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“Notable efforts”, “sincerely tried”, “provided”, “contributed”, “assisted”. It sounds like the WT was successful in supporting the UN Charter. But, during the same time period, in another magazine… To trust any man-made substitute for God’s Kingdom makes that substitute an image, an object of worship. (Revelation 13:14, 15) Thus, encouraging reliance on political institutions, such as the United Nations, for peace and security is an illusion, a lie. Even a revived UN can never bring peace and security. God’s prophetic Word shows that the United Nations organization with its member nations “will battle with the Lamb [Christ in Kingdom power], but, because he is Lord of lords and King of kings, the Lamb will conquer them.”—Revelation 17:14. w91 6/1 p. 19-20 “What is this symbolic creature’s source of authority? Why, none other than Satan, the dragon! And just imagine! To this political monstrosity a two-horned beast (the Anglo-American World Power) is seen to make an “image,” now known as the United Nations. Many are coerced to worship the wild beast and accept its “mark” by doing things its way and letting it rule their lives. But Jehovah’s Witnesses staunchly reject the demonic mark of the wild beast!” w91 5/1 p. 22-23 This is so ironic! We see the Wt. accepted the UN’s “mark” by supporting/doing things the UN’s way - supporting their Charter - while slandering it with vile comments, in another titled magazine, most likely not made evident to the UN. Can we trust an organization that speaks evil and good out of the same mouth? “Out of the same mouth come praise and cursing. My brothers and sisters, this should not be. Can both fresh water and salt water flow from the same spring? 12 My brothers and sisters, can a fig tree bear olives, or a grapevine bear figs? Neither can a salt spring produce fresh water.” James 3:11,12 So, what really is…the man-made substitute for God’s Kingdom that defines the Beast of Revelation? Who really is…the false prophet/two horned Beast of Rev 13:11 that guides the first Beast/organization? It is the only organization that knows who God’s “saints” are, and who “makes war" against them, by blaspheming the role of the appointed priesthood designated by God. (Rev 13:5-9) It is the only organization that guarantees "peace and security". (1 Thess 5:3) If any “reject” this organization’s mark, they are “killed” - disfellowshipped. Rev 13:15 "For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles." After all, they are beasts. "They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things (a man made organization) rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen." Rom 1:21-23,25

@Srecko SostarThank you for posting the "proof". It’s interesting to note how the organization lived up to its agreement to support the Charter of the U.N. It is easy to find news and articles in the Awake magazine on the U.N./United Nations for those years of the organization’s membership. During that time period and in that magazine particularly, it wasn't all about the UN as the "Beast" of Revelation, but relating to its works world-wide.

"Jehovah" will not forgive him until the elders say he has.

I'm guessing you are referring to my last comment? If I can make a simple suggestion without your taking offense, read the Greek scriptures starting with Matthew. In all honesty, ask God for Holy Spirit's direction as you read. It's important to know that the apostle Paul related that there are those who teach "another Jesus", so it's imperative to understand just what Jesus taught us, without the influence of men who have failed so many times in telling the truth. "For if he who comes preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or if you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted—you may well put up with it!" 2 Cor 11:4

Have you forgotten? You ARE Allen Smith.

Only the spiritually blind would not comprehend that the falsehoods your organization has promoted as "truth"...are really, truly, most definitely - lies. (John 12:40) You are right. We are either for the God of Truth, or the god of the lie. Jesus told us how to discern the difference between good fruit and bad fruit – good teachings and bad teachings. It is not according to how it looks, but how it spiritually nourishes. He told us that in the last days there would be false apostles, false “christs”/anointed, false teachers/wolves in sheep's clothing – all claiming to be sent by him, who would deceive his own people – the “elect”. They would produce bad fruit. Should we throw caution to the wind and reject his warnings? (Matt 7:15-20; 24:23,24; Luke 21:8; Acts 20:29) If you were offered two pieces of fruit from two different trees, you have a choice of which one you would like to eat. However, after taking a few bites of the one you chose, you find it rotting in the center of it. What will you do, continue to relish that piece of fruit? Wouldn’t you throw it away and choose another piece? If you realized that the tree producing the rotting fruit is diseased, causing all of its fruit to be unfit to eat, wouldn’t you choose the other healthy tree for your access of good fruit? What if a JW walked up to an elder and told him that he wanted to present the Revelation Book and the “Truth” book in his preaching work. The elder will say, “Haven’t you heard? We are discarding those books, along with many others.” Your leaders have been sporadically discarding past publications since the organization's inception. Consider that each book discarded, is a piece of fruit with rotten teachings found within its pages, that even your leaders must hide from you. (Prov 10:11) Also, any donated funds used to publish “fruit” no longer offered by your leaders, went down the drain with the books. And you say, God is with this organization - an organization of wasteful teachings, rotten fruit? To claim that you choose God, while another who rejects rotten teachings by your organization, as having chosen Satan, is a very twisted concept. God sent His Son to teach us how to discern false prophets, and those whom he sends. (John 15:4-8,16) God also does not excuse falsehoods that place people’s feet on a crooked path. (Prov 2:10-15) But JWs, are excusing your teachers’ inability to produce lasting fruit – fruit that does not expire. Doesn’t the Father expects us to take Jesus’ words to heart? (Matt 17:5) This is the decision we must make, and it is cut and dry. Either we listen to Christ’s teachings and warnings, or the teachings of men who falsely prophesy, and who will bite your hand if you dare not feed into their self-imposed dominance, over all of Christ’s servants. Read Micah 3:5-7 (Matt 24:48-51) “Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly.” James 3:1 “But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves.” Because your teachers influence JWs to “eat” their diseased fruit, they are not the only ones “denying” Jesus Christ, by denying his teachings. All JWs are involved. How so? “But I tell you, on the day of judgment people will have to give an accounting for every careless or useless word they speak. 37 For by your words [reflecting your spiritual condition] you will be justified and acquitted of the guilt of sin; and by your words [rejecting Me] you will be condemned and sentenced.” Matt 12:36,37 AMP We must remember that Jesus, the “light of the world”, would not produce the darkness found in discarded teachings. (John 8:12; 12:46) “for the fruit of the light consists of all goodness, righteousness, and truth” Eph 5:9 Why do you feel it necessary to uphold an organization known for its “useless words”, that your leadership at one time called, “knowledge”? “Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to you, avoiding irreverent and empty speech and contradictions from what is falsely called knowledge. By professing it, some people have departed from the faith. Grace be with you all.” 1 Tim 6:20,21

