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    Witness got a reaction from Lifeswaterfree in "PLEASE TAKE A MOMENT TO THANK JEHOVAH", FOR USDA FOOD BOXES   
    "Is it lawful for us to pay taxes to Caesar or not?”
    23 But detecting their craftiness, He said to them, 24 “Show Me a denarius. Whose image and inscription does it have?”
    “Caesar’s,” they said.
    25 “Well then,” He told them, “give back to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s and to God the things that are God’s.”   Luke 20:22-25
     
    Did Jesus say, take half of that coin and give it to God? No. It had Caesar’s name on it, not God’s.   Shouldn’t this tell us that money is not needed to worship God “in spirit and truth”? (John 4:23,24)  Any money that Jesus and the disciples had, was given to those in need – the poor.  Can your organization let go of all of its riches and give them to the poor? (Matt 19:21; Luke 12:33)  After Jesus left the earth, the congregations shared everything, they supported one another.  This is our template to go by.  If you had read the post link, you may have understood.  
     We convince ourselves that we need money for religious purposes, when we are told and believe leaders of a religious organization cannot feed us spiritual food without it. They cannot spread their version of “truth”.  (Matt 23:15)  “There is more money going out, than coming in”, GB Stephen Lett stated. This is manipulation, and we know it worked. People were changing their meager budgets to give to men who were already money-rich. All involved at the top, have this insatiable drive to build and expand on, their fleshly desires. (Matt 19:21-24)   They are now selling kingdom halls to free up money for larger projects.  The development of the organization is the same development as all other religious organizations. So, what sets your religions apart?  Nothing, really; expect the anointed trapped within. (Rev 20:7-9)  It tell lies also, just as other religious do.  Money is required to keep religious leadership’s power and authority stable over the “flock”; no matter if it is the Catholic church, or the Mormon church, or the Wt. organization.  The end result, is power to manipulate another person’s spiritual well-being.  The organization has always thrown up the example of the Catholic church in the faces of its members, expounding on its riches.  Well, when it comes to its own riches, they are dead quiet about it.  There is no transparency at the top.
    What is the distinction between pure worship and false worship?  Pure worship does not require money. The Temple of God, the dwelling of His Spirit, does not need riches to promote “spirit and truth”.  (1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22)  It does not need a physical, literal mountain to worship at.  That was Jesus’ point when talking to woman at the well.  A literal mountain is seen from a distance.  Wt has built many of them, for the world to see, with riches procured from those who have fallen for their deception. (Matt 24:24; 2 Pet 1:16; 2:2) And the organization glorifies its works that they have ‘collected’ in these endeavors. (Luke 4:5-7)  Wouldn’t you agree that other religions have been successful at that also?   Jesus was saying that building organized mountains, are not the way to worship God. 
     Truth in Christ is light, that radiates outwardly from within. (Luke 6:45)  He told those whom HE would send, that they would be a lamp shining in a dark place, just as he was the light of the world. (Matt 5:14-16; John 1:4,5; 13:20) As the source of living water, his words were enough for us to recognize truth and he did not charge money to receive it.  He didn’t ask for donations. If your leaders were truly part of the vine of Christ, they would not expect you to give money for it either.   (John 15:1-6; 7:38)  Riches are not necessary to produce his truth.   
     Can your organization sell all of its riches and give them to the poor? (Matt 19:21)   It has become “treasure” for all who are part of it.  It is their desire of the eyes, so much so, that thousands travel many miles to flock to its ornate buildings.
    You had a source of spiritual riches when knowing the two anointed ones you spoke about.  Sadly, they most likely didn’t understand the light of truth was in themselves, since they bought their spiritual provision from a false prophet. (Matt 25:1-13;;Rev 13:11,12,15-17)  They were captivated by “empty philosophy” just as you are.  (Col 2:8; 1 Tim 4:1; Rev 13:10; 16:13-16)  God’s Spirit dwelled within their heart – the spirit of truth, and His laws were written within it.  (Rom 5:5; 1 John 2:27; Heb 10:16)  Instead, they submitted to the corrupt rulership of an organization built with literal riches.  In your organization, the “living stones” of the Temple are not allowed to shed their “light” God gave them in Spirit, since it would conflict with the false light from your evil slave. (Rev 8:10,11)  Each anointed one, is a “teacher” of the law fulfilled in Christ.  Yet, those who are subservient to an evil slave are restricted from teaching Christ’s truths.  (Mal 2:7; 1 Pet 2:5,9)
     “Don’t collect for yourselves treasures (“or valuables”) on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal. 20 But collect for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys, and where thieves don’t break in and steal. 21 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.”  Matt 6:19-21
    Does your organization adhere to this teaching of Jesus? Or, does it tell only its members not to do this?
    I speak of both the Father and the Son.  I listen to the words of Christ, as the Father told us to. (Matt 17:5)
    Jesus answered, “If you knew the gift of God, and who is saying to you, ‘Give me a drink,’ you would ask him, and he would give you living water.”  John 4:10
    John 7:37,38 - On the last and most important day of the festival, Jesus stood up and cried out, “If anyone is thirsty, he should come to me and drink! 38 The one who believes in me, as the Scripture has said, will have streams of living water flow from deep within him.” 
    “Come, everyone who is thirsty,
    come to the waters;
    and you without money,
    come, buy, and eat!
    Come, buy wine and milk
    without money and without cost!
    2 Why do you spend money on what is not food,
    and your wages on what does not satisfy?
    Listen carefully to Me, and eat what is good,
    and you will enjoy the choicest of foods.
    3 Pay attention and come to Me;
    listen, so that you will live.
    I will make an everlasting covenant with you,
    the promises assured to David.
    4 Since I have made him a witness to the peoples,
    a leader and commander for the peoples,
    5 so you will summon a nation you do not know,
    and nations who do not know you will run to you.
    For the Lord your God,
    even the Holy One of Israel,
    has glorified you.”  Isa 55:1-5
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in "PLEASE TAKE A MOMENT TO THANK JEHOVAH", FOR USDA FOOD BOXES   
    Definition of equal  (Entry 1 of 3)
    1a(1): of the same measure, quantity, amount, or number as another (2): identical in mathematical value or logical denotation : Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. b: like in quality, nature, or status c: like for each member of a group, class, or society provide equal employment opportunities 2: regarding or affecting all objects in the same way : Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. 3: free from extremes: such as a: tranquil in mind or mood b: not showing variation in appearance, structure, or proportion 4a: capable of meeting the requirements of a situation or a task b: Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  bored with work not equal to his abilities     It seems how Paul speaking about economic or financial equality. This is, for sure, sort of social involvement, activity inside one specific group or society that existing inside human society as such. This is sort of socioeconomic conceptual influence on congregations. Perhaps something new for those period. Later we can see similar attempts to achieve such a status for the society of a people, a nation in a country. French revolution and later Communist Revolution sought to achieve equality for their people. And not only in economic status, but in many others - about education, gender, health, race etc. We would call that today - human rights.   Well, Paul's social activism perhaps brought some results in those days. What sort of social activism is today inside WTJWorg? GB solicit or makes petition for donations of all kind. Publicly known reason is, as they say, for "Kingdom interests". What is well known is this. Donation money, it is not used so that brothers in an assembly can pay rent, electricity or water expenses, buy their children books for school, and so on. Using donation money or money that WTJWorg collect in other ways (stocks, real estate sales etc) are not intended for poor members for reason to became less poor or equal to brothers who are materially rich, as Paul imagined for Christian congregation in 1st century.   Charity status of WT and all WT entities or sister companies are for reason to not pay taxes and to receive money from state (where law of country provide such privileges).    Is there a way for GB to turn Paul’s imagination into reality today?      
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in "PLEASE TAKE A MOMENT TO THANK JEHOVAH", FOR USDA FOOD BOXES   
    I’m not saying that we are not responsible for paying our taxes.  (By the way, “Jehovah’s organization” has found a way to avoid paying taxes)  Jesus was speaking of our need to separate riches of this world with spiritual riches that he offered in his teachings. Those are the important treasures, which we are to build upon. I am saying that Jesus was preaching new wine, to be put in new wine skins. (Col 2:2; Matt 9:17)  But, the Wt. has proven that they prefer "old wine", where they can build their kingdom in this world ruled by Satan.  (Luke 5:39; 4:5-7)
    “It is not that there may be relief for others and hardship for you, but it is a question of equality”  2 Cor 8:13
    You are telling me that your GB practice financial equality among JWs. That they ensure their abundance is distributed to every JW?   Not possible, is it.  They wouldn't allow it, would they.  
    Your kingdom halls may be built as grass huts or with chandeliers hanging in their foyers as I have seen, according to the financial ability of the congregation.  Conveniently, all are now owned by the organization; a very prosperous move by your GB.  What your leadership does for its offices and assembly gathering places, are far from modest. I'm sure a tour of Bethel will open your eyes...or not.  
     
