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  1. "Be on guard for yourselves and for all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has appointed you as overseers, to shepherd the church of God, which he purchased with his own blood”. Acts 20:28 All the positions of “overseers”, “bishops”, “elders”, "shepherd's" were filled by the anointed priests. Otherwise, “Gentiles” would be standing in the holy place, standing in a rulership position where they don't belong – the Temple of God – teaching the anointed, ruling over them, and judging them; (Mark 13:14) when these various roles were appointed by God, solely to the priests. Otherwise, this would be the act of lawlessness against the arrangement of the spiritual Temple. (2Thess 2:2,3) They are all shepherds, told to feed the sheep in the capacity appointed them through the anointing, and as individual members of the anointed Body. This is the role of a priest. (Mal 2:7; Matt 28:20; 1 Pet 2:5,9; John 21:17) Who cares? It’s pretty clear that you don’t care. But God does. Only anointed compromise the body of Christ - the Temple of God. (John 2:19-21; 1 Cor 3:16) He appoints “different ministries”, “different activities” within this anointed Body. The 'house" is built by Him. "Built on the foundation of the apostles and Prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the cornerstone. In him the whole building, being put together, And him you are also being built together for God's dwelling in Spirit.". Eph 2:20-22 Why the diverse positions among the priests? Because God wants all to benefit fully from the Truth in Jesus Christ. These gifts are given to a symbolic number of anointed, to not only prepare each other for the coming Kingdom, but to prepare all believers to be ready for the return of Christ. 1 Cor chapter 12. Romans chapter 11; Ephesians chapter 4; chapter 2 It is men who decide that God’s way is not the best way. They have taken God’s assigned anointed positions and reassigned them to those not anointed - to “Gentiles”. In the apostles’ day, this wasn’t allowed. The spiritual Temple that Jesus is Head of, was considered sacred. “For My thoughts are not your thoughts, Nor are your ways My ways,” says the Lord. 9 “For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways, And My thoughts than your thoughts.” Isa 55:8,9 The thing is, I don’t believe you are anointed of "Israel" at all. But since you show such courage to throw God’s spiritual Temple back in His face, mocking His arrangement of the anointed priesthood, mocking Jesus Christ who is Head of this Temple priesthood, I suggest you be prepared to meet your God. For any anointed and JW as well – elder or no elder, please, please “get out of her”, out of the organization, before it’s too late. Rev 18:4-8 “I overthrew some of you as I overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah, and you were like a burning stick snatched from a fire, yet you did not return to me— This is the Lord’s declaration. 12 Therefore, Israel, that is what I will do to you, and since I will do that to you, Israel, prepare to meet your God! 13 He is here: the one who forms the mountains, creates the wind, and reveals his thoughts to man, the one who makes the dawn out of darkness and strides on the heights of the earth. The Lord, the God of Armies, is his name.” Amos 4:11-13
  2. It's okay, I'm pretty sure God will overlook it. 🙂
  3. Now Allen, do you really believe that a 20-25 year-old “elder” of the Wt. has been given the ability to spiritually anoint someone? Using the term, “elder” referred to anointed ones, not to the definition laid out by the Wt., to enable them to replace the priesthood. That would be “Gentiles” invading the spiritual Temple, then and today. It is a sign of “trampling”. Rev 11:1,2 Was Jesus anointed twice, once by God and once by a woman? Luke 7 - “And a woman in the town who was a sinner found out that Jesus was reclining at the table in the Pharisee’s house. She brought an alabaster jar of perfume 38 and stood behind him at his feet, weeping, and began to wash his feet with her tears. She wiped his feet with her hair, kissing them and anointing them with the perfume. You didn’t anoint my head with olive oil, but she has anointed my feet with perfume. 47 Therefore I tell you, her many sins have been forgiven; that’s why she loved much. But the one who is forgiven little, loves little.” 48 Then he said to her, “Your sins are forgiven.” Anointing with literal olive oil was a Jewish practice, and it is still practice by various cultures today. Mark 6:13 - “They drove out many demons and anointed many sick people with oil and healed them.” James 5:14 - “Is anyone among you sick? Let them call the elders of the church to pray over them and anoint them with oil in the name of the Lord.” Only God spiritually anoints with Holy Spirit, which imparts knowledge, if one remains in Christ. 1 John 2:27 “But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and all of you know the truth.” 1 John 2:20
  4. I just can't let you get by with this lie. You continually spout off your “facts” without having scriptural backing. The scriptures signify from the beginning, when God chose his anointed priests, that they were ACTIVE. I suggest you search the scriptures, before you make such bold statements! The anointing of a priest is an appointment, an assignment to teach others God’s decrees. Mat 2:7 –“For the lips of a priest should guard knowledge, and people should desire instruction from his mouth, because he is the messenger of the Lord of Armies.” Jesus uses the term, “fruit” to describe knowledge coming from him - from God, and how we can discern good fruit from bad fruit. Matt 7:15-20 He states in John 15:16 – “You didn’t choose me, but I chose you and appointed you, that you should go and bear fruit, and that your fruit should remain; that whatever you will ask of the Father in my name, he may give it to you. This “fruit” is the knowledge that a priest is to provide to all, who come to believe in him. Bearing fruit is sharing the teachings of Christ, the Word of God. It indicates that these appointed priests were ACTIVE in the first century. The offering of “good fruit” is a “sacrifice of praise” before God. “Therefore, through him let us continually offer up to God a sacrifice of praise, that is, the fruit of lips that confess His name” Heb 13:15 The early priesthood offered sacrifices in the temple. The priesthood under Christ’s headship, offer “good fruit” that praises the God of Truth. John 15:8 “My Father is glorified by this: that you produce much fruit and prove to be my disciples.” John 15:8 Can you see how this priesthood must remain ACTIVE? Basically, they have been “hired” to do God’s will. Yet this appointment cannot be turned down. They are to support and teach the “laws” of Christ. Each anointed priest must fulfill this assigned duty, right down to today. Jesus only, has authority over those whom he chose to bear “good fruit”. No man, NO ELDER, has been given authority over the priests of God. No man, NO ELDER, can restrict them from carrying out their duty to “bear fruit”. Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, to the mountain which Jesus had appointed for them. 17 When they saw Him, they worshiped Him; but some doubted. 18 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen. Matt 28:18-20 As this states, the first priests were given an ACTIVE assignment - to be “messengers” of truth, to guard that truth, to help individuals by instructing them to obey the teachings of Christ. MAL. 2:7 They taught all whom God assigned through an anointing, to do the same, to carry out their duties as priests, chosen by God to instruct others about the teachings of Christ. We have this assignment written down for all anointed to learn from. Rom 15 - My brothers and sisters, I myself am convinced about you that you also are full of goodness, filled with all knowledge, and able to instruct one another. 