Witness

9 hours ago, AnnaNana said:

The chapter in Revelation that is talking about doing a Moses/Elijah type work is chapter 11.

You have totally ignored the scripture in Matthew 17 that speaks of a prophet to come in the manner of Elijah. Malachi chapter 3 also refers to this messenger that God sends to cleanse his priesthood/kings.  You have a lot of opinions with no scriptural backup.  If we feel we know truth, then we must prove it by God's word, yes?       

I'm very sorry that you don't recognize the spiritual Temple, and the jeopardy each anointed one who is part of it,  faces in the organization.  But instead, you put your hope and faith in an organization built by men, that you think God is going to cleanse. He cleanses hearts, not establishments that men build.  If that was the case, he would have allowed his Spirit to remain with the Pharisees.  He would not have removed His Spirit from the early temple. Matt 27:51  But it was destroyed, wasn't it?  Jesus told them, "your house is abandoned and desolate".  Matt 23:38

There has never been evidence of an organization in existence, that God's people were to give allegiance to.  We are to give exclusive devotion to the Father.  Exodus 20:5. You mentioned that we are to be submissive to those in the leadership role of the organization.  Yet you also say the governing body are false teachers, if I am right.  You say some of the elders are not good shepherds, if I'm right. Explain to me where in the scriptures we are to be submissive to a leadership that is corrosive.  That tears down the faith of an individual by teaching myths, made up stories about the meaning of "this generation". (2 Tim 4:3-4)  No.  Remember, the disciples of Christ left that arrangement behind.  The new arrangement is established on Christ.  He told us in John 4;19-24, that we will not look to any entity, any physical  establishment - a "mountain" - to worship the Father. So, why do you enforce the opposite?  Why do you look to the "mountain-like organization" as salvation? 

@AnnaNana"Jesus said that "Elijah" meant John the Baptist. There is no indication of another fulfillment of that verse for today."

When the disciples saw both Moses and Elijah with Jesus on the holy mountain, this was signifying to us that a prophet would indeed arrive again in the last days in the manner of both Moses and Elijah - to lead God's people out of  spiritual captivity to an idol, and to speak of the need for repentance and refinement, as both Elijah and John the Baptist did.  This signifies the call of the "two witnesses" of Revelation chapter 11:3 

Matt 17:10-12:

And His disciples asked Him, saying, “Why then do the scribes say that Elijah must come first?”

Jesus answered and said to them, “Indeed, Elijah is coming first and will restore all things. 

 But I say to you that Elijah has come already, and they did not know him but did to him whatever they wished. Likewise the Son of Man is also about to suffer at their hands.”

@AnnaNana, Jesus said  "Elijah"  comes in the last days to restore all things. Do you realize this?  He is not referring to an earthly organization that is restored.  He's referring to the living stones of his Temple, the kings he rules over.    They must be refined before he returns.  Matt 17:11; Mal chapter 3; Rom 8:19-22

The mountainlike organization will see the last of its days at Jesus' return.  Zech 4:6-10; 2 Thess 2:3,4,8; Rev 8:8

6 minutes ago, Moise Racette said:

Does this poster then condemn Christ, within the gentiles, and Jesus and the apostles having to deal with the Pharisees? 

How is God judging this poster worthy, by blaspheming?

You're very good at spewing out words that make no correlation whatsoever to a comment.  I dare say, Jesus himself could come to you with truth, and you would deny it. 

Perhaps if you read the scriptures Allen, you can then see what I'm talking about; that is, if you earnestly want to understand what they are telling us.  I'm speaking of the priesthood and its necessary role that has never been  eliminated. It began as an active priesthood in the first century, it doesn't stop with the advent of the organization. That does not negate any individual from turning to Christ, praying to him, learning from him and receiving Holy Spirit to help him understand what the word of God is telling us in the last days.  But it is the priests, those whom Jesus sends, who truly are given that understanding as long as they remain in Christ and follow his guidance - not what false prophets tell them - that can help guide believers to more understanding. Mat 7:15-20; John 15:1-8,16

And if you don't recognize your leaders as false prophets by examining your historic teachings, then you truly are,  blind. 2 Cor 11:13-15

