization is an idol, but will your eyes see this? (Eph 4:17-19)

    Therefore, as long as the WT exists, it will never be superior in any way, to any other earthly organization in the world.  Attaching God to an idol, as the WT calls "organization", is blasphemy.  By implying that God leads an organization where the flock are led astray with false teachings, and victims of abuse and misjudgment are rampant, is pure madness and will lead to its downfall.  (Deut 28:15,28,29; Zech 4:7; Rev 8:8)

    Do not make an idol for yourself, whether in the shape of anything in the heavens above or on the earth below or in the waters under the earth. 5 Do not bow in worship to them, and do not serve them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the fathers' iniquity, to the third and fourth generations of those who hate me”  Exod 20:4,5

    “For though they knew God, they did not glorify him as God or show gratitude. Instead, their thinking became worthless, and their senseless hearts were darkened. 22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools…They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served what has been created instead of the Creator, who is praised forever. Amen.”  Rom 1:21,22,25

    In God’s Kingdom, it will be the symbolic “144,000” under Christ, who will teach and judge God’s children, as has been God’s plan all along. (1 Pet 2:5,9; Mal 2:7) Before that time, it is Satan’s plan to crush and trample down this holy arrangement in Christ, using man’s creation that you are taking part in.  (Matt 24:15; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2; Rev 13:1,7; 20:7-9)  The elders’ lack of Holy Spirit and failures to judge righteously, is evident in the travesties the organization has devised.   Jesus did not “send” men not anointed to be shepherds and judges; he sends those anointed by God as branches of the vine – the vine being Jesus Christ.  (John 15:5; 1 Cor 6:2)  Without Holy Spirit from Christ, without recognizing only Jesus as their head, even they can do nothing.  Thus, the organization, which requires obedience to men (GB/elders), who have replaced Jesus as the Head of the vine…of the anointed Body…has become a deadly trap for everyone involved. (2 Thess 2:9-12)

    God has only one Temple of “living stones” (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16) as His dwelling.  The “man of lawlessness”/elder body “sits” in, rules over, that Temple.  (2 Thess 2:3,4)  And as a result, these living stones look to an idol as salvation along with the rest of the wayward sheep. The elder body acts as God’s representatives, as fake priests, yet they represent and give sole dedication, and veneration, to an idol.  (Rev 13:4)  Do you really believe God does not see that His anointed have left Christ to follow and grovel before men?

    Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness? 15 And what accord has Christ with Belial? Or what part has a believer with an unbeliever? 16 And what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For youare the temple of the living God. As God has said:

    “I will dwell in them
    And walk among them.
    I will be their God,
    And they shall be My people.”

    17 Therefore

    “Come out from among them
    And be separate, says the Lord.
    Do not touch what is unclean,

    And I will receive you.”
    18 “I will be a Father to you,
    And you shall be My sons and daughters,
    Says the Lord Almighty.”  2 Cor 14-18

     

     

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  4. 4 hours ago, JW Insider said:

    I have seen important changes to these processes, and important changes to the basic direction of the judicial focus. (There is no longer an implied element of protecting the reputation of the congregation, and the focus has shifted almost completely to the protection of children, and recognizing that the shame is on the perpetrator and no one else.) I am satisfied that the WTS did about as much as it was possible to do for now, and that most of the current issues are carry-overs from prior to these last changes.

    This can't even be categorized as “new light”.  It is the simple act of loving compassion that should be shown to the victim, and righteous judgment enacted on the perpetrator.  Does it take a good 70 years to understand this? Where are the "loving shepherds" motivated by Holy Spirit?  

    As they say, talk is cheap.    

    On the JW home front, things may seem to have improved, but the organization removes this pious-looking mask in the courtroom when the victims confront them with their failures; and now they have taken their stance against the ARC. In that arena, most JWs will not know the bold, brazen face that the organization exposes, when confronted by a victim suffering from WT’s cold judgment made against them.