15 Nevertheless, I have written to remind you more boldly on some points because of the grace given me by God to be a minister of Christ Jesus to the Gentiles, SERVING AS A PRIEST OF THE GOSPEL OF GOD. God’s purpose is that the Gentiles may be an acceptable offering, sanctified by the Holy Spirit. How big do I need to make those letters, so that you can dismiss the lie in your head that the anointed are not to serve as active priests? Yes, the elders DO act as priests in the organization. They baptize individuals, which was assigned to the royal priesthood by Christ. They teach “fruit” – bad fruit, fruit that rots – from once anointed priests who have fallen away from the vine of Christ. (John 15:1-8; Matt 24:24,25; 1 Tim 4:1; Rev 13:11,12) “ Every tree that doesn’t produce good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 So you’ll recognize them by their fruit.” Matt 7:19,20 The elders judge individuals based on doctrine/bad fruit and a little scripture, an ACTIVE assignment that was first given to the anointed ones. READ 1 Cor 6:1-6 We are held accountable before Christ when he returns, for everything we teach now. You have never verified if you have been anointed or not; but if you have, and you continue to teach the lies about God’s appointed priesthood that come from your mouth, what do you think Jesus will say upon his return? “Either make the tree good and its fruit good, or else make the tree bad and its fruit bad; for a tree is known by its fruit. 34 Brood of vipers! How can you, being evil, speak good things? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. 35 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth good things, and an evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth evil things. 36 But I say to you that for every idle word men may speak, they will give account of it in the day of judgment. 37 For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.” Matt 12:33-37 I.“idle” - meaning, “inactive, i.e. unemployed; lazy, shunning the labour which one ought to perform” The Watchtower knows the scriptures about God’s chosen priesthood, and that they are the “living stones” of God’s dwelling in Spirit, (1 Pet 2:5,9); but gradually the elder body gained full power over this priesthood as the years have gone by, snuffing out all possibility for God’s priests to remain “active”. This is the trampling down of truth, the wiping out of a spiritual nation. (Dan 8:9-12; Matt 24:15,16; 48-51; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2; 2:1-4; 13:1,2,5-7; 12:1-4; 16:13-16; 20:7-9) Who would be behind this, but Satan himself. Are you behind it as well? Should these priests today hide their “lamp under a basket”? Luke 8:16. Should this nation of “Israel”, this kingdom of priests, reject the “covenant of salt” that was established early on with God? (Num 18:19; 2 Chron 13:5) “You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt should lose its taste, how can it be made salty? It’s no longer good for anything but to be thrown out and trampled under people’s feet.” Matt 5:13 “From one of them a little horn emerged and grew extensively toward the south and the east and toward the beautiful land.[c](Israel) 10 It grew as high as the heavenly army, made some of the army and some of the stars fall to the earth, and trampled them. Dan 8:9-10 “RATHER THAN CHALLENGE THEIR AUTHORITY, WE TRULY APPRECIATE OUR HARDWORKING ELDERS!” 2002/8/1 wt “The beast was given a mouth to utter boasts and blasphemies. It was allowed to exercise authority[c][d](wage war, to rule) for forty-two months. 6 It began to speak blasphemies against God: to blaspheme his name and His dwelling—those who dwell in heaven. (1 Cor 3:16,17) 7 And it was permitted to wage war against the saints and to conquer them. It was also given authority over every tribe, people, language, and nation.” All JWs as well, from all nations, tribes, etc. are under the authority of the Beast/elder body/man of lawlessness – the organization, and it’s spirit-direct “image”. Rev 13:15,18 "Trample" - How does it happen?
  5. "Congregation arrangement” has another meaning than "ORGANIZATION" built with riches! The early congregation was built on the Body of Christ, taught in 1 Cor chapter 12; Romans chapter 12; Eph chapter 4, and chapter 2 Have you read these chapters yet? I hope you do. Jerusalem had become an apostate city for rejecting Jesus Christ. We have two “cities”, symbolically depicted in Revelation; one city is apostate, and where the “two witnesses” are killed/disfellowshipped for their testimony. These servants sent by Christ reveal the man of lawlessness treading on the “holy city”/Temple of God. (2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1-3,7) They are considered spiritually “dead”, but later found to come “alive” in spirit. (Rev 13:15; 11:7-13) This is an unwarranted shedding of spiritual blood. Can you see this? (Rev 6:9) Has the United Nations shed the blood of the saints and prophets? Or, is it God’s own people, leaders of “Israel”, who have delegated to “Gentile”/elders, the “killing” of their “brothers” in Christ? (Rev 16:6; 17:6;18:24) That apostate city is compared to Sodom, just as Jesus compared the early nation of Israel to Sodom. (Matt 10:14,15; Luke 17:28-30) This “city” is depicted in many scriptures in Revelation, revealing its sins and subsequent result of its sins – destruction, not restoration. Another city is mentioned, the heavenly city, “New Jerusalem” that comes down out of heaven. (Rev 21:1,2) Each anointed one of this “holy city”, who spiritually dies for their testimony in front of a judicial committee of elders, has disconnected from the apostate city. Not all, but some, continue to walk the path of Christ, rejected by their own people, just as Christ and the apostles were. (John 16:2,3; 15:20; Luke 11:49) Those faithful to Christ who have joined together under their Head, would never return to the apostate city, where the man of lawlessness holds power over God’s anointed ones. Rev 9:1-4; 13:5-7). They remain within the symbolic “holy city”. (Heb 12:22) Why do you excuse those not anointed who have false authority over the priests? (Ezek 44:6-9) Why can’t you see that this is an abomination according to the scriptures, a lack of distinction between the “holy and the common”? (Ezek 44:23) “Then the king will do whatever he wants. He will exalt and magnify himself above every god, and he will say outrageous things against the God of gods. He will be successful until the time of wrath is completed, because what has been decreed will be accomplished.” Dan 11:36 2 Thess 2:3,4 – “Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way. For that day will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness is revealed the man doomed to destruction. 4 He opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he sits in God’s temple, proclaiming that he himself is God.” 1 Cor 3:16,17 – “Don’t you yourselves know that you are God’s temple and that the Spirit of God lives in you? If anyone destroys God’s temple, God will destroy him; for God’s temple is holy, and that is what you are.” What are some of the “outrageous things” that the king/man of lawlessness says against God’s anointed? AGAIN: “Representing the royal priesthood are appointed elders, who serve in positions of responsibility in congregations of Jehovah’s people around the world.” If the elders represent the priesthood, they have “entered” the spiritual Temple of God, which is an abomination. "Have you not driven out the priests of the LORD, the sons of Aaron and the Levites, and made for yourselves priests like the peoples of other lands? Whoever comes to consecrate himself with a bull and seven rams, even he may become a priest of [things that are] not gods.” 2 Chron 13:9 “Rather than challenge their authority, we truly appreciate our hardworking elders!” 