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Does everyone who leaves the WT become Trinitarians and hellfire advocates? Speaking of hellfire, JWs do not believe this, yet on the same footing, believe God will destroy mankind (man, woman and child) with a descriptive, well-illustrated, "hellfire" at the culmination of Armageddon. This appears to be an "apostate" teaching. Jer 19:5 Apostate teachings are "lawlessness", as well as all discarded teachings of JWs which reflect lawlessness against Christ's teachings. John 15:16

Thank you John. Even more so, it is the GB's personal "clergy", that replaces God's anointed priests. Matt 24:48-51

And so the Lord says, “These people say they are mine.They honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me.And their worship of me is nothing but man-made rules learned by rote. Isa 29:13 ("Greek version reads Their worship is a farce, / for they teach man-made ideas as commands from God.Compare Mark 7:7")

What is the "temple of God"? "sits" - "to make, to sit down, to set, appoint, to confer a kingdom on one" Something/someone is exalting itself over the temple of God. If you know what the temple of God is, then you can determine the identity of the man of lawlessness.

Dear Sir, I see no scriptures to support your words, yet you are telling me I need to focus on the Bible itself. What I do notice is if I speak against a WT lie, you tend to support the lie as truth. You tend to support the GB and the organization. In this case, the WT tells the truth about who “Israel” is, since they have successfully captivated and surrounded the camp of “saints” with their lies. Col 2:8; Rev 13:1,5-7,10,11; 16:13,14; 20:9 The only way to draw prey, is with a little truth. Amos 3:5; Rev 8:10-11 It is interesting that in this case of Watchtower teachings, the truth about who spiritual “Israel” is, you are calling a lie. Jesus’ names and descriptive roles: The Logos/Word Michael (“Who Is Like God?”) Savior Master Bread of Life Faithful and True Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace…the light of the world. The role/names of Satan: Deceiver Father of the Lie the Destroyer Murderer Dragon, Apollyon, Accuser, Leviathan….the ruler of darkness. I have not watered down Jesus’ role whatsoever. But, to say Jesus Christ, the Prince of Peace, is the Destroyer, is blasphemy. Again, you show no scriptures to prove otherwise, while I already have. You appear not to see the distinction between light and darkness, evil and good, life and death. The two do not mix. Don’t become partners with those who do not believe. For what partnership is there between righteousness and lawlessness? Or what fellowship does light have with darkness? 15 What agreement does Christ have with Belial? 2 Cor 6:14,15a

Thank you, @Melinda Mills for finding this out. Now I know what the hullabaloo is all about. "Man was made in God's image and has the ability to love, appreciate wisdom, reasoning, music and poetry and worship. Animals can't do that." If animals have the ability to be fearful, joyful, loyal, even hateful, they certainly have the ability to show love - deep affection for another animal or human. I had a cat that would settled down in front of the stereo speaker to listen to classical music as soon as it began. There must have been some sort of appreciation there, in the form of contentment or pleasure.