I'm sure you prefer to have the anointed remain silent in the organization, and kowtow to men, especially the women; to bow down in humility to elders who are appointed by men, not by God. Yet, your two new governing body members are anointed.  Now, how do you know if they are indeed, anointed?  How do you know that they're not mentally unstable?  How do you know, that it's not a facade that these men are anointed?  You see, God knows those who are His, and if that person is genuinely anointed, they know they are His as well. But they must stand up for truth, not listen to men who give them lie after lie about the necessity for them to honor and obey "Gentiles", men not anointed.  It is very sad, that if these two new GB members are truly anointed, then these "kings of the earth" have fallen for the harlot's wine.  Rev 17:1-2 

The elders are not the true shepherds of the congregations belonging to Christ, it is those who are part of his body, priests following the headship of their High Priest, Jesus, just as we saw with Christ's early chosen disciples. THEY are the shepherds, THEY are the princes under their great Prince Jesus Christ.  

So basically, you're condemnation against myself, against AnnaNana, and any other anointed one who may come here declaring the lies and sins of the Watchtower and its leaders, shows that you are part of the abomination, that  tramples down the holy Temple of God.  1 Cor 3:16-17

1 hour ago, AnnaNana said:

It is proper and scriptural to have organization and elders and a governing body.

22 hours ago, Moise Racette said:

I seriously hope they do. Then the Watchtower along with any interested party can "SUE" the pants off of that organized group, blogger and instigators for assuming the Org has stopped anyone from forming their own religious ideologies or groups

Apparently you have forgotten who is doing the suing in Spain, and why.     https://avoidjw.org/news/spain-jw-take-victims-to-court/

It doesn't seem so far-fetched  to predict the rise of an army of lawyers, ready and stationed to SUE their own brother, mother, son, daughter, orphan, widow. Luke 12:53 

Oh wait, they already have that.

Matthew 7:12 - In everything, therefore, treat people the same way you want them to treat you, for this is the Law and the Prophets.

1 hour ago, Arauna said:

In any case we cannot put Jesus on par with Jehovah - he is merely a creation of jehovah and it was jehovah who emptied him to come to earth and be born as a human. 

"merely", is a bit of an understatement.

Have this in your mind, which was also in Christ Jesus, ⁶ who, existing in the form of God, didn’t consider equality with God a thing to be grasped, ⁷ but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in the likeness of men. ⁸ And being found in human form, he humbled himself, becoming obedient to the point of death, yes, the death of the cross. ⁹ Therefore God also highly exalted him, and gave to him the name which is above every name, ¹⁰ that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, those on earth, and those under the earth, ¹¹ and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.   Philippians 2

 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. 16 For by him all things were created in the heavens and on the earth, visible things and invisible things, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things have been created through him and for him. 17 He is before all things, and in him all things are held together. 18 He is the head of the body, the assembly, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things he might have the preeminence.  Col 1

All things are held together in him - that is, creation - the heavens and the earth.  Watchtower does a lot of dismissing of the role and the power of Jesus Christ.  

1 hour ago, Arauna said:

2 hours ago, Witness said:

Nothing is impossible for Jehovah.

Yes - but are you now making Jehovah into a kind of angel that can materialize? .....with human desires who wants to mix with humans..... like the wicked angels did?  The bible itself says the highest heavens cannot contain Jehovah.... I quoted the scripture above.  

Actually, "Nothing is impossible for Jehovah", is AnaNana's comment, although it is true. 

Isa 55:9 - "For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts."

15 hours ago, AnnaNana said:

But can Jehovah materialize a body to use if He wants to? Jesus could. Jehovah can listen to all those prayers at the same time. Why couldn't He interact in person via a human body with different people at the same time? Nothing is impossible for Jehovah.

 

Jesus said in John 10:35a, “and you know that the Scriptures cannot be altered, or “broken”.  The Greek word there, actually means to "loosen, dissolve, put off”  and more. 

If we alter what we know about the image of God, when the Bible tells us that no man can look Him in the face and live; and that He is Spirit, whom we must worship in spirit and in truth, then we have both added and taken away from the word of God.  Deut 4:2  (Exod 33:18-23; John 4:24; John 1:18)

Prov 30:6 - Don’t add to his words,
or he will rebuke you, and you will be proved a liar.