2002/8/1wt. If you are truly an anointed one, why do you take the side of "Gentile" and not your own brothers in Christ? What happens if an anointed one or anyone, challenges the assumed authority of the elders? They are “killed”, because these counterfeit priests also represent the “image” of the spirit-directed organization. They’re playing two cards at once – pretending that the organization is earthly “Zion”, but also representing their idol/organization built on earth with RICHES. (Phil 3:19) RICHES! Did the apostles have any desire to procure riches? Did they have a big building plan in motion, with the plan to decorate luxuriously? Tell me! Rev 13:15 – “It was permitted to give breath[l] (spirit) to the image of the beast, so that the image of the beast could both speak and cause whoever would not worship the image of the beast to be killed.” The “two witnesses” for Christ who preach that “Gentiles” are standing/ruling and trampling down the Temple are “killed”/disfellowshipped by this spirit-directed Beast. They are not symbolically killed by the United Nations for rejecting a “mark”, or the Catholic Church; but by their own people, just as Jesus was. Rev 11:1-3,7-13 God has ALWAYS destroyed any abomination that has happened within the nation of Israel. (Ezek chapter 8; Dan 9:27) God doesn’t change. While you encourage JWs to remain where the abomination is standing in the holy place – the elder body has trampled down “Israel” who are held captive by “empty philosophy”. (Col 2:8; Rev 13:10; 16:13-16;20:7-9) God is telling His people to “GET OUT OF HER” before destruction comes. (Rev 18:4) The words of the previous prophets are sounded again in the last days, at the last trumpet. (Rev 10:4-7) The Watchtower is a spiritual “apostate city” that we must FLEE from. It does not carry the name of God. Only hearts who are faithful and obedient to one God and His Son, will carry His name. (Rev 3:12) Only those who are “marked” by the word of God and not the doctrine of men, will carry His name. (Deut 6:4-9; Num 2:22-27) Ezekiel’s account applies to today’s “Israel”, another “city of blood”. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezek+22&version=CSB Ezekiel 21 - And the word of the Lord came to me, saying, 2 “Son of man, set your face toward Jerusalem, preach against the holy places, and prophesy against the land of Israel; 3 and say to the land of Israel, ‘Thus says the Lord: “Behold, I am against you, and I will draw My sword out of its sheath and cut off both righteous and wicked from you. 4 Because I will cut off both righteous and wicked from you, therefore My sword shall go out of its sheath against all flesh from south to north, 5 that all flesh may know that I, the Lord, have drawn My sword out of its sheath; it shall not return anymore.” ’ 6 Sigh therefore, son of man, with a breaking heart, and sigh with bitterness before their eyes. 7 And it shall be when they say to you, ‘Why are you sighing?’ that you shall answer, ‘Because of the news; when it comes, every heart will melt, all hands will be feeble, every spirit will faint, and all knees will be weak as water. Behold, it is coming and shall be brought to pass,’ says the Lord God.” I'm pretty much done. Believe what you will. Spiritual blindness is only curable if one turns humbly to the Father and the Son, begging for understanding of what comes upon His people in the last days. Michael stands up to rescue his holy people, from a power greater than they. (Dan 7:25,26;12:1) Jesus would not send someone who has no concern for God's Temple built upon his body, no concern that men not anointed rule over God's special possession, His dwelling in Spirit, but instead supports them. (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17) He would not send someone who believes that what men have built is more important than what God has built. (Acts 7:48-52; Eph 2:20-22)
  6. SM, some of what you say is very confusing. Pearl did not invite herself to have a show on Rick Fearon's channel, he invited her. But because he was not getting the stream of people coming in to hear her show, he told her it had to be canceled and it was replaced by another type of show. She has no relationship with the man, other than that brief time when he allowed her to speak. Rick Fearon was invited to Bethel once, as a candidate for the governing body. He refused. That's the story at least, and I don't know why he refused. I don't listen to his shows, I don't follow him. I would imagine lots of people may "coin" Pearl's teachings. Does that make them tight with Pearl? Her blog has reached thousands, so I'm very sure that people have their own opinion about what she writes, including Kosonen. Do you really take stock in what he says, a man who has made false predictions? I respect your continual caution, and some of your advice has been well appreciated, but sometimes you are just a little overbearing. 🙂
  7. Did Jesus tell his disciples to remain in Jerusalem? He told them that their “house is left to you desolate”; meaning God’s spirit no longer blessed them. (Matt 23:38) He warned his disciples to flee when they perceived the disgusting thing standing in the temple. (Matt 24:15-16) He compared Jerusalem to Sodom. What was Lot told to do before Sodom was destroyed? FLEE, AND NOT LOOK BACK. (Luke 17:26-32) We have another Sodom today, and it cannot apply to Christendom; but to God’s holy anointed under covenant. ( Rev 11:1-3,7,8) Because of this, the wrath to come against God’s anointed, is far greater than any wrath to come upon all other religions, since they are not under covenant with His Son. (Isa 1:21; Matt 23:37,35; Rev 17:6; 18:24; 13:15; 11:7; 6:9-11;19:2 ) While you teach lies about the man of lawlessness, it is in fact, the elder “Gentiles” ruling over the anointed of “Israel” - “living stones”, God’s Temple dwelling in Spirit. (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Luke 21:24; Rev 13:10,7) How many survived when Jerusalem was trampled by the Romans? How many, Audrey? NONE! Matt 8:35 - "For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life because of me and the gospel will save it. I’m sorry, but since you support the false authority of the counterfeit priesthood of elders, you are supporting the man of lawlessness, and still bearing the Beast’s mark on your “forehead”. (2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 13:1,5-8,14-18; 2 Thess 2:9-12) You clearly seem to reject all teachings by the apostles, of the body of Christ.
  8. She is at peace, relieved that she is no longer held captive to "empty philosophy". (Col 2:8; Rev 13:10). "...if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed" John 8:36 She doesn't plan on looking back longingly, and rejoining what men have built. Luke 17: 26-36 Marriage Feast
  9. ­­­­­­­­­­­­­It is speaking of waters being poisoned through false teachings, which cause death. You related the scripture to the organization, which is correct, but you are not seeing the total outcome of its effect. If someone realizes that scriptures are pointing to the GB as “Wormwood”, and by Rev 8:10,11 realize also, that people can DIE – not have eternal life in Christ because they are drinking in lies– we are told in Rev 18:4-8, they must “get out of her”. “Babylon the Great” is the woman/covenant - the promise of death. Take one consecutive changed teaching of the organization – the understanding of “this generation”. It has caused confusion, which is the meaning of “Babylon”. Isa 28:15-19- https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah+28%3A15-19&version=CSB “Wormwood”, a “bitter root” that leads God’s people astray, is under that covenant. The GB are spiritual harlots/false prophets, (Matt 24:24,25; Rev 13:11,12;16:13; 19:20), forsaking their covenant with Christ, WHO ONLY SPEAKS TRUTH. They have entered a different covenant, where lies have misled “even the elect”, as depicted in just a few of the pictures I’ve posted here. So, while you say God prefers to cleanse the organization of its lies and GB, Isaiah 28 says the opposite. It declares Zion and its “precious chief cornerstone”, and “the one who believes will be unshakeable”, while the haven of lies, the fortress/organization, will be swept away. So, if anyone has caught on to the deceit of the organization, they are to FLEE; not wait around to see if they lose the opportunity to receive eternal life! Can we swallow down lies, (cup of demons) and read the word of God declaring we BELIEVE what it says, and still feel we are found righteous in God’s sight? “ No, but I do say that what they sacrifice, they sacrifice to demons and not to God. I do not want you to be participants with demons!” 