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Yes, Christ fulfilled the law and his sacrifice replaced the Passover. But, he ate the meal and died on the day of preparation, the day before Passover. John 19:41,42 - “Now at the place where Jesus was crucified there was a garden, and in the garden was a new tomb where no one had yet been buried. And so, because it was the Jewish day of preparation[dt] and the tomb was nearby, they placed Jesus’ body there.” [dt] The day of preparation was the day before the Sabbath when everything had to be prepared for it, as no work could be done on the Sabbath.”

Are you speaking of the first Passover? Obviously that wasn't the tradition that continued. Can you give me a scripture that states each Passover was eaten in just a few minutes? Exod 12:8 shows they are eating at "night", after the sun sets. You are saying that the meal was to be finished before that.

Satan did all the harm he could to Jesus' body when he was alive. He had him tortured and killed. At his death he was in the abyss/Hades preaching to the demons. The light of Christ overpowers the darkness of death. John 1:5 "And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overpower it." Matt 16:18 He said, "Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Instead, fear the one who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell." (Gehenna) Matt 10:28 "Then Jesus came up and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me." Matt 28:18 "I have told you these things so that in me you may have peace. In the world you have trouble and suffering, but take courage—I have conquered the world.” John 16:33 Once Jesus died, there was no need for "protection" from Satan. He was the one who had Satan "chained" and put into the abyss for a symbolic "thousand years". Rev 20:1-3

This is a little confusing, it is as if you are saying it must all be eaten before the sun sets the first evening, yet you are also saying "between two sunsets". "In haste" was done on the first "Passover", but it wasn't a tradition to follow. Exod 12:8 - And on this night, they shall eat the flesh, roasted over the fire, and unleavened cakes; with bitter herbs they shall eat it. 9 The Lord spoke to Moses: 10 “Tell the Israelites, ‘If any of you or of your posterity become ceremonially defiled by touching a dead body, or are on a journey far away, then he may observe the Passover to the Lord. 11 They may observe it on the fourteenth day of the second month at twilight; they are to eat it with bread made without yeast and with bitter herbs. 12 They must not leave any of it until morning, nor break any of its bones; they must observe it in accordance with every statute of the Passover. Num 9:9-12

"Now when it was noon (the sixth hour), darkness came over the whole land until three in the afternoon. (the ninth hour) 34 Around three o’clock Jesus cried out with a loud voice, “Eloi, Eloi, lema sabachthani?” which means, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” 35 When some of the bystanders heard it they said, “Listen, he is calling for Elijah!” 36 Then someone ran, filled a sponge with sour wine, put it on a stick, and gave it to him to drink, saying, “Leave him alone! Let’s see if Elijah will come to take him down!” 37 But Jesus cried out with a loud voice and breathed his last." Mark 15:33-37

Sheol, Hades, the abyss are not a place of protection, but of darkness and "not perceiving". I'm not sure why you would say that it was a place of protection for Jesus, when the "King of the abyss", of darkness, is Satan. (Rev 9:11) Jesus was in the abyss until his fleshly body was resurrected. But, the light of Christ overpowers darkness. Only the flesh of Jesus died, but not his spirit. "For Christ also suffered for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring you to God. He was put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit, 19 in which he also went and made proclamation to the spirits in prison" 1 Pet 3:18,19 Sheol: Will I deliver them from the power of Sheol? No, I will not! Will I redeem them from death? No, I will not! O Death, bring on your plagues! O Sheol, bring on your destruction! My eyes will not show any compassion! Hos 13:14 Hades - And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overpower it. Matt 16:18 Abyss - Jesus then asked him, “What is your name?” He said, “Legion,” because many demons had entered him. 31 And they began to beg him not to order them to depart into the abyss. Luke 8:30 Abyss - This word, ἄβυσσος (abussos), is a term for the place where the dead await the judgment. It also could hold hostile spirits according to Jewish belief "But the righteousness that is by faith says: “Do not say in your heart,‘ Who will ascend into heaven?’” (that is, to bring Christ down) 7 or “Who will descend into the abyss?”(that is, to bring Christ up from the dead)" Rom 10:6,7

He was buried the same day that he died. Looking at more scriptures to reason on this, If the Passover meal is eaten after sundown, or at the time of sundown, then that is when Jesus memorialized the supper with his disciples. He was the Lamb that was “prepared” on Preparation Day and fulfilled the coming Passover. (John 1:29; 1 Cor 5:7) But, Jesus was buried before the Sabbath. “Then, because it was the day of preparation, so that the bodies should not stay on the crosses on the Sabbath[cm] (for that Sabbath was an especially important one), the Jewish leaders asked Pilate to have the victims’ legs broken and the bodies taken down.” John 19:31 [cm] “The Jewish authorities, because this was the day of preparation for the Sabbath and the Passover (cf. 19:14), requested Pilate to order the legs of the three who had been crucified to be broken. This would hasten their deaths, so that the bodies could be removed before the beginning of the Sabbath at 6 p.m. This was based on the law of Deut 21:22-23 and Josh 8:29 that specified the bodies of executed criminals who had been hanged on a tree should not remain there overnight.” John 19:14 - (Now it was the day of preparation[a] for the Passover, about noon.) Pilate said to the Jewish leaders, “Look, here is your king!” [a] The term day of preparation (παρασκευή, paraskeuē) appears in all the gospels as a description of the day on which Jesus died. It could refer to any Friday as the day of preparation for the Sabbath (Saturday), and this is the way the synoptic gospels use the term (Matt 27:62, Mark 15:42, and Luke 23:54). John, however, specifies in addition that this was not only the day of preparation of the Sabbath, but also the day of preparation of the Passover, so that the Sabbath on the following day was the Passover (cf. 19:31). John 19:41,42 - “Now at the place where Jesus was crucifiedthere was a garden, and in the gardenwas a new tomb where no one had yet been buried. And so, because it was the Jewish day of preparation[dt] and the tomb was nearby, they placed Jesus’ body there.” [dt] The day of preparation was the day before the Sabbath when everything had to be prepared for it, as no work could be done on the Sabbath.” Jesus did not die, nor was buried on the Sabbath/Passover. Again, if the Passover is eaten after sundown, then Jesus died and was buried before Passover by the Jews reaction here: John 18:28 – “Then they (the high priest’s Jewish officers, John 18:28) brought Jesus from Caiaphas to the Roman governor’s residence. (Now it was very early morning.) Theydid not go into the governor’s residence so they would not be ceremonially defiled, but could eat the Passover meal.” …the Passover meal to be eaten that night "at the time of sunset". Lev 23:5