    JWs are told not to go there.  


  5. 32 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

    A pretty good guess, I would imagine. I like to think that is still quite low, in view of Invisiblechild.org  reporting that 1 out of every 5 children in the US will be suffer molestation before age 18. But such will never be known for sure because practically nobody other than JWs made note of abuse cases within the membership; Witnesses did so in the spirit of Romans 2:22– to ensure that they ‘practice what you preach.’ In doing so, they produce a ‘paper trail,’ the 1000 ARC cases that nobody else produces because everybody else was content to not look.

    Their vigilance is readily used against them. It is the classic example of the cynical phrase, ‘No good deed goes unpunished.’ Had they stuck their heads in the sand, as was the pattern elsewhere, and cried like Sergeant Shultz: “I know nothing!!” they would have fared better.

     

    And now the elders “good deeds” are to destroy the paper trail.  How does that fit in with practicing what they preach?  

    To add to your selective statistics, “A typical pedophile will commit 117 sexual crimes in a lifetime”.  This of course, would include crimes committed to more than one child, over and over again. 

    Using the figure of one pedophile per a congregation of one hundred JWs, among just one thousand JWs, 117,000 crimes against children could be committed by JW pedophiles. 

    Not such a rosy picture to look at, is it. 


  6. 7 hours ago, Arauna said:

    Can you not see that Satan is getting ready to attack all religions on earth?  Have you not noticed how legislation is slowly changing everywhere? … to bring in the new secular world order and the fourth industrial revolution?

    Who is spiritually blind? 

    JWs are spiritually blind.  Satan may be getting ready to do just as you say.  But, what should be your concern?  What's happening on the outside of your organization, or where spiritual "Israel" resides...in sin?  Can there be a difference to the same sin according to who commits it?  Does it take on a better, acceptable hue within the organization, than outside of it?

    Who are "my people" in Rev 18:4-8?  

     


  7. 7 hours ago, Arauna said:

    That is debatable because you are most probably the most self-righteous person on this forum. You are the one always justifying your hate by abuse of scripture. 

    If I have abused scripture, then prove it, with scripture.  I wish you could see just who the "self-righteous" are - the GB who exalt their own "word" over that of God's.

    Thus the Lord God showed me: Behold, a basket of summer fruit. 2 And He said, “Amos, what do you see?”

    So I said, “A basket of summer fruit.”

    Then the Lord said to me:

    The end has come upon My people Israel;
    I will not pass by them anymore.

    The Lord has sworn by the pride of Jacob:
    Surely I will never forget any of their works.
    Shall the land not tremble for this,
    And everyone mourn who dwells in it?

    All of it shall swell like the River,
    Heave and subside
    Like the River of Egypt.

    “And it shall come to pass in that day,” says the Lord God,
    “That I will make the sun go down at noon,
    And I will darken the earth in [d]broad daylight;
    10 I will turn your feasts into mourning,
    And all your songs into lamentation;
    I will bring sackcloth on every waist,
    And baldness on every head;
    I will make it like mourning for an only son,
    And its end like a bitter day.

    “Behold, the days are coming,” says the Lord God,
    “That I will send a famine on the land,
    Not a famine of bread,
    Nor a thirst for water,
    But of hearing the words of the Lord.
    12 They shall wander from sea to sea,
    And from north to east;
    They shall run to and fro, seeking the word of the Lord,
    But shall not find it.

    “In that day the fair virgins
    And strong young men
    Shall faint from thirst.
    14 Those who swear by the sin of Samaria, ( ironically meaning, "watch tower")
    Who say,
    ‘As your god lives, O Dan!’
    And, ‘As the way of Beersheba lives!’
    They shall fall and never rise again.”  From Amos 8

    This prophesy concerns God's chosen people - today - "Israel".  

    God does not vindicate a people who hide their sins and chose to rule by the desires of men.