Our worship comes from our heart, where His Spirit can dwell.  Jer 24:7; John 14:23; Rom 8:9

For the faithful anointed in Christ, this is especially so, since they are the dwelling/Temple/tabernacle of God's Spirit.  1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16; Eph 2:20-22; Rev 21:3,4

I really hope you don’t forget that Jesus, who was always God’s spokesperson as the Logos throughout the millennium, is how we come to see and know God.  John 14:6  He represented God to Abraham, and it was he that spoke for God in the Garden of Eden.   Even through the prophets, God's word was spoken as if it was He speaking directly to the nation of Israel.  

The scriptures about God cannot contradict one another, by saying he appeared to Abraham, yet no man can look on the face of God and live.  Jesus is the Word of God – he spoke for God who is Spirit.  Even when Moses saw God “face to face”, it was spiritual, not physical, because God is Spirit.  John 4:24

John 1:14 - The Word became flesh and dwelt among us. We observed his glory, the glory as the one and only Sonfrom the Father, full of grace and truth.

Col 1:15-17- He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For everything was created by him,
in heaven and on earth,
the visible and the invisible,
whether thrones or dominions
or rulers or authorities—
all things have been created through him and for him.
¹⁷ He is before all things,
and by him all things hold together.

John 8:19 - Then they asked him, “Where is your Father?” “You know neither me nor my Father,” Jesus answered. “If you knew me, you would also know my Father.”

2 hours ago, Moise Racette said:

Even to the nation of modern day Israel, they believe it happened in 1917 with the Belfour Declaration. A reason they hold 1947/8 and 1967/8 significant to them. 

1 hour ago, Moise Racette said:

Personal opinions don't matter when it comes to a serious bible discussion.

Have a good evening, Allen.  

34 minutes ago, Moise Racette said:

Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. 

New Jerusalem is the Temple of God comprised of the anointed (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16; Eph 2:20-22)

They are  under the mother covenant of life - Gal 4:26

That is what the "woman" in Rev 12 is all about - this promised covenant and those who are part of it.  Rev 12:1,2

Are the anointed "living stones" of the Temple "trampled" today?  Yes, by the elders who have replaced the as a counterfeit priesthood.  The anointed, under the rule of both the GB and the elder body, are silenced. (Matt 24:48-51)  They cannot join together as a body.  And all JWs put up with it!  

You know what's amazing to me, In Norway, the Wt is screaming loudly, because they have lost funding for their  disfellowshipping rule.  So they create a department (whatever it's called) to fight against this country - to sue them - HIRING LAWYERS, and wasting donations so that they receive money yearly from Norway. They want to do things their way.   Your first indication that the organization isn't the "truth", is their need to obtain money, use it to "buy" their rights in the court systems, and fight against victims of abuse. They are an aggressive, spiteful organization.

 TRUTH FROM THE FATHER AND THE SON STANDS ON ITS OWN. 

Rom 12:17; 2 Cor 2:17; Matt 10:8; 1 Pet 3:15  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rom+12%3A17%3B+2+Cor+2%3A17%3B+Matt+10%3A8%3B+1+Pet+3%3A15&version=NIV

But when it comes to allowing the anointed priests in the organization to gather and worship under their Head Jesus Christ, they prohibit it. They have scattered these "stones", and have literally told them not to bond together. (Matt 24:2) This is the trampling of a people - "Israel", and it is done by "Gentiles" - the elder body.  If the authentic priests reject this ruling, they are disfellowshipped, "killed".  

Rev 11:1-2 - I was given a reed like a measuring rod and was told, “Go and measure the temple of God and the altar, with its worshipers. 2 But exclude the outer court; do not measure it, because it has been given to the Gentiles. They will trample on the holy city for 42 months.

Rev 11:3,7:  "And I will appoint my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth.”  Now when they have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up from the Abyss will attack them, and overpower and kill them."