"Spiritual Israel consist of all those under Christ (i.e. followers, converts, disciples, Apostles, heirs of the promise as mentioned in Galatians etc.), not solely the chosen ones," From the WT website: The name God gave to Jacob. It came to refer to all his descendants collectively, at any one time. The descendants of Jacob’s 12 sons were often called the sons of Israel, the house of Israel, the people (men) of Israel, or the Israelites. Israel was also used as the name for the ten-tribe northern kingdom that broke away from the southern kingdom, and later as a term for anointed Christians, “the Israel of God.”—Ga 6:16; Ge 32:28; 2Sa 7:23; Ro 9:6. nwtstg Are you anointed? Are all believers in Christ anointed? Do you believe all are part of the Temple of God that “comes down out of heaven” to bring God’s Spirit and blessings to all the children of God? Rev 3:21; 2 Tim 2:12; 1 Pet 2:5,9,10; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22 As the New Covenant/promise of life, the Bride, the firstborn of God, brings life to the rest of God’s children when united with her “Husband”. James 1:18; Rev 14:4; 21:2,3,9,10; 22:17 If God calls all His children, “Israel” in the Kingdom, so be it. “Who is Israel?” 4womaninthewilderness "how can you speak in this sense when originally you watered down what Christ will soon be doing in the glory of his Father? For, in the past, you negated what Jesus will be doing concerning the wicked persons and those who do not accept and or obey God by means of the good news gospel." John 14:6 - “I am the WAY, the TRUTH, the LIFE.” Oh, by the way, I am also the DESTROYER, EVEN THOUGH I TOLD YOU… “Very truly I tell you, I am the gate for the sheep. 8 All who have come before me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep have not listened to them. 9 I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved.[a] They will come in and go out, and find pasture. 10 The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full. John 10:7-10 God’s Word through Christ carries life. The rejection of God’s Word carries its own condemnation. Man is already under the curse of sin and death/destruction. (1 Cor 15:26) Without accepting, believing in Christ, and obeying his Word, we are left to the Destroyer. We are left to our sins as the result not accepting Christ’s redemption. John 15:10; 1 John 5:12; Gal 3:22 1 Cor 15:22 - “For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. The DESTROYER is Satan and his minions, thieves who “comes only to steal, kill and DESTROY” Isa 33:1 Jesus Christ, who is the Word of Life, is not the Destroyer. John 1:1-4 The Spirit is the one who gives life. The flesh doesn’t help at all. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life. John 6:63 “Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the one to come.” Matt 12:32 I was giving this person a chance to explain his feelings. Why do you bring it up? Life as a JW is hard enough to make sense of the Word of God. Tossing your hat into the ring is part of the “confusion” prevalent during the last days. Rev 17:5 (Isa 28:15)

Can you explain?

