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  1. I’ve been here 5-6 years and left several links to articles explaining why the Wt exists, and where truth can be found, and what to expect for spiritual food in the last days. I can’t give you an address, I can give you a website. I have left links to spiritual food offered by one chosen by God, to reveal the end time message to His people. (Mal 3:1-4; Matt 17:11; Rev 11:1-3) I haven’t kept it a secret, but I’m not sure what you want, another organization? This isn’t God’s plan. (John 4:24) I am part of a small congregation that understands what is about to happen to the GB and then to the organization. (Rev 19:20) They know that the “man of lawlessness” evident in the organization as the elder body, will be destroyed by God’s word in Jesus Christ ,at his coming. (2 Thess 2:7,8) They know that truth is being restored. We are close to all of these things being fulfilled. This is the time not only of the great tribulation, but of the “marriage feast”, and all are invited. Think about it. The Wt. admits that Revelation's scrolls won't be opened until...after Armageddon? And they tell JWs that these scrolls hold information that will be used in the Kingdom? No. These scrolls EXPLAIN Revelation. (Dan 8:26) They explain what Armageddon is about. Since these men have no insight, who told them that the scrolls haven't been opened by Christ yet? And what about the "marriage feast of the Lamb"? When is that to occur? Do they know? They know nothing, but pretend they do. And we know how far that has gotten them. There are inspired anointed ones today, who are given understanding of what to expect in the last days. You are wise to see the hypocrisy and can detect the lies. I just think your faith is somewhat lacking. I think we all struggle with that at times. We let our own desires rule our spiritual decisions, instead of letting God and Christ lead us where we should go. I haven’t held back the invitation to understanding, but always offer it to anyone interested who is leaving the Wt. (Matt 22:8,9) The “marriage feast” is the opening of Revelation’s scrolls. (Rev 1:1,2; 5:9,10) It is insight into God's Word. It tells us how the message of all of the prophets comes together at the time of the end. (Rev 22:6) I still encourage you to have faith and approach God. Ask Him if I am wrong. If you truly want to know where to find truth, ask Him.
  2. Not really. Opposers have learned something, they have realized facts about their life in the organization. They have realized that they have been told a lie. They are rather sober now, when before they couldn’t discern a lie from a truth if their life depended on it – and it does. (2 Thess 2:9-12) That is drunkenness and JWs suffer from it. (Isa 5:18-23) Opposers speak up, because they now know the other side of Wt’s truth. The Lie. They may not all understand the full story of why the organization exists, but after being convinced they had “the truth”, only to find out that truth and the darkness of false doctrine cannot harmonize, they are compelled to expose what they know. (2 Cor 6:14) Many don’t use the right methods to do so, but neither do JWs employ the right methods to squash the opposers, as we see with @BroRando , A. Morris, D. Splane, G. Losch, S. Lett, M. Sanderson, G. Jackson, S. Herd, and K. Cook.
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  3. Your first approach is to ask God, in sincerity. Mal 3:10 You need more scriptures. Matt 7:7,8; John 8:31,32, and consider reading uninhibited, the Greek scriptures. God doesn't disappoint if our hearts are truly searching for truth.
  4. He already offered you something better. Jesus Christ. I don't think it's clear to him, otherwise he would consider that Jesus Christ is the way, the truth and the life and the only WAY to the Father. John 14:6
  5. I wish JWs could see the blasphemy of calling an earthly organization, “God’s organization.”, or “Jehovah’s organization”. This is a corrupt world, and the organization has conformed to its corruption. HOW CAN IT NOT? It can’t be ignored. Why would a blameless God delight in hearing His people call something corrupt, as belonging to Him? He doesn’t lower His standards. Only people do. “Do not be conformed to this age, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you may discern what is the good, pleasing, and perfect will of God.” Rom 12:2 That right there, is the problem. JWs have a hard time discerning what is good and pleasing to God. There have been countless lies and false promises told by the its leadership, from the very beginning of the organization's development; and it continues - in the magazines, from the podium, in the videos, in the court systems, and in the judicial committees. All appears acceptable, and all, comes from "Jehovah's organization". This is blasphemy. "God is not a man, that He might lie, or a son of man, that He might change his mind. Does He speak and not act, or promise and not fulfill?" Num 23:19 He doesn't lie. So why does His "organization" lie? Do JWs really believe that saying their organization belongs to God, is giving Him praise and glory?