    What's more important, how clean your buildings are, or how truthful your teachings are; today, yesterday and decades in the past? Jesus said, those whom he sends must produce "fruit that lasts" - it stays, never to rot, never to be tossed away.  Do you understand this?  It is another teaching of Jesus, that your GB don't seem to recognize.  (Matt 23:25-28; John 15:16)  Because your leadership has built its own "temple"/organization, and has rejected God's authentic "house of prayer" built with "living stones", your entire organization is an idol, prophesied to "make war" with the "saints".     (Rev 13:4,7,8)
    You asked what my "story" is.  My testimony about the Temple “living stones”, (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16) the blasphemy and falsehoods of the organization, (2 Thess 2,4; Rev 11:1,2; 13:1,2)  and its wicked slave (Matt 24:48-51; Rev 13:11,12), is why the organization considers me an apostate.  It has nothing to do with sinning against the Father or Jesus Christ; but everything to do with exposing Wt’s lies, which is the location of the "man of lawlessness" that "sits"/rules/stands where it does not belong...in God's Temple.  (Mark 13:14; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1-3,7)
    So, if knowing that I am an apostate on those grounds, causes you to make your decision to "shun" either I or @Srecko Sostar for his reasons, what a shallow and weak decision it is.  We either love the light of truth in Christ and keep seeking it, or we gravitate to darkness, where lies about the Father, the Son, and His dwelling in Spirit, are told. (John 3:19; 2 Thess 2:9-12)

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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in "PLEASE TAKE A MOMENT TO THANK JEHOVAH", FOR USDA FOOD BOXES   
    1. To Society Watch Tower, Watchtower and corporations
    2. To Jehovah's Witnesses and all assemblies
    3. To all whom this concern
     
    Declaration on termination of membership to a religious community of Jehovah's Witnesses
     
    I was baptized in 1977 at the age of 17, then a minor. But, in good faith I answered the following two questions just before baptism, which is symbolized my dedication to God in terms of the beliefs of Jehovah's Witnesses religion.
    At that time (before the change of June 1 1985) questions have read as follows;
    Have you repented of your sins and converted, recognizing yourself before Jehovah God as a condemned sinner who needs salvation, and have you acknowledged to him that this salvation proceeds from him, the Father, through his Son Jesus Christ?
    On the basis of this faith in God and in his provision for salvation, have you dedicated yourself unreservedly to God to do his will henceforth as he reveals it to you through Jesus Christ and through the Bible under the enlightening power of the holy spirit?
     
    Since I have over decades closely followed the changes in various aspects of activity of this religion, I noticed some frequent collisions (1 John 4:1; 1 Th 5:21). It is visible in: a) the content of the various interpretations; b) in the theory and practice of action in everyday life issues. Overview of many historical aspects of the spiritual heritage, which the organization has, since its inception in the 19th century, left to its members-followers, and wants to cover it up, revise and incorrect display, is astounding. Who wants to drink a water from a cup in which there is a single drop of dangerous substances?
    The purpose of my statement is not to explain doctrine and practices of society and the board of directors, who are disturbed my conscience and reasoning within the love, faith, knowledge and understanding that I feel and I have to God and Jesus Christ and to the people, so I will taxatively single out only a few of them (Rom 14:4). These are obvious example, on the one hand, theological acrobatics from the main church body of Jehovah's Witnesses, and on the other hand, their dishonesty and practice in which one they are learns, and other they are works;
    1) Confusing conceptions about their own identity (Who shared spiritual food? One servant, all 144 000, a composite body or the governing body ...,)
    2) Pragmatism in changing dogmatic interpretations before the change was "firmly biblical established", such as a series of explanations about the "generation" ...,
    3) Speculation about the meaning of biblical statements and how they should be understood. More than once the revised interpretation were in style of YES-NO-YES-NO; then this year's "changed approach to the interpretation of reports from the Word of God" ...,
    4) Switching of responsibility from the governing body and their representatives on the ordinary believers in respect of the decisions and attitudes that members should be carried out, when it becomes apparent that they were endangered spiritually, mentally and literally health of fellow believers (eg, multiple expectations of Armageddon, Malawi and Mexico of the 1970's, questions about blood, juvenile members / Bulgaria /, neutrality ...,)
    5) Co-operation and association with political organizations such as the UN and the OSCE.
    6) Increasingly open calls for financial donations and contributions to the funds of the corporation.
    7) Careless and unkind treatment of victims of pedophilia within the congregations of Jehovah's Witnesses
     
    Regardless of how, as collective or personal, members of the Jehovah's Witnesses will treat me after this letter of resignation, considering the worldwide-known practice of ignoring and avoiding (shunning) that Jehovah's Witnesses apply to all who are outside of their religion ("worldly" people, dissociated and disfellowshipped) - I with fully conscious and reason declare still this; My relationship with the people / persons in the Jehovah's Witness religion and those who are not, is based on the words of Jesus; "Love your neighbor as yourself"; "Love those who hate you"; "Whatever you want men to do to you, do also to them."
     