     

     

     

     

     


  8. Do you realize that you are probably the only person on this forum who uses the words “hate” and “hateful” repeatedly? Who really hates, Arauna? Is it you, hating “apostates”?  I believe that not one exjw here, hates JWs.  Instead, they are probably disgusted with the tyrannous leadership of the organization that they lived under for years, and are most likely dumbfounded that millions still tolerate its lies and hypocrisy.    I am.

    11 hours ago, Arauna said:

    If you are spiritual and apply the wisdom of the bible, you will not be impractical, unreasonable or illogical. 

    Shall we put this “wisdom” and its application to the test, and grade the WT’s actions against it?

    An anointed priest is to teach the people. (Mal 2:7; 1 Pet 2:5,9)  Who “represent” the priesthood and teach JWs instead?  Is it acceptable according to God’s word that the elder body have taken on that role which cannot be challenged? (yes! OCD kicking in!)  Is it acceptable that men not anointed can judge God’s chosen priesthood, that they can pass judgment on anyone above and beyond Christ Jesus?

    Here are the scriptures - the “wisdom” of the Bible – which verify that Watchtower gets a zero mark in this category:  Num 16:3-7,10,11,18,20,21,35,40; 2 Chron 23:6,7; Num 18:7; Ezek 44:6-9; 2 Chron 13:9; 2 Thess 2:4,8; Rom 14:4

    Whose wisdom will you accept – that of the GB or that of God?

    I’ve provided you with scriptures that show there is no building, no organization that can be called “God’s house”; yet, the WT calls every building constructed, just that:  “God’s house”.   WT’s “Bethel” is patterned after the sanctuary and city in ancient Israel.  It is not patterned after God’s dwelling, “house”, signified since the coming of the Messiah as the Body of Christ.  Has Christ become a “stumbling block” to the GB? (1 Pet 2:4-8)

    The “house/dwelling of God” today, is outlined in 1 Cor 3:16,17; 2 Cor ; Eph 2:20-22

    Whose wisdom will you accept – that of the GB or that of God?

    With the unyielding “two witness rule” adhered to in cases of child abuse and rape, do you realize that during the ARC, GB member Geoffrey Jackson was presented with God’s perfect justice outlined in  Deut 22:25,26 and he said it held no weight in matters of abuse today?  Why not?   Was the GB unable to perceive what loving justice in the case of victims is all about?

    Whose wisdom will you accept – that of the GB or that of God?

    11 hours ago, Arauna said:

    Your GB predictions remind me of Balaam.

     In the organization, who have become like beasts of burden? Who must obey the GB/”wicked slave” or pay the penalty of disfellowshipping? Every letter written by an anointed one questioning the GB’s doctrine, and warning them of their false steps, is ignored, just as Balaam ignored the beast of burden he rode.   

    Everyone must obey a wicked slave, or be kicked to the curb. 

     

    The reason required for the expulsion of the GB, will need to be inexcusable and offensive.
    How do we know?


    Rev.18:20... "“Rejoice over her, you heavens! Rejoice, you people of God! Rejoice, apostles and prophets! For God has judged her with the judgment she imposed on you.” (also Matt.7:2).


    Well, the GB cause the righteous, to be condemned to death (1John3:12,14)!

    See....
    "In her was found the blood of prophets and of God’s holy people, of all who have been slaughtered on the earth.” (Rev.18:24)


    Rev.13: "15 The second beast was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed."


    Rev.11: "7 Now when they have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up from the Abyss will attack them, and overpower and kill them. 8 Their bodies will lie in the public square of the great city—which is figuratively called Sodom and Egypt—where also their Lord was crucified. 9 For three and a half days some from every people, tribe, language and nation will gaze on their bodies and refuse them burial. 10 The inhabitants of the earth will gloat over them and will celebrate by sending each other gifts, because these two prophets had tormented those who live on the earth."