I know my presence here is intolerable to JWs. Many times, I have thought of leaving and never returning. (Matt 10:14) Although, I do appreciate those who visit this forum and believe in the words of Christ over the words of men. (John 8:31; 2 Tim 4:3) I admit also that I have noticed fleeting remarks made by you and a few other JWs, who have expressed some empathy for those not in the organization. But this thought conflicts with your teachings, that only those faithful to the organization, will “live forever”. (Exod 23:13,24,32; Isa 57:13; Rev 13:1,2,4 ) It must create a personal struggle for some who care to reach out, but still fully believe that all outside the organization will be destroyed. Yet, every sin committed by your leadership is passed by, ignored and forgotten by the mind; developing a harden crust over your heart. (Matt 13:13-15) This prevents you from distinguishing truth from a lie, good from evil. The heart of a JW cannot discern the importance of the “holy” priesthood, from the “profane” – the elder body not only “representing the royal priesthood” but trampling its voice into the dust. (Ps 52:1-7; Hos 4:6-9; Jer 18:12; John 3:20) (Ezek 44:6-10,23,24; Jer 12:10,11; Dan 11:31; Mark 13:14;Rev 11:2) The organization has hidden its worst crimes from its members; yet meticulously keeps record of each individual’s “good” service and sinful failings; to draw upon, scrutinize and condemn. This is evil hypocrisy. (Deut 16:19; Prov 17:5; Mal 3:5) Perhaps you can you tell me where in the teachings of Jesus, this practice can be validated? (Luke 11:42,46) The eight men who guide the organization are excused of their errors in doctrine, due to their ability to smooth over their sins with continued false promises. (Isa 29:15; Jer 16:17; Prov 5:3,4; Rom 1:18; 2 Pet 2:1,2; Rev 8:10,11;13:11;17:1) If the Wt. is God’s Zion, where the law of love, and righteousness are the foundation of truth, should there be an evolutionary timetable of suffering, depression, even death as a result of doctrine initiated outside of God’s Word? (Isa 2:2,3) (Deut 4:2; Mark 7:6,8,13) “Every word of God is flawless; He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him. 6 Do not add to His words, or he will rebuke you and prove you a liar.” Prov 30:5,6 This horrific timetable has increased in magnitude as the organization has grown; through its perpetual driving force in renewed doctrine and the “false apostles” who lead you. (2 Chron 10:4,13,14; Rev 9:3-5; 13:5-7,11,12; 2 Cor 11:13; 2 Tim 3:12,13) Should millions of past and present JWs be the target of affliction by men’s bad decisions? Should anyone be disfellowshipped for calling out from under the carpet, those deliberate delusions spoken of as “truth” during its heyday? Shouldn’t these men be called out for speaking obvious lies? (Ps 94:4-7,20,21) What do you think Jesus would do in this case? Who did he say was the source of lies, and who has as their father, anyone who teaches lies? (John 8:44; Matt 7:15-20) “You reject all who stray from your decrees, for their delusions come to nothing.” Ps 119:118 “How long will you people turn My glory into shame? How long will you love delusions and seek false gods?” Ps 4:2 How can these men not inspired, be “spiritual betters” as you call them, of anyone, when they have bestowed upon themselves and their “body” of counterfeit priests, power to judge someone as not worthy of God’s grace, while deliberately hiding their own sins? (Dan 11:36; Rom 14:4; Rev 13:5) The Pharisees were experts at this. Do you know they sinned against the Holy Spirit when condemning Jesus to death? They claimed his work was demonic. (Matt 12:31,32; John 8:48; Mark 3:28-30) How many times has your composite leadership, the entire elder body, condemned an anointed one to a spiritual death when speaking against documented false teachings and prophesy, and for upholding only God’s Word through Christ? If we only knew. What we do know, is that this act of sinning against the Holy Spirit, fulfills prophesy. (John 16:2; Luke 12:11,12; Matt 10:25; John 15:20; Rev 13:15; 11:3,7) From one hub in New York, a sticky web has been spun throughout the world, creating not a “home” of enlightenment, but one of dark captivity where people adhere to the glue of the silken web, too afraid to struggle against it. (John 3:19-21; 2 Cor 6:14) They are afraid to stand for truth and justice’s sake which can lead to losing family and close friends. (Mark 8:35;Heb 10:35-39) They are alert to the consequences that they will be considered by their loved ones, as spiritually dead before God. (Mark 13:12; Luke 12:51-53) Do you believe this? Do you believe people are “dead” in God’s eyes when they are disfellowshipped for rejecting the organization? What about those who keep their faith in Christ and the Father, perpetually alive in their heart? (2 Tim 3:10-13; Rev 2:10; 13:10) How do you think Jesus feels, knowing that many leave your organization, afflicted, and tossed about by uncaring elders; while despite all their suffering, hold on even more tightly to his teachings? Your organization states that these people will die in Armageddon, primarily for rejecting your shepherds and the web of lies they continue to spin. (Jer 23:1-4) Another aspect of this entrapment is the organization’s earthly “beauty” of attraction; like a stunningly spun web, diligently perfected and organized. We’ve seen these type of spider webs in nature. We marvel at the spider’s ability to produce what appears a miraculous work. (Matt 24:24; 2 Thess 2:9; Rev 13:11,13) Yet we are told in God’s Word, that putting our trust in earthly treasures, is a trap. Can you see that your house of faith and promise in an earthly organization, is an earthly treasure? (Micah 6:9-13; Matt 6:19-20; 1 Tim 6:9; Phil 3:19) Both the physical accomplishments and the perceived humble men who speak as if sent by Christ, drowns out any internal lies spoken by them, as well as unveiled truth trumpeted from outside its walls. (Isa 58:1; Joel 2:1; Ezek 2:5,7; Rev 11:1-3) A new member here, is a perfect example of one who closes her eyes and ears to truth, to preserve the beauty she has fabricated in her mind. To her, spiritual wisdom appears to come exclusively from the eight-legged hub of beauty, as it boasts of its visual accomplishments; while at the same time, effectively hiding from JWS not only its sins, but its inability to produce lasting sayings of life. (John 15:4,16; 6:27,35,58,68) Still, this entrapment must be served and cared for, and respected. (Rev 13:4) Its prey cooperates, by leading others into its efficiently balanced web. (Prov 28:10; Ps 64:6; Jer 9:8) In Matt 24:24, Jesus spoke of false prophets misleading the “elect”, the “saints”/anointed in the last days. His use of words convey that the deceit would be so intense, it would be very possible for