To get to the meaningful core of what Armageddon is about, which is the battle of truth against lies, we look at Israel’s sins of the past. Today’s spiritual “Israel” comprised of the anointed ones, is also steeped in sin, resulting from a testing delusion put upon them by Satan; a delusion that is passionately called “the truth”. Luke 22:31; 2 Thess 2:9-12; Rev 13:1,2,11 God does expect us to seek Truth. Ps 25:5; Matt 7:7,8; John 4:23,24; 8:31,32; 14:6 Yet, today’s “Israel” is feeding on the lies of their leaders/prophets. Matt 7:15; Acts 20:29; Rev 16:13,14 When reading Ezekiel chapter 13, notice that the term “whitewash” helps reveal what is behind the organization’s ‘new light’ label. Many translations use the phrase, “untempered mortar”, a few say “loose mud”, or “chalk”; all are descriptive of the organization’s attempt to cover over unstable teachings that do not last. John 15:16,5 “untempered mortar” is defined as “whitewash" used to patch a wall, creating the facade of beauty. As an example: Matt 23:37 – “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones of the dead and everything unclean.” Why were these teachers described by Jesus as whitewashed tombs? “You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me! 46 Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me? 47 Whoever belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.” John 8:44-47 By choosing to deny Christ’s words of truth which offer eternal life, they remained in spiritual darkness, alienated from God and life. “The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you—they are full of the Spirit and life.” John 6:63 “If we claim to have fellowship with him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live out the truth.” 1 John 1:6 The battle of truth against lies was evident then, and is now, as it reaches the end point in these last days. The “two witnesses” (“two “meaning truth – John 8:17) proclaim the revealing message from Christ, while false prophets battle against it, with their lies. Dan 12:9; Rev 1:11; 11:3; 1 John 4:6 Ezekiel chapter 13: The word of the Lord came to me: 2 “Son of man, prophesy against the prophets of Israel who are now prophesying. Say to those who prophesy out of their own imagination: ‘Hear the word of the Lord!3 This is what the Sovereign Lord says: Woe to the foolish (“wicked”) prophets who follow their own spirit and have seen nothing! 4 Your prophets, Israel, are like jackals among ruins. (Lam 5:17,18; Ps 44:19) 5 You have not gone up to the breaches in the wall to repair it for the people of Israel so that it will stand firm in the battle on the day of the Lord. ( Ezek 22:30) 6 Their visions are false and their divinations a lie. Even though the Lord has not sent them, they say, “The Lord declares,” and expect Him to fulfill their words. (Ps 50:21; Isa 57:11) 7 Have you not seen false visions and uttered lying divinations when you say, “The Lord declares,” though I have not spoken? (Ezek 22:28; Rev 16:13,14) 8 “‘Therefore this is what the Sovereign Lord says: Because of your false words and lying visions, I am against you, declares the Sovereign Lord.9 My hand will be against the prophets who see false visions and utter lying divinations. They will not belong to the council of my people or be listed in the records of Israel, nor will they enter the land of Israel. Then you will know that I am the Sovereign Lord. (Rev 13:8) 10 “‘Because they lead my people astray, saying, “Peace,” when there is no peace, and because, when a flimsy wall is built, they cover it with whitewash, (Jer 23:13,17; 1 Thess 5:3) 11 therefore tell those who cover it with whitewash that it is going to fall. Rain will come in torrents, and I will send hailstones hurtling down, and violent winds will burst forth. 12 When the wall collapses, will people not ask you, “Where is the whitewash you covered it with?” 13 “‘Therefore this is what the Sovereign Lord says: In my wrath I will unleash a violent wind, and in my anger hailstones and torrents of rain will fall with destructive fury. (Ps 18:12,13; Isa 30:30 [Heb 12:1] Ps 147:17,18; Matt 24:30; Rev 11:3,5; Rev 8:7; Matt 7:24,25} 14 I will tear down the wall you have covered with whitewash and will level it to the ground so that its foundation will be laid bare. (Matt 7:26,27; 1 Cor 3:10,13) When it falls, you will be destroyed in it; and you will know that I am the Lord. 15 So I will pour out my wrath against the wall and against those who covered it with whitewash. I will say to you, “The wall is gone and so are those who whitewashed it,16 those prophets of Israel who prophesied to Jerusalem and saw visions of peace for her when there was no peace, declares the Sovereign Lord.”’ Pearl Doxsey: I have come to appreciate, that "walls" stand for doctrines/teachings. Just as the city wall protects the city from their enemies, so do doctrines defend against threats to faith, but they also offer boundaries to keep a "flock" in an enclosure. My point, is that Ezekiel "dug" a hole in the wall. (Ezek 12:4-7) We know the meaning of "digging" (Prov 2:2-5; Matt 13:44), and when we combine these symbols (digging, wall) I take it as scrutiny of teachings (1 John 4:1; 1 Thess 5:21) which weakens a wall of false doctrine, just as digging holes in a literal wall would. We are told (according to this symbolism) that the "wall" of apostate Jerusalem will fall (see Ezekiel 13:10,11,12,14,15), no matter how much they "whitewash" their teachings. I am certain of this connection and meaning of "wall", because the fall of Jericho’s wall is inextricably linked with the "end", and to Revelation (Heb 11:30; Luke 21:20; Josh 6:15,20,8; Rev 8:2,6). The "wall" of false teachings will "fall", leaving all those within that city defenseless and conquered. The wall they trusted in will fail them. (From “Wall/Christ’s Side” 4womaninthewilderness) As a child, I was occasionally assigned to clean the chalk boards after school, using water and a large cloth. Most children rode the bus home to the far reaches of the farming community I lived in. I was one of the few who walked home from school, which gave me the opportunity to stay longer. I remember the satisfaction of washing away the day’s writings to reveal a clean board, ready for the new day’s teachings. JWs, from the outset, the organization has added layers and layers of decaying interpretations to its doctrines, like smudged chalk accumulating on a dirty chalkboard. This is the reality behind the organization’s new light philosophy. In its history, it has never returned to the clean pure truth of Christ’s Word. To understand why God allows his people to submit to this powerful delusion, please see: “Who is to Blame?” “Spreading Tribulation – Tainted or Tested?” “Satan’s Fall” 4womaninthewilderness blogspot

I'm curious how the convention grapples with 1 John 4:18: There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love. In a haven of well-practiced "punishment", does love exist? In such an environment, would fear not exist?