    Matt.5: "11 “Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12 Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you."
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    Now of course we know that the faithful who are unjustly accused and sentenced, suffer for righteousness' sake. Not so, the last harlot (GB). As the apostle Peter said;


    "14 But even if you should suffer for what is right, you are blessed. “Do not fear their threats; do not be frightened. 16 keeping a clear conscience, so that those who speak maliciously against your good behavior in Christ may be ashamed of their slander. 17 For it is better, if it is God’s will, to suffer for doing good than for doing evil.” -- "19 For it is commendable if someone bears up under the pain of unjust suffering because they are conscious of God. 20 But how is it to your credit if you receive a beating for doing wrong and endure it? But if you suffer for doing good and you endure it, this is commendable before God." (1Pet.3; 1Pet.2)

    So, our suffering can be for either doing good, or for doing bad. The wicked steward, beats his fellow anointed brothers and slaves of Christ, for their doing good. Like Balaam, he beats the beast of burden who has enough perception, to see where the path of Balaam is leading (Num.22). The donkey is trying to save Balaam's life, and Balaam arrogantly beats the donkey in cruelty and frustration, because Balaam is not as perceptive as the ass. The angel of the Lord is about to strike Balaam dead, for his offenses against God and God's nation. This applies in the time of the End, as we observe by the inclusion of this scenario within Revelation (Rev.2:14; Jude1:11; 2Pet.2:15).
     

    Just as the wicked steward/harlot/false prophet/Jezebel... has her faithful brothers in Christ, condemned to death as wicked through the Gentile force (elder body) they manipulate....
    --- (just as occurred with Jesus -Rev.11:8; Matt.23:37,35; Rev.18:24; John19:12,15-16; Rev.13:15; 11:7-8); 

    ....so too, “She” will bear a double portion (Rev.18:6), the shame of condemnation to death, but in her case, it will be deserved (Rev.19:2).

    Written by an anointed priest, Pearl Doxsey.
     

     


  9. 6 hours ago, Arauna said:

    If they meet, they meet not for their own benefit unlike your suggestion that other anointed must play important roles in the congregations they are in.....  And how will you know it is not an imposter anointed group trying to take over in the congregation...… ever thought of that????   I take you a bet you have not thought of this because practical matters are not your forte..

    I see that what 4Jah2me said, went right over your head.

    7 hours ago, 4Jah2me said:

    The GB saying that only they, those 8 men, are that Slave, and that the other Anointed should not meet together for bible study etc, when those 8 men meet together all the time.

    Your eyes are entirely focused on 8 men who would just as soon keep you locked in their pen and deceitfully coerce you into “donating” to their corrupt organization. (Ps 140:5)

    Jesus said,

     “You are the light of the world. A city that is set on a hill cannot be hidden. 15 Nor do they light a lamp and put it under a basket, but on a lampstand, and it gives light to all who are in the house. 16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works and glorify your Father in heaven.”  Matt 5

    Those part of the heavenly city, "New Jerusalem", the anointed, who are members of Christ’s Body, are to share his light – of TRUTH. (Gal 4:26; Heb 12:22) The living Temple of God is truth, with its foundation established on the teachings of Christ and the apostles. (Eph 2:20-22)  The organization is a counterfeit that pretends to be that “truth”.   Yet, it is the anointed, who are to be the light of the world today, as ambassadors of Christ. (2 Cor 5:20)  Your sole concern and vision, is in the GB, who have dictated their silence.  Why? To suppress truth.  To kill those in Christ. (Rev 13:15) The GB’s band of thieves/elders enforce this decree. (Acts 20:29; 2 Cor 11:3; Matt 24:24,25, 48-51) (John 10:1,10; 2 Thess 2:3,4)

    No Arauna, the rebels are the eight men, whom you cannot see as the primary wolves squelching the light of TRUTH each anointed one is to share. Do you really believe the true wolves would write a book against the GB, and publish it for everyone to read?  No, the authentic wolves would appear as sheep among the flock, and gain the trust of all in the herd.