those who received the Holy Spirit of truth poured into their heart at the time of anointing, to also be misled. (1 John 2:20) Jesus called it a “trap” of glut and drunkenness and the pain that comes with it – a spiritual downfall from “eating” rotten fruit, and drinking from a vine of wickedness…from a brood of vipers. (Luke 21:34-36) (Matt 23:33,34; Deut 32:32,33; 29:18; Heb 12:15; Rev 8:11; Jer 13:13; Rev 14:8) Your GB refute this claim, saying no, it is not possible for the remnant to be deceived; after all, they are residing faithfully in “Jehovah’s organization”, a “safe haven” and “spiritual paradise.” (Jer 23:17; 1 Thess 5:3; Rev 16:13,14; 20:7-9) So, most likely you are thinking, what does anyone on the outside know about “truth”, right? Well, when many can see clearly Wt’s web for what it is, they perceive confusion of teachings, ugliness, suffering and entrapment; much like the tangled web of a black widow spider. They are aware that no matter how the organization presents itself on the outside, it cannot be sourced in the God of Truth and Justice. Deut 32:4 All of this is true, but I now feel it is not necessarily by happenstance that your teachings are continually changing. The enforcement layers of “new light” although born out of necessity, is WT’s inspiration of purpose, to stabilize and secure its home and trap of allurement. It is the organization’s demon inspired artwork, of carefully composed confusion. (Col 2:8; Rev 16:13-16) Even in the visual tangled web woven by a black widow, there is method to what looks like a spider’s madness. It is structured on three levels that serve to trap its prey; supporting threads, tangle threads, and at its lowest foundation zone, the spider weaves a vertical trap of silk, noted to be five times stronger than steel, on a “per-weight basis”. But will the organization – the trap of darkness, where the light from God’s Son cannot and will never shine, continue to stand through the trials it already faces? Will “Jehovah’s house”, no matter what supporting threads of new light and false promises it continues to builds with, successfully face the scrutiny God will bring upon it, for rejecting His Temple and house, that He has built through His Son? (Ps 127:1; Hos 10:13; 2 Cor 4:18; 1 John 2:17; 1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 6:19,20; Eph 2:20-22; Matt 7:24-27) "JW's" talk a lot about "the mark of true Christianity, as being love" (John 13:34,35; Matt 5:43,44); but how little love they have for anyone who does not worship, obey, and slave for, their organizational god! Overly self-righteous, they avoid those whom they deem as spiritually defective (Ecc 7:16; Rom 12:3; 3:23; James 4:6; Luke 6:42; Matt 7:1,2; Prov 16:2). It is taught that by treating sinners with coldness, we are supposedly, helping them (Rom 3:8). If we see someone in need, even if we view them as a spiritual enemy, we are to show compassion (Rom 12:20; Matt 25:35-40; 7:12) (John 3:17; 8:15), because we don't really know their heart, as it appears before God (Heb 13:2; Matt 18:10)... …as He views them (1 Sam 16:7; Prov 17:5). Even God's faithful remnant, will be seen as wicked enemies (John 16:2; Rev 11:3,7-9; Matt 25:42-46). The self-righteous, are judged by Christ, as "goats" (2 Cor 11:15). The meaning of God's Word of truth, does not change. So what are the minds of "JW's" slaves to? Not to truth (Deut 11:18; Rev 22:4), but to men and their doctrines (Rev 13:16; Matt 15:9). That's called idolatry (Isa 40:25; Rev 13:4,17,8). Bible prophecy has foretold that all this would take place as a test before the end (Matt 24:9-13,22,24,25; 7:14). Wicked Steward/Shunning/Idolatry/Witnessing/Provisions/Refuge Surely the arm of the Lord is not too short to save, nor his ear too dull to hear. 2 But your iniquities have separated you from your God; your sins have hidden his face from you, so that he will not hear. 3 For your hands are stained with blood, your fingers with guilt. Your lips have spoken falsely, and your tongue mutters wicked things. 4 No one calls for justice; no one pleads a case with integrity. They rely on empty arguments, they utter lies; they conceive trouble and give birth to evil. 5 They hatch the eggs of vipers and spin a spider’s web. Whoever eats their eggs will die, and when one is broken, an adder is hatched. 6 Their cobwebs are useless for clothing; they cannot cover themselves with what they make. Their deeds are evil deeds, and acts of violence are in their hands. 7 Their feet rush into sin; they are swift to shed innocent blood. They pursue evil schemes; acts of violence mark their ways. 8 The way of peace they do not know; there is no justice in their paths. They have turned them into crooked roads; no one who walks along them will know peace. 9 So justice is far from us, and righteousness does not reach us. We look for light, but all is darkness; for brightness, but we walk in deep shadows. 10 Like the blind we grope along the wall, feeling our way like people without eyes. At midday we stumble as if it were twilight; among the strong, we are like the dead. 11 We all growl like bears; we moan mournfully like doves. We look for justice, but find none; for deliverance, but it is far away. 12 For our offenses are many in your sight, and our sins testify against us. Our offenses are ever with us, and we acknowledge our iniquities: 13 rebellion and treachery against the Lord, turning our backs on our God, inciting revolt and oppression, uttering lies our hearts have conceived. 14 So justice is driven back, and righteousness stands at a distance; truth has stumbled in the streets, honesty cannot enter. 15 Truth is nowhere to be found, and whoever shuns evil becomes a prey. The Lord looked and was displeased that there was no justice. 16 He saw that there was no one, he was appalled that there was no one to intervene; so his own arm achieved salvation for him, and his own righteousness sustained him. 17 He put on righteousness as his breastplate, and the helmet of salvation on his head; he put on the garments of vengeance and wrapped himself in zeal as in a cloak. 18 According to what they have done, so will he repay wrath to his enemies and retribution to his foes; he will repay the islands their due. 19 From the west, people will fear the name of the Lord, and from the rising of the sun, they will revere his glory. For he will come like a pent-up flood that the breath of the Lord drives along. 20 “The Redeemer will come to Zion, to those in Jacob who repent of their sins,” declares the Lord. 21 “As for me, this is my covenant with them,” says the Lord. “My Spirit, who is on you, will not depart from you, and my words that I have put in your mouth will always be on your lips, on the lips of your children and on the lips of their descendants—from this time on and forever,” says the Lord. Isa 59