These symbolic "two witnesses" are the anointed who stand up and reject the lie spoken by the GB and it's elders.  Zech 4:11-14; Rev 11:4-6

This is another period of time that "Gentiles" rule over God's holy people, invading the Temple of God.  Rev 13:1,2,5-7; Mark 13:14; Dan 8:11,12; 11:31

5 hours ago, Moise Racette said:

How can the poster confirm this? Simple question, how about an answer. If the poster is going to be absolute, then the poster has proof.

This is a test - do you support God's word, or do you support the folly of men?

How do we confirm that 1914 is a lie?  The scriptures confirm it. Here's one way.  Has Watchtower revealed who the man of lawlessness is?  That it sits in the Temple of God? (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22) 

Not a fake one that Watchtower claims; but the authentic TEMPLE OF GOD as the scriptures state?

No, they haven’t revealed who the authentic man of lawlessness is.

So, when the apostle Paul said…

 “Now, dear brothers and sisters, let us clarify some things about the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and how we will be gathered to meet him. ² Don’t be so easily shaken or alarmed by those who say that the day of the Lord has already begun. Don’t believe them, even if they claim to have had a spiritual vision, a revelation, or a letter supposedly from us.” 2 Thess 2:1,2

…we need to clarify some things:

Firstly, who compares themselves to “us” – to the apostles?  The GB,  A. Morris particularly, just ask him; and if these men are truly anointed, then "supposedly from us", could mean supposedly from the anointed ones.  Matt 24:24,25

Secondly, who has said that the "day of the Lord" has already begun?

The day of the Lord is another way to say = "the Lord’s day".

“As Jehovah’s witnesses we are intensely interested in Revelation, for we recognize that since 1914 we have been living in the “Lord’s day". Km 5/70

Thirdly, This “day of the Lord” was supposedly the time that God’s Kingdom/Messianic Kingdom was BORN in heaven.

“It laid out convincing Scriptural evidence that the Messianic Kingdom had been born in 1914, fulfilling the prophetic picture of God’s heavenly woman giving birth, as recorded in Revelation chapter 12.  kr, chapter 5

About this birth, Watchtower states -

Have those things that Jesus and Paul foretold taken place in our time? Yes, they certainly have. World War I was by far the worst war up to that time. It was the first world war and was the turning point in modern history. Along with that war went food shortages, disease epidemics, and other calamities. Those events from 1914 onward were, as Jesus put it, “a beginning of pangs of distress.” (Matthew 24:8) What is the purpose of life, pg 27

Okay, as brought out here several times in the past, the Wt. Kingdom Interlinear Translation reads Matt 24:8 as indicating, not “pangs of distress”, but “pangs of birth”.

Wt. says in 1914, a kingdom was born, and then birth pangs followed!  That’s like saying a woman gave birth with no pain, nothing.  The baby just popped out.  And while holding her newborn baby, she began to experience painful contractions, which is called labor pains/birth pains.  They lasted for hours and hours, and nothing came from all of that painful labor.  That’s because, according to Wt. reasoning, she had already given birth before she went into labor!  She had produced a baby, and now she was suffering from labor pains.

What a twisted lie.

Labor Pains

 Throughout the centuries since his resurrection, Jesus has faithfully supervised the activities of the Christian congregation over which he has been ruling as King. (Col. 1:13)   w09 12/15 pp. 20-24 

So, when the Wt. states that Jesus sat waiting to become king until 1914, it shows what hypocrites they truly are.  

55 minutes ago, Moise Racette said:

since there is a fine line between rulership and kingship.

What?  Why do you fight truth?  I'm always shaking my head with what you come up with as an excuse.

A king RULES.  That is the component of having a kingship.  That's common sense, where is you common sense?

Starting at that time, in 33 C.E., Christ began ruling over the Christian congregation, and his followers happily acknowledged his lordship and heavenly position. (Colossians 1:13, 14) Yet it was not God’s purpose for Jesus to begin ruling over the world of mankind and the universe then.  “Happiness” pg 154-155

"Ruling over the Christian congregation" and "ruling over the world of mankind."  

Hmm, no effort was made in replacing the word, "ruling", signifying rulership, with the word ...hmm, what does a king do but RULE under his kingship!