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  6. Look, as I have said before numerous times, you have a different view entirely than I do. If you feel that I am in the wrong and you are in the right, so be it. You will continue promoting your belief and I will continue concentrating on my belief. I will continue to concentrate on getting the word out to “my people”, to leave the Wt. (Rev 18:4-8) And, I don’t take back any of my words you posted here. But, there is one thing you stated. Firstly, you said, “No one in their right mind would attest to the idea Satan somehow saved God's people in the Hebrew Old Testament. That in of itself, is blasphemy.” And then you brought up an old comment of yours which for some reason has just suddenly disappeared! “1 Corinthians 10:7-10, this passage is about Apostle Paul’s focus on those of Israel who succumb to murmuring and putting God to the test, and the "Destroyer" here is regarding God’s messenger sent to destroy – that is, if you take into account the context of the references.” You are saying that God has his own personal messenger that destroys. Is this a righteous angel? So, the God of life keeps at his side an angel specifically to destroy? 1 Cor 10:6-10 - 6 Now these things occurred as examples to keep us from setting our hearts on evil things as they did. 7 Do not be idolaters, as some of them were; as it is written: “The people sat down to eat and drink and got up to indulge in revelry.”[a] 8 We should not commit sexual immorality, as some of them did—and in one day twenty-three thousand of them died. 9 We should not test Christ,[b] as some of them did—and were killed by snakes. 10 And do not grumble, as some of them did—and were killed by the destroying angel. The destroying angel – “ Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.” “destroyer” - ὀλοθρευτής olothreutḗs, ol-oth-ryoo-tace'; from G3645; a ruiner, i.e. (specially), a venomous serpent:—destroyer. Ruiner venomous serpent Who is the serpent in the Bible? You know. Your statement that in this scripture, God has His own personal destroying messenger is the very thing that you blamed me for - “No one in their right mind would attest to the idea Satan somehow saved God's people in the Hebrew Old Testament. That in of itself, is blasphemy.” When God removes his protection, the god of this world steps in...to destroy. 1 John 5:19
  7. Did someone say it is a personal choice to get the vaccine? Not really; that is, if one wants to retain "privileges". Can't open the file here. This was a letter to "All Special Full-Time Servants at Bethel and in the Field" dated 8/6/2021 After stating that the getting the vaccine is a personal choice, it ends by saying, "In view of the above, we have asked the Health Care Department (HCD) to contact you to learn your current vaccination status. If for some medical reason you are unable to be vaccinated, please inform the HCD accordingly. They may be able to provide assistance".