You're calling the official of the UN a liar. His phone number is listed on the letter. You have the opportunity to tell him directly, that he is a liar. “All these elements with the exception of the 2030 Agenda for Sustainable Development, which was agreed on and adopted in 2015, were applicable when the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society applied for and maintained, association with the United Nations, from 1991 to 2001”

I now know what it means. This video revealed a clip from a talk given by David Splane at an assembly. @4Jah2me, I transcribed David Splane’s pretend conversation to God's prophets from the past; "as if they (GB) are addressing children", as the video brings out. “No Abraham, that child does not need to be circumcised." “David, you’re not a king anymore. If you want a glass of water, you’ll have to get up and get it yourself.” “Samuel, I know you’re grateful to be resurrected, but we don’t offer animal sacrifices anymore. So please, put that knife down and leave that bull alone” While these three were inspired by God, David Splane is inspired by his own foolishness; just when you think their (GB) stupidity regarding the power of God, could get any worse. "But this is how God fulfilled what he had foretold through all the prophets, saying that his Messiah would suffer. 19 Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out, that times of refreshing may come from the Lord, 20 and that he may send the Messiah, who has been appointed for you—even Jesus. 21 Heaven must receive him until the time comes for God to restore everything, as he promised long ago through his holy prophets. 22 For Moses said, ‘The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your own people; you must listen to everything he tells you. 23 Anyone who does not listen to him will be completely cut off from their people.’ 24 “Indeed, beginning with Samuel, all the prophets who have spoken have foretold these days. 25 And you are heirs of the prophets and of the covenant God made with your fathers. He said to Abraham, ‘Through your offspring all peoples on earth will be blessed.’ 26 When God raised up his servant, he sent him first to you to bless you by turning each of you from your wicked ways.” Acts 3:18-26 Psalm 110 Of David. A psalm. 1 The Lord says to my lord: “Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet.” 1 Cor 15:25; Heb 1:13 Rom 4:6-8 - "Just as David also speaks of the blessing of the person to whom God credits righteousness apart from works: 7 Blessed are those whose lawless acts are forgiven and whose sins are covered. 8 Blessed is the person the Lord will never charge with sin."