  If a king is ruling, he is reigning as a king.  Look up the meaning of "rule" in blueletterbible, for Psalm 110:1,2

Your foolishness is way beyond what I want to deal with. 

On 1/13/2023 at 2:29 AM, AnnaNana said:

To Dear "Witness", yes, Jehovah is definitely writing his name of faithful New Jerusalem. But the Kingdom hasn't begun yet. Remember how Jesus stayed in subjection to the Jewish system of things, even though it was corrupt, even though it was about to be replaced, even though those were the nasty guys who killed him, even though they were teaching lies about Jehovah and heaping reproach on his holy name? Jesus is our model, our exemplar. 

Jesus is definitely our model, not men; and God does have a people for His name.   They would be chosen by God Himself.  (Isa 43:10).  They are the anointed – 1 Pet 2:5,9.  “chosen” “living stones” of the Temple of God, giving sacrifices/witness of praise to God.  (1 Cor 3:16,17; 2 Cor 6:16)

You know, we are in the same predicament as the early Jews were, under a pharisaical rulership.  Jesus told them the truth, and they killed him for it.

Is it not the same today with those, especially God’s anointed, who speak the truth in Christ’s teachings and are “killed”/disfellowshipped for it?  And how many others join them?  (John 16:2; Rev 13:6,7,15; 11:1-3,7)

Before he was led to his death, he told the Pharisees,
“your house is left to you desolate”. (Matt 23:38) What does this mean?  When Jesus died, the curtain, the veil, in the temple was ripped from top to bottom. (Mark 15:38) God removed His Holy Spirit from His people. He left them desolate.   

If we walk circumspectly in the footsteps of Christ, speaking out as you are, we also will tell our people that God is abandoning this “house”/organization/and the dwelling place in the anointed hearts; and as always, only a remnant who listens, survives. (Jer 7:11-15 ; Rev 18:4-8)  They are living in a sense of false peace and security.  1 Thess 5:3

Matt 24:24,25 -  For there will arise false christs, (“anointed”) and false prophets, and they will show great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the chosen ones.

Rev 13:11 - “I saw another beast coming up out of the earth. He had two horns like a lamb, and he spoke like a dragon. (false prophet/false “christs”)

 ¹² He exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence. (the GB exercises authority over the organization)

 He makes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, (that is, Jehovah’s organization made up of the elder body) whose fatal wound was healed. (when Rutherford went to jail and then was released)

 ¹³ He performs great signs, even making fire (see the dichotomy in Jer 23:29, “fire” represents “word”; comdenation) come down out of the sky to the earth in the sight of people.

 ¹⁴ He deceives my own people who dwell on the earth (Col 2:8) because of the signs he was granted to do in front of the beast,”

So a false prophet performs “signs and wonders” before, in front of, an organization/Beast. Hasn’t the leadership of the organization done exactly that?  They direct the organization.  

“saying to those who dwell on the earth ("my own people" – Isa 66:1; Lam 2:1;Luke 8:5-8; 1 Cor 3:9) that they should make an image to the beast who had the sword wound and lived. (The organization revived, returned to a living operation after Rutherford was released from prison) 

¹⁵ It was given to him (the false prophet) to give breath to it, (see the dichotomy in John 20:21) to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, (Jehovah’s spirit-directed organization)  and cause as many as wouldn’t worship the image of the beast to be killed.” 

Is it not true that the GB say, “whatever ‘Jehovah’s organization’ tells us to do, that is the decree to obey”?  That is the “image” speaking. 

John 16:2 - They will put you out of the synagogues. Yes, the time comes that whoever kills you will think that he offers service to God. They will do these thingsbecause they have not known the Father, nor me.

15 minutes ago, Moise Racette said:

That focus has also been confused by witnesses that believe Jesus became King in 33CE. Poster needs to better interpert scripture for a qualified, audience understanding.

Will a quote from your leaders be enough of a qualification for you?  

"After Jesus says this, an amazing thing happens. He begins going up into heaven, as you can see here. Then a cloud hides him from sight, and the disciples don’t see Jesus again. Jesus goes to heaven, and he begins to rule over his followers on earth from there."