(Edited) When Rutherford gave that speech, did he have his listeners' interests at heart? This was nothing but a lie that people like you believed in, and lived for. From 1918 to 1925 his message was preached with anticipation and excitement, by members like you. (The Proclaimer’s Book called it “an exciting message”) When the dust settled, did he have remorse for misleading the congregants? No, he shifted the blame for his false prediction on the members. “It was stated in the ‘Millions’ book that we might reasonably expect them (referring to the resurrection) to return shortly after 1925, but this was merely an expressed opinion; besides it is still shortly after 1925. … Some anticipated that the work would end in 1925, but the Lord did not state so. The difficulty was that the friends inflated their imaginations beyond reason; and that when their imaginations burst asunder, they were inclined to throw away everything.” Watch Tower 1926 pp.196, 232 How many do you believe were stumbled to see the blame put on them? Was it merely an expressed opinion? Or was it taught as truth? “The date 1925 is even more distinctly indicated by the Scriptures because it is fixed by the law God gave to Israel. Viewing the present situation in Europe, one wonders how it will be possible to hold back the explosion much longer; and that even before 1925 the great crisis will be reached and probably passed.” Watch Tower 1922 Sep 1 p.262 Does this shifting of the blame sound familiar? It should. You just recently saw it in action regarding 1975. Did these two mistakes happen “while keeping on the watch”? The leaders of the Watchtower may have various personalities, but their vision is the same; to keep their listeners in their seats by promising them a paradise based on empty speeches. No, this is not about me, but about the anointed ones in the organization, as well as all JWs who are captivated by WT’s empty promises. It is about YOU. Col 2:8 - "See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the elemental spiritual forces of this world, rather than on Christ." JWs have bought into the organization’s setting the bar higher for the philosophies of the world, and lower for its own philosophies or “empty speeches”. The instituting of new light when an old prophesy fails is quite the opposite of what God expects of his anointed priests. “And now, you priests, this warning is for you. 2 If you do not listen, and if you do not resolve to honor My name,” says the Lord Almighty, “I will send a curse on you, and I will curse your blessings. Yes, I have already cursed them, because you have not resolved to honor Me. 3 “Because of you I will rebuke your descendants; I will smear on your faces the dung from your festival sacrifices, and you will be carried off with it. 4 And you will know that I have sent you this warning so that my covenant with Levi may continue,” says the Lord Almighty. 5 “My covenant was with him, a covenant of life and peace, and I gave them to him; this called for reverence and he revered Me and stood in awe of My name. 6 True instruction was in his mouth and nothing false was found on his lips. He walked with Me in peace and uprightness, and turned many from sin. 7 “For the lips of a priest ought to preserve knowledge, because he is the messenger of the Lord Almighty and people seek instruction from his mouth. 8 But you have turned from the way and by your teaching have caused many to stumble; you have violated the covenant with Levi,”says the Lord Almighty. 9 “So I have caused you to be despised and humiliated before all the people, because you have not followed My ways but have shown partiality in matters of the law.” Mal 2:1-9 The GB does not honor God with their failed predictions that you excuse as a moment of ‘”making a mistake while keeping on the watch”. They are more concerned about honoring their organization…and apparently dancing to its beat, as seen in Brazil. And, worldly organizations do make mistakes. There is a distinction made between your god and its GB head, and the God I’m learning to know, who expects the truth His Son has given us, to be the only truth to be heard. His truth is in the Bible, not in the corrupt minds of men, who are doing the most damage to the anointed ones of “Israel”. They will not be sealed if lies are “found in their mouth”. Zeph 3:13; Rev 14:15; 3:18 Satan, knows this. 2 Thess 2:9-12

And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him. 26 But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man. Acts 10:25,26 "Everything is yours" - every gift within the Body is a benefit to each member..."There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit distributes them. There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord. There are different kinds of working, but in all of them and in everyone each one, just as he determines. All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he distributes them to each one, just as he determines." 1 Cor 12:4,6,11

This is as far as read. You continue to be so blind! "Empty speeches" are foundation of your organization. As an example, "Millions Now Living Will Never Die"