    I expecting from you, that any kind of information which is stored anywhere, in connection with me and has my full name, such as personal files, or any other files you immediately destroy!
     
     
    Zagreb, July 27/2015 Srećko Šoštar -------------
    Verified by notary public
     
    How do you feel what JW's think about me after reading this? :))
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in "PLEASE TAKE A MOMENT TO THANK JEHOVAH", FOR USDA FOOD BOXES   
    What Is Baptism?
    The meaning of baptism
    The Bible compares baptism to burial. (Romans 6:4; Colossians 2:12) Water baptism symbolizes a person’s dying to his past course of life and beginning a new one as a Christian dedicated to God. Baptism and the steps that lead up to it are God’s arrangement for a person to gain a clean conscience based on his faith in the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. (1 Peter 3:21) Thus, Jesus taught that his disciples must get baptized.—Matthew 28:19, 20. - 
    Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Even WTJWorg publication explained what is purpose of baptism and in the same time contradict to themselves. Purpose of baptism for individual is not to show others to what sort of organized religion she/he belongs. Baptism not exist for purpose of registration to particular organization. Baptismal question No. 2 in WTJWorg is not in harmony with own published explanation and not in harmony with Jesus' teachings. 
    Question No. 1 Have you repented of your sins, dedicated yourself to Jehovah, and accepted his way of salvation through Jesus Christ? contains elements that can be found in the Bible.
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in "PLEASE TAKE A MOMENT TO THANK JEHOVAH", FOR USDA FOOD BOXES   
    "Is it lawful for us to pay taxes to Caesar or not?”
    23 But detecting their craftiness, He said to them, 24 “Show Me a denarius. Whose image and inscription does it have?”
    “Caesar’s,” they said.
    25 “Well then,” He told them, “give back to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s and to God the things that are God’s.”   Luke 20:22-25
     