1 Cor 10:20 Rev 2:20-23 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+2%3A20-23&version=CSB How much praise/sacrifice is given to “Jehovah’s organization”? How much servitude is given to “Jehovah’s organization”, and submissiveness to the counterfeit priesthood/man of lawlessness that you claim we should be submissive to? (Matt 24:15,16; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2; 13:1,2,5-7) As it has been said by a JW from the Public Information Department, “Our foremost concern is protecting Jehovah’s organization”. THIS IS IDOLATRY. Shouldn’t this man’s foremost concern be protecting the word of God and exalting God and His Son alone? Instead, they have built a monstrosity that they now MUST protect. They are in panic mode to preserve all the investments, real estate and riches they have accumulated. “And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.’ This is the first commandment.” Mark 12:30,31 There is no deviation declared in this scripture for giving loyalty to, and dedicating oneself to, an earthly organization. Do you see this? YOU CANNOT SERVE GOD AND RICHES. Matt 6:24 Yet, Audrey, you are trying to do both, and teaching JWs to do the same. “Or ‘are we inciting Jehovah to jealousy’? We are not stronger than he is, are we?” 1 Cor 10:22 Since you have made a decision based on nothing, that God has His name on the organization, are you stronger than He? “To whom will you liken Me, and make Me equal And compare Me, that we should be alike? 6 They lavish gold out of the bag, And weigh silver on the scales; They hire a goldsmith, and he makes it a god; They prostrate themselves, yes, they worship. 7 They bear it on the shoulder, they carry it And set it in its place, and it stands; From its place it shall not move. Though one cries out to it, yet it cannot answer Nor save him out of his trouble. 8 “Remember this, and ]show yourselves men; Recall to mind, O you transgressors. 9 Remember the former things of old, For I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like Me, 10 Declaring the end from the beginning, And from ancient times things that are not yet done, Saying, ‘My counsel shall stand, And I will do all My pleasure,’ 11 Calling a bird of prey from the east, The man who executes My counsel, from a far country. Indeed I have spoken it; I will also bring it to pass. I have purposed it; I will also do it. 12 “Listen to Me, you stubborn-hearted, Who are far from righteousness: 13 I bring My righteousness near, it shall not be far off; My salvation shall not linger. And I will place salvation in Zion, For Israel My glory.” Isa 46:5-13 Did you notice where salvation lies? It isn’t with an organization. If I followed your teachings, would I be an idolator? Were the people who learned from the teachings of the apostles, idolators? How did the believers in their day, learn the truth of Christ if they didn’t pay attention to what the apostles had said, and “be like the Bereans”, testing what they heard? (Acts 17:11) How many versions of “truth” do you believe there should be within an active anointed body under Jesus Christ? Those who gather together under their Head, under one spirit, that of Christ, show love and concern for each member. Read 1 Corinthians chapter 12; Romans chapter 12. Do you not pay attention to the members of your physical body? It is the same when truth unites the anointed under Jesus Christ, and not under a human being. Each one has a “gift”, and that gift is appreciated and respected by all members. All members care for one another. The spirit of truth is fed from the vine of Christ, to all branches/members who remain in him. Truth is harmonious within. Idolatry does not enter this relationship when one focuses on Jesus Christ’s direction. (John 15:1-8; 1 John 2:27) But you are a loner. You appear to have no interest in the anointed Body of Christ, but full interest in seeing the organization “restored”, a dichotomy to the “restoration” prophesied in Mal 3:1-3; Matt 17:11. If you believe that the GB have committed “apostasy”, then who really is the ”faithful and discreet slave” providing food at the proper time to all of Christ's servants? You? Are not the governing body members, hypocrites? “I do not sit with deceitful men, nor keep company with hypocrites.” Psalm 26:4 You have yet to prove that this is true by using the word of God. YHVH's Organization
  10. Rev 8 - The third angel sounded, and a great star fell from the sky, burning like a torch, and it fell on one third of the rivers, and on the springs of the waters. 11 The name of the star is called “Wormwood.” One third of the waters became wormwood. Many people died from the waters, because they were made bitter. Wormwood is a poisonous root. In this case, teachings from fallen anointed leaders, poison the living waters that should arise from each anointed heart. As they ingest false teachings, embracing them as truth, the living water from Christ, his teachings, are poisoned by men’s doctrines. John 7:38; Jer 17:13 There is no room in TRUTH from Jesus Christ, for one drop of poison. You comment on January 7th under the topic "Revelation's Trumpets" contradicts your above quote. See it here: What is the meaning of the "Wormwood"? Apostasy within the organization. Here is what the scriptures say about apostate teachings within the organization: "Concerning the prophets: My heart is broken within me. All my bones are shaking. I am like a man who is drunk And like a man overcome by wine, Because of Jehovah and because of his holy words. For the land is full of adulterers; Because of the curse the land has gone into mourning And the pastures of the wilderness have dried up. Their course is evil, and they abuse their power. “Both the prophet and the priest are polluted. Even in my own house I have found their wickedness,” declares Jehovah. “So their path will become slippery and dark; They will be pushed and will fall. For I will bring calamity on them In the year of reckoning,” declares Jehovah. “And in the prophets of Sa·marʹi·a I have seen what is repulsive. Their prophecies are incited by Baʹal, And they lead my people Israel astray. And in the prophets of Jerusalem I have seen horrible things. They commit adultery and walk in falsehood; They encourage evildoers, And they do not turn away from their wickedness. To me they are all like Sodʹom, And her inhabitants are like Go·morʹrah." Therefore this is what Jehovah of armies says against the prophets: “Here I am making them eat wormwood And giving them poisoned water to drink. For from the prophets of Jerusalem apostasy has spread throughout the land.” This is what Jehovah of armies says: “Do not listen to the words of the prophets who are prophesying to you. They are deluding you. The vision they speak is from their own heart, Not from the mouth of Jehovah. They are saying again and again to those who disrespect me, ‘Jehovah has said: “You will enjoy peace.”’ And to everyone who follows his own stubborn heart they say, ‘No calamity will come upon you.’ For who has stood in the inner circle of Jehovah To see and hear his word? Who has paid attention to his word in order to hear it? Look! The windstorm of Jehovah will burst out in fury; Like a whirling tempest it will whirl down on the head of the wicked. The anger of Jehovah will not turn back Until he has carried out and accomplished the intentions of his heart. In the final part of the days you will clearly understand this. I did not send the prophets, yet they ran. I did not speak to them, yet they prophesied. But if they had stood in my inner circle, They would have made my people hear my words And would have caused them to turn back from their bad way and their evil deeds." So what happens when God's people are subjected to Wormwood? According to Revelation 8- "many die from the waters". But you're telling JWs to remain, where the waters of Wormwood flow.