It is taught that God directs your organization through its leadership. We can conclude that God backed the leadership’s plan to “support and respect the principles of the Charter of the United Nations”….”the values of the organization and its work and mission”…”to promote knowledge of its principles and activities in accordance with its own aims and purposes and the nature and scope of its competence and activities”. (All of this is in the letter) For nine years the Wt agreed to support and respect the principles of UN– and at the same time, God directed your leaders to expose this UN Beast and its principles, as wicked. What is this, some sort of spiritual espionage? It sounds to me that for nine years the WT bore the “mark” of what it calls Revelation’s Beast. (Rev 13:16,17) “What does this mean? A mark in the right hand is an appropriate symbol of active support. w97 11/1 p. 15-16 But your God whole-heartedly allowed this to occur. He allowed his servants to speak out of both sides of the mouth. The God that I worship, is not a hypocrite.

Read the letter. To have access to the library, it did not require becoming an NGO.

Not necessary, according to the U.N. So, what was their reason for joining Watchtowers prophesied Beast, as an NGO? What is their reason today for doing so in other countries. How many JWs will continue to turn a deaf ear to Watchtower's excuses?

Here's an update on obeying "Jehovah's organization" - Moses conscientiously followed Jehovah’s detailed instructions for the construction and setting up of the tabernacle. We should likewise listen to any instructions we receive from Jehovah’s organization and obey promptly and wholeheartedly. This is true even if it does not seem important to follow them or we do not understand the reason for the instructions.—Lu 16:10. mwb20 November p. 2 "But solid food belongs to those who are of full age, that is, those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil." Heb 5:14 This is a weird comparison of Moses, a prophet in direct contact with God and who obeyed His instructions...made to JW members obeying the instructions of an organization. But, I'm getting the comparison. Incredibly, it was stated just recently in a broadcast, that the elder body "represents God". The elder body basically comprises the internal workings of the organization - supporting the image of the organization, as spirit-directed. (Rev 13:15) What they teach, judge, and justify is God speaking, since they "represent God" and the organization. Not only do they represent God, they "represent the royal priesthood" - the anointed Temple of God. (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17 My goodness, the "man of lawlessness" who sits/rules in the Temple of God, is becoming stark naked before all. "Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God (1 Pet 2:9; 1 Cor 3:16,17) or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God ."

Excellent explanation, and shocking at the same time. At that time, the life-saving direction that we receive from Jehovah’s organization may not appear practical from a human standpoint. All of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not. (4) Now is the time for any who may be putting their trust in secular education, material things, or human institutions to adjust their thinking. The elders must stand ready to help any who may now be wavering in their faith. w13 11/15 p. 20

I have never said that there is no need for gatherings to study God's Word. If this was true, I wouldn't point out the many times I have here, of the preventative measures of your elder body against the anointed gathering as one body, under their Head, Jesus Christ. They are told that gathering to study the Word of God, threatens the organization's unity. It surely doesn't effect God or Christ, since it is spoken in His Word, that this unity of the anointed, brings about the completion of the Temple. (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:19-20) It's like you said: Rom 12:1,2 - "I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that you present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God, which is your reasonable service. 2 And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God." Firstly, this is about the anointed gathering under Christ. And, I wish the anointed and all JWs, would see the directional impact that this scripture should have on their heart and mind. There is much conformity to the approval of men in the WT. You are blind to it. What I have stated, is that there is no need for an organization, your "mountain", set in place by the earthly standards of men, to lead us to salvation. Zech 4:6,7

God spoke of his nation under covenant as "children". When they sinned, it was obvious that they lost their "value system" in God's laws. We choose our father, we choose our course to follow - either we desire to become children of the Almighty Father, or children of the devil. John 8:44 I'm sure the devoted "children" of Jonestown believed their leaders valued their life, and they valued their own. Were these people, "Christians"? Did they adopt Christian values? What were the beliefs of Peoples Temple members? https://jonestown.sdsu.edu/?page_id=35356 Although a variety of beliefs existed in Peoples Temple, two main systems of thought can be identified. The first system, which tended to be concentrated in Jim Jones and a small leadership corps, comprised a belief in the salvific power of socialism. Somewhat atheistic, or at best agnostic, in nature, this belief resembled humanism in its understanding of the power of human beings to re-create and re-shape reality for the benefit of all. In this view, religion could be used to attract people into the organization so that the real message of Christianity — radical sharing and mutual support — could actually be lived. The second belief system in the Temple, and by far the largest, was a traditional Christianity which emphasized the prophetic call to social justice and a belief that the kingdom of God could be established on earth by living in an apostolic community. This system resembled the Social Gospel movement of the late 19th and early 20th centuries in its commitment to solving social problems; at the same time, however, the group had utopianist ideals which could only be lived out through the establishment of a community separate from the evil and injustice of the rest of the world, especially America. Read the following quote posted on another forum. Do you see anything that sounds familiar with your beliefs; anything in this quote that strikes a familiar chord? I do, and as they say; familiarity breeds contempt. Deborah Layton, escapee, months before the Jim Jones, Jonestown Massacre - "When your own thoughts are forbidden, when your questions are not allowed and our doubts are punished, when contacts with friendships outside of the organization are censored, we are being abused for the ends never justify the means. When our heart aches knowing we have made friendships and secret attachments that will be forever forbidden if we leave, we are in danger. When we consider staying in a group because we cannot bear the loss, disappointment and sorrow our leaving will cause for ourselves and those we may have come to love, we are in a cult... If there is any lesson to be learned it is that an ideal can never be brought about by fear, abuse, and the threat of retribution. When family and friends are used as a weapon in order to force us to stay in an organization, something has gone terribly wrong." (page 299 - excerpt from book, Seductive Poison). Quote @Srecko Sostar - From given JW preaching, it could be concluded that WTJWorg considers its religious teachings as the foundation for its own religious morality. In fact, JWs claim that they are highly moral because they have “the truth”, that means "true religion" and "true teachings", "true religiosity". And because of that they are the most moral people on Earth. If they are such people, how it is possible that they collectively allow their fellow brothers aka WT lawyers to speak lies, to give false "testimony/witness"??