My Book of Bible Stories, #104

YHWH says to my Lord, “Sit at my right hand,
    until I make your enemies your footstool for your feet.”
2 YHWH will send out the rod of your strength out of Zion.
    Rule among your enemies."

TAKE YOUR BLINDERS OFF!  LOOK AT THE WORD, RULE!  That means Jesus was ruling in the first century!  Over whom?

Who are part of Zion?

"giving thanks to the Father, who made us fit to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light, 13 who delivered us out of the power of darkness, and translated us into the Kingdom of the Son of his love, 14 in whom we have our redemption, the forgiveness of our sins. 15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation."  Col 1:12-15

 "But you have come to Mount Zion, and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to innumerable multitudes of angels, 23 to the festal gathering and assembly of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect, 24 to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better than that of Abel."  Heb 12:22-24

This rulership since the first century, over Christ's anointed, lasted for a symbolic thousand years. His faithful ones were enrolled in heaven even though they may have been alive on the earth.

He said to them, “I saw Satan having fallen like lightning from heaven. 19 Behold, I give you authority to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy. Nothing will in any way hurt you. 20 Nevertheless, don’t rejoice in this, that the spirits are subject to you, but rejoice that your names are written in heaven.”  Luke 10

Satan was "not perceiving" how to deceive these faithful ones when he "fell".  But at the end of the thousand years, he was let out of the abyss, out of Hades, ("not perceiving")and has deceive the remnant of holy ones, through false prophets, and their organization.  Matt 24:24,25; 2 Tim 4:1; Rev 16:13-16; Rev 20:7-9

God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many

portions and in many ways, ² in these last days has spoken to us in His

Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also he

made the world. ³ And he is the radiance of His glory and the

exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the

word of his power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the

right hand of the Majesty on high, ⁴ having become as much better than

the angels, as he has inherited a more excellent name than they.

⁵ For to which of the angels did He ever say,

“You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You”?

And again,

“I will be a Father to Him
And He shall be a Son to Me”?

⁶ And when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says,

“And let all the angels of God worship him.”  Hebrews 1

"and upholds all things by the word of His power."

This signifies that since the first century, Christ has retained an active rulership in the heavens. Ps 110:1,2

1914 is a lie.

Any JW who has been in the organization for a number of years, knows specifically who "Israel" is.  But I see you are bending (crookedly) to Babylonian "new light" introduced by G. Loesch  - that ALL JWs are NOW considered the Temple of God. 

If all JWs are "Israel", meaning they are all  God's chosen anointed priests, then there wouldn't have been the need for the Wt. statement I posted, saying that the elders "represent the priesthood"...would there!

You, are creating a diverting doctrine from the word of God.  

Revelation 11:1,2 tells us that spiritual "Gentiles" have entered the spiritual Temple of God.  That Temple is stated as a priesthood of "living stones" in  1 Pet 2:5,9, 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22

 They are the Body of Christ - priests under their High Priest,Jesus Christ.  

5 hours ago, Moise Racette said:

Now, trampling of the anointed is nothing more than fake news by fake anointed. 2 Peter 1:2-4

By the lack of following God's law, I just don't see how.

Allen, for the sake of other readers, can you tell me where it is stated in the Holy Scriptures, that God’s chosen anointed priests of “Israel” can be replaced or ‘represented’ by those not anointed – by “foreigners”/”Gentiles”?    (Isa 43:10; 1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17)

Again, can you tell me where in God’s decrees, does His “law” approve of the replacement of His chosen priesthood?

“Representing the royal priesthood are appointed elders, who serve in positions of responsibility in congregations of Jehovah’s people around the world.” 

Rather than challenge their authority, we truly appreciate our hardworking elders!” 2002/8/1

 Where are the scriptures that validate this action as a blessing from God? 

49 minutes ago, BroRando said:

To claim that Jesus is not the one anointed by Jehovah in this scripture shows your lack of understanding.  

I never did claim that. Why would I?  It is clear in God's word  that he is the Anointed One.  In fact, I am the one who brought scriptures to attention here.  Why do you lie?