  11. "You can't both drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons. You can't both partake of the table of the Lord and of the table of demons. Or do we provoke the Lord to jealousy? Are we stronger than he?". 1Cor 10:21-22
  12. Yes, Watchtower lies do get old. Lies taught as coming from Jesus Christ; as if the Way of Truth and Life, would ever deceive his sheep, by teaching them a lie. Lies spoken by their leaders are so easily dismissed by JWs, which means apathy and blindness exists; full darkness, not allowing the light of Christ, his true teachings to shine through. 2 Cor 4:1-6 Stop pretending that Jesus Christ directs this organization and its lies. "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever. Don't be carried away by various and strange teachings, for it is good that the heart be established by grace, not by food, through which those who were so occupied were not benefited." Heb 13:7-9 There is no nourishing "food" of any benefit, found in the lies and doctrine of the Watchtower, where teachings rot yearly. Matt 7:15-20
  13. DEFINING BAPTISM "We do not dedicate ourselves to a religion, nor to a man, nor to an organization. No, we dedicate ourselves to the Supreme Sovereign of the Universe, our Creator, Jehovah God himself. This makes dedication a very personal relationship between us and Jehovah." Wt 1966/10/1 pp.603-604 CONTRADICTION: "Have you dedicated your life to Jehovah and symbolized your dedication by water baptism? If so, that is wonderful! Recall that on your baptism day, before eyewitnesses, you were asked whether you had dedicated yourself to Jehovah and understood that “your dedication and baptism identify you as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses in association with God’s spirit-directed organization.” Wt 2017/4 pp. 3-8 EVOLUTION OF BAPTISM QUESTIONS SINCE 1945: 1 - "Have you recognized yourself as a sinner needing salvation from Jehovah God and have you acknowledged that this salvation proceeds from Him and through His Ransomer Christ Jesus? 2 - On the basis of this faith in God and in his provision for redemption, have you consecrated yourself unreservedly to do the will of God henceforth as that will is revealed to you through Christ Jesus and through God's Word as His holy spirit makes it plain?" Wt 1945/2/1 p. 44 1 - On the basis of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, have you repented of your sins and dedicated yourself to Jehovah to do his will? 2 - Do you understand that your dedication and baptism identify you as one of Jehovah's Witnesses in association with God's spirit-directed organization? Having answered yes to these questions, candidates are in a right heart condition to undergo Christian baptism." Wt. 1985/6/1 p. 30 1 - “Have you repented of your sins, dedicated yourself to Jehovah, and accepted his way of salvation through Jesus Christ?” 2 - “Do you understand that your baptism identifies you as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses in association with Jehovah’s organization?”” Wt. 2020/3/9 pp. 8-13
  14. APOSTASY - WHAT IS IT? “At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold. Matt 24:10-12 “For there will arise false christs, (“anointed”) and false prophets, and they will show great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the chosen ones. (Isa 43:10; 1 Pet 2:9) “Behold, I have told you beforehand”. Matt 24:24-25 “I am amazed that you are so quickly turning away from him who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7 not that there is another gospel, but there are some who are troubling you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, a curse be on him! 9 As we have said before, I now say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, a curse be on him!” Gal 1:6-9
  15. A friend of mine wrote this to the members of her congregation upon leaving the organization: To my brothers and sisters, I’m sure you’ve realised by now that something isn’t quite right with me as I haven’t been around in months. The truth is I have been going through a crisis and the last few months have been the hardest time of my life. I couldn’t speak to anyone until I had told my mom which I finally got around to doing a few days ago and now it’s only fair that I tell you and I hope you will take the time to read my letter so I can explain. Before you do though, I entreat you to pray to God to open up your heart and mind and prayerfully examine the scriptures. For the first time in my life, I started reading the Bible on its own, especially the Christian Greek Scriptures. After a while, I started noticing differences between the scriptures and what we are taught, especially about Jesus. We think we are honouring Jesus, but if we truly examine the Bible, are we really? We urge people of other religions to examine if what they are taught is true or not, so does that not also apply to us? If we were to find out that what we are taught is not according to scripture, would that not require investigation? · In Matthew 28:19,20 Jesus commanded us to get baptised in the name of ‘The Father, The Son and the Holy Spirit.’ Have you ever wondered why Jehovah’s Witnesses are baptised into an organisation? Is this following Jesus’ command or are we actually committing an act of idolatry? https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matt+28%3A19-20&version=CSB · As witnesses, we are told that our only chance of salvation is to belong to an organisation. Can you actually find one scripture that backs that up? Acts 4:12 says in reference to Jesus “… there is no salvation in anyone else, for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must get saved.” Do you truly feel we are being taught to obey and trust only in Jesus for our salvation or is it dependent on our belonging to this organisation? · Revelation 18:4 says with regard to Babylon the Great “get out of her MY people”. This is Jesus’ command AFTER the destruction of Babylon the Great, which we know is in the future. Jehovah’s Witnesses have been separate from all other religions for over 100 years, so why are we told that Babylon the Great represents false religion when Jesus is specifically telling HIS people to flee after her destruction? If the harlot is not false religion, who is she? Isn’t our life dependant on knowing the answer to this question? https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+18%3A4&version=CSB · 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12 prophesies that there would be a great apostasy. This is not referring to the early Christian congregation or to those who have left the organisation, this is an apostasy that will occur during Christ’s presence and in God’s temple. Is it not important for us to discern what this apostasy is so that we do not succumb to it? https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Thess+2%3A1-12&version=CSB · In Matthew 24:15 Jesus warned about the “disgusting thing standing in a holy place”. According to the 15 July 2013 Watchtower the initial fulfillment was when the Roman army attacked Jerusalem and its temple and the future fulfillment is the United Nations destroying Christendom. So here Jerusalem prefigures Christendom. However, in the Pure Worship book that we recently studied, in Teaching Box 16A, it shows that Christendom can never be the antitypical Jerusalem because she has never had God’s favour. So which one is true? Does the holy place refer to Christendom or doesn’t it? If it doesn’t as this new understanding suggests, then what holy place is Jesus referring to in Matthew 24:15, how are we to discern the “disgusting thing” standing there and when must we flee? https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matt+24%3A15-16&version=CSB · Why has the New World Translation altered so many scriptures from the original text which totally change the meaning? One example is Revelation 5:10 – please compare the verse to the Kingdom Interlinear as well as other translations. Why are we not taught this? Some other changes are in 2 Corinthians 5:20; Matthew 24:39; John 3:16-18; Romans 10:9,10; Ephesians 4:8; Matthew 3:3. Why was John 7:53-8:11 removed from the latest version of the NWT? https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rev+5%3A10%3B+2+Cor+5%3A20%3B+Matt+24%3A39%3B+John+3%3A16-18%3B+Rom10%3A9%2C10%3B+Eph+4%3A8%3B+Matt+3%3A3%3B+John+7%3A53%3B+8%3A1-11&version=CSB · Matthew 24:45-51 speaks about a slave that would feed God’s sheep – but it also says that when Jesus returns the slave would either be declared faithful or evil. The governing body tell us that they were declared faithful when Jesus inspected the organisation in 1919. On what basis? That they were teaching the truth - but if you examine what they taught at that time it is virtually the opposite of what we are taught today. They say the “light gets brighter and brighter,” but surely any new light should only clarify details not previously understood, not the opposite. Can truth ever change? Why did Jesus give the slave incorrect information to confuse his sheep back then? Were “expired truths” ever true? So did Jesus really appoint them in 1919 or is it in the future? If it is in the future, then they cannot claim to be faithful until Jesus renders judgement. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matt+24%3A45-51&version=CSB Although we are told that we are not to question anything we are taught, is that what the scriptures say? Should we just follow what people say? In Acts 17:11 the Beroeans were commended because they “carefully examined the scriptures daily to see whether these things were so, and in 1 John 4:1-3 it says “Beloved ones, do not believe every inspired statement but test the inspired statements to see whether they originate with God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.” Up until recently, I truly believed with all my heart that I had the truth but after really examining the Bible, I no longer believe it is the true religion. Just admitting those words to myself was so traumatic, I can’t even begin to explain how I felt. It was honestly the worst day of my life and I cried for days. I have given my life to “the truth” believing I was serving God but I have come to see that God’s spirit is not with the governing body. They have convinced over 8 million people that they are the anointed spokesmen of God, but their actions behind the scenes proves that God is not backing them - including their 100% failure rate in several end-of-world predictions and failed calculations using “this generation” which has to be constantly changed. Deuteronomy 18:20-22 says “If any prophet presumptuously speaks a word in my name… and the word is not fulfilled or does not come true, then Jehovah did not speak that word. The prophet spoke it presumptuously. You should not fear him.” https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deut+18%3A20-22&version=CSB Although there are elements of truth taught to us, if there are lies mixed within, can it really be called the Truth? Even if it was mostly true, wouldn’t one falsehood make it false? Just like 1 drop of poison in a glass of water contaminates the entire glass, would you drink it? Would “life giving water” ever be tainted with lies? Jesus knew this would happen and warned us over and over again not to be misled by “false prophets” who would arise – these ones would distort truth but would be difficult to identify because of their smooth sounding words. This deception would be so powerful that even the chosen ones would be misled if they were not awake (Matthew 7:15-20; Matthew 24:4-5,11,24; Luke 21:8; Romans 16:17,18) https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matt+7%3A15-20%3B+24%3A4-5%2C11%2C24%3B+Luke+21%3A8%3B+Rom+16%3A17%2C18&version=CSB With their terrible track record of predicting the future, I am so afraid of what trap they will lead you into when they say you need to follow them “even if it doesn’t make sense from a human standpoint”. I hope and pray that you will come to understand that because they do not have God’s spirit, they cannot understand and unravel Bible prophecy so none of their predictions for the near future will come true. Jesus is not coming to rescue you as long as you are following the governing body and remain part of this organisation. Please trust in God and his precious Son and not in these men for your salvation. If only witnesses would recognise that when they have doubts, it is not Satan, but it is in fact our Creator trying to wake them up and open their eyes to the truth. Our minds and hearts have been captured and only with God’s help can the veil be lifted from our eyes so the truth can shine through (2 Corinthians 4:3,4). Please pray for this help, stop reading their publications and start reading the Bible on its own. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Cor+4%3A3-4&version=CSB This does not mean I would ever join another religion, if any religion was true, it would have been this one – but now I know that I do not need to be part of a religion to be a follower of Jesus (Matthew 18:20). But the question we ask is, if this isn’t the truth – where do we go? The real question we should ask is found in John 6:68 where Peter asked “whom shall we go away to?” The answer is, we go to Jesus. The “Truth” is not a religion - Jesus Christ IS the Truth. He is the Way, the Truth and the Life (John 14:6) https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matt+18%3A20%3B+John+6%3A68%3B+14%3A6&version=CSB Of course, it is up to you whether you choose to look into what the Bible really teaches or not, but I could not keep quiet as I care about you, no matter the consequences to myself. What saddens me is that every single witness is being deceived – they are not on the narrow road to life but are on the broad road to destruction (Matthew 7:13-23). In fact, the organisation is slowly and subtly leading each witness further and further away from Jesus and the salvation he promises. God’s original purpose to make the earth a paradise is real, the path to it is not what we were led to believe. I have come to see that the only way to salvation is to imitate, obey and love Jesus and not to trust or show loyalty to any man or organisation. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matt+7%3A13-23&version=CSB Thank you for reading my letter and I really hope you will take the time to examine what you are being taught, always using the scriptures as your foundation. I will always treasure your friendship and the wonderful memories we shared. I also forgive you for what I know you have to do to me, thinking it is the way you show loyalty to God (John 16:2,3). I am not afraid though, I have full confidence that Jesus and his Father will take care of me, not only now but for eternity. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+16%3A2-3&version=CSB Love to you, Xxxxxx
  16. Audrey, I perceive that you show no fear by creating your assumptions about God, no matter what His word tells us. Even Elihu, one of the false comforters of Job, spoke of God’s glory, which you are shaming, by expecting Him to bend to your blasphemous desire that you are stating as a fact. “Out of the north comes golden splendor; God is clothed with awesome majesty. 23 The Almighty—we cannot find Him; He is great in power; justice and abundant righteousness he will not violate. 24 Therefore men fear Him; He does not regard any who are wise in their own conceit. (heart)” Job 37:22-24 Refresh your memory on the power, glory and awesomeness of the Almighty God, by reading HIS words to Job: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Job+38&version=ESV https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Job+39&version=ESV God continues to tell Job in chapter 40:2 “Shall a faultfinder contend with the Almighty? He who argues with God, let him answer it.” Your argument is being heard by God, you expect Him to become a human on the earth in His own Kingdom. You expect Him to lower Himself to the human He created. Jesus “emptied” himself to obey the Father and bring us to a cleansed, repentant standing through his sacrifice, so that we can be found righteous with heads bowed before God. Jesus is now exalted and sits at the right hand of the power of God. He always will be God’s “right hand”. Psalm110:1,2; 20:6;63:8. But you want to look at God at eye level. You want God who is Spirit, to “empty" himself, so that He can meet you at your level. You have a conceited heart to demand that this will happen. 3 Then Job answered the Lord and said: 4 “Behold, I am of small account; what shall I answer you? I lay my hand on my mouth. 5 I have spoken once, and I will not answer; twice, but I will proceed no further.” Job 40:3-5 Good advice to take note of.
  17. Are you thinking New Jerusalem is a literal city? With a literal Temple? Where God would set up a literal throne? Galatians 4:26- but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all. Mothers are covenants, promises. Gal 4:24 New Jerusalem is the promise of life. It is the Temple of God, symbolically built on the body of Christ - a living Temple where God in Spirit (because God IS Spirit) and Christ are that Temple. "But I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. 23 The city had no need of the sun or of the moon to shine in it, for the glory of God illuminated it. The Lamb is its light. 24 And the nations of those who are saved shall walk in its light, and the kings of the earth bring their glory and honor into it?" Who are the kings of the earth that bring their glory and honor into it? Rev 1:5,6 - "and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth. To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood." Rev 5:9,10 - And they sang a new song, saying: “You are worthy to take the scroll, And to open its seals; For You were slain, And have redeemed us to God by Your blood Out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation And have made us kings and priests to our God; And we shall reign on the earth.” So New Jerusalem is the Temple. It isn't literal because God is the Temple as well as Christ. Can you picture this? It is a dwelling of God in Spirit, in the hearts of his priests/kings of the earth who are the symbolic living stones of His dwelling in Spirit. (1 Pet 2:5,9) 1Cor 3:16 - Don’t you yourselves know that you are God’s temple and that the Spirit of God lives in you? That is how New Jerusalem comes down out of heaven; through Christ, the anointed and Holy Spirit from God. John 1:51; Gen 28:12-14. And this is how God will be with mankind. Rev 21:3 But instead of the sacred dwelling in Spirit that He has established in scriptures, you want him there as a human. You definitely are rewriting God's word. I see you found a definition that fits your desired narrative. YHWH - He Who Causes "That Which Is" To Be; He Will Cause To Be. Then Moses said to God, “Indeed, when I come to the children of Israel and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they say to me, ‘What is His name?’ what shall I say to them?” 14 And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’ ” Exod 3:13,14 I AM – hāyâ; to be, exist WHO - 'ăšer; that, which, who “If you are the Son of God, throw yourself down from here, 10 for it is written, “‘He will command his angels concerning you, to guard you,’ 11 and “‘On their hands they will bear you up, lest you strike your foot against a stone.’” Luke 4:9-11 Audrey – “If you are the Almighty God, turn yourself into a human, for it is written that your name means, (using your twisted definition}, “I will become whatsoever I choose”. You’re not listening to Jesus, but to another spirit – a dangerous one.
  18. I don't see you wanting to release captives at all; rather, you want them to stay captive and submissive to an earthly form of rule. You want them to be captivated by your unfounded beliefs. Russell called the concept of religious earthly organization, as 'carnal". "So if you have been raised with Christ, seek the things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God. 2 Set your minds on things above, not on earthly things. 3 For you died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God. 4 When Christ, who is your life, appears, then you also will appear with him in glory." Col 3 "For I have often told you, and now say again with tears, that many live as enemies of the cross of Christ. 19 Their end is destruction; their god is their stomach; their glory is in their shame; and they are focused on earthly things.". Phil 3:18-19 I do see you using scriptures that apply to the prophet John the Baptist, and to the last "Elijah" prophesied to arrive in Matthew 17:11, who comes to prepare a cleansed priesthood before the coming of Jesus. Mal 3:1-3 Are you claiming to be that prophet? I see that you are quoting scriptures describing Jesus as the chief cornerstone. What is your reason? Are you trying to apply it to the foundation of a corporation? He is the chief cornerstone of the spiritual Temple only, where God has put His name. Putting His name on anything else is blasphemy (Eph 2:20-22) (Lev 24:16; Rev 3:12) I see that Jesus told us that God is Spirit and we are to worship Him in spirit and truth, not as a human being. (John 4:24) Jesus is the image of God. Why are you taking away the glorious position given to Jesus? I see that you challenge God's word repeatedly, with flippant accusations that you expect God to fulfill. You speak of not adding or taking away from the scriptures, yet you are doing both. Which tells me that you are blind to its true meaning.