    Did Jesus say, take half of that coin and give it to God? No. It had Caesar’s name on it, not God’s.   Shouldn’t this tell us that money is not needed to worship God “in spirit and truth”? (John 4:23,24)  Any money that Jesus and the disciples had, was given to those in need – the poor.  Can your organization let go of all of its riches and give them to the poor? (Matt 19:21; Luke 12:33)  After Jesus left the earth, the congregations shared everything, they supported one another.  This is our template to go by.  If you had read the post link, you may have understood.  
     We convince ourselves that we need money for religious purposes, when we are told and believe leaders of a religious organization cannot feed us spiritual food without it. They cannot spread their version of “truth”.  (Matt 23:15)  “There is more money going out, than coming in”, GB Stephen Lett stated. This is manipulation, and we know it worked. People were changing their meager budgets to give to men who were already money-rich. All involved at the top, have this insatiable drive to build and expand on, their fleshly desires. (Matt 19:21-24)   They are now selling kingdom halls to free up money for larger projects.  The development of the organization is the same development as all other religious organizations. So, what sets your religions apart?  Nothing, really; expect the anointed trapped within. (Rev 20:7-9)  It tell lies also, just as other religious do.  Money is required to keep religious leadership’s power and authority stable over the “flock”; no matter if it is the Catholic church, or the Mormon church, or the Wt. organization.  The end result, is power to manipulate another person’s spiritual well-being.  The organization has always thrown up the example of the Catholic church in the faces of its members, expounding on its riches.  Well, when it comes to its own riches, they are dead quiet about it.  There is no transparency at the top.
    What is the distinction between pure worship and false worship?  Pure worship does not require money. The Temple of God, the dwelling of His Spirit, does not need riches to promote “spirit and truth”.  (1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22)  It does not need a physical, literal mountain to worship at.  That was Jesus’ point when talking to woman at the well.  A literal mountain is seen from a distance.  Wt has built many of them, for the world to see, with riches procured from those who have fallen for their deception. (Matt 24:24; 2 Pet 1:16; 2:2) And the organization glorifies its works that they have ‘collected’ in these endeavors. (Luke 4:5-7)  Wouldn’t you agree that other religions have been successful at that also?   Jesus was saying that building organized mountains, are not the way to worship God. 
     Truth in Christ is light, that radiates outwardly from within. (Luke 6:45)  He told those whom HE would send, that they would be a lamp shining in a dark place, just as he was the light of the world. (Matt 5:14-16; John 1:4,5; 13:20) As the source of living water, his words were enough for us to recognize truth and he did not charge money to receive it.  He didn’t ask for donations. If your leaders were truly part of the vine of Christ, they would not expect you to give money for it either.   (John 15:1-6; 7:38)  Riches are not necessary to produce his truth.   
     Can your organization sell all of its riches and give them to the poor? (Matt 19:21)   It has become “treasure” for all who are part of it.  It is their desire of the eyes, so much so, that thousands travel many miles to flock to its ornate buildings.
    You had a source of spiritual riches when knowing the two anointed ones you spoke about.  Sadly, they most likely didn’t understand the light of truth was in themselves, since they bought their spiritual provision from a false prophet. (Matt 25:1-13;;Rev 13:11,12,15-17)  They were captivated by “empty philosophy” just as you are.  (Col 2:8; 1 Tim 4:1; Rev 13:10; 16:13-16)  God’s Spirit dwelled within their heart – the spirit of truth, and His laws were written within it.  (Rom 5:5; 1 John 2:27; Heb 10:16)  Instead, they submitted to the corrupt rulership of an organization built with literal riches.  In your organization, the “living stones” of the Temple are not allowed to shed their “light” God gave them in Spirit, since it would conflict with the false light from your evil slave. (Rev 8:10,11)  Each anointed one, is a “teacher” of the law fulfilled in Christ.  Yet, those who are subservient to an evil slave are restricted from teaching Christ’s truths.  (Mal 2:7; 1 Pet 2:5,9)
     “Don’t collect for yourselves treasures (“or valuables”) on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal. 20 But collect for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys, and where thieves don’t break in and steal. 21 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.”  Matt 6:19-21
    Does your organization adhere to this teaching of Jesus? Or, does it tell only its members not to do this?
    I speak of both the Father and the Son.  I listen to the words of Christ, as the Father told us to. (Matt 17:5)
    Jesus answered, “If you knew the gift of God, and who is saying to you, ‘Give me a drink,’ you would ask him, and he would give you living water.”  John 4:10
    John 7:37,38 - On the last and most important day of the festival, Jesus stood up and cried out, “If anyone is thirsty, he should come to me and drink! 38 The one who believes in me, as the Scripture has said, will have streams of living water flow from deep within him.” 
    “Come, everyone who is thirsty,
    come to the waters;
    and you without money,
    come, buy, and eat!
    Come, buy wine and milk
    without money and without cost!
    2 Why do you spend money on what is not food,
    and your wages on what does not satisfy?
    Listen carefully to Me, and eat what is good,
    and you will enjoy the choicest of foods.
    3 Pay attention and come to Me;
    listen, so that you will live.
    I will make an everlasting covenant with you,
    the promises assured to David.
    4 Since I have made him a witness to the peoples,
    a leader and commander for the peoples,
    5 so you will summon a nation you do not know,
    and nations who do not know you will run to you.
    For the Lord your God,
    even the Holy One of Israel,
    has glorified you.”  Isa 55:1-5
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in "PLEASE TAKE A MOMENT TO THANK JEHOVAH", FOR USDA FOOD BOXES   
    Meanwhile a Jew named Apollos, a native of Alexandria, came to Ephesus. He was a learned man, with a thorough knowledge of the Scriptures.  He had been instructed in the way of the Lord, and he spoke with great fervor and taught about Jesus accurately, though he knew only the baptism of John.  He began to speak boldly in the synagogue. When Priscilla and Aquila heard him, they invited him to their home and explained to him the way of God more adequately. - NIV
    Apollos already had accurate teaching/knowledge/faith about Lord. One thing is mentioned here about baptism detail that was different. He was already instructed about Jesus. It would be interesting to see what explanations came from Priscilla and Aquila that are under wording "more adequately".
    Again, please consider what WT doing about "the way of God". They intrusively determine what is "the truth" about God and proclaim those who do not accept it with the name “apostates”. Perhaps JW's today need some new Priscilla and Aquila (married couple, aka female and male teachers) in WTJWorg Organization who would be able to explain the way of God, to temporary GB, more adequately/accurately.  