It does in the Wt's interpretation of "paradise". After only a thousand literal years, all the promises are gone, disintegrated. It is believed that Satan is let loose to lead astray hordes - a war ensues and death is everywhere. What about that teaching? How do you make it fit with the promise of Rev 21: 1-5? Does God have to make "all things new" a second time? (Rev 21:6) Will another Armageddon occur? According to your thousand year doctrine, there is NO ONE then, that can be trusted for a thousand years until their true colors emerge once Satan is let loose. Why? Because Rev 20:7,8 tells us that Satan uses DECEIT to lead those that number the sands of the sea AGAINST "New Jerusalem". So, who can you trust for a thousand years, even though everything looks peaceful and righteous? How do you know your neighbor won't use the same deceit on you when it's all over? Satan uses people to deceive others. He'll need an army of people on his side to DECEIVE the hordes that side with him. (2 Cor 11:14; 1 Tim 4:1) And how can New Jerusalem, a "heavenly city" well established with those "sealed" anointed ones, come under the attack of Satan and lead so many away from the Kingdom when the same chapter in Revelation (21:8) tells us "But as for the cowards, unbelievers, detestable persons, murderers, the sexually immoral, and those who practice magic spells, idol worshipers, and all those who lie, their place will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur. That is the second death.” New Jerusalem today is the "holy city" of anointed ones that are trampled in the organization. Satan is behind it. You have been DECEIVED. Matt 24:24,25; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2; 13:5-7; Matt 24:15,16; Rev 20:7-9 The "thousand years" ended with the advent of the organization and its ruling "heads". (Rev 9:1-6; 8:10-11; 13:1,2,11,12) Dan 7:21-27

I don't quite understand what you are asking. Are you referring to the time Jesus was a prisoner to be interrogated, or are you talking about his time in the abyss/the "heart of the earth"? (Jonah 2:2; Rom 10:7; 1 Pet 3:18-20; 2 Pet 2:4)

There really isn't a discrepancy. It probably helps to know that Jesus didn't die on Nisan 14, but the "Day of Preparation", the day before. ( Mark 15:42,43; Luke 23:53,54; John 19:41,42) Jesus was already buried before the Passover Sabbath. However!! I had remembered that the yearJesus died was a double Sabbath. I found this enlightening article concerning the three days and three nights. https://thewayofthemessiah.org/tsp.html

There really isn't a discrepancy. It probably helps to know that Jesus didn't die on Nisan 14, but the "Day of Preparation", the day before. ( Mark 15:42,43; Luke 23:53,54; John 19:41,42) Jesus was already buried before the Passover Sabbath.

To glorify the name of God, the tetragrammaton , requires full devotion to His decrees, His word in Jesus Christ that are already available for us to follow in the Bible. Are we allowed to add anything to the words of God? Deut 4:2 From a comment I had made sometime back: Watchtower’s governing body member, Anthony Morris, stated that the “theocratic organization” receives its decisions or “decrees” from God. He comments, “When that direction comes out to Branch committee members, or when it comes out to the congregations; If YOU WANT JEHOVAH’S BLESSING ON YOU as an individual or family, certainly as an elder or congregation, it’d be best to ask Jehovah to help you understand it, BUT OBEY THE DECISION. In clashing contrast, Watchtower’s “Winning the Battle For Your Mind” states: Keep in mind that Satan does not want you to think clearly or reason things out well. Why? Because propaganda “is likely to be most effective,” says one source, “if people . . . are discouraged from thinking critically.” (Media and Society in the Twentieth Century) So never be content passively or blindly to accept what you hear. (Prov. 14:15) Use your God-given thinking abilities and power of reason to make the truth your own.—Prov. 2:10-15;Rom. 12:1, 2. Please DO read their choice of scriptures - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Prov+14%3A5%3B+Prov.+2%3A10-15%3BRom.+12%3A1%2C+2&version=CSB The pendulum has swung the other way from A. Morris’ demand to obey whether you like it or not. Ah, but something important was omitted from the source’s quote, provided by someone on another forum: "Therefore, it (propaganda) is likely to be most effective if people do not have access to multiple sources of information, and if they are discouraged from thinking critically.” ---------- Words of truth and words of lies are provided from the same mouth of false prophets. (Matt 24:24,25; 1 Tim 4:1; Rev 13:11,12) JWs will choose Morris’ decrees, and OBEY blindly whatever comes down from “Jehovah and his organization”. The majority will not seek out access to multiple sources of information. Does this mean that the words of the Wt. are greater than the words Jesus Christ laid out for us? Are we judged by A. Morris' decrees or by the words of Jesus Christ? John 12:48 - "The one who rejects me and does not accept my words has a judge; the word I have spoken will judge him at the last day." Your organization requires a mark of dedication in the form of obedience and actions. (Rev 13:16) You must remember its decrees and follow them whether they seem “sound” in your mind or not. (Rev 13:17) Never do we glorify God when we follow the decrees of men who deceitfully tell us that any “new” decrees established in an earthly organization, come from God. (Deut 6:6,8; 11:18; Exod 13:9) By doing so, we have marked our forehead and hands with the name of the idol that we listen to. (Rev 14:9-12) "As Christians, we face up to similar challenges today. We cannot take part in any modern version of idolatry—be it worshipful gestures toward an image or symbol or the imputing of salvation to a person or an organization." Wt 1990/11/1 p. 26 It is disgusting that JWs hold up the tetragrammaton, and as if by doing so, it verfies that you glorify the Almighty God who expects exclusive devotion, while giving obedience to men and their idol. “image or a symbol” …. "To whom can you compare and liken me?Tell me whom you think I resemble, so we can be compared!" Isa 46:5