49 minutes ago, BroRando said:

Interesting how none of the Apostles worshipped Jesus... and they even greeted one another with this greeting:

Do you remember what John said about the activities of Jesus on this earth?  

"And there are also many other things that Jesus did, which, if every one of them were written down, I suppose not even the world itself could contain the books that would be written."  John 21:25

You can't make that claim when we don't know everything that the apostles experienced, especially the apostle Paul who was knocked to the ground by the blinding light of Christ.  Acts chapter 9.  Besides, he is one of the "24 elders" in Revelation 5:13-14 who bow down in worship to the Almighty God and to the Lamb.  

49 minutes ago, BroRando said:

There's a reason why you have been removed from our congregations. You are well aware by now that you are being block by the angels who are the reapers from re-entry.

I rejected organization, 1914, and the power of a wicked slave over the anointed body of Christ. Their "Beast"/spirit-directed organization disfellowships/"kills" any who stand up to their idol. John 16:2; Rev 13:15. 

The reason why you are still in, is because you are falling in line with all the other false prophets that this organization has bred.  I am sorry, truly sorry for you inability to understand. 

On 1/11/2023 at 4:48 PM, AnnaNana said:

The attack by the nations will start at God's organization. (Jehovah put his name on his organization, just like the ancient Israelites had the house that bore his name. Just as the ancient Israelites became worse in their worship than the surrounding nations, so also today.)

Some of your points I agree with, but this one, certainly not.  Where does God put His name?  It is on "New Jerusalem", not on an earthly organization built by men in the world still dominated by Satan, where child abuse, the trampling of the anointed, (2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1-3), oppression, the lust for riches in this world...all disgusting in the sight of the Almighty God.  It is a disgrace to say that God blesses corruption.  

He has an "organization", a spiritual one built on the Body of Christ.  That Heavenly Temple is where His name will be written.  

(John 2:19-21; Matt 16:18; Isa 43:10; 1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16; 2 Cor 6:16-18; Eph 2:20-22;  Gal 4:26;  Rev 3:12; 2 Cor 11:2; 21:1-3; 22:17)

5 hours ago, BroRando said:

Here you see another mis-use of the word of worship in also the Hebrew Scripture.

And he said, Nay; but as prince of the host of Jehovah am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my lord unto his servant? Joshua 5:14 ASV

The word in Joshua is

שָׁחָה shâchâh, shaw-khaw'; a primitive root; to depress, i.e. prostrate (especially reflexive, in homage to royalty or God):—bow (self) down, crouch, fall down (flat), humbly beseech, do (make) obeisance, do reverence, make to stoop, worship.

Remember the word you said that was “mistranslated” in Heb 1:6 is

Strong’s G4352 - proskynéō,  “prostrate oneself in homage (do reverence to, adore):—worship.”

In the Greek scriptures, Wt. uses “obeisance” in connection with Jesus because the word seems to lessen the impact of giving “worship”.  We may do obeisance to a worldly king, but JWs cannot comprehend that the Son of God deserves more than their interpretation of worship.  And although you exalt the false prophet Russell’s teachings, those early Bible Students did worship Christ.  But with the exaltation of a president and subsequently, a governing body, Jesus’ role was diminished. Men have exalted themselves above heaven.  (Dan 8:11; Isa 14:13-14)

That “angel” in your scripture was the Logos, Jesus Christ.  How sad that you and all JWs have demeaned the role of the only begotten Son of God, who chose to come to earth to save a people whom he created, (John 1:3; Col 1:16);  and suffered the most cruel death of any man who has walked this earth, giving up his life for those who turn to God and desire to obey Him and the teachings of Christ.  Jesus deserves our worship, and it is pointed out that he IS worshiped in Revelation 5:13-14 

 ^“I heard every created thing which is in heaven, on the earth, under the earth, on the sea, and everything in them, saying, “To Him who sits on the throne (God), and to the Lamb (Jesus) be the blessing, the honor, the glory, and the dominion, forever and ever! Amen!” ¹⁴ The four living creatures said, “Amen!” Then the elders fell down and worshiped.