You're suggesting that we are being influenced by a conspiracy theory? Or rather, are we being influenced by the Holy Scriptures? You do say I use a lot of them. "For there is nothing hidden which will not be revealed, nor has anything been kept secret, but that it should come to light." Mark 4:22

I knew that. 🙂 In fact, I've shared your opinion of me, with other anointed ones whom I work with, because it is a very catchy phrase. A "faithful slave", who also believes they are every other anointed one's, "spiritual betters". Matt 24:48-51 I acknowledge that they do put their faith…in their works (organization, building, expanding, and misleading its members with lies)… …and not in something better, which I had told you previously. https://www.theworldnewsmedia.org/topic/88239-just-how-big-of-a-debacle-was-the-prophesy-of-1975/page/8/?tab=comments#comment-150784 What were you expecting, another earthly organization?

Their actions are catching up with them. The world is beginning to see the double-dealings of the GB. Only those who are "stiff-necked" in their defense of these so-called "spiritual betters", will continue to support their leaders, until their leaders fall. (Jer 17:23; Rev 17:15-17)

I removed the video since the direct link was not easily taking you to song #108, which is Watchtower's "Listen, Obey, and Be Blessed" Here is the short you tube video with the information.

So, if a congregation faces a lawsuit, resulting from say...their leadership's "two witness rule" that was enforced by the congregation's elders, the congregation gets no help whatsoever from their leaders. Yet...the buildings where the congregations meet, are owned by the organization. It's sounds very possible, that a congregation in deep legal trouble, could have its meeting place taken away from it, up and sold out from under them. So, you can only trust the GB with your spiritual food? Not even that. "The righteous care about justice for the poor, but the wicked have no such concern." Prov 29:7