Leviticus 26:1 - “‘Do not make idols or SET UP AN IMAGE or a sacred stone for yourselves, and do not place a carved stone in your land to bow down before it. I am the Lord your God.” The Hebrew word here for “image” means - carved idol, stemming from a word meaning to cut, hew into shape. Over the life span of the organization, another image has taken shape; ingeniously and demonically crafted as a Satanic baited trap, to lead the anointed remnant into idolatry. ( Ps 119:123; Amos 3:5; Jer 5:26; Matt 24:24; 2 Cor 11:14-15; Col 2:8; Rev 13:10) Two “Beasts” worked together over time to aid in its development; the first one from the “sea” is a conglomerate, and “Gentile” in nature. (Rev 9:1,3-4; Isa 57:20; Dan 7:3; 13:1,2; Rev 2:9) From Satan, it has received power, a throne, and great authority to overcome the holy ones. (2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1-2; 13:7) The second Beast comes “out of the earth”, with “earth” signifying the people belonging to God, and are kings under Jesus Christ. (Isa 64:8; 1 Pet 2:9,10; 1 Cor 3:9; Rom 2:28,29; Gal 3:29; Rev 1:5; 13:11). This second Beast involves a lineage of false prophets/teachers, leading “heads” of the Beast from the sea, who profess to speak truth as Christ’s ambassadors. (Matt 24:24; 1 Tim 4:1; 2 Pet 2:1,10,12; Jude 10,11; Rev 2:14; 17:9,10) (John 8:17; 2 Cor 5:20; Rev 13:11; Dan 11:27; Rev 16:13) Leaving their covenant with the Father and Jesus, these false prophets have become spiritual Harlots. (Jer 9:2; Ezek 16:32; 1 Cor 6:15-16; Col 2:18-19; Rev 17:1-2,5) The Beast has received power from the “dragon” to perform great wonders, while exercising all authority of the first beast, to its benefit. (Luke 22:25; Rev 13:12,13) “Because of the signs it was given power to perform on behalf of the first beast, it deceived the inhabitants of the earth. It ordered them to SET UP AN IMAGE in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived.” Rev 13:14 The Greek word for “image” – a likeness, profile, representation, resemblance, “be like”. What is the image of the first Beast from the Sea resembling or representing? (Rev 13:1) What representation does it promote? The organization’s doctrine defines this image as the “likeness” or “representation of the world-wide political system”. They say it is the United Nations. Yet, if we go back to Leviticus 26, God was warning His people under covenant not to set up an image that must be worshipped. (Deut 11:16; Jer 32:34; Isa 46:5,9; Rev 13:4,15) Many nations of peoples had idols during that time, but God’s focus was on pure worship to be given to Him by His chosen people. He warned them not to adopt idols from other nations. He told them of the consequences of losing His spiritual protection, reminding His people of the abundance blessings they had received when obedient to His decrees. (Lev 19:4; 26:14-15,17,20; Exod 23:13; Judges 10:6; Micah 5:13; Rom 1:25) So, who is it that must understand and apply the message of Revelation? The political and religious elements of the world? Again, it is God’s holy people under covenant. They loosely apply Revelation to themselves only as innocent victims, never as irresponsible in following the commands of Christ. (Rev 3:14-22; 14:9-11) In general, JWs already do not get involved in politics or the religions of other nations; therefore, it is inconceivable for them to think they could be led into idolatry by other nations. How then, could it happen among God’s holy people today? Since the word, “heavenly organization” is used to define heavenly Zion by the Wt, how easy it has been for the false prophets/”harlots” to label their earthly organization, as “Jehovah’s earthly Zion”. This idol has a unique quality that the United Nations organization cannot boast of. The image of this Beast has been given “breath” by its beastly harlot-false prophets, an inspirational idea to set it apart from all other organizations - religious or political. (1 Tim 4:1; Rev 13:15) Its perception as “spirit-directed” has become a seemingly powerful, life-giving, or life-threatening image to JWs. There are quotes in the magazines verifying that God’s Holy Zion/New Jerusalem is represented on earth through His spirit-anointed priests within the organization. (wt 02/7/1 pp. 9-14; ip-2 chap. 23 pp. 335-348) But deceit has come into play. Lies are built up and any truth once taught, has been removed. (Rev 16:13-16) The organization more prominently promotes itself as God’s earthly “Zion”; a counterfeit of the heavenly Zion represented by the faithful anointed. (Dan 8:10-12; Zech 4:7) (Ps 132:7-9,13-14; Gal 4:26; Heb 12:22;Rev 14:1) Its spirit-directed “living” image is represented by the “Gentile” elder body, who rule over God’s Temple priests. Do we see any "Beast"... any identity or group, whose image is being imbued with a facade of spirit-authority and power, by a false prophet? At John20:21-23, we saw that Jesus gave holy spirit to his anointed chosen ones, bestowing on them a commission to teach truth, and authority over the forgiveness of sin (John20:23; 1Cor.6:2-3; Matt.18:18). But who is it that is actually exercising that authority and power today... even over the anointed Chosen? What image today, by declaration of a prophet, seems "spirit-directed", and as a result, the tangible representatives and enforcers of worship toward that image, can pass the judgment of spiritual life or death... (over those who refuse to accept that image as being spirit-directed), ...even over the chosen ones? (Dan.8:11-12,24; 11:33; Luke21:24; Rev.13:10,7; 1Cor.3:16; 2Thess.2:4; Dan.11:36-37,34; Mark13:14) Living Idol Lev 26:1 follows up immediately by saying in verse 2 - “‘Observe my Sabbaths and have reverence for my sanctuary. I am the Lord.” To have reverence means “to fear, stand in awe of, respect, honor”. The sanctuary was the earthly dwelling of God’s Spirit at that time. (Exod 25:8) Today, it is within the hearts of the anointed. (1 Cor 3:16,17) Yet the Beast from the Sea has elevated the image of itself as spirit-directed, far above God’s sanctuary in importance, hanging this false teaching over the anointed heads of “living stones”. (Ezek 44:6-9; Lam 1:10; Zeph 3:4; Isa 63:18; Dan 11:31; Luke 12:10; 1 Pet 2:5) The anointed are an obscure group of people in the Wt, whose admission of receiving an