    We can speak about two things about wording: 
         adverb: adequately:   A) to a satisfactory or acceptable extent. B) to a sufficient degree or extent        adverb: accurately: A) in a way that is correct, exact, and without any mistakes B) without mistakes or errors   A) Was it about Priscilla's/ Aquila's ability as a speakers (educated, substantial vocabulary, etc) who know to adequately and sufficiently explain some more details of the topic to listener who already know core/basic teaching and have accurate information about Jesus?
    B) Was it about Priscilla's/ Aquila's call/need to correct some wrong believes, ideas, perspective of listener?
    ... he knew only the baptism of John.
    Issue of baptism is interesting if you have knowledge about changes on baptismal questions through WT history. If Apollos learned from this Christian couple that you need to be baptized in The Name of ..., how it is possible that JW candidate is baptized in The Name of Organization instead of Father, Son and HS? 
    Question No 2: Do you understand that your dedication and baptism identify you as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses in association with God’s spirit-directed organization?  ....New: ...identifies you as one of Jehovah's Witnesses in association with Jehovah's organization?
    Who today need adequate and accurate explanation? :))
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in "PLEASE TAKE A MOMENT TO THANK JEHOVAH", FOR USDA FOOD BOXES   
    By teaching that an organization, filled with corruption, in Satan's world will bring JWs salvation, Jesus as the only Way, Truth, and Life, has become less important. (John 14:6; 4:21-24) God's Temple priesthood has become less important. (Matt 16:18) God's Temple has no meaning, but the organization...JWs cannot live without. 
    That's just the beginning of your organization's full rejection of Christ's teachings.  By looking to the brainstorm of men, your leaders have paved the way for going beyond the teachings of Christ.  
    "Come to Jehovah's organization for salvation" Watchtower 1981 Nov 15 p.212
    "Salvation is to be found through him alone; in all the world there is no one else whom God has given who can save us.”  Acts 4:12
    "They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served something created instead of the Creator, who is praised forever. Amen." Rom 1:25
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in "PLEASE TAKE A MOMENT TO THANK JEHOVAH", FOR USDA FOOD BOXES   
    Firstly, you may want to consider this quote from God’s Kingdom Rules! p. 195-196, and then remember repetitive "begging" for money by your leaders.    
    Jehovah’s people do not beg for money. They do not pass collection plates or send out letters of solicitation. Neither do they use bingo, bazaars, or raffles to raise money. They hold to what the Watch Tower long ago said: “We have never considered it proper to solicit money for the Lord’s cause, after the common custom . . . It is our judgment that money raised by the various begging devices in the name of our Lord is offensive, unacceptable to him, and does not bring his blessing either upon the givers or the work accomplished.”
    Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. The Watch Tower, August 1, 1899, page 201. Secondly, and in relationship to this post, many who were told that the food boxes came from “Jehovah”, were also told to think about thanking him by donating to the organization.  These are food boxes generally provided for people with little money.  Why would “donating” even be mentioned?
    Thirdly, you can see my full answer here:
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in "PLEASE TAKE A MOMENT TO THANK JEHOVAH", FOR USDA FOOD BOXES   
    That, is an ingenious idea! 
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in "PLEASE TAKE A MOMENT TO THANK JEHOVAH", FOR USDA FOOD BOXES   
    Part 2.
    2 John 1:9 – “Anyone who does not remain in Christ’s teaching but goes beyond it, does not have God. The one who remains in that teaching, this one has both the Father and the Son.”
    It would help if you or some other JW member put here a list of Christ's teachings. Start with No. 1 please and take as much numbers you need to show all the teachings of Jesus. You can, if you need, name them as "core teachings", and if you find some Chris't teachings as less important, please put them in second list. 
    After that, please make another list of WT past teachings and actual WT teachings. You can also do the same thing, because some JW's claims are, how "core teachings" were and are always the same, despite of "Beliefs Clarified" list by WTJWorg Official web. - Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  , and all publications published till today.
    It would be nice if you and other JW members delete that "dust" you speaking about.
    After such task done, we all here will be able to compare two entities in 2. John 1:9, aka
    Jesus Scale with/vs WTJWorg Scale 
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in "PLEASE TAKE A MOMENT TO THANK JEHOVAH", FOR USDA FOOD BOXES   
    2 John 1:9 – “Anyone who does not remain in Christ’s teaching but goes beyond it, does not have God. The one who remains in that teaching, this one has both the Father and the Son.”
    I like this scripture, because it concentrates on Christ’s teachings, not the doctrines of men.  There is a lot said about doctrine that deviates from the teachings of Christ.  His teachings are sound doctrine, which the apostles stressed for us to adhere to.
    “Now I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause dissensions and obstacles contrary to the doctrine you have learned. Avoid them, 18 for such people do not serve our Lord Christ but their own appetites. They deceive the hearts of the unsuspecting with smooth talk and flattering words.” Rom 16:17,18
    “If anyone teaches other doctrine and does not agree with the sound teaching of our Lord Jesus Christ and with the teaching that promotes godliness, he is conceited, understanding nothing, but has a sick interest in disputes and arguments over words. From these come envy, quarreling, slander, evil suspicions, 5 and constant disagreement among people whose minds are depraved and deprived of the truth, who imagine that godliness is a way to material gain.” 1 Tim 6:4,5
    “For the time will come when they will not tolerate sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, will multiply teachers for themselves because they have an itch to hear something new.”  2 Tim 4:3
    So, every time the organization’s leadership uses Prov 4:18 to cover failed doctrine that had no light to begin with, it cannot be said that Holy Spirit played a part in its development, from teaching's beginning to what it has changed into now.   You have an extensive list of doctrine outside of the teachings of Christ.  The generation teaching is just one of them. The "faithful slave" is another. 
     “Beliefs Clarified” does not show the genius of God, Emma.  It shows the foolishness of men, who choose to remain in darkness.
    "But the person without the Spirit does not receive what comes from God’s Spirit, because it is foolishness to him; he is not able to understand it since it is evaluated spiritually."
     