For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God, since it is written, He catches the wise in their craftiness 1 Cor 3:19 In this case, Paul is speaking of “wisdom” of the “crafty” religious leaders; as an example, the Pharisees who misled the people with their “worldly” wisdom added to the law. For whenever someone says, “I belong to Paul,” and another, “I belong to Apollos,” are you not acting like mere humans? What then is Apollos? What is Paul? They are servants through whom you believed, and each has the role the Lord has given. 6 I planted, Apollos watered, but God gave the growth. 7 So then neither the one who plants nor the one who waters is anything, but only God who gives the growth. He refers to God’s spiritual House/Temple in the anointed ones. 1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22 Of course, within the Watchtower are those who believe they are “wise” and have labeled themselves before Christ has returned, as “faithful and discreet”, and all eyes fall on the GB to lead them. It is so blatantly seen by some on this forum. Paul says that each member of the body is just as precious as the other, in their apportioned roles. Rom 12:3-8 This is not the case in the WT. The GB and their role, is the only role to acknowledge. Matt 24:48-51 “Let no one deceive himself. If anyone among you thinks he is wise in this age, let him become a fool so that he can become wise. 19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God, since it is written, He catches the wise in their craftiness; 20 and again, The Lord knows that the reasonings of the wise are futile. 21 So let no one boast in human leaders, for everything is yours— 22 whether Paul or Apollos or Cephas or the world or life or death or things present or things to come—everything is yours, 23 and you belong to Christ, and Christ belongs to God. He is saying that within this anointed Body, their only Head is Jesus Christ. Eph 4:15 However, all JWs “boast” in their human leaders. They must, or they are threatened with disfellowshipping, by the employment of craftiness. Rev 13: 11,15 JWs are totally immersed in the “wisdom of this world” that their human leaders provide for them. They have become “fools” for following this wisdom. It is not too late to become wise, according to the teachings of Christ. Proverbs chapter 4