     

    Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. (teachings) Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? Matt 7:15,16

     

    "For I know this, that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock. 30 Also from among yourselves men will rise up, speaking misleading things, to draw away the disciples after themselves."  Acts 20:29

    It is a "misleading thing" to tell the anointed to shut up and conform to an earthly organization's rules and regulations that guard its need for "unity".  Can't you see that the organization is not the Temple of God?  (1 Pet 2:5-9; 1 Cor 3:16,17)  Was there any entity during the time of the early temple period that was accepted above and beyond the established form of worship?  

    Your focus has been side-swiped to believe in an earthly "established" form of worship today, through "Jehovah's organization", instead of seeing the spiritual Temple built with anointed "living stones".  It is a very sly move on the part of Satan.  

     

    “However, the Most High does not dwell in temples made with hands, as the prophet says:

    ‘Heaven is My throne,
    And earth is My footstool.
    What house will you build for Me? says the Lord,
    Or what is the place of My rest?'  Acts 7:48,49

    "God who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands.  Nor is He worshiped with men’s hands, as though He needed anything, since He gives to all life, breath, and all things.   Therefore, since we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, something shaped by art and man’s devising.  Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent"  Acts 17:24,29,30

    (And yes, an anointing is the outpouring of Holy Spirit which takes up residence in the heart as God’s dwelling. (1 Cor 3:16,17; Acts 2:17; 1 John 2:27) The anointed  ‘necessarily’ DO have more holy spirit than anyone else…for a reason – to teach the light of Christ to those who thirst for it. (Mat 2:7; Heb 8:10)  Those individuals  are also blessed by God's Holy Spirit, allowing their eyes to open the real TRUTH.)

    How blind you are.  Unbeknownst to Furuli, I believe he is setting the stage for the fulfillment of scripture.  The “false prophet”/GB will be ousted by the composite organization of elders, along with rebel anointed ones, who would rather fork over their “crown”, for riches in this life, and not with Jesus Christ in God's Kingdom.  Rev 17:12-18

    It is not by happenstance that the anointed have always gathered in the WT organization.  (Rev 16:13,14; 20:7-10)  Satan demands to test each one, as “wheat”.  (Luke 22:31)

    I’m not sure if I have shared this quote from the WT, but it bears repeating:

    “Just as a boss of organized crime might oversee many illegal operations—drugs, prostitution, theft, gambling, smuggling, and so forth—without personally revealing himself to all his underlings, so Satan uses an organization to control far more people than he could by himself alone. His strategy? Besides harassing individuals, he and the demons treat masses of people as if they were a herd of cattle. No need to direct each one personally. Simply turn a few at the head of the herd, and the majority will follow. Then concentrate on the strays.” G90 1/8 pp 12-13

    We have been provided a personal peek into the devious ways Satan misleads “THE ELECT/SAINTS” in the last days – through an organization that “makes war” with them and spiritually "kills" anyone who stand up against it.  Rev 13:7,15  

     

     

     

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  10. 14 hours ago, Isabella said:

    Replacing the punishment of a believer means for Christensen the opportunity to go free without any additional restrictions, except for the obligation to pay the fine, said Christensen's advocate.

    So, the "king of the north" has a soft heart after all?

    “Gradually, Russia and its allies emerged as the king of the north. As discussed in the preceding article, for a government to fill the role of the king of the north or the king of the south, it must do three things: (1) interact directly with God’s people, (2) show by its actions that it is an enemy of Jehovah and his people, and (3) compete with the rival king.”   WT 5/2020

     

     

     


  11. 5 minutes ago, Space Merchant said:

    @Witness I said Far-Left and Far-Right...... You can't be serious with this YouTube video.... Are you?

    Of course I'm not serious about it.  Dear SM, what I'm trying to tell you is the same thing I've said before many times to you.  My focus is on my people in the organization, not on the political, religious movements in the world.  I don't care about left, right, right center bias, or center right bias. :)  Yes, I admit WT has its fingers in politics when it is advantageous toward their cause, but my interest is in their complete denial to follow God's words in Christ.  