  8. "JEHOVAH GOD is the Grand Identifier of his true messengers. He identifies them by making the messages he delivers through them come true. Jehovah is also the Great Exposer of false messengers. How does he expose them? He frustrates their signs and predictions. In this way he shows that they are self-appointed prognosticators, whose messages really spring from their own false reasoning—yes, their foolish, fleshly thinking!"w97 5/1 p. 8 I found this wt. quote after answering a JW on reddit with this comment. For any JW passing through here... Do you remember the cover of the 5/15/1984 Awake magazine? If not, you can look up its image on Google. Do you think that God knew that this was a lie before time showed that your leaders failed in their prediction? The world calls people that do this, false "prognosticators”. I think even your writers have used this term in references to false prophets. Yes, God was aware it would fail. In light of all the dates set by your organization for Armageddon, did God know each one would fail? Yes, of course. Did He say, “well even though these leaders have misled thousands with their promises that didn’t hold true, and even though they took their message of error to people’s homes world-wide, misleading them with a teaching that will certainly prove to be false, I will bless them with abundance of spiritual food!” Really? Show me where in the scriptures God approves of falsehoods – false teachings. These are only the blatant untruths, made by your leadership. The list is very long. God is looking for people to come out of your organization where darkness and rotten fruit is found. (Matt 7:15-20; John 3:19,20) He wouldn't demand that people remain where He knew Christ's teachings were abandoned for men's doctrine. You've got it all wrong, sir. “I will use my power against the prophets who see false visions and predict things that don’t come true. They will not help my people make decisions or be recorded in the records of the nation of Israel. They won’t even enter Israel. Then you will know that I am the Lord.” Ezek 13:9 (GW) Then the Lord told me, “These are the lies that the prophets are telling in my name: They claim that I sent them, commanded them, and spoke to them. They dreamed up the visions they tell you. Their predictions are worthless. They are the products of their own imagination.” Jer 14:14 This is what the Lord of Armies says: “Don’t listen to what the prophets are saying to you. They fill you with false hope. (like the people had, on the cover of the Awake) They speak about visions that they dreamed up. These visions are not from the Lord.” Jer 23:16 “A time will come when people will not listen to accurate teachings. Instead, they will follow their own desires and surround themselves with teachers who tell them what they want to hear. People will refuse to listen to the truth and turn to myths.” 1 Tim 4:3,4 So tell me, where is it said that God has turned a blind eye to false, failed teachings by your GB, and expects you to do the same? (Rev 18:4-8) How to Identify True Prophets
  9. Of course no one in their right mind would say that. This statement shows what a liar you are. I never would say such a thing. You can't be trusted, SM.
  10. I don't know if he is a fake. Most likely he was exuberant to hear A. Morris' talk about despicable apostates, and gladly watch the burning match get snuffed out. It's not too late for you to repent of your false prophesy. Really, I wish you could just see how foolish you are by setting another date, that could very likely bring about your ruin. (Luke 12:40; Matt 24:42-44; Acts 1:6,7; Jer 23:16)
  11. Did I say that God allow Satan to HELP him? No. God doesn't need anyone's help, but He allows Satan to step in when His laws are rejected after He has warned His people of what could befall them. 2 Thess 2: “The coming of the lawless one is apparent in the working of Satan, who uses all power, signs, lying wonders, 10 and every kind of wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.” 9,10 2 Thess 2: For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion, leading them to believe what is false, 12 so that all who have not believed the truth but took pleasure in unrighteousness will be condemned.” The presence of the “man of lawlessness” is apparent in the working of Satan. Those under Satan’s deluding influence of this “man”, are perishing – dying – will reach death. And in this case it is his plan for them to die. (Rev 20:7-10) God “sends” - He allows this delusion – the working of Satan, because they refuse to love the truth. If the warning God provides to those under this delusion is rejected, then Satan will bring death upon them – because he is the Angel of Death that God “sends”. (Rev 18:4-8) Satan destroys, death is destruction of life. "You are of your father the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he tells a lie, he speaks from his own nature, because he is a liar and the father of lies.” John 8:44 Satan is a murderer. He is the Angel of Death. It’s pretty simple. You cannot understand the spiritual fulfillment in the last days. To you, it is all physical. The anointed priesthood is the spiritual Body of Christ/church. (1 Cor 12; 1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22; Rev 21:1-4;22:17) This is God's order, His structure. You believe in organized religion. I don’t, not according to the way of man. (John 4:21-24) I believe that through God’s “organized” anointed priesthood, the law of God’s truth in Christ and His Bride (male or female), will be present on the earth in the Kingdom. (Mal 2:7; Rev 5:9,10) We've been through this before. I'm finished!