We really have to look at the “thousand years” and Armageddon symbolically, and not in the physical sense. (2 Pet 3:8) God’s eternal Kingdom brings peace – lasting peace, at the finality of Armageddon. “But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming. 24 Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power. 25 For He must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet. 26 The last enemy that will be destroyed is death.” 1 Cor 15:23-26 When Christ returns, and with him are his faithful “144,000”, as well as the portion being the anointed remnant, who faithfully come out the Great Tribulation/Armageddon, (Rev 7:9,10,14,15) …it is then that he “delivers” his completed kingdom to God. The apostle Paul describes Christ’s kingdom: “For this reason, since the day we heard about you, we have not stopped praying for you. We continually ask God to fill you with the knowledge of his will through all the wisdom and understanding that the Spirit gives,[e] 10 so that you may live a life worthy of the Lord and please him in every way: bearing fruit in every good work, growing in the knowledge of God, 11 being strengthened with all power according to his glorious might so that you may have great endurance and patience, 12 and giving joyful thanks to the Father, who has qualified you to share in the inheritance of his holy people in the kingdom of light. 13 For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves, 14 in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.” Col 1:9-14 Jesus promised eternal life (living forever) to those who were obedient to his teachings and believed in him. (John 6:51; 1 John 5:11; 1 Cor 15:22) There’s absolutely no room in this teaching for any who do so today, to be tested at the end of a thousand years after Armageddon. Believing it must occur, nullifies Jesus’ teachings – totally. Wt says that it is necessary to teach resurrected ones, to bring them to up to speed. Don’t ask me what that means. Firstly, it has been proven that Wt, tells lies. Who should trust anyone who believes only those of an earthly organization based on falsehoods still enforced, will receive eternal life? Jesus said, he is the way, truth and life. He promised eternal life to faithful believers in him since the first century. (John 14:6) Before Christ, those faithful to God, held their promise in the “city with foundations, whose architect and builder is God.” (Heb 11:10) The God of the living, would not expect these faithful ones to be tested AGAIN, after the tests they had already suffered from Satan. Do these ancient ones need to be taught by JWs as well, people who cannot see the light of Christ as it is? (Luke 20:37-38) Jesus stated while on earth, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.” Matt 28:18 When a teacher walks into a classroom, the students consent to his authority to guide, teach, protect and even reprimand their unruly behavior. If a king is given authority, he doesn’t sit on the sidelines, but acts upon that given authority. Jesus had been given authority to rule and teach, over his anointed “students”, which has been ongoing throughout the last 2,000 years. When faithful through the tests Satan puts upon them, they become part of Christ’s “kingdom”. If they fail, they become his “enemies”. This is the divisive sword that Jesus explained would occur by his coming to earth. It is an ongoing harvest of the “sons of the Kingdom”. (Matt 10:34-36) (Matt 13:24-30) Ps 119:1 - “Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet.” Since Jesus and the Father work together as one, (John 10:30) not only is God putting Jesus’ enemies at his feet, but so is Jesus. “For He must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet.” 1 Cor 15:25 2 The Lord will extend your mighty scepter from Zion, saying, “Rule in the midst of your enemies!” 3 Your troops will be willing on your day of battle. Arrayed in holy splendor, your young men will come to you like dew from the morning’s womb. His troops are the sealed “144,000” who through their faithfulness to his decrees, enter the “kingdom of the Son of his love” – the “kingdom of light”. Paul said those words while on the earth, but he received his “heavenly” position in the kingdom, by his name being written in the “Lamb’s book of life”. (Rev 21:27) (Phil 4:3) And, by being a “new creation”, both human and spirit. (2 Cor 5:17; 2 Pet 3:13) So, besides putting his enemies at his feet, Jesus has been given authority to rule over his faithful anointed who are both heavenly/spiritual and earthly/human, when they receive their heavenly name in the book of life; and also when they join after their physical death, the “144,000” who are with him now in heaven, not waiting in the grave for a resurrection. They rule from heaven with Christ. This spiritual battle has been ongoing since Genesis. (Gen 3:15) Paul stressed that whatever happens on the visible earthly scene between nations, matteres not. He stressed our struggle is spiritual. (2 Cor 10:3-5) Armageddon is a spiritual war, a war of “decision” making; that is now culminating by the appearance of the last anointed ones. They must make the decision of who they choose as their head and salvation. They must choose between truth and lies. Those with them, must also make that choice. (Joel 3:14; Rev 16:13-16) These next two scriptures explain when Satan was “abyssed” – not able to “perceive” (the meaning of “abyss”/Hades), how to deceive the anointed. Luke 10:18 - He replied, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.” Rev 20:1-3 “And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain. 2 He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. 3 He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time.” When Satan “fell” into the endless symbolic abyss of “not perceiving”, the anointed at that time period didn’t face the last deception Satan constructed during these last days – the Beast who “makes war” with the anointed; and the false prophet who guides/direct the Beast to “kill” all who reject their dedication to it. (Rev 13:1,2,7,8,11,15) Jesus partially restricted the power of Satan over those who had been rescued from darkness in the first century, and over the last 2,000 years. (1 Pet 2:5,9; Col 1:13; 1 Thess 5:4-8) But, The final part of the war against the “seed” belonging to Christ, is the most deceptive. As stated, those anointed before now, never faced the two deceiving Beasts in Revelation 13 and 20 (Gog and Magog). They never gave their allegiance to the Beast. (Rev 13:4,16,17) They are the sealed anointed who were beheaded for the testimony of Christ, and given thrones to rule with Jesus during the “thousand years” which began in the first century. (Rev 20:4) But, notice in Revelation 20, the anointed “saints” are “gathered together” as a “camp”, surrounded by the enemy. That can’t happen a thousand years after the war of Armageddon is finished, since they are sealed and ruling with Christ. They cannot be deceived since they have "washed their robes in the blood of the Lamb", refined from all sin. (Rev 7:14) Ignoring this fact, is what the Beast from the Sea has accomplished with a false prophet’s help. (Rev 13:11,12) The GB/organization hide this information, and Satan gives them the power and authority to do this since his release from “not perceiving” how to deceive the remaining anointed. This occurred with advent of the organization. Jesus went on to say in Luke, 19 I have given you authority to trample on snakes and scorpions and to overcome all the power of the enemy; nothing will harm you. 20 However, do not rejoice that the spirits submit to you, but rejoice that your names are written in heaven.” Well today, the anointed are “trampled” down by the elder body, an army of locust scorpions who afflict pain on those who are not sealed in the book of life. (Rev 9:7-11) Yes, the elder body is the locust army to come against God’s people during the last days. On the other hand, the WT/GB calls Revelation’s locust scorpions, the anointed themselves - an outlandish lie. Can anyone trust these leaders who took years to realize that God’s people are not the locusts in the book of Joel? Jesus told the Pharisees, they were a brood of vipers because of the lies they spoke – snakes and scorpions are Satan’s tools used against the last anointed ones. Satan’s “seed” and Christ’s seed, are still at enmity. Not until the God’s anointed priests speak their testimony to Christ and are spiritually “killed”/disfellowshipped, do they then have power to trample on snakes and scorpions, using God’s Word in Christ. (Ps 91:13-15) (Rev 11:1-3,7-11) (Jer 23:29) The faithful anointed are joining together now, and those with them who thirst for truth. (Matt 24:27,28; 22:8-10) Rom 9:28 - Isaiah cries out concerning Israel: “Though the number of the Israelites be like the sand by the sea, only the remnant will be saved. Rev 20:7,8 - “Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them.” Rom 9:29 - 28 For the Lord will carry out his sentence on earth with speed and finality.” “I watched till thrones were put in place, And the Ancient of Days was seated; His garment was white as snow, And the hair of His head was like pure wool. His throne was a fiery flame, Its wheels a burning fire; “I was watching in the night visions, And behold, One like the Son of Man, Coming with the clouds of heaven! He came to the Ancient of Days, And they brought Him near before Him. 14 Then to Him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom, That all peoples, nations, and languages should serve Him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion, Which shall not pass away, And His kingdom the one Which shall not be destroyed. “I was watching; and the same horn (“man of lawlessness”/Beast) was making war against the saints, and prevailing against them, 22 until the Ancient of Days came, and a judgment was made in favor of the saints of the Most High, and the time came for the saints to possess the kingdom. But the court shall be seated, And they shall take away his dominion, To consume and destroy it forever. 27 Then the kingdom and dominion, And the greatness of the kingdoms under the whole heaven, Shall be given to the people, the saints of the Most High. His kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, And all dominions shall serve and obey Him.’ Dan chapter 7 In the Kingdom of God, there will not be another opportunity for Satan to deceive…anyone. Only the “righteous” in heart, will possess the earth; something JWs preach, but still believe there will be those after a thousand years, numbering as the sands of the sea, who will be found unrighteous. This is a deception that God has allowed, to test each heart’s yearning, for either truth or lies. (2 Thess 2:9-12) When Do the Anointed Become Kings?