     

     


  12. 6 minutes ago, Space Merchant said:

    The Far-Right is an ideology, therefore it is not an religious movement and or a faith, nor is it part of mainstream Christianity.

    I'm not a political person.  I cannot share your insatiable appetite for what you speak about. I've already explained myself and that will have to do.  But! Out of coincidence, my son sent me a video the very day "left", "right", showed up on this topic!  I'll share the video with you.   

    And that's as far as I will go with it. 

    By the way, I noticed you didn't address the fact that the redress scheme has been rejected by the WT.  

     


  13. On 6/20/2020 at 3:26 AM, Srecko Sostar said:

    Making deficit is not faithful nor discrete.

    That's a good point.  If this is "Jehovah's organization", why isn't running smoothly?  If they practice "pure worship", why isn't the organization thriving in every way?  When the people under Moses walked the desert for 40 years, something as minor as what they wore on their feet, never wore out.  Since the organization continually compares itself to God's nation during the time of Moses, would God allow a financial deficit to impede the work of His organization?  Or, is this deficit the underhanded work of thieves?  

    "I am the gate. Those who enter the sheep pen through me will be saved. They will go in and out of the sheep pen and find food. 10 A thief comes to steal, kill, and destroy. But I came so that my sheep will have life and so that they will have everything they need."  John 10:9,10


  14. 2 hours ago, JJJ-AUSTRALIA said:

    Oh yeah the same here in Australia, back when i was PIMI back in 2014 several JWs stopped preaching for some weeks while the Australian Royal Commission delivered their results as they were worried, embarrassed  and afraid on how the public would react.

    The question is, will their embarrassment at the most recent action made by their organization to reject the redress scheme, prick their conscience enough to leave?  Dedication, fear and blindness is so entrenched in their minds, I have my doubts.

    "No fear exists where His love is. Rather, perfect love gets rid of fear, because fear involves punishment. The person who lives in fear doesn’t have perfect love."   1 John 4:18

    As the video Srecko posted reveals, the GB does not make their decisions based on love for the congregation.  Even at their level, they also harbor fear, of losing their riches...their empire. 


  15. 15 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

    I was not referring to mainstream religion....

    Granted, it is out of place, but I think what pushed this button was your comment on another topic, regarding someone as part of “mainstream Christianity”. Your view on what is “truth” and who is practicing it, is foreign to what the WT believes.  You tend to rally forth for a religion that does not share your dissection of Trinitarians vs Nontrinitarians,  and lumping the WT in with “restorationists” – “The Great Christian Awakening”. 

    Since the first century, there have always been “awake” believers in Christ.  It doesn’t take a visible, organized religious “movement” in the form of “organization” and according to men’s plan, to reveal truth.  Zech 4:6

    You have an earthly view of religion and how to practice it, and that is your choice.   Personally, I feel it contradicts worshiping “in spirit and truth”.   John 4:21-24 

    My focus remains on the Watchtower and "Israel" inside.  (Matt 10:23; Rev 11:1-3)  This corrupt organization which holds the minds of people captive, fulfills Revelation's  prophesy.  (Luke 21:24; Col 2:8; Rev 13:10)

     

     


  16. 2 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

    If you do not know how the Left and Right operates, granted both sides tend to get secondary information that are often not as credible, mainly if it is something that are not as favorable, it will not come to the glory of your own favor - let that sink in as the days pass.

    Thank you for your warning, but the bottom line is, it very well could be true. 

    And, I should remind you, I am not interested in "mainstream religion", in the least.  My focus is on the Watchtower and the people inside. 

     


  17. On 5/29/2020 at 10:59 PM, Kosonen said:

    2 Thessalonians 2:3 "Let no one lead you astray in any way, because it (NWT, Jehovah's day) will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness gets revealed, the son of destruction."