This is to all JWs. Wouldn’t God expect a product of real truth from his anointed ones? IF they remain in Christ, Jesus promised he would send the Helper who would tell them, “all things”, which would be truth. What sort of “things” has the GB passed on to its followers? John 14:26 “Beliefs Clarified”. “I am the vine; you are the branches. The one who remains in Me and I in him produces much fruit, because you can do nothing without Me. John 15:5 Which means, without remaining in Christ, they cannot produce lasting fruit or teachings. Without remaining in Christ, their teachings rot and need replacing. Matt 7:17-20 This is the spiritual scene in the exalted “Jehovah’s organization”, where the leaders suppress the knowledge of Christ and heighten the “knowledge” of 8 men. When the nation of Israel did not follow the straight line God laid out for them, but wandered from, or rebelled against God’s decrees, choosing to exalt their idols over God, they suffered; and not with just a slap on the hand. God removed His protection and lives were lost. That was history in the making. “Now these things became our examples, to the intent that we should not lust after evil things as they also lusted. 7 And do not become idolaters as were some of them. As it is written, “The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.” 8 Nor let us commit sexual immorality, as some of them did, and in one day twenty-three thousand fell; 9 nor let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed by serpents; 10 nor complain, as some of them also complained, and were destroyed by the destroyer. 11 Now all these things happened to them as examples, and they were written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the ages have come. 1 Cor 10:6-11 Of course, you are somewhat jesting, but it is sad to say such things about the Almighty God, which lessens how important it is for all of us to adhere to His Word in Christ, and not those of men who stumble over their own lips. Ps chapter 12, ends with, “and what is worthless ("vile", such as rotten fruit) is exalted by the human race”. The organization has the nerve to exalt their blunders - Beliefs Clarified, which is mind boggling. I believe you are delusional, not alert to the history of God’s people when they fall into sin, or listen to lies. Discarded teachings are lies, present teachings are lies. Anymore, there are few of your teachings that are truth. Rev 16:13,14 The organization’s entire existence is sin against Christ. It challenges his word and his priesthood, with the words of men and their counterfeit priesthood. It fulfills prophesy as the “man of lawlessness” that blasphemes God’s sanctuary/temple in the anointed ones. Rev 13:1,2,10,18 Remember, they are told not to meet or study the Bible together. They are threatened and restrained from any independent movement to pursue Truth on their own without risking all that encompasses their “life” in the organization. Rev 13:15 Thus says the LORD of hosts, "Do not listen to the words of the prophets who are prophesying to you They are leading you into futility; They speak a vision of their own imagination, Not from the mouth of the LORD. Jer 23:16 There are so many examples of WT leaders speaking “a vision of their own imagination”, and yet JWs keep listening to them. We don’t “take what is offered”, but listen to Christ who said we would know those whom he would send, by their “fruit”, that would last. Do JWs hear those words from the Bible? WHO’S WORDS ARE MORE IMPORTANT, THE GB’S? OR THOSE OF CHRIST? Satan presented to Eve a “nourishing food” which contradicted the Word of God. That lie/food brought death to her and Adam, and her seed. Any teaching that obviously has been proven not to be from God, brings the same death upon those who create it and those who ingest it and call it truth! Deut 18:19-22 There is nothing illuminating or life-giving about it, but it holds an artificial light which Satan is fully capable of producing. 2 Cor 11:13-15 Any group of leaders who do this year after year consistently, did not radiate the light of Christ from day one, no matter what they use to convince you of it. It is all…a delusion prophesied to occur during the last days, that grabs hold of the anointed ones and their companions. The delusion effectively covers over the presence of the “man of lawlessness”, which is the organization, where the unsealed anointed are not safe under the elder “Gentile” Body. Matt 24:15; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1-3; 13:1,2,7; 9:1-4 Your words “to learn to yield, cooperate, and get along with each other”, obviously originate with WT’s leaders. Even swine wallowing in the mud can get along with each other. However, to be Christ-like means to stand up for his pure word, separating ourselves from the historical muck of lies, even if we are persecuted for it. Isa 52:11; Matt 5:10 2 Thess 2:9-12: “This man (man of lawlessness) will come to do the work of Satan with counterfeit power and signs and miracles. 10 He will use every kind of evil deception to fool those on their way to destruction, because they refuse to love and accept the truth that would save them. 11 So God will cause them to be greatly deceived, and they will believe these lies. 12 Then they will be condemned for enjoying evil *rather than believing the truth.” *This isn't WT's version of truth, but that of Christ's. Do JWs enjoy being fools? As the saying goes, 'fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me’. Sadly, the majority apparently have no shame. Dead flies make a perfumer’s oil ferment and stink; so a little folly outweighs wisdom and honor. 2 A wise man’s heart goes to the right, but a fool’s heart to the left. 3 Even when the fool walks along the road, his heart lacks sense, and he shows everyone he is a fool. 5 There is an evil I have seen under the sun, an error proceeding from the presence of the ruler: 6 The fool is appointed to great heights, (GB) but the rich remain in lowly positions. (the rest of the anointed under its rule) 7 I have seen slaves on horses, but princes walking on the ground like slaves. (the trampling of God’s temple by a false priesthood who rules over the royal priesthood/Temple of God. 1 Cor 3:16,17; Rev 11:1-3 They are the true princes under the Prince/King of Peace, not the elder body – Isa 9:6; Dan 12:1; Isa 49:24,25; Rev 19:16; 3:21; 5:9,10 ) 12 The words from the mouth of a wise man are gracious, but the lips of a fool consume him. 13 The beginning of the words of his mouth is folly, but the end of his speaking is evil madness. (example, the evolution of “this generation”) 14 Yet the fool multiplies words. No one knows what will happen, and who can tell anyone what will happen after him? Eccl chapter10 The Bible is full of the admonition to seek the wisdom of God. Why would we settle for the folly of a fool? A scoffer seeks wisdom and does not find it, but knowledge is easy to him who understands. Go from the presence of a foolish man, when you do not perceive in him the lips of knowledge. The wisdom of the prudent is to understand his way, but the folly of fools is deceit. Fools mock at sin, but among the upright there is favor. Prov 14:6-9 And yes, Jesus desires us to become, “perfect”, by listening to his wisdom. Matt 5:48 It is only men who continually remind you how imperfect you are, capturing you in a spiritual time capsule, and away from the wisdom of the Christ, that halts one’s growth to maturity in the Truth. Rev 3:18 These men promise you perfection after Armageddon, when Christ promises it now. John 6:27 Of interest, "The Throne of Satan", 4womaninthewilderness Pearl Doxsey