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in "PLEASE TAKE A MOMENT TO THANK JEHOVAH", FOR USDA FOOD BOXES   
    Oh, this explains why religious "knowledge" is in evolution mode, and gives answer on why "light getting brighter" with every new study edition (and GB videos on JWTV) of WT magazine :)) 
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in "PLEASE TAKE A MOMENT TO THANK JEHOVAH", FOR USDA FOOD BOXES   
    In searching for meaning of "despicable fool" i found this:
    Watchtower 2006 2/15,  Questions From Readers
    What three dangers was Jesus warning against at Matthew 5:22 ?
     
    .... What, then, did the expression “despicable fool” signify? The word used here sounded similar to a Hebrew term that means “rebellious,” or “mutinous.” It designates a person as morally worthless, an apostate and a rebel against God. So the person addressing his fellow as a “despicable fool” is as much as saying that his brother should receive a punishment fit for a rebel against God, everlasting destruction. From God’s standpoint, the one uttering such a condemnation against another could merit that severe sentence—everlasting destruction—himself.—
    Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. . Consequently, Jesus was setting a higher standard for his followers than that found in the principles behind the Mosaic Law. While people believed that a murderer would be “accountable to the court of justice,” Jesus went further. He taught that his followers should avoid even harboring animosity against their brothers.—
    Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. . - Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ... and one comment 9 years ago from fading JW who noticed the connection: 
    Calling someone an “apostate”, “empty well” or “mentally diseased” among other things as they did in the 2011 9/11 Watchtower Study is the same as calling them a “despicable fool”. They clearly established that in their above comments. Even if it were true Jesus made no allowance for such judgmental harsh words. They are bitter because God has not made the words of these “servants” come true. Isaiah 44:26 , “the One making the word of his servant come true, and the One that carries out completely the counsel of his own messengers.”
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in "PLEASE TAKE A MOMENT TO THANK JEHOVAH", FOR USDA FOOD BOXES   
    Really Anna?  Just as “trampling” is symbolic for the dominating power of the elder body over the anointed priesthood/Temple, “beating” is also symbolic; as well as the “killing”/disfellowshipping committed by your leadership. (Dan 8:13; Rev 11:1,2)
    Let’s see…the question should be, why are all anointed who stand up and give testimony of Christ, are “beaten” and subsequently, “killed”?  I think you know the partial answer.  You GB won’t have any “despicable apostates” in their midst.
    NWT:  “You heard that it was said to those of ancient times: ‘You must not murder, but whoever commits a murder will be accountable to the court of justice.’ 22  However, I say to you that everyone who continues wrathful with his brother will be accountable to the court of justice; and whoever addresses his brother with an unspeakable word of contempt will be accountable to the Supreme Court; whereas whoever says, ‘You despicable fool!’ will be liable to the fiery Ge·henʹna.”   Matt 5:21-22
    My goodness, did Mr. Morris ever play into that one!
    The other reason, is that those disfellowshipped for rejecting the organization, and testify about the Christ and his Temple, are in fact, walking in his spiritual path of persecution.  He suffered at that hands of his own people, as do the anointed who follow his example. 
    “You are blessed when they insult and persecute you and falsely say every kind of evil against you because of Me.”  Matt 5:11
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in "PLEASE TAKE A MOMENT TO THANK JEHOVAH", FOR USDA FOOD BOXES   
    Oh Anna.  Mormons preach, Seventh Day Adventists preach, Baptists preach. Many people preach either their church's doctrines or simply about Jesus Christ.   What does it matter if when you preach, you are telling a lie?  What does it matter if your preaching work rejects God’s Temple that JWs should understand and look to, yet you bolster an earthly organization instead? You yourself, have been hesitant with 1914, a foundation teaching of your leadership. - a "core" teaching that has changed as the weather changes.  You know full well what your past leadership has taught. Yet, you support them with your continual preaching work of an organization based on falsehood.  This is hypocrisy!  And it is why I quit preaching for the organization and began preaching for Jesus Christ. (Rev 11:1-3)
     The priesthood/Body has many different gifts that lay untapped in the organization. ( 1 Cor 12:4,7-11,14,15,20,21,25,27,18)  Don’t include the elder body in this, the large majority of which are not the anointed Household of God. (Eph 2:20-22)  Your “steward”/administrator seems to think that the role of a house manager is all-encompassing.  Does a manager of a house do the dishes, wash the clothes, pay the bills, run the errands, cook and bake all the dinners for the occupants?  Or, does he “oversee” all that is produced, and then distribute from every offering the servants of the house provide, those offerings that  will contribute to the health and well-being of all within the house? It’s like a steward of a ship, bringing food to a passenger, that the steward did not cook. In its most simple form, your GB have decided they are to do all of it.  They reject offerings of truth from God’s priests, and if any priest rejects their food, their falsehoods, they are beaten down – disfellowshipped.  (Matt 24:48-51; Rev 13:11,12;15)
    So, basically your GB leadership has created its own counterfeit house (organization) and their way of running is not based whatsoever on Christ's teachings.  (Luke 22:25-27)  A true “faithful and discreet slave” that is chosen as the house manager under Christ – and IN God’s Temple, spiritual House, would not beat his fellow slaves for providing food for the house! This is why so many anointed have been disfellowshipped over the years.
    It’s like a man going away: He leaves his house and puts his servants in charge, each with their assigned task, and tells the one at the door to keep watch.  Mark 13:34
    Who assigns the tasks?  The GB, or Jesus? Well, in your organization, it is the GB.  Now, don't you think every anointed priest is aware of the task Jesus has assigned to them? Should someone else decide what their task is to be? 
    A genuine faithful steward would discern whether the house servants offer Truth, and he would distribute it to all; because the members of the anointed Body SHOULD all speak truth under the spirit of Christ. (1 Cor 12:13; Eph 4:25) We don't find that at all in your organization.
    The Master’s belongings that the steward watches over, are the “true riches” (Holy Spirit) from each servant of the Master, that should be “managed” properly.(  Luke 16:1,2,10-12)  Each gift given to the servants of the Master cannot be ignored.  They are vital to the life of the members and the Body.  (1 Cor 12:25,26)
     All spiritual food offered to others from those Jesus sends, is to be in harmony with the foundation teachings of the Temple, not those of an organization.    
    This, your GB cannot and will not do. They are the “wasteful steward”.  They will give an accounting for their wastefulness; their rejection of not only the gifts offered by the anointed Body, but their rejection of the Body itself.  And, since the Body is one in Christ, they have rejected Christ as well, even though you may mention the name, Jesus.  (Mark 13:22;2 Cor 11:4)
     Their greed for power and authority must be preserved, at all costs.  So, they have appointed their own body, their own chosen priests to run your organization, who do their bidding. Do you see the dichotomy?
    The Temple of God is to stand on its own, as Zion.  But, your organization calls itself Zion.  Two mountains then, are at war in the last days - a counterfeit “mountainlike organization” which tramples those of Daughter Zion; against those who reconnect with the Temple of God by leaving the counterfeit, repenting of their sins to an idol,  and preach the foundation Truth of Jesus and the apostles. (Isa 52:1-3; Rev 2:26-29; 2:1-5; Zech 4:6,7; Rev 8:8,9)
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in "PLEASE TAKE A MOMENT TO THANK JEHOVAH", FOR USDA FOOD BOXES   
    God out of graciousness allowed Solomon to build Him a temple.  And what did all of those riches lead to, but Solomon's downfall.  Yet, God's prophetic words to David were not about Solomon, but about Jesus Christ building God's spiritual Temple.  
    But that night the word of the Lord came to Nathan, saying:
    5 “Go and tell my servant David, ‘This is what the Lord says: Are you the one to build me a house to dwell in? 6 I have not dwelt in a house from the day I brought the Israelites up out of Egypt to this day. I have been moving from place to place with a tent as my dwelling. 7 Wherever I have moved with all the Israelites, did I ever say to any of their rulers whom I commanded to shepherd my people Israel, “Why have you not built me a house of cedar?”’
    “‘The Lord declares to you that the Lord himself will establish a house for you: 12 When your days are over and you rest with your ancestors, I will raise up your offspring to succeed you, your own flesh and blood, and I will establish his kingdom. 13 He is the one who will build a house for my Name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever.  2 Sam 7:5-7,11b-13
    Do you really think that God meant that the organization would be the house He is speaking of? Something greater than Solomon is here, and it is not your GB.  Luke 11:31
     It doesn't matter if you think the anointed women were "active" in your preaching work.  What matters is if they ever listened to their Head, Jesus Christ over the Head of your organization.  (Rev 2:2-5; 3:18)
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    Witness reacted to Emma Rose in "PLEASE TAKE A MOMENT TO THANK JEHOVAH", FOR USDA FOOD BOXES   
    It is later revealed what was going on, who was bringing his troubles and why.  Nevertheless, he is a remarkable example of keeping his integrity whilst unaware of the facts.
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    Witness reacted to 4Jah2me in "PLEASE TAKE A MOMENT TO THANK JEHOVAH", FOR USDA FOOD BOXES   
    @Emma Rose  I thought I'd return to this that you wrote. Quote 
     Kind David had an illicit affair with a married woman and then sent her husband to the front line in order for him to be killed, he also numbered the people when he shouldn't have.  Jehovah did not depart from using King David to carry out His will.  Jehovah is also aware of the effects of sin and if His people are repentant, He forgives them,
    Now, did everyone in the Nation of Israel think King David was doing right when he committed those sins ? I would think that any person of that Nation that had a good relationship with God, would of hated the things King David was doing. The problem for those people was that they were 'of that Nation'. They had no choice but to remain 'of that Nation'. So there is no comparison between those people of the Nation of Israel (born into and belonging to that nation) with JWs that voluntarily remain part of the CCJW. 
    JWs still worship their GB and find no fault in them, even though the GB continue to sin.
    Your GB do not seem to be repentant. If they were they would stand down and let the True Anointed lead the CCJW. How can God forgive the GB when the GB have exalted themselves above all others, and the GB tread down the True Anointed Ones.
    The only thing the GB have done, after many years of lying, is to now admit that they are not Inspired of God's Holy Spirit. So your GB now admit that anything they say or write is just the words of 'men'. Please remember that, you are following the 'words of men'. 
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    Witness reacted to 4Jah2me in "PLEASE TAKE A MOMENT TO THANK JEHOVAH", FOR USDA FOOD BOXES   
    @Emma Rose and @TrueTomHarley  are now a comedy duo it seems   Well done ! 
    Dear Emma seems naive but it could just be a ploy. And Tom, well he is as he is. He cannot find true answers to anything so he makes, what he thinks, are jokes. He is funny some times though and bit of humour is good. 
    The scripture Emma semi-quotes from Colossians 3 v 13 is spoken to the Anointed / Chosen Ones as can be seen in verse 12. And in my opinion the whole of the Greek Scriptures are written for those True Anointed Ones. However I actually have that scripture on a piece of paper hanging above my computer monitor, hence i knew what it was immediately. It does help in certain not too serious circumstances, but should not be used to cover over serious sins.
    Now Emma says "They're very hurt and angry." Lets note here that she is like Tom, and she lumps everyone together with that word 'they' / they are. It seems to be a problem with JWs, maybe because they are all one big congregation, that they cannot cope with individuals. Emma, every one of us is different and many of those that leave the CCJW have not 'lost their way'.  If you personally do not mind being part of a Pedophile protecting and Pedophile hiding Organisation, that is of course your own choice. And if you are prepared to turn your back on the Victims of Child Sexual Abuse just to please the GB and you Elders, that is also your choice. 
    I for one left the CCJW because my Christian based conscience would not allow me to continue to be part of such an immoral organisation and I could no longer encourage families to gather together in such a dangerous place as a Kingdom Hall or to gather with JWs that could possibly cause harm to children. Once the abuse has happened there is no turning the clock back. The damage is done permanently. 
    But the CSA / Pedophilia problem is just one of many problems in the CCJW.
     