     

     w54 4/1 pp. 216-223   Christ Jesus was enthroned in heaven as King in 1914, and he has work to do from that year until Armageddon. ... This period of time is known as “the day of Jehovah.”

    On 5/29/2020 at 10:59 PM, Kosonen said:

    How could ordinary church goers abandon Jesus all together? I mean that would unmistakably be apostacy  in its full sense.

    By abandoning  - silencing - the Temple members of his body.  The apostasy is allowing "Gentiles" (the elder body)  to "sit" in God's Temple - to rule over them. (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17)

    "He opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he sits in God’s temple, proclaiming that he himself is God."  2 Thess 2:4

    Rejecting God's priests and Christ's anointed brothers, is apostasy.  

     

     

     


  18. On 6/17/2020 at 9:44 AM, Timothy H said:

    The most important thing, that is more of an issue than you might initially think, would be the right heart condition. If you want to simply dispute every thing that is published by Jehovahs Witnesses, then you don't have the right heart condition nor the right mind set.

    “Then the brethren immediately sent Paul and Silas away by night to Berea. When they arrived, they went into the synagogue of the Jews. 11 These were more fair-minded than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness, and searched the Scriptures daily to find out whether these things were so.”  Acts 11:10,11

    Everything anyone teaches us from the Bible, should be backed up by the word of God. That should be our mindset, don't you think?

    On 6/17/2020 at 9:44 AM, Timothy H said:

    Secondly,   would you like every one to just call you man, probably not, you have a name.  So does God, Jehovah. When you call us JW`s, you are minimizing his name. 

      

    Timothy, are you defending a name given to a group of people, by a man?  Was Mr. Rutherford inspired when he announced that all members of a new organization were to be called “Jehovah’s Witnesses”?  Well no, the man who said that all the ancient patriarchs would be resurrected and live in a house in San Diego, was not inspired.  The man who said Armageddon would arrive in 1925, was speaking delusions of his own mind, wasn’t he.  (Lam 2:14; Jer 23:26) 

    He borrowed a scripture that applies to God’s chosen anointed priesthood:

    You are my witnesses,” declares Yahweh,
        “and my servant whom I have chosen
    so that you may know and believe in me
        and understand that I am he.
    No god was formed before me,
        and none shall be after me.

    I myself am Yahweh,
        and there is no savior besides Me!
    12 I myself declared and saved,
        and I proclaimed. And there was no strange god among you.
    And you are my witnesses,” declares Yahweh,
        “and I am God.” Isa 43:10-12  Lexham Bible
     

    “And you yourselves, as living stones, are being built up as a spiritual house for a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.

    But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God’s possession, so that you may proclaim the virtues of the one who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light, 10 who once were not a people, but now are the people of God, the ones who were not shown mercy, but now are shown mercy”  1 Pet 2:5,9

    Between those verses, Jesus is spoken as the precious chief cornerstone of God’s Temple,  (John 2:19-22 ) The anointed priests are "living stones" of that temple.  JF Rutherford rejected God’s temple arrangement, by spearheading an earthly organization and calling everyone who became a member, God’s chosen witnesses.  Has the chief cornerstone become a stumbling block to your leaders, who praise an invented organization and suppress the “living stones” of God’s spiritual “organization”/Temple?  Have they changed the meaning of scripture?

    For it stands in scripture,

    “Behold, I am laying in Zion a stone, a chosen and precious cornerstone,
    and the one who believes in him will never be put to shame.”

    Therefore the honor is for you who believe, but for those who refuse to believe,

    “The stone that the builders rejected,
    this one has become the cornerstone,”

    and

    “A stone of stumbling and a rock of offense,”

    who stumble because they disobey the word to which also they were consigned.”