Since when would truth coming from God through Christ, which is spiritual food that imparts eternal life…have a “shelf life”? John 14:6 “You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you so that you might go and bear fruit—fruit that will last—and so that whatever you ask in my name the Father will give you.” John 15:16 What is received from God regarding spiritual knowledge is a “gift”. “Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and comes down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shadow of turning.” James 1:17 The “fruit” produced by the apostles has lasted. The teachings by all faithful anointed since, would be based on this lasting fruit. The opening of the scrolls of Revelation is the culmination of this lasting fruit; enhanced, with nothing previously known to be discarded. Yes, Watchtower’s spiritual food apparently has a shelf life, which is what JWs are accustom to. If we apply the knowledge Christ gave us in the scriptures, we then realize… 1. The GB members are not appointed by God and Christ 2. Which makes them false “christs”/prophets 3. Who have deceived the “elect” in the last days. Matt 24:24 If you believe that spiritual food was meant to have a temporary shelf life, then you are calling both God and Christ, liars. Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.’” Matt 4:4 I would hope some JW would consider these scriptures the next time they hear that "Jehovah" is providing nourishing spiritual food through the "faithful and discreet slave".

1 Pet 2:5,9; 2 Cor 11:2-4; Rev 13:13,14; 20:7-10 https://www.facebook.com/groups/restorationofjacob/permalink/1289640377875889/

I stand corrected. What you say is true. They do say, no publications are to be posted on social media. Call me a pure loon, but I'm not one who needs a white board to explain "this generation".

And why would they explicitly state not to use social media? What are they AFRAID of? Losing their members? FB is huge with every belief possible at one's fingertips. How does the GB know what's happening on FB if they weren't paying attention themselves? These men are running scared. They do NOT have your best interests in mind by saying stay away from social media where possible truth will be found, but they are..."scoundrels" at heart. A fool will no longer be called a noble, nor a scoundrel said to be important. 6 For a fool speaks foolishness and his mind plots iniquity. He lives in a godless way and speaks falsely about the Lord. He leaves the hungry empty and deprives the thirsty of drink. 7 The scoundrel’s weapons are destructive; he hatches plots to destroy the needy with lies, even when the poor person says what is right. Isa 32:5-7

My goodness. You trust these men with your very life! Do you believe everything the tell you is TRUE? Yes, they said, do not use social media. They also said, the generation of 1914 would not pass away. They also gave you a new recipe for “this generation”. Do you believe it? Do you have your doubts? WHY would you believe they are not using their facebook shares toward their own advantage? They certainly did with Goldman Sachs. If you search through the tax returns, you will see Goldman Sachs listed. A few years back they were on the membership roster attending a global conference by Goldman Sachs, getting the best worldly advice on how to invest their money. I believe they certainly did use their acquaintance through shares in Lionsgate and Disney. Proof is in their new constructed building, dedicated to producing movies and videos. These men are not gods; but simply, men who do what they can in this system, to keep their organization up and running. They are investors, plain and simple. If they were totally against social media, you would think they would dump all shares in facebook.

About which part, Anna? You wouldn't believe me anyway. I should correct my use of “own”, with, they reap the benefits of Henrietta Riley Trust that works for the “General Support” of the Watchtower. It has been presented to them on a platter. You would be amazed at what “apostates” find, and what Watchtower quickly follows to cover up. https://jwsurvey.org/news/facebook-yields-to-watch-tower-subpoenas-jehovahs-witnesses-issue-6-more-to-youtube This organization benefits from the trust. It would be naïve to believe they have no input in the trust fund's movements. They also have attended and invested in global hedge funds. 2017 tax return is not included, for some odd reason. https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/386043103 And yes, many JWs "preach" on facebook. I'm sure they count their hours doing so. I don't know what the big deal is about believing Lett has a page on facebook. Watchtower benefits from facebook stock. How easily they accept the commercial world and its beneficial assets, just as easily as they shun someone who rejects the organization. Such hypocrisy.