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    Witness got a reaction from 4Jah2me in "PLEASE TAKE A MOMENT TO THANK JEHOVAH", FOR USDA FOOD BOXES   
    God’s dwelling since Moses, was the tabernacle – a mobile tent. (Exod 25:8,9)  He then acquiesced to allowing a temple to be built for Him. (1 Kings 6:1)  Christ comes to earth, and announced that the physical temple is no longer to be God’s dwelling, but that it will be his spiritual Body, built with “living stones”. (Isa 60:14,13; John 2:19-21; 1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22)  
    This is how it has been since the first century, and it still is in those faithful to Christ as their Head. The spiritual temple/dwelling of God - New Jerusalem/Holy City, has replaced the physical temple. (Heb 12:22,23; Rev 14:1)
     Where does your physical organization fit in?  God never had an “organization” on earth, but a nation of people, with many foreigners joining in with them.  They worshiped God, firstly through His tabernacle, and then through the temple.  It was the only avenue to worship God, where His appointed priesthood served God as ministers and judges for the people. (Deut 17:9; Lev 10:10,11;Ezek 44:24) With Christ, God established the foundation of His new House/Temple (also mobile) in the apostles and prophets, and it has grown throughout years with added, sealed, “living stones”.  (Eph 2:20-22)
    But right when the anointed remnant shows up, a change is made – at the time when the Great Tribulation/Armageddon, is destined to occur.  No longer is the spiritual Temple of God the focal point, but it is an EARTHLY, PHYSICAL organization that dares to call itself, God’s House.  I don’t remember anything in the scriptures about Jesus saying God’s Temple would be set aside for an organization, built with riches that Satan has been given authority over.   But I do know, that a “man of lawlessness” rules over God’s Temple in the last days, and exalts itself far above the “living stones”. (Dan 8:25;11:36; Mark 13:14; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1-3) 
    This “man of lawlessness”, your elder body, has been given authority  by your leaders, to judge and mark them - God’s priesthood -  as spiritually “dead”. When does this happen? It happens when they reject the organization, and turn back to God’s Temple, and their Head, Jesus Christ.   (John 16:2; Heb 13:13; Rev 13:15; 11:1-3,7)
    God’s people “Israel” are the “chosen”/special possession, anointed to fulfill their role as priests. (Isa 43:10; 1 Pet 2:5,9) Yet, many JWs say just as you have, “Of course I'm aware of who the anointed are, I personally knew 2 of them, lovely sisters, so humble and it makes me smile to think of them in their heavenly role"...without realizing that your organization has trampled down God’s priesthood. Their "role" is to be active while they are on earth, just as the apostles, and those who followed them throughout the centuries.  They were sent by Christ to preach Truth.  Instead, in your organization, they are told to keep silent, and not to gather as a priesthood, because your organization has chosen its own priesthood to fill its own role.   (John 13:20; Matt 28:16-20)  This priesthood baptizes people into the organization.  It doesn't follow Christ's words given to his disciples, in any manner.  It baptizes people into darkness, not into the light of Christ.  When I see elders baptizing at conventions wearing black shirts, I think how fitting a symbol, for the lawlessness they represent. 
    Since 1 Cor 3:16 states that the anointed are the dwelling of God in Spirit, we have a problem with this comparatively young organization calling itself, God’s House.    Which do you choose to accept as God’s House?  An organization that suffers in the court systems, refusing to follow court orders (since money is involved); suffers in various governments in the world, and that has a history of failed, false teachings?   Or, do you accept what the scriptures show us that God’s “organized” Temple built on Jesus Christ, is His anointed priesthood and the only dwelling that God has chosen?
    You said...
    I read all of our beautiful Watchtowers and Awakes and savour every word, here is purity in it's finest form.
    In light of past false teachings, how can you say their spiritual food is “pure”?  I seriously hope you do your homework.
    Tabernacle – Solomon’s Temple – 2nd Temple – God’s spiritual Temple in Christ – followed by a corrupt organization at the last minute?  Blasphemy and deceit. (Rev 13:1,4,5-8) 
    If anyone perceives the “man of lawlessness”/disgusting thing – the elder body – “sitting” in the Temple of God, they are to flee from  the organization.  Mat 24:15-22
     
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    Witness reacted to 4Jah2me in "PLEASE TAKE A MOMENT TO THANK JEHOVAH", FOR USDA FOOD BOXES   
    That is blinding yourself by making excuses for your conscience. God and Christ could not use such an immoral Org. Immoral and dishonest. Lacking mercy and love. Making up 'traditions of men' to rule over the congregation.
    What God has in truth is the Remnant of the True Anointed Ones on earth.
    But your GB act as the Evil slave from the Matthew scripture, and that Evil slave 'beats up' their fellow slaves (the True Anointed ones). Your GB have put it in writing in the Watchtower magazine that those Anointed Ones should not meet together for prayer or Bible study, and if they do meet together your GB say they are 'working against the Holy spirit'.  I do hope you read all your Watchtower magazines and that you have read these things. If your conscience thinks these things are good then you have a problem. 
    Do you even look at the Biblical scripture for baptism ? To baptise in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Then have you considered the JW baptism ? It baptises people into the Organisation. 
    You GB have created a stumbling block to all people. The CCJW is known as a Pedophile organisation 
    Earthwide. So the GB have worked for the devil in bringing shame on God and Christ. 
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    Witness got a reaction from 4Jah2me in "PLEASE TAKE A MOMENT TO THANK JEHOVAH", FOR USDA FOOD BOXES   
    He provides the rain and the sun, the natural gifts of the earth. He provides sustenance and clothing to those who are obedient to His will through Jesus Christ.  Luke 12:22-28
     We do know that Satan made it clear what he has control over:
    "Then the devil, taking Him up on a high mountain, showed Him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. 6 And the devil said to Him, “All this authority I will give You, and their glory; for this has been delivered to me, and I give it to whomever I wish. 7 Therefore, if You will worship before me, all will be Yours.”  Luke 4:5-7
    Of course they will.   It is those who are deceived by false christs, false messiahs, false prophets that lead one to believe they are serving God completely, but they are not.  Which is exactly what happens to the anointed "saints" in the last days.   (Matt 24:4,5,23,24; 7:15; Acts 20:29-30; Rev 13:11, 14-17)  These saints are actually conquered by deceit. (Col 2:8; Rev 13:7,10)  The false prophets work in unison with an organization, to blaspheme and overcome the Temple dwelling of God.  (Matt 24:48-51; 1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Rev 13:5-7)
     
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    Witness got a reaction from 4Jah2me in "PLEASE TAKE A MOMENT TO THANK JEHOVAH", FOR USDA FOOD BOXES   
    Who will be taking part in the “worldwide campaign” of letter writing to all government officials in November?  I would guess most all JWs, actually.   This will be done with the sender’s personal letterhead, not that of the Watchtower organization.  Under this change of JWs referred to as “individuals” and not members, it is clear that any antagonistic, unsettled, divisive government official that gets buried with such letters, could very well respond negatively to the sender/senders.   The GB and their the organization is off the hook, since they can say, “individuals” wrote these letters. As we know, "individuals" "exist as a distinct entity".  The GB's lawyers could very well say, “See?" as they pull out the Shephard the Flock book with its most recent changes, “We don’t have members.   THEY are individuals responsible for any consequences of their actions!” 
    A trap within a trap!  Please, JWs, if we are faithful to God the Father and His Son, Jesus Christ, would they hang us out to dry, as your leadership is planning to do?  You might want to ask if the GB is writing their letters to their government officials, as well.  Also, be sure to ask if they plan on addressing and signing their letters, as you will do with yours...which is a big mistake.
     