  19. The organization is a facade, a fake Zion, which rivals the spiritual Temple of God. I've already gone into this in great detail. I don't hate the people in the organization. In fact, I fear for their lives which is why I keep saying they need to get out, every last one of them. Rev 18:4-8 You choose to hear your own words, capitalizing on your own ideas, even when scriptures that prove otherwise are placed before you. I'm troubled that you make statements without backing up your words with scripture. Often you toss out the idea that everyone will see God, that He will walk the earth; when not even JWs can agree with such a thought. And you give no scriptures to support your theory. "Absolutely not! Let God be true, even though everyone is a liar, as it is written: That you may be justified in your words and triumph when you judge." Rom3:4
  20. I'm sorry you believe that I'm lying. I guess it's time for you to do your own research on what Russell originally taught about religious "organization". Of course, he eventually turned full circle and embraced earthly organization. Which means, he fell to the influence of a spirit other than the Holy Spirit. He poisoned the waters of Truth that he had first recognized. (1Tim 4:1; Heb 12:25; Rev 8:10-11; 2 Cor 11:1-4) But before that happened, he wrote about the early congregation: 1881 "They were organized and bound together as members of one society, and as such had laws and government and consequently ahead or recognized ruling authority. The bonds were bonds of love and common interest. Since all were enlisted under the captaincy of Jesus, the hopes and fears, joys and sorrows, and aims of one were those of the other and thus they had a far more perfect union of heart then could possibly be had from a union on the basis of any man-made creed. Thus their organization was of the Spirit; their law for the government of each was love, and all as a whole were put under obedience to the "law of the Spirit", as it was expressed in the life, actions, and words of their Lord. Their government was the will of him who said, "If ye love me keep my commandments". "Contrast this church organization with what now affects to be a continuance of the same--viz.: The various denominational organizations, each of which binds its members to a mental union on the basis of some creed or dogma of its own (many of them anything but (love-ly) and each having its own laws. "These laws emanate from their heads or rulers and lawgivers; so it is clearly seen that these present-day churches have and recognized as heads, or directing, ruling powers over them the ancient founders of their various creeds while their clergy and conferences, councils, synods, and presbyteries, interpret and enforce the "tradition of the elders", which "make void the word of God". These take the place of the true Head of the church--Jesus and the true teacher and guide into all truth, the Holy Spirit. Hear the Prophet Isaiah express it, (chap. 9:15). "But says one: must I not join some organization on earth, as sent to some creed and have my name written on earth? No, remember that Jesus is your pattern and teacher, and neither in his words nor acts will you find any authority for binding yourselves with creeds and traditions of the elders, which all tend to make the word of God of none effect. (Mark 7:13) and bring you under a bondage which will hinder your growth and Grace and knowledge, and against which Paul warned you to "Stand fast therefore in the Liberty wherewith Christ hath made you free, and be not entangled with a yoke of bondage." (Gal 5:1) "But say some: if it is not proper to unite with any of the present nominal churches, would it not be well to form a visible organization of our own? Yes, this is what we have--an organization modeled after that of the early church. The Lord Jesus alone is our head or law giver, the Holy Spirit is our interpreter and guide into truth; our names are all written in heaven; we are bound together by love and common interest. "Do you inquire--How shall we know one another? We reply, How could we help knowing one another when the Spirit of our Master is made manifest in word and act, and manner and look? Yes the living faith, the unfeigned love, the lawn suffering meekness, the childlike simplicity coupled with the constancy and zeal of maturity, make manifest the sons of God, and we need no earthly record, for the names of all such a written in the Lamb's book of Life. Watch Tower 1881 1882 "We are strictly unsectarian, and consequently recognize no sectarian name, believing with Paul, (read 1 Cor. 3:1-4) that where one says I am of Paul, and I of apollos, or I am a baptist, or I a methodist, etc., It is an evidence of carnality, and consequently in opposition to the Spirit of Christ. Did Paul or Apollos die for us? If so let us call ourselves theirs. Were were baptized into the methodist, presbyterian, baptist, or other denominational churches? If so, we are members of it, and should be properly recognized by those names. But if we were baptized into the one body or Church of which Jesus is the one and only Head then we are members in particular of his body, and the only name appropriate would be his; Scripturally called the "Church of Christ," "Christians," "Church of the firstborn," and such like general names. Again we would remark that ours is the only scriptural base of Christian union, viz: "We have no creed (fence) to bind us together or to keep others out of our company. The Bible is our only standard and it's teachings are only creed, and recognizing the progressive character of the unfolding of scriptural truths, we are ready and prepared to add to or modify our creed (faith-belief) as we get increase of life from our Standard. "If all Christians were to thus free themselves of prescribed creeds, and study the word of God without denominational bias, truth and knowledge and real Christian fellowship in unity, would result. The Spirit of the Head would pervade the unfettered members of the body, and sectarian pride would vanish." 1884 "We belong to no earthly organization; hence, if you should name the entire list of sects, we should answer, No, to each and to all. We adhere only to that heavenly organization whose names are written in heaven. (Heb 12:23;Luke 10:30). All the saints now living, or that have lived during this age, belong to OUR CHURCH ORGANIZATION: such are all ONE Church, and there is NO OTHER recognized by the Lord. Hence an earthly organization which in the least interferes with this union of saints is contrary to the teachings of scripture and opposed to the Lord's will--'that they may be ONE'. (John17:11)" And so by whatsoever names men may call us, it matters not to us; we acknowledge none other name than "the only name given under heaven and among men"--Jesus Christ. We call ourselves simply CHRISTIANS and we raise no fence to separate us from any who believe in the foundation stone of our building mentioned by Paul: "That Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures"; and those for whom this is not broad enough have no right to the name Christian."
  21. Audrey - "Jesus is head of the congregation. He didn't forsake it. These are the children, his inheritance. He won't forsake them. He will remove those who are hurting others and refuse to change." When God's people were exiled to Babylon, and when it was time for them to leave, did He remove the wicked from Babylon, or did He remove the repentant ones from Babylon? We have another Babylon, and we are told to "get out of her MY PEOPLE". Rev 18:4-8 If we can discern the man of lawlessness/ elder body ruling over the temple living stones, which is an abomination standing in the holy place, we must flee. (Matt 24:15,16) Anyone who loves God with their whole mind, heart and soul, would not tolerate falsehoods. They would not continue to sit with hypocrites. (Mark 12:33; Ps 26:4). They would not wait around thinking God will remove the wicked from something He never created. They would not still listen to false prophets, and remain under subjection to a counterfeit priesthood. God's word tells us that WE must act. We must show where our faith lies; is it with an organization, or is it with God? https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah%2048%3A20%2CJeremiah%2049%3A30%2CJeremiah%2050%3A8%2CJeremiah%2050%3A28%2CMatthew%2024%3A15%2CMatthew%2024%3A16%2CRevelation%2018%3A4-8&version=CSB .