anointing is generally disregarded, not believed, or the person claiming to be anointed may be deemed as mentally ill. Easily, this spiritual nation has been trampled down by a massive, strong “Gentile” elder body, by subduing them with lies. (Joel 2:2-3; Ezek 34:2,4,21) It is the organization that demands respect and honor, and it is the elders that must be revered and obeyed; signifying that this is the time when “Gentiles” are standing in the holy place where they don’t belong. (Eccl 10:5-7; Mar 13:14) The “man of lawlessness” is another name for the Beast from the Sea. (2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 13:18) The word of harlot-false prophets is a hybrid of teachings that have muddied and poisoned the clear living waters of truth. ( 2 Cor 11:2-4; Rev 8:10-11;17:1,15) I wondered if a contradiction could be detected in John 1:1, where the NWT bible reads “the Word was a god”. Was this change inspired solely because of the Trinity doctrine? Perhaps, yet the Word - “direction”, “guidance”, “instruction”,” protection”, “discipline” from “Jehovah’s organization”; and necessary “obedience” to this Beast/Idol holds greater impact in the mind of a JW, than does the Word of God in Jesus Christ…God’s spokesman (Logos), messenger, beloved Son and reigning King. (John 8:31; 14:6; Matt 28:18) The leadership’s teachings which substitute scripture, are “inspired” by the living idol. (Mark 7:6-9; 2 Tim 3:16) We are judged based on the word of God, not those of men. (John 12:48,49) Exodus 13:9 "And it shall be for a sign unto thee upon thine hand, and for a memorial between thine eyes, that the LORD'S law may be in thy mouth: for with a strong hand hath the LORD brought thee out of Egypt." That symbolic token on the hand and forehead would also signify that God's Law would be remembered...always present in our heart, and then proceed from our mouth. (See Deut.6:6,8; 11:18; Luke 6:45) What our heart contained would become evident by our words (Matt.12:33,34,35) and on this basis, we would be judged (Matt.12:37,36). This evidence of our heart's spiritual condition, is symbolized by a spiritual identifying mark, on our hands (evident deeds/practices) and forehead (beliefs, moral code, mental disposition, spiritual perspective and perceptions -Eze.9:4). (Deut.6:6,8; Rev.13:16,17) Mark of the Beast Not only spiritually were God’s people marked by His word, but as a physical remembrance they were told, “You shall teach them to your children, speaking of them when you sit in your house, when you walk by the way, when you lie down, and when you rise up. 20 And you shall write them on the doorposts of your house and on your gates”. Deut 11:19-20 We are all familiar with the organization's literal logo. My son asked one day, “you know how sometimes nothing is as it seems?” He had passed one of the Wt. signs posted on the local kingdom hall. In advertising, it is said that the color blue promotes trust, depth, and calmness. White signifies the idea of cleanliness, so both colors are used frequently by corporations in advertising. Also, these two “colors of Judah” relating to the early priesthood, adorn the flag of the nation of Israel, which is also called the Flag of Zion. I can see the organization adopting the colors, for both reasons. He expressed that behind this innocent looking logo which invites the world to explore its “truths”, danger lurks in the form of lies, of hidden child abuse, and slavery to men and their fleshly desires. I told him that it also represents the home of the “man of lawlessness”, and spiritual harlots directing these “drunkards”. (Hab 2:15-16; Matt 24:48-51) I said, the harlot leaders have adulterated the Word of God, and exposed their lust for their idol and its image, represented by the elder body. After some discussion, he then related his time visiting a very small town in the state of Nevada, servicing computers for his job. He wasn’t aware of what the “red light district” meant until his workmate pointed out the actual red light positioned above the door of various pubs and buildings in the town. This signifies an open invitation to visit a prostitute. When he made this connection to the organization’s logo as an open invitation to avail oneself to the Harlot’s wares – the “Word” of her god, I realized that the scripture lingering in the back of my mind during our conversation, describes in blunt terms, the spiritual immoral relationship of the Beast/Harlot from the earth, with her “mountainlike organization” of “Gentiles” that she loves. “On a lofty and high mountain You have set your bed; Even there you went up To offer sacrifice. 8 Also behind the doors and their doorposts You have set up your remembrance; For you have uncovered yourself to those other than Me, And have gone up to them; You have enlarged your bed And made a covenant with them; You have loved their bed, Where you saw their nudity. And of whom have you been afraid, or feared, That you have lied And not remembered Me, Nor taken it to your heart? Is it not because I have held My peace from of old That you do not fear Me? 12 I will declare your righteousness And your works, For they will not profit you. 13 When you cry out, Let your collection of idols deliver you. But the wind will carry them all away, A breath will take them. But he who puts his trust in Me shall possess the land, And shall inherit My holy mountain.” Isa 57:7-8,11-13 So he carried me away in the Spirit into the wilderness. And I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast which was full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. 4 The woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls, having in her hand a golden cup full of abominations and the filthiness of her fornication. 5 And on her forehead a name was written: MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. Rev 17:3-5 “For all the nations have drunk the wine of her sexual immorality, which brings wrath. The kings of the earth have committed sexual immorality with her, and the merchants of the earth have grown wealthy from her sensuality and excess. 4 Then I heard another voice from heaven: Come out of her, my people, so that you will not share in her sins or receive any of her plagues. 5 For her sins are piled upto heaven, and God has remembered her crimes.” Rev 18:3-5