  12. This post is an extension of another comment just recently made here. “I will give you insight and instruct you in the way you should go” Ps 32:8a (NWT) This scripture was used by G. Losch, when speaking to JWs about having trust in the “faithful and discreet slave”. (Matt 24:45) His talk began with these words: “1 Cor 13:7 says, that love ‘believes all things’. Trusting others is an expression of love. If you love somebody you only assume and think the best of him.” With that, he laid the groundwork to convince JWs that their love for the governing leadership, should motivate belief and trust in what they teach. (Prov 5:1-4; 21:6; 2 Tim 4:3,4) He pointed out that the leaders have complete trust in God who is guiding them with the Holy Spirit; and in return, God and Jesus trust them to provide “precious” spiritual food. (Prov 23:1-3; John 8:44) He stated that JWs can take confidence in the insight given to these men, and their understanding and guidance using God’s word. (Prov 28:26; Matt 7:15-20; 1 Cor 13:4) The point was made clear that these men will be “taken to heaven” before the organization’s version of Armageddon breaks out; and with confidence, Jesus will then entrust all his belongings to them. (Psalm 12:3;Isa 44:20; Matt 25:24-30) This talk was presented in 2015. In 2020, D. Splane carefully crafted a speech that absolved them from a long-held false teaching about the identity of the locusts in the book of Joel. (Joel 1:4) Their past “understanding” (falsehood) was that God’s anointed were the locust army, causing devastation through their preaching work. They were responsible for destruction on the “land,” which was said to signify the people under the rule of religious leaders. However, Joel 1:6,13 specifically points out that it is God’s “land” that is under attack – His people under covenant, who have transgressed his laws. (Ezek 38:16; Joel 2:3; Rev 9:3,4; Rev 13:5-7; 20:7-9) Apparently, they deduced that this past teaching was not so insightful or precious anymore. (Prov 26:12) The leaders had decided it was time to consider the prophesy “in its context”. (Prov 21:8) These men personally project their image as “faithful and discreet” (discreet meaning “wise, trusted, sensible”), and state they are approved by God before Jesus Christ returns. (Matt 24:46,47; 25:21) (Ps 94:4; Isa 2:17,18; Matt 24:48-51) They say that this “faithful and discreet slave” has been gifted with insight from God, since 1919. (Prov 25:14; Jer 29:8,9; 7:8) Well, their historical record of consistent failed teachings does not look so insightful; and certainly not precious, since they purge their publications on a regular basis. (Eccl 12:12-14; Luke 16:2) It wasn’t God who was guiding and instructing them ‘in the way they should go’, when writing these now discarded books. It was their own boastful and fleshly motives that inspired their false teachings. (Rom 1:30-32; 2 Tim 3:1-5) Jesus said that those who remain attached to him, to the “vine”, would produce teachings or “fruit” that would last. (John 15:4-6) I think many will agree that it would have been a wise and sensible move, to have read the entire book of Joel "in its context", before assuming that this army was God's holy people, and proceed to teach it wrongly…for years. (Prov 28:11) The locust-scorpions in Revelation are also wrongly taught as God’s anointed ones. Will this teaching change in time? It’s hard to say. They’ve made a comparison, yet a flimsy one, to Joel’s locusts, saying that these plagues are “similar but different”. You can see their chart here:
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    Who then, comprise the army of locusts both in Joel and in Rev chapter 9 in our day? Why do they come upon God’s people in the last days? Well, consider the scenario just described. False teachers have captivated them with false promises and corrupt doctrine. (Mark 13:22; Acts 20:29,30; Titus 1:16) This was prophesied to occur in the last days – a powerful delusion used by Satan to “sift” the remnant of the holy ones, “as wheat”. (Jer 5:31; Matt 24:24,25; Luke 22:31; Luke 21:24; Rev 2:10;; 2 Thess 2:9-12; 1 Tim 4:1; Col 2:8; Rev 13:10,7; Mal 3:18; Matt 25:33; Rev 12:7 ) He has ‘employed’ those who accept his gifts of power, authority and riches over the “kingdoms of the