  22. Audrey - "Interpretations belong to God. Jehovah doesn't give "visions" today. The Bible is complete. The Bible is its own interpreter." In the Temple body of Christ, we find prophets listed in the foundation - Eph 2:20-22. Paul was a prophet, Peter was a prophet. I would imagine every one of the 12 apostles could have been prophets. The Bible speaks of other prophets during that time as well. Do you think prophecy stopped with them? And if you think prophesy has ceased; no, prophecy has not ceased, otherwise knowledge would cease. Love never ends. But as for prophecies, they will come to an end; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will come to an end. 9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part, 10 but when the perfect comes, the partial will come to an end. 1 Cor 13:8-10 You said that Jesus sent you, and I'm guessing you mean to bear your message about the organization, that God intends to cleanse it. How do you know this? If you didn't have a dream, or if you didn't have a vision, how do you know Jesus sent you? Amos 3:7 - Indeed, the Lord God does nothing without revealing his counsel to his servants the prophets. How did He reveal this councel to you, that the organization will be cleansed? "Listen to what I say: If there is a prophet among you from the Lord, I make myself known to him in a vision; I speak with him in a dream." Num 12:6 So by all rights, you should have had a dream or a vision from God, telling you to witness to JWs that the organization will be cleansed. "I will speak through the prophets and grant many visions; I will give parables through the prophets." Hos 12:6 Again, the only way you could get the message from God or from Jesus is through a vision or dream! Unless this is a vision from your own mind. "This is what the Lord of Armies says: “Do not listen to the words of the prophets who prophesy to you. They are deluding you. They speak visions from their own minds, not from the Lord’s mouth." Jer 23:16 "And it will be in the last days, says God, that I will pour out my Spirit on all people; then your sons and your daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, and your old men will dream dreams.18 I will even pour out my Spirit on my servants in those days, both men and women and they will prophesy." Acts 2:17-18 Rev 11:3 - will grant my two witnesses authority to prophesy for 1,260 days, dressed in sackcloth.” 1Thess 5:20-21 - "Don’t despise prophecies, 21 but test all things. Hold on to what is good."
  23. Audrey, to be clear, Jesus never built the organization. Satan did, to deceive the remnant, the remaining ones of the woman's seed. Rev 12:1-4,15 He had help from fallen anointed ones to bring his plan to fruition, to bait all of them, and gather them into the organization. Rev 9:1-4; 13:11,-14;16:13-16; Jesus has his own spiritual organization built on his body, his Temple of living stones. He said to establish our treasures in heaven, not on Earth. Matt 6:19-21,24. He gave money to the poor, he never told his apostles to collect money and build an empire, a kingdom in the world of Satan. His kingdom is heavenly, spiritual. He told us how we are to worship, not on a mountain-like organization, that is physical, a focal point. God is seeking those who worship Him in spirit and truth. John 4:23,24 Have you thought of just starting with the book of Matthew and reading through it to Revelation? Pray for discernment, for understanding, let the scriptures open your mind and heart, to truth.
  24. Audrey, about prophecy, do you realize that's what you're doing? You are interpreting scripture your way. Have you had a vision, a dream? Listen to what I say:If there is a prophet among you from the Lord,I make myself known to him in a vision;I speak with him in a dream. Num 12:6 The last prophet that comes to God's people in the last days, in the manner of "Elijah", (Matt 17:11) preaches in sackcloth over the detestable things that are happening with God's people. (Rev 11:1-3) "Gentiles" "sit" in the temple of the Lord, elders are ruling over the anointed. 1 Thess 2:3,4) The cry is proclaimed in Revelation 14:6-12; 18:4-8, of judgment to come upon God's people, the "kings of the earth"/saints. Rev 1:5;5:9,10)
  25. The words of the ancient prophets were spoken to God's people, Israel. Revelation concerns warnings and outcomes to come upon His holy people; and the prophets' declarations are heard once again at the sound of the 7th trumpet. They're directed to spiritual "Israel"- God's people under covenant, not Christendom. When the Pharisees wanted Jesus killed, and Pilate washed his hands of such an unwarranted act, the people cried out, "his blood be on us and our children". Matt 27:25 The Wts' leadership spills spiritual blood every day through disfellowshipping. Every day! Yet, condemnation will also come against them for causing the suicide of individuals, who were left without a loving shepherd. The arrangement is the same. Modern day Pharisees delegate this killing to be carried out by "Gentiles", the elder body. Any anointed member of Christ's body, who is persecuted, and spiritually killed for speaking truth in Christ, for shunning false doctrines, is persecuting Christ himself. (Acts 9:4) For this, the GB and the man of lawlessness/elder body, will come under great condemnation, unless they repent and flee this land of confusion - "Babylon". Rev 18:4-8 The word of the Lord came to me: 2 “As for you, son of man, will you pass judgment? Will you pass judgment against the city of blood? Then explain all her detestable practices to her. 3 You are to say, ‘This is what the Lord God says: A city that sheds blood within her walls so that her time of judgment has come and who makes idols for herself so that she is defiled! 4 You are guilty of the blood you have shed, and you are defiled from the idols you have made. You have brought your judgment days near and have come to your years of punishment. Therefore, I have made you a disgrace to the nations and a mockery to all the lands. 5 Those who are near and those far away from you will mock you, you infamous one full of turmoil. Look, every prince of Israel within you has used his strength to shed blood. 7 Father and mother are treated with contempt, and the resident alien is exploited within you. The fatherless and widow are oppressed in you. 8 You despise my holy things and profane my Sabbaths. 9 There are men within you who slander in order to shed blood. People who live in you eat at the mountain shrines;they commit depraved acts within you. 10 The word of the Lord came to me: 24 “Son of man, say to her, ‘You are a land that has not been cleansed, that has not received rain in the day of indignation.’ 25 The conspiracy of her prophets within her is[e] like a roaring lion tearing its prey: they devour people, seize wealth and valuables, and multiply the widows within her. 26 Her priests do violence to my instruction and profane my holy things. They make no distinction between the holy and the common, and they do not explain the difference between the clean and the unclean. They close their eyes to my Sabbaths, and I am profaned among them. Her officials within her are like wolves tearing their prey, shedding blood, and destroying lives in order to make profit dishonestly. 28 Her prophets plaster for them with whitewash by seeing false visions and lying divinations, saying, ‘This is what the Lord God says,’ when the Lord has not spoken. 29 The people of the land have practiced extortion and committed robbery. They have oppressed the poor and needy and unlawfully exploited the resident alien. 30 I searched for a man among them who would repair the wall and stand in the gap before me on behalf of the land so that I might not destroy it, but I found no one. 31 So I have poured out my indignation on them and consumed them with the fire of my fury. I have brought their conduct down on their own heads.” This is the declaration of the Lord God. Ezek 22 Audrey, God refines hearts when they turn to Him - only hearts; not riches, not investments, not fabulous buildings, not corporations - nothing made by the hands of men. Acts 17:24,25,29 Truth is more than just simple, it requires understanding. I feel you're creating your own false sense of peace and security, believing you can wait it out until the organization is cleansed, and then join back in. There probably will be people flocking back into the organization once the governing body is taken down. That does not signify any cleansing of the organization. It only means a new power will be set in place, before Jesus will remove it; because as the organization already does, it will continue to wage war against His holy people. Rev 13:5-7; 17:3-6;11-18 Then I heard a loud voice from the temple saying to the seven angels, “Go and pour out the seven bowls of God’s wrath on the earth.” The third poured out his bowl into the rivers and the springs of water, and they became blood. 5 I heard the angel of the waters say, You are just, the Holy One, who is and who was, because you have passed judgment on these things. 6 Because they poured out the blood of the saints and the prophets, you have given them blood to drink; they deserve it! Rev 16
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