Should read, "They can't be trusted as far as you can throw them"

According to GB Samuel Herd it was believed until NOW that there would be anointed that survived Armageddon and into your paradise earth. But new light has just now dawned…after how many years? Adjustments, after adjustments, after adjustments that were all once taught as TRUTH. Ask yourself, what is TRUTH to a JW? Is there any substance behind it? (Col 2:8; Rev 13:10) As Herd says, “Now you may recall we use to think a certain way some ten years ago about the following matter. We felt that some of the anointed would survive Armageddon and move right on into the paradise with the other sheep and MAYBE stay there for a given time, and then be brought to life in heaven. But as we understand it, some things Jehovah will not permit us to see even though we read over it many, many times. We can’t see it until Jehovah puts the light on it. He helps us to see things.” If these men are led by Holy Spirit, and Jesus promised to give understanding to the faithful under his care if they asked for it, why didn’t he help earlier? (John 14:26; 1 John 2:27) Why would he allow the chosen to be misled for so long under a falsehood…only to fall for another falsehood? What spirit is in charge of your organization that has successfully trapped all anointed over the years? (Matt 24:24,25; Luke 22:31; 1 Tim 4:1) It is not from the Father, nor the Son. God doesn’t allow your leaders to “see” because of their rebellious hearts, and their love of earthly treasures over treasures in heaven. (Matt 6:20) They have introduced the "man of lawlessness", through the development of their organization. That entity (Rev 13:1,2,5-7,18) has brought the downfall to God's "elect". (2 Thess 2:1-4; Rev 11:1,2; 20:7-9) “No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money. “ Matt 6:24 This scripture gives one reason why there is no consistent, continuous light that truly gets brighter as scriptural wisdom sharpens. What is consistent, is the failed understanding in the org. which proves that it exists in darkness. (Isa 59:10) The early temple worship ended with the development of the spiritual temple on the body of Christ. (John 2:19-21; 1 Pet 2:5,9; Eph 2:20-22) But in the last days, a façade has been developed, that requires slaves and money to produce a new temple built with hands! (Acts 17:24-25; Rev 13:1,2,4,15-17) The GB say to “TRUST” them, because God and Jesus trust them - to do what? To tell the truth, or tell a falsehood? How foolish for JWs to believe these liars. They can’t be trusted with in Jesus Christ, as far as you can throw them. (Ezek 21:24-27; Isa 22:14-19; Rev 17:15-18) What slander against the Father and the Son has this organization committed, by telling its members that a lie - a doctrine of men - is sourced in the God of Truth. (Num 23:19) "But the path of the righteous is like the bright morning light, growing brighter and brighter until full day. 19 The way of the wicked is like gloomy darkness; they do not know what they stumble over." Prov 4:18,19 The Sign of the End