inhabited earth” to do his will; that is, to destroy the anointed under the “woman” new covenant, using deceit. (Luke 4:5-8; Rev 16:13,14; 12:1,4,17) (In Luke 4:5 , the meaning of “world”, is the "inhabited earth" - God’s land – Ps 132:7; Acts 7:49; 1 Cor 3:9,16; John 14:23) To do this, he formulated a lie that led them into idolatry to men and their organization; willingly trusting and believing the false prophet/”harlot’s” teachings. (2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 13:3,4,11,12) As God said, when His people fall into sin, He withdraws His protection. It is always only a remnant that turns back to Him, seeking forgiveness and protection from the enemy. (Lev 26:1,3,4,9,14,17;40-42;Joel 2:12,13,17,18; Dan 12:1; Rom 9:27,28) The anointed “Jews” are under the rule of a “Gentile” army. (Ezek 44:6-9; Rev 11:1,2) “Army” is the descriptive term used by the organization itself, in reference to the expansive world-wide elder body. This army has been given power to judge and spiritually “kill” any who transgress their decrees. (John 16:2; Rev 13:15) It has effectively trampled down a spiritual nation into silence. (Zeph 3:3,4; Ezek 38:14,15;Joel 2:4,5;Rev 9:7; Dan 11:15,31,36; Matt 24:15,16; 2 Thess 2:3,4) Now we can see why such great tribulation comes upon God's people (who are not yet sealed). They face an alliance (Dan.2:40-43) that is stronger than any foe they have ever faced in all history (Rev 12:17; 13:1,4,11,14,15; 11:7; 6:9,11) (Rev 16:13-16; 19:19-20). Jesus said that if our time of unsealed captivity and trampling under them (Col 2:8; 2 Cor 11:20; Rev 2:20; Micah 3:5; Rev 13:10,7; 11:2; 9:4,10) were not cut short, none would be saved (Matt 24:22; 7:13,14; Luke 13:23,24; 18:26,27). “The Greatest Tribulation – What and Why?” -
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    The opening scripture in Psalm 32:8 continues by saying, “I will give you advice with my eye upon you”. God sends his prophets to warn His people of the devastating outcome when they have fallen into sin and idolatry. (Zeph 3:7,8; Amos 3:7) He has always advised them to leave the teachings of false prophets/spiritual harlots, and to turn to Him in repentance. Today, is no different. (Hos 8:1; Mal 3:1-4; 4:5,6; Matt 17:11; Rev 11:1-3; 22:6). “Armageddon, is it everything you thought it would be?” -
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  13. Of COURSE the Wt. will not attest to Pearl's teachings, because she is exposing their false doctrine. WHO called her out? You? Do you think you are the first one to come against her teachings? I'm not surprised when people like Robert King is waiting at the exit door to lead them down another rabbit hole. You do realize that Satan will use his own "chosen" ones to mislead the anointed remnant; whether inside the organization or by the likes of men like Robert King. And also, not everyone leaving thirsts to find truth. Please, show me proof of what you are saying. She teaches the anointed Body of Christ as the "church". I have not heard anything about the judges of Israel as having had a "church". Now, if you are meaning the anointed priesthood of spiritual Israel, they ARE judges. 1 Cor 6:2 He is the Destroyer, who do you think did the destroying? Ps 78:43-49 - When He worked His signs in Egypt, And His wonders in the field of Zoan; 44 Turned their rivers into blood, And their streams, that they could not drink. 45 He sent swarms of flies among them, which devoured them, And frogs, which destroyed them. 46 He also gave their crops to the caterpillar, And their labor to the locust. 47 He destroyed their vines with hail, And their sycamore trees with frost. 48 He also gave up their cattle to the hail, And their flocks to fiery lightning. 49 He cast on them the fierceness of His anger, Wrath, indignation, and trouble, By sending angels of destruction among them. "Angels of destruction" - "evil angels/messengers"....belonging to whom? Satan, the Destroyer (Strongs H7451, H4397) Satan is the Betrayer and the Destroyer. Isa 33:1; John 10:10 God has sent a lying spirit into the mouths of a false prophets. (1 Kings 22:19-23) He allowed Satan to cause affliction on Job. God doesn't follow the rules of men - not even your rules, SM. Yet never would He do these things unless He had just cause.