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    Witness got a reaction from 4Jah2me in Banned Religious Groups’ Members ‘Transformed’ in Xinjiang Camps   
    Not all idolatry can be recognized through a tangible image, such as praying or worshiping before a statue. 
    The Wt clarifies:
    #1 - “As Christians, we face up to similar challenges today. We cannot take part in any modern version of idolatry—be it worshipful gestures toward an image or symbol or the imputing of salvation to a person or an organization. (Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. )”   Wt 90/11/1/26
    The nation of Israel was just as prone to idolatry as the Catholic church is today.   While the Catholic Church has its obvious sources of idolatry, as in God's early nation,  how would Satan deceive his “saints”, into a “modern version” of idolatry?  JWs admit they have many of the same problems as other organizations, such as child abuse; yet they believe they are pure when it comes to idol worship.   How can the straw be extracted from the eye of others, without first the Wt org. extracting the rafter in its own eye and the eye of all who are part of it. 
    How do the anointed fall into idolatry in the last days?
    This is how:
    #2 - "Bible students need to get acquainted with the organization of the “one flock” Jesus spoke about at Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. . They must appreciate that identifying themselves with Jehovah’s organization is essential to their salvation. (Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ) Therefore, we should start directing our Bible students to the organization as soon as a Bible study is established."  Kingdom Ministry 11/1990 p. 1  “Directing Bible Students to Jehovah’s Organization”
    This statement is so foreign to me now.  We should be directing people to the Father and the Son, NOT to an earthly organization. I don’t know of any other religious organization that projects the image that it is “spirit-directed”, and proclaims to be the source of salvation.  I do not know of any other organization where the authentic anointed “saints” are found; and who have ‘identified’/dedicated themselves with it.  It is a modern-day version of idolatry, just as the first quote states.
    The checkpoint to perceive if this organization is an idol that has settled into one’s heart and mind, would be to ask oneself if leaving this organization and serving God, “whole-souled”, is possible.  (Deut 6:5; Mark 12:30)  Well, it isn’t possible for those fully dedicated to the organization. There is no way to tear them from their idol, no matter what they may suffer for being part of it.  (Isa 48:18; Rev 16:2)  They believe that by leaving the Wt, they have left God.   God, the GB/”head”, the organization, its elder body, are as one; a full contradiction to the oneness of the Father, Jesus Christ head of the anointed Body, and His dwelling in the anointed “living stones” of His Temple.  (John 17:22; 1 Cor 3:16,17; 1 Cor 12:13,20,25)
    In Revelation, the same Beast that “makes war” with the saints, requires an identifying “mark”.  If anyone rejects this identification, they are spiritually, symbolically, “killed”.  (Rev 13:5-7,15)
    Since this organization touts it is the path of salvation, it has convinced its people to ask, where else would one go to receive everlasting life? (John 6:68)  They reason, if it is God’s organization, what other entity is there in the world, that can defeat it? 
    Isn’t that what you believe will happen in your Armageddon? That this organization is the only entity to escape a bloody onslaught destined to come upon the rest of the world?
    The whole earth was amazed and followed the beast. 4 They worshiped the dragon because he gave authority to the beast. And they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast? Who is able to wage war against it?”  Rev 13:3b,4
    Rev 13:15a - It was permitted to give breath[Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ] (“or a spirit or life”)to the image of the beast…
    This is a counterfeit fulfillment to Jesus “breathing” spirit into the foundation stones of the spiritual Temple of God.  (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17)
    Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, I also send you.” 22 After saying this, he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.”  John 20:21-23
    Who is it in the organization that has been directed to forgive sins?  It is the elder body, a counterfeit “body” of priests not anointed.   They have seized this authority of the “living stones” of God’s Temple.  Are not the elders deemed as having Holy Spirit?  They are the stones that have built your idol – your temple. 
    …so that the image of the beast could both speak and cause whoever would not worship the image of the beast to be killed.”  Rev 13:15b
    The Beast kills the “two witnesses” sent by Christ for rejecting its identifying mark and for their testimony of Jesus Christ.  (Rev 11:1-3,7)  Now, we know this honestly did not have its fulfillment in Rutherford’s escapade of jail time.  That ploy of Satan’s, would be the counterfeit fulfillment happening today.  Anointed and all today, who, by their testimony of Christ, and reject the organization’s “mark”, are disfellowshipped.  (Luke 9:24; 17:33; Rev 11:7; 12:10-12)
    16 “And it makes everyone—small and great, rich and poor, free and slave—to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, 17 so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark: the beast’s name or the number of its name.
    Spiritual food, the buying and selling of it, is only possible if one is a JW dedicated to the organization; It can only be bought from the “slave” – a wicked one.  (Matt 24:48-51)
    18 This calls for wisdom: Let the one who has understanding calculatethe number of the beast, because it is the number of a person. Its number is 666.”
    666 – the “man of lawlessness” who sits in the Temple of God, exalted over the anointed priesthood and who has been given the authority to forgive sins, and the authority to “kill” God’s “living stones”.  (Matt 24:14;Mark 13:14; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2)
    A spirit-directed idol requires a mark that signifies who belong to it.  God requires a mark also, outlined in Deut 11:18-23
    “Imprint these words of mine on your hearts and minds, bind them as a sign on your hands, and let them be a symbol on your foreheads. 19 Teach them to your children, talking about them when you sit in your house and when you walk along the road, when you lie down and when you get up. 20 Write them on the doorposts of your house and on your city gates, 21 so that as long as the heavens are above the earth, your days and those of your children may be many in the land the Lord swore to give your ancestors. 22 For if you carefully observe every one of these commands I am giving you to follow—to love the Lord your God, walk in all his ways, and remain faithful to him— 23 the Lord will drive out all these nations before you, and you will drive out nations greater and stronger than you are.
    Ask yourselves, JWs, can you dedicate yourself to the heavenly Father AND to an earthly organization in Satan’s world? (Isa 40:25; Matt 6:24)
    Can you accept decrees made by men AND also accept the established decrees set by Christ and the apostles? (Matt 15:9; 1 John 4:8;2 John 1:9-11; Titus 1:9; 2 Tim 4:3; Col 2:8)
     The two contradictory quotes from the Watchtower above, should show that they are not sourced in Jesus Christ. He would not confuse his servants by saying one thing, and insisting on them observing an opposite teaching.  No, it would be the same spirit from the same father that the Pharisees were led by. (Isa 5:20; John 8:44)  The same spirit that “floods” the anointed, with lies.  (Luke 17:27; Rev 12:15; 16:13-16; 20:7-9)
     
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