When you see him coming in his glory, and face him in judgment, you too will wish you had not listened to stiff-necked leaders and their lies, and had given him the worship and attention to his word, that God expect us to give him.  I am so disgusted at the Wt’s continual trampling on the Son of God, where His people, the anointed are found. (Isa 43:10; 1 Pet 2:5,9; Col 2:8; Rev 13:5-7,10)  And this people of “Israel” are also trampled down by “Gentile”/elders who have  robbed them of their position as a priesthood.  (Matt 24:15,16; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 9:1-4, 11:1-3)  Whatever is done to those members of Christ’s body, it is done to Christ.  If these anointed “living stones” are rejected, so is Christ, the chief cornerstone of the spiritual Temple of God.  (Dan 8:13; 11:36; Luke 10:16)  It is the elder body who is honored and exalted over God's chosen ones.  (Eccl 10:5-7)

“For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, ²⁷ but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. ²⁸ Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. ²⁹ Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace? ³⁰ For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” says the Lord. And again, “The Lord will judge His people.” ³¹ It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

5 hours ago, BroRando said:

Remember you never knew that the Jewish Passover was celebrated during twilight until one of Jehovah's Witnesses educated you on the matter and that the Memorial of Christ is commemorated after Sunset.

Where did Watchtower learn about the dates of Passover?  From the Jews, it is common knowledge.  And, this organization “celebrates” the memorial of Christ’s death on the wrong night anyway. 

4 hours ago, BroRando said:

Your claim is that Jesus is God and anointed someone... If that was true, then who did Jesus anoint??

Jesus is not the Almighty God, but he is a Mighty God.  Isa 9:6.

The anointing:  “Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us.”  Rom 5:5

"Now it is God who strengthens us together with you in Christ, and who has anointed us. He has also put his seal on us and given us the Spirit in our hearts as a down payment."  2 Cor 1:21-22

But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and all of you know the truth.   What you have heard from the beginning is to remain in you. If what you have heard from the beginning remains in you, then you will remain in the Son and in the Father. 25 And this is the promise that he himself made to us: eternal life.

26 I have written these things to you concerning those who are trying to deceive you. 27 As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you don’t need anyone to teach you. Instead, his anointing teaches you about all things and is true and is not a lie; just as it has taught you, remain in him. 1 John 2:20,25-27

14 hours ago, BroRando said:

Psalm 45:6, 7

 ⁶  God is your throne forever and ever; The scepter of your kingdom is a scepter of uprightness. ⁷  You loved righteousness, and you hated wickedness. That is why God, your God, has anointed you with the oil of exultation more than your companions.

That is a very confusing translation.

Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of uprightness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
 You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of joy above Your fellows.  Ps 45:6,7

But of the Son He says,

“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever,
And the righteous scepter is the scepter of His kingdom.  Heb 1:8

14 hours ago, BroRando said:

The Hebrew word that was mistranslation worship actually means obeisance. 

Most of what you’ve written doesn’t make much sense, at least to me. But, if you’re going translate the word “worship” in relationship to Jesus Christ, to “obeisance”,  then let’s use the word "obeisance" where the Greek word is found in these instances also.

Luke 4:7 - And the devil said to Him, “I will give You all this domain and its glory; for it has been handed over to me, and I give it to whomever I wish. 7 Therefore if You worship before me give me obeisance , it shall all be Yours.”

Luke 4:8 -  Jesus answered him, “It is written, ‘You shall worship give obeisance to the Lord your God and serve Him only.’”

John 4:23 - But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers those who do obeisance will worship do obeisance to the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers those who do obeisance to Him.

John 4:24 - God is spirit, and those who worship do obeisance to Him must worship  do obeisance in spirit and truth.

1 Cor 14:25 - the secrets of his heart are disclosed; and so he will fall on his face and worship give obeisance to God, declaring that God is certainly among you.

Rev 22:9 - But he said to me, “Do not do that. I am a fellow servant of yours and of your brethren the prophets and of those who heed the words of this book.  Worship Give obeisance to God.”

Strong’s G4352 - proskynéō,  “prostrate oneself in homage (do reverence to, adore):—worship.”

"Obeisance" is the choice of men who have replaced the position of Jesus Christ; thus, the "antichrist".  They prefer the word "worship" ("adore") to be applied to them.