Yes, the same company WT owns shares in, where thousands of JWs preach on the organization's behalf, with many joining M. Stephen Lett's personal page. The more shares WT can buy up, the more influence it will wield over that social media. They are practicing damage control all over the internet, shutting down as many "apostates" they can. Now, if they really possessed truth and God's Spirit, why worry what anyone would say about them, or against them? Jesus didn't. John 18:36 But, there's is an earthly kingdom, existing with the help of another spirit. 2 Cor 11:4; Rev 13:1,2 As much as I dislike FB, it is an effective way to establish a battle post of truth, against Watchtower lies. (Dan 11:33-35) And, my "face" is not on there. I'll keep WT guessing. Only God's Word is to be elevated, yet jw dot org, is apparently Watchtower's god of the internet, calling "new light", "present truth"...until their own damage control kicks in, with more "new light". My, they have so much on their plate to keep up with. ReplyForward

The answer to your feelings about 1914? I have not followed your conversations on 1914. If the answer is in this sentence: ...then I'll just guess the answer. Did you? Our conversation under “The Chief Cornerstone”, ended this way: Tom: "The point is, that after a single year as a Witness, you become convinced of your anointing, with all its implications that you will be a messenger to everyone else, as well as a future (and in some respects present) king and priest." I answered: “Oh Tom. When you get this part of the story right I'll continue to answer your comments. “ You really only “heard” about a third of what I had told you during our entire conversation, but I didn't call you a ridiculous man. I never said it as you stated it, which makes me think your attention span for a writer, appears to be very short. Here's the link if you want to verify what I did say. What is that phrase, "in your dreams?" I think you were listening to BTK too much on that subject. Although, it is my dream that all JWs would just pack up and leave the WT. And, elders who have stolen the priesthood from God's chosen people, (1 Pet 2:5,9) and who have been given authority by your GB to disfellowship them if they speak against one of their false teachings, or the existence of the organization itself,...is not an act of hate. Is that what you are saying? By falling from God's grace and listening to another spirit. 2 Pet 3:17; Rev 8:10,11; Rev 13:11 Did I say that? Could you pinpoint it for me? I have no clue what the number of anointed are in the organization. If you are meaning the "144,000", that number is symbolic. I directed you to a facebook site, which is one outlet of "preaching" to "Israel", the anointed ones. Matt 10:23 You prefer the organization, your stronghold and mountain...to worship through. John 4: 21,23,24 You prefer to see men organized to accomplish what you believe is God's will. The true preaching work is accomplished by God's choice (Rev 11:1-3) and done according to God's way, (Zech 4:6,7) not by men who "go down to Egypt" to rescue them when they get in dire straits with the nations. Isa chapter 31 If you have proof that I "don't actually do anything" before God, please tell me. I don't work for men and their expensive vision, but only for the Father and Jesus Christ. I would never say that. God has one "organization" as brought out in the beginning post. You, along with most JWs cannot see it, although its true members reside with you.

Oh yes, there are many threads on 1914, but we two have come to a standstill. I don't feel like hunting down your opinion any more than you wanted to hunt down the truth about myself. So, I leave the question with you. And this one, as well: Do you see that the organization fulfills the role of the "man of lawlessness" and the environment around its existence, revealed in 2 Thess chapter 2, and I'll add Rev chapter 13?

Tom, how do you feel about 1914? Do you realize your message is intertwined around that date? Are you spreading the truth about God Kingdom to come, or a lie? You believe the "day of the Lord" began in 1914, or do you? The organization's leaders keep teaching it...as truth. However, we know many of the higher-ups wanted to drop it over the years. Yet, it's still there, dangling as a weak backbone, struggling to support your message. Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters, not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come. Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God. 2 Thess 2:3-4 Your elders have set themselves up in God's Temple, (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17), as a priesthood, proclaiming to be chosen by God's Holy Spirit. THEY and the GB, are responsible for the message you preach concerning the prophesy of the "day of the Lord" as come in 1914. Do you see that the organization fulfills this scripture?