  14. Oh, the depth of the richesand the wisdom and the knowledge of God!How unsearchable his judgmentsand untraceable his ways! Rom 11:33 Many are the plans in the mind of a man, but it is the purpose of the Lord that will stand. Prov 19:21
  15. D. Splane did say that this is war. Only one side of this war is blessed with Holy Spirit; that is, the side that defends only God’s word – Jesus’ teachings, and God’s sovereignty. The other side must defend their actions in court, their failed teachings, doctrine of men, their hidden child abuse/spousal abuse, their organization. How do they defend their “side”? By telling those associated with them who may have doubts… #1 - Be like the Bereans (Acts 17:10,11), which means go to a meeting, get to know the brothers, visit Bethel. Did you notice he never mentioned that the questioning one should research a teaching topic on the website? (such as "this generation" teaching) That would send him into confusion! #2 - Don’t be like Bereans, which means don’t read anything that an “apostate” has to tell you, “to see if this is so”. Don't believe anything they tell you. There is too much power over others, a cushy life, admiration from followers, earthly motives to expand their empire…all is just too much to lose on the side of the GB. I have nothing to lose in this war. 🙂 Mark 8:34-38 “
  16. Your early spiritual fathers must have tolerated them, at least for awhile. Were those individuals not worth their salt? The Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures, was produced by the WT. The 1985 version is on the JW website, and in there are the spurious scriptures. How dare the GB (who are not worth their salt perhaps?) allow it, right?
  17. You live in a spiritual haven where love can be turned off at the drop of an announcement - "disfellowshipped!" So I understand why you are so adamant that these scriptures are "spurious", never to have been added to God's word at any time over history. And, it can't be dismissed that its presence in your Bible would be a challenge to overcome, if a JW brought them up in a judicial meeting. Because it isn't in there, it makes life for your judges so much easier to follow their rules, instead of the law of love in Jesus Christ.
  18. GB Gerrit Loesch: “Today the faithful slave was put in charge of providing spiritual food for God’s people who number into the millions. The slave also shows complete trust in Jehovah that he will guide them with his holy spirit. What makes it possible for the faithful and discreet slave to provide precious spiritual food? “I will give you insight and instruct you in the way you should go" says Jehovah. Ps 32:8 Today Jehovah provides direction to the slave through Jesus. Jesus in turns provides direction for his people through the faithful and discreet slave. We can have therefore, full confidence in the scriptural insight, understanding and guidance. Since 1919 of our common era the slave has been put in charge of some belongings of Christ. According to Matt 24:47, when the anointed are taken to heaven, Jesus will at that point entrust all his belongings to them. Does this not reveal immense trust? So whom do you trust? You fully trust in Jehovah, Jesus and the faithful slave.” 2015 “For many years, we have applied that prophecy symbolically to the way in which Jehovah’s people, like an unstoppable swarm of locusts, engage in their preaching activity. We understood that this activity has devastating effects on the “land,” or the people who are under the control of the religious leaders. However, when we consider the prophecy in its context, we see that a different understanding is appropriate.” April 2020 study edition How long will JWs continue to "fully trust" men who presumptuously and arrogantly call themselves "faithful and discreet" before Jesus makes that judgment upon his return? (Matt 25:21) Other translations for "discreet" use, "wise, trusted, sensible", none of which can apply to the GB. It would have been a wise and sensible move to have read the entire book of Joel "in its context" before assuming that this army was God's holy people. But, “Let the one who boasts boast in the Lord.” For it is not the one who commends himself who is approved, but the one whom the Lord commends. (2 Cor 10:17,18)
  19. @Patiently waiting for Truth said in a recent closed topic about the identity of the locust in Joel - "The Watchtower / JW Org / GB, here admitted that what they had been teaching was FALSE." Yes! For years! Noting this error has astounded people of other religions in the world. But, JWs believe they have the "truth", that they live and teach the "truth" ...that their preaching work is "truth"...and that the GB are guiding this organization...in truth. Is this truth based on just a few core teachings? Apparently so. As Jesus said about the Pharisees, "Blind guides, who strain out a gnat and swallow a camel!" Matt 23:24