As others here state, let scripture interpret scripture. Revelation tells us who the victims are in this flood, and what the flood is. Rev 12:15 - From his mouth the serpent spewed water like a river flowing after the woman, to sweep her away with a flood. What comes out of the mouth of Satan? “You are of your father the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he tells a lie, he speaks from his own nature, because he is a liar and the father of lies.” John 8:44 Who is the woman that is the target of the flood of lies? “These things are being taken figuratively, for the women represent two covenants”. Gal 4:24 “But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother”. New Jerusalem has as its members those under the New Covenant – promise – “woman”; the anointed members of Christ’s body. (Luke 22:19,20; 1 Cor 12:12) Obviously, Wt’s teaching that the “woman” is God’s physical heavenly organization of angels, is a lie. The only way Satan can “flood” the anointed with lies is through his ministers. (2 Cor 11:13-15; 1 Tim 4:1) Through demonic expressions, he breathes his lies onto the “kings of the earth” – THE KINGS BELONGING TO JESUS, not the rulers of this world. (Rev 1:5; 5:9,10) If this is downvoted because I say this with scriptural proof, then you...are the liar, rebelling against the word of God as to whom the "kings of the earth" reference in Revelation. “Then I saw three unclean spirits (“spirits of demons”) that looked like frogs coming out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast, (organization Rev 13:1,2) and out of the mouth of the false prophet (Governing Body Rev 13:11,12) 14 For they are the spirits of the demons performing signs who go out to the kings of the earth to bring them together for the battle that will take place on the great day of God, the All-Powerful.” The anointed were brought together under one organization, which tells them to submit to the rulership of the elder body/Beast from the Sea, and the GB Beast from the Earth. Rev chapter 13 They have been replaced by the elders as “priests”. Ezek 44:6-9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2 “For just like the days of Noah were, so the coming of the Son of Man will be. 38 For in those days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day Noah entered the ark. 39 And they knew nothing until the flood (of lies) came and took them all away” Matt 24:37-39 Eating, drinking, marrying and believing they have “The Best Life Ever”, with spiritual peace and security in the organization. 1 Thess 5:3 – “Now when they are saying, “There is peace and security,” then sudden destruction comes on them, like labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will surely not escape.” Rev 12:4 - "Now the dragon’s tail swept away a third of the stars (Dan 8:10,11) in heaven and hurled them to the earth. Then the dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth, so that he might devour her child as soon as it was born." Each anointed who represents, and are “children” of the New covenant “woman” promise, must “give birth” in agony, which is the result of the great tribulation that comes upon them by Satan and his two beasts. Only a few escape the flood waters – the “remaining ones of the woman’s seed”. And although no longer under the rule of the organization, Satan still 'wages war' against them. Rev 12:7 (Isa 26:17; Matt 24:8; Luke 17:35-37; Rev 12:6,17) https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isa+26%3A17%3B+Matt+24%3A8%3B+Luke+17%3A35-37%3B+Rev+12%3A6%2C17&version=NET That war is Armageddon, a battle of truth against lies. Rev 12:7 "Stars" represent "Israel" under covenant; and the anointed under Christ. Gen 22:17; Rom 9:8; 4:28; Rev 1:16,20 “The arrival of the lawless one will be by Satan’s working with all kinds of miracles and signs and false wonders, 10 and with every kind of evil deception directed against those who are perishing, because they found no place in their hearts for the truth so as to be saved. Consequently God sends on them a deluding influence so that they will believe what is false. 12 And so all of them who have not believed the truth but have delighted in evil will be condemned.” 2 Thess 2:9-12

@Patiently waiting for Truth's expectations are not as far-fetched as you believe. God expects truth to be taught by those who are Christ's ambassadors. (2 Cor 5:20) Is His brush broad and judgmental? Would an honest diplomat of a country slander the words of the leader he is representing, by twisting his words to convey a message altogether different than what he sent his ambassador to proclaim? A liar among God's people is a much more serious transgression than a ruling liar in the political world. "There are six things that the Lord hates, seven that are an abomination to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil, a false witness who breathes out lies, and one who sows discord among brothers." Prov 6:16-19 Were JWs never partakers in false witnessing the generation doctrine; or maybe the 1975 date of Armageddon (just to name a few). John 4:10 - Jesus answered, “If you knew the gift of God, and who is saying to you, ‘Give me a drink,’ you would ask him, and he would give you living water.” John 4:14 – “but whoever drinks of the water that I will give him shall never thirst; but the water that I will give him will become in him a well of water springing up to eternal life.” John 14:6 – I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. John 7:38 - The one who believes in me, as the Scripture has said, will have streams of living water flow from deep within him.” Prov 18:4 - The words of a man’s mouth are deep waters; The fountain of wisdom is a bubbling brook. Matt 7:7,8 – “Ask, and it will be given to you. Seek, and you will find. Knock, and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives, and the one who seeks finds, and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened.” There is nothing impure that comes from Jesus Christ. He expects us to ask for “living water”. Men taint this “living water” that we see in God’s word with their own ideas; thus, as long as JWs remain with the men who have muddied and poisoned the living water of truth, (Heb 12:15; Rev 8:10-11)with their continuous changed and failed doctrine, as well as their established lies, it is as you say; you will never find the truth from God and Christ "in this world". Prov 25:26 - "A righteous person who yields to the wicked is like a muddied spring or a polluted well." Luke 6:45 - "A good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and an evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. For the mouth speaks what the heart is full of."

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What are God’s people in 2 Pet 3 looking forward to? Some “advanced knowledge” as your translation puts it, of a projected date signifying the end? "Therefore, dear friends, since you have been forewarned, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of the lawless and fall from your secure position." What were they being forewarned about, or given advanced knowledge about? Because the “day of the Lord” will come as a thief, they were told to “make every effort to be found spotless, blameless and at peace with him”. 2 Pet 3:14 He said this because… “Above all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires.” 2 Pet 3:3 You cannot use these scriptures to bolster your date. Peter was telling God's holy people how easy they could fall from their "heavenly" calling. The works of all anointed down to today, would be revealed by "fire" - the Word of God. (Jer 23:29) Everything that they said and did, will be "laid bare". His word is the touchstone of judgment. This is talking about the teachings of Jesus Christ. You are saying that your prediction is truth. Do you dare compare it to the words of Jesus which must settle and grow in the heart? Are your words more important than what Jesus said in Acts 1:7? Do you believe that both “words”, yours and those of Jesus, can find room in a heart that must remove all “weeds”/lies in order to flourish? How shameful. Jer 6:15