Remember when Mark Sanderson declared in a video, that Russia is the "King of the North" when things were first heating up? “Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say to Gog: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: In that day, when my people Israel are living in safety, will you not take notice of it? 15 You will come from your place in the far north, you and many nations with you, all of them riding on horses, a great horde, a mighty army. 16 You will advance against my people Israel like a cloud that covers the land. In days to come, Gog, I will bring you against my land, so that the nations* may know me when I am proved holy through you before their eyes.” Ezek 38:14-16 Who needs to know when God is proved holy? Israel. Why does God allow this army to come against His people? It would be contradictive to say that it is just the will of the nations, to destroy an obedient Israel for no reason, and God allows this under those circumstances. I say this, because always, devastation to that nation only happened when they sinned. It only happened when they failed to give God exclusive devotion, and obey His laws. Ezek 39:2 - " I will turn you around and drag you along. I will bring you from the far north and send you against the mountains of Israel. 7 “‘I will make known my holy name among my people Israel. I will no longer let my holy name be profaned, and the nations will know that I the Lord am the Holy One in Israel. 8 It is coming! It will surely take place, declares the Sovereign Lord. This is the day I have spoken of." This is why Gog and/of Magog come against today's "Israel". They put their dedication in an organization built by men, who have a history of false doctrine. They have replaced the anointed priesthood with "Gentiles" sitting in the Temple of God. Num 18:7; 2 Chron 23:6,7; Dan 11:31,32,36; Matt 24:15,16; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1-3) The elder body "surrounds the saints", blaspheming God's Temple, and demands silence from his priests - a decree from a false prophet/Harlot. Rev 13:11,12 The elder body is the "king of the north". The GB/organization are Gog of Magog So, Russia is a false "king of the north". Whatever nation may come against JWs, and whatever David Splane has to say about them, they are not the Gog of/and Magog to come against His people today. Splane is deceiving you. He hasn't shared all of the scriptures in Ezekiel with JWs. Ezek 39:22-24 - "From that day forward the people of Israel will know that I am the Lord their God. 23 And the nations* will know that the people of Israel went into exile for their sin, because they were unfaithful to me. So I hid my face from them and handed them over to their enemies, and they all fell by the sword. 24 I dealt with them according to their uncleanness and their offenses, and I hid my face from them." What happened in the past when God hid His face from His people? All sorts of suffering came upon them. (Micah 3:1-7) Today, it is happening both outside and inside the organization. Splane says, you shouldn't be afraid of "Gog of Magog". I say, you should be fearful enough for your eternal life, that you leave the sins of "Israel" behind. Rev 18:4-8 "When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations* in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—and to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore. 9 They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them. 10 And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever." The "thousand years" were over, when the organization, a baited trap of a little truth, was born. (Ezek 38:10-12) and to gather them for battle. - Rev 13:5-7 - "The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise its authority for forty-two months. 6 It opened its mouth to blaspheme God, and to slander his name and his dwelling place and those who live in heaven. 7 It was given power to wage war with the saints and to conquer them. And it was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation."

After reading this string of comments, the person who created the topic video on 1975, has this to say, "The truth is quite nuanced about 1975. The conventions were where we went to be ‘taught by God’ and there we heard clearly that 1975 would bring the end. The publications were more cautious, or should I say devious, because they hinted at what 1975 would bring. Fifty years after those conventions the recordings are very rare. Had we all the recordings of every convention during that time the evidence would be incredible. The fact we have as many mentions of 1975 from so few recordings also speaks volumes. The facts are the WT spoke out of both sides of its mouth, just as it does today on so many shaky topics. This gives fawning apologists the opportunity to self deceive and point to certain publications to deny what was spoken in Gods name at the conventions. A clever strategy worthy of Satan himself."

Why do JWs boast about "Jehovah's organization", but then "pass the buck" when they are accused of gross sin? To 'pass the buck' is to evade responsibility by passing it on to someone else. To shift or reassign the blame or responsibility (for something) to another person, group, or thing. blame somebody or to make others responsible for a problem that you should deal with yourself.