  20. Do all "Trinitarians" think alike? Do all "Anti-Trinitarians" think alike? Obviously not. This is one "Anti-Trinitarian" that believes John 7:53-8:11 is a true account, and the account has nothing to do with the trinity. I so appreciated how you described the qualities of Jesus Christ, but even though we are both “Anti-Trinitarians”, I don’t believe in all that you believe. You have to accept that. In fact, I think you tend to focus on the worldly and not on the spiritual. You apply earthly concepts to the meaning of prophecy as JWs do, which comes through the eyes of a “natural man”. (1 Cor 2:14) I very much appreciated how the link I provided was laid out clearly for me, even though the writer may be a “Trinitarian”. So, what am I to do, shun all Trinitarians even though there may be some truth to their words in other topics? If I am to shun all Catholics, I should be shunning my brother and his family and all of his friends. Yet, my Catholic sister-in-law has worked in the soup kitchen for many years, providing for the homeless. I am not in charge of reading her heart, or the hearts of my family. They accepted me for my “anti-trinitarian” + Watchtower beliefs…for years. My sons are now agnostic. Should I shun them because they fit in some category? Their judgment is in the hands of God, as is mine. I am not in charge of reading the hearts of all "Trinitarians"; are you? I am an “Anti-Trinitarian” as you say, as are the people I have come from. I don’t shun them for not believing in their organization, but they shun me for my actions/words against it. Can you see how lumping people into a specific group of "trinitarian" and "anti-trinitarian", is going a little overboard? It is just another form of bias. This is the time of confusion, which will eventually be cleared up for all righteous-hearted people, who will come to the knowledge of truth. Isa 2
  21. I really don't know why you expect people to jump at your command. I gave you a link to a comprehensive article. I have given my opinion on the scriptures. You have given yours. If that is not good enough, nothing will be good enough for you - a man who demands obedience to his rules. Sheesh, SM, this is a forum of opinions, thoughts and feelings, and facts. Whatever you contribute, I'm fine with it, but don't expect me to follow your lead!
  22. It appears you removed part of your comment... never mind. I found it in another comment - "There is plenty of reason to not believe it. Though Jesus forgives sin frequently in scripture, there is always some evidence of repentance on the sinning one’s part. There is some basis for forgiveness. Here there is not." Well, it is true that the Wt. cannot tolerate these "spurious" scriptures because they would diminish the power of disfellowshipping. Jesus knew the heart of each person that he met. He could read the heart of the woman "who led a sinful life" in Luke 7:36-50, and he forgave her. (Matt 12:25; Luke 6:8; John 2:25) It is impossible for your leaders to accept the passage of "mercy" in John 7-8 as @Pudgy called it, because there was no visible evidence of remorse over the woman's sins. Elders, as you well know, cannot read a person's heart. So they judge in error, many times destroying the lives of the person they have judged. Jesus could never judge a person's heart in error. Not only have JWs checked the hand of God in HIs ability to bring this passage to light, but also is the hand of Jesus Christ. JWs find it impossible for Jesus to forgive the woman so easily in the account. "Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law." Rom 13:10 "For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'” Gal 5:14 "If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, 'Love your neighbor as yourself,' you are doing right." James 2:8 This "law" was set up by God of the "Old Testament". Yet, the Wt "law" that is set up through the hands of "Jehovah's organization", does not react with love. It reacts through the power of men over others. It reacts through selfish desires. "The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation." Col 1:15 This means that even the God of the "Old Testament" would have forgiven and saved the woman from death, at the hands of the lying Pharisees.
  23. That is a good statement for JWs to ruminate on...considering all the failed dates for Armageddon, "this generation" teaching, many other doctrinal failures; and the concept of an earthly organization as the way to salvation.
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