I am convinced that whatever you use to validate your claim; whether it’s scripture or whether you use Wt’s quotes to validate their own belief system, you’ll get a downvote. You could tell some people here that the sky is blue and the grass is green, but simply because it comes out of the “wrong” mouth, you get a downvote. They are like three-year-olds that say “no” everything. But it’s far worse than that. They slander with words of emptiness, indicating that they would rather not hear authentic truth. They would rather cover their ears and believe in their confusion, and call you, the condemned one. (Zech 7:8-12; 2 Thess 2:10) Take for instance, the quote below. Will they read it and comprehend it? Maybe, and then reject it. Why? Because it is I who posted it? Because, they don’t believe that their organization made false predictions...ever? Because, according to historical facts, it makes them uncomfortable to entertain the thought that their people are not really God’s faithful people, according to the quote? Because they put the blame on others like their leaders, so they are not responsible for following them? (Ezek 13:9; 2 Tim 4:3,4) They won’t “go there”; they can’t process incoming truth, which is called spiritual drunkenness. (Isa 24:20; Job 12:25; John 12:40; Rev 18:3-8) And Satan who provides just enough “truth” to convince them that they are in God's organization, makes sure that they choose the lie, over any small morsels of truth that may be left in Wt’s teachings. (Rev 16:13-16) “True, there have been those in times past who predicted an “end to the world,” even announcing a specific date. Some have gathered groups of people with them and fled to the hills or withdrawn into their houses waiting for the end. Yet, nothing happened. The “end” did not come. There were guilty of false prophesying. Why? What was missing? Missing was the full measure of evidence required in fulfillment of Bible prophesy. Missing from such people were God’s truths and the evidence that he was guiding and using them.” Awake, 10/8/1968 What is this entire magazine’s forecast? “What Will the 70’s Bring?” JWs will not access God's word to help them analyze what it true and what is false. They listen instead, to the very leaders who have led them astray with doctrine of men, time after time after time. And they love it that way. It's comfortable. (1 Thess 5:3) They see the results of their obedience to men, by progression in status with the organization, or by their remaining in "good standing" with fellow believers. Those are immediate blessings of this life; far more important than the life to come. (2 Cor 11:13-15,19,20) "The prophets prophesy lies, the priests rule by their own authority, and my people love it this way. But what will you do in the end?" Jer 5:31 How to Identify True Prophets

Open your eyes, Arauna. Rev 21:22-24 - "I did not see a temple in it, because the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. 23 The city does not need the sun or the moon to shine on it, because the glory of God illuminates it, and its lamp is the Lamb. 24 The nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it." When this battle is all finished, will Jesus choose some of these “kings of the earth” which you call literal rulers of the nations of the world – to serve in the Temple of God? Why would he, when he has his own spiritual, anointed “kings of the earth”? Rev 1:4-6 “John: To the seven churches in Asia. Grace and peace to you from the one who is, who was, and who is to come, and from the seven spirits before his throne, 5 and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To him who loves us and has set us free from our sins by his blood, 6 and made us a kingdom, priests to his God and Father—to him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.” That I agree with. The composite “false prophet” GB, (Rev 13:11,12) that misleads the “elect”/”kings of the inhabited earth”, which are the anointed priests, has truly accomplished their goal – to convince JWs that the “kings of the earth” that do battle against the Lamb, are not the kings belonging to Jesus Christ; of which your false teachers/prophets if anointed, are most definitely part of …”kings of the earth”. Are they not? This is why the composite false prophet Beast of Rev. 13:11,12, is from the "earth". (Matt 24:24,25) The battle is between these kings; who were chosen as the habitation of God’s Spirit. They are His “land”, and His land has always had good kings and bad kings. Nothing has changed, only that the connotation of “kings” is now spiritual. Hos 4:1;1 Cor 3:16; 3:9; Rev 5:9,10

Was it wisdom from God, or men? Did God decide that His anointed priesthood and Temple members (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17) be replaced by "Gentile" "uncircumcised" men? (Rom 2:28,29) Perhaps you can provide scriptures that supports such wisdom. "My message and my preaching were not with persuasive words of wisdom, but with a demonstration of the Spirit’s power, so that your faith would not rest on men’s wisdom, but on God’s power. 6 Among the mature, however, we speak a message of wisdom—but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing.…" 1 Cor 2:5,6 "But no one is to enter the house of the LORD except the priests and the ministering Levites; they may enter, for they are holy. And all the people are to keep the command of the LORD." 2 Chron 23:6 "So you shall appoint Aaron and his sons that they may *keep their priesthood, but the *layman who comes near shall be put to death." Num 3:10 Whenever men or idols found their way into the "holy place", it was called an abomination, a disgusting thing. (Ezek 8:6; Dan 12:11; Matt 24:15,16; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2) God was never pleased when His Temple was defiled. (Ezek 44:6-9)