    Consigned – appointed.  Each one of your anointed members is to teach you about this Temple, and about God and His Son.  They are not to proclaim the virtues of an earthly organization which has become a “strange god among you”, and that promises you and everyone who remains in it, salvation.  If these “living stones” are told to stay in the background, to be humble and submissive to 8 men and their own “priests” who now rule over them, what do you think God feels about the actions of His chosen witnesses?  (Mal 2:7; Dan 8:11;11:31; Mark 13:14)

     

    “For there is no good tree that produces bad fruit, nor on the other hand a bad tree that produces good fruit, 44 for each tree is known by its own fruit. For figs are not gathered from thorn plants, nor are grapes harvested from thorn bushes. 45 The good person out of the good treasury of his heart brings forth good, and the evil person out of his evil treasury brings forth evil. For out of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaks.” Luke 6:43-45

    Your leaders continue to mislead you about who the “chosen” witnesses of God, really are.  Are they teaching you “good fruit”, or utilizing a lie gleaned from a deep seated, evil treasury they’ve stored up in their hearts?

    “For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.”  Matt 24:24

    elect – chosen

    Are you serving God properly if you ignore His temple arrangement, and who His true "witnesses" are...and instead, honor a "god of fortresses"?  Dan 11:38

     

      Hello guest!

     

     

     


  19. 21 hours ago, Arauna said:

    While they may have moved extra funds to a different location, I do not trust the spin or angle the media is putting on it......... if you trust the media after all the junk that is published -  you are pretty naive. 

     

    “It is one thing to be ignorant, it is quite another to be ignorant by choice.”

    I thought of your comment when seeing this short video:

     

     


  20. 3 hours ago, Arauna said:

    While they may have moved extra funds to a different location, I do not trust the spin or angle the media is putting on it......... if you trust the media after all the junk that is published -  you are pretty naive. 

    If you trust that the WT intends to join in the redress scheme at the last minute (deadline June 30), you may be the one who is pretty naive.   

    "The Australian Government expects every institution in which the sexual abuse of children occurred to be accountable for that abuse and join the National Redress Scheme (the Scheme) and provide redress.

    The Australian Government and all state and territory governments have agreed that institutions named in the Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse report or named in an application received by the Scheme must provide a clear written statement setting out their intention to join the Scheme by no later than 30 June 2020. These institutions will be expected to join as soon as possible, but no later than 31 December 2020. This additional time reflects the maximum time needed to complete the on-boarding process and recognises the reduced capacity of many institutions due to the coronavirus pandemic.

    If by 30 June 2020 an institution has failed to signify its intention to join the Scheme, it will be immediately publicly identified by the Scheme in accordance with Scheme legislation and jurisdictions will consider other appropriate action. This may include financial sanctions applied by state, territory or Commonwealth governments, and changes to an organisation's charitable status. Naming institutions is necessary to ensure that people wanting to access the Scheme know the status of relevant institutions."  

      Hello guest!

     

    As of May 28th, the WT had no intention of joining in.

      Hello guest!

    It looks like the lost, abused sheep are just not that important to the organization.  Money takes priority.  

     


  21. 17 hours ago, JJJ-AUSTRALIA said:

    Asking the watchtower...😂😂😂J

    JWs should be thinking maybe this is how God is cleaning up the society and they are working against their own God... 😂😂😂

    Lol if God send Jesus again to clean the lost sheep the JWs will have him crucified again...😂😂😂

    That’s actually a very sobering thought.   It truly is a “war” between truth and lies.  

    Jesus rides on the side of God’s Truth (Rev 19:11), not “truth” as defined by men who lean on a few valid and truthful doctrines, but spout off a plethora of false ones.  (Rev 19:19)

    Yet, it is only God’s truth and righteousness, that will win out in the end.  (Rev 19:20,21)

    “Look, I am coming soon, and my reward is with me to repay each person according to his work13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.

    14 “Blessed are those who wash their robes,  so that they may have the right to the tree of life and may enter the city by the gates. 15 Outside are the dogs, the sorcerers, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices falsehood."  Rev 22:12-15

     

     


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