The organization has a record… · of false teachings · of child abuse · of spousal abuse · of disfellowshipping · of shunning · of breaking up families · of “trampling” down the anointed priesthood to allow a counterfeit priesthood to be honored. (Matt 24:15,16; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1-2) In such an environment of all-inclusive abuse, where is the love? There is none. Each bullet point is a practice of lawlessness. Jesus fulfilled the law in love. (Rom 13:8-10) Every one of God's commandments are fulfilled in love. (Rom 13:8-10) Then the Wt arrives, creating a different set of laws. Do JWs love their neighbors as themselves? They easily shun their neighbors when men wielding authority over them, tell them they must. Half of the time they don’t even know why they must shun their neighbor. The just do it, out of subjection to men. (Isa 2:22; Col 2:20-22) How many times has the guilty been considered the innocent ones in cases of abuse? How many times are the women disfellowshipped while their elder husbands remain in good standing, when it was the elder who was guilty of adultery? (Prov 24:24-25; 29:7; Isa 1:17) JWs’ leaders have rejected the words of Jesus by replacing them with their own - the doctrine of men. Yes! You can’t say you follow the doctrine of Jesus Christ and mix it with your own! (Deut 4:2; Gal 1:8) There is only one way, and one truth. (John 14:6) It doesn’t include the laws/doctrine of men. Why do JWs exalt uninspired men and their word, over the words of God and Jesus Christ? WHERE has that been condoned in the word of God? And no, simply because of this situation, dear Pudgy, the Wt will not thrive. Instead...expect the least expected, in the opposite way that you may be entertaining by your example of “chapter 3”. God will not mold the organization according to His ways. He will not mold people who don’t care to serve Him in love. He turns only to the hearts who call out for justice and mercy. (2 Chron 16:9;Prov 28:5; Ps 37:27-29; Isa 51:4-5;Heb 10:30) “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. 22 Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.’ Matt 7:21-23 This man’s story linked is widely available now. Every JW should listen to it, and if they have genuine love in their heart, they will be moved to question their organization’s teachings. They may even be moved to ask God why their organization does not practice love. (Rev 18:4-8) For a certain, I will be told I am "malignant", stupid, crazy, demonic, etc., etc.; yet I will be upholding the Word of God and not Wt. doctrine. Jesus upheld God's word, and for that he was told he had lost his mind, and he had a demon. Interesting, isn't it, how history repeats itself? He was killed by his people. For those of us who leave the organization and uphold the teachings of Jesus Christ, we experience the same shunning, and are given the same labels as he received. We lose loved ones, just as he predicted. (Mark 10:28-30) These people who reject false teachings, are "killed" by their own people through disfellowshipping. (John 16:2; Rev 13:15) “They bend their tongues like their bows; Lies and not truth prevail in the land; For they proceed from evil to evil, And they do not know Me,” declares the Lord. 4 “Let everyone be on guard against his neighbor, And do not trust any brother; Because every brother utterly betrays, And every neighbor goes about as a slanderer. 5 Everyone deceives his neighbor And does not speak the truth. They have taught their tongue to speak lies; They weary themselves committing wrongdoing. 6 Your dwelling is in the midst of deceit; Through deceit they refuse to know Me,” declares the Lord. Jer 9:3-6 "So, let us go out to Him outside the camp, bearing His reproach. For here we do not have a lasting city, but we are seeking the city which is to come." Heb 13:13,14

You've just described spiritual drunkenness that the Bible addresses when God's people under covenant teach false doctrines and the commands of men. Isa 29:9-14; 28:7-9,15; Jer 13:12-16; Prov 29:12; Matt 24:48-51; Hab 2:15-16; Rev 17:1-2; 18:2-3,9-10 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isa+29%3A9-14%3B+28%3A7-9%2C15%3B+Jer+13%3A12-16%3B+Prov+29%3A12%3B+Matt+24%3A48-51%3B+Hab+2%3A15-16%3B+Rev+17%3A1-2%3B+18%3A2-3%2C9-10&version=NASB Then the Lord said, “Because this people approaches Me with their words And honors Me with their lips, But their heart is far away from Me, And their reverence for Me consists of the commandment of men that is taught; Therefore behold, I will once again deal marvelously with this people, wondrously marvelous; And the wisdom of their wise men will perish, And the understanding of their men who have understanding will be concealed.” Isa 29:13-14 It is from pure spiritual drunkenness, pervasive in the organization, that JWs remain incognizant to the severity before God, of Wt's record of falsehoods and the doctrine of men, laced throughout their teachings. In fact their reaction is flippant, having no respect for what is truth and what is a lie, according to the Father and the Son. Is the GB truly the "faithful slave" serving food at the proper time? "Words from the mouth of a wise person are gracious, while the lips of a fool consume him; 13 the beginning of his talking is foolishness, and the end of it is evil insanity. 14 Yet the fool multiplies words. No person knows what will happen, and who can tell him what will come after him? 15 The labor of a fool makes him so weary that he does not even know how to go to a city. 16 Woe to you, land whose king is a boy, and whose princes feast in the morning. 17 Blessed are you, land whose king is of nobility, (Jesus Christ) and whose princes eat at the appropriate time—for strength and not for drunkenness. " Eccl 10:12-17

Of course the foundation is Christ, but that belief system will never establish itself within the organization. “Like those in Christendom, the early Bible Students mistakenly allowed their love for Jesus to overshadow their relationship with Jehovah. Beginning in 1919, however, they came to see that Jehovah and their relationship with him should be the focus of their worship. We can be thankful that we understand that our affection for Jesus is key to having a relationship with Jehovah. We must attach neither too much nor too little importance to our love for Jesus.—John 16:27. W 4/2022 study article #17 This sounds to me that Wt’s “foundation in Christ” is on shaky ground. It must be that way, because the teachings of men will always take precedence. The definition of love for Christ in the paragraph, is a teaching of men, and not of God. Love for either the Father or the Son cannot be gauged by the Wt. (Matt 15:9) But the leadership will continue to manage another's faith; and in that way, their organization will never allow a foundation in Christ to develop within one's heart. “The one who has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. And the one who loves me will be loved by my Father. I also will love him and will reveal myself to him.” John 14:21 Did the apostles feel the need to constrain themselves when expressing their love for Jesus? “For the love of Christ controls us, having concluded this, that one died for all, therefore all died; 15 and He died for all, so that those who live would no longer live for themselves, but for Him who died and rose on their behalf.” 2 Cor 5:14,15 Since your leaders deem it necessary to reach out and control one’s love for Jesus Christ, who is it that has no love for him? Who loves their organization more than Jesus Christ?