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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    You've nullified all the scriptures you have used in the past to prove Jesus was ruling as King in the first century.
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    Witness got a reaction from Ray Devereaux in "BELIEFS CLARIFIED"   
    From  https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200277174
    Truths?  Or Insanity?
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in I have a question about your memorial.   
    Perhaps you should put a few things into perspective.

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    Witness got a reaction from John 12.24to28 in "BELIEFS CLARIFIED"   
    From  https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200277174
    Truths?  Or Insanity?
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in What is the Body of Christ?   
    Pudgy, there’s no challenge.  You’re wanting people – JWs who have left the organization -  from all over the world to meet in one physical location.  The reality is, it won’t happen.  In that sense, you’ve got nothing, if that’s what you are looking for. We don’t plan on begging for contributions to construct churches throughout the world.   It is irrational to believe that Pearl and I will meet at mile marker 1,500, to gather in some building to worship.  It is irrational that our friends from Brazil will go even further to meet with us; or those from Africa, from Italy, and various states in the U.S. Jesus said there is not a “mountain” that you can look at, or enter, that God will put his blessing on in the last days. We worship in spirit and truth. (John 4:21-24  We have communication between each other, online.  It is available to all. 
    I never choked, I told the truth.   This is the time of "small beginnings".  Zech 4:10,11-14,6-9
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in What is the Body of Christ?   
    You and Arauna have been hanging out together for too long. 🙂  If it is comparing Boy Scouts to the Nazis, then...why is it that anointed who stand up for truth, who reject ALL the false teachings of the GB, reject their fleshly pursuits,  are then disfellowshipped, which is a spiritual "death"?  (John 16:2; Rev 13:15)   One's family is ripped away from them, one's only life that they had known, comes to a halt. You know these things.   Exjws have committed suicide by judgment put upon them by elders.  How many have suffered as victims never given justice at the hands of elders?  
    Boy Scouts?  Really?  No.  As a composite entity, they are the "man of lawlessness" that "sits"/rules over the Temple of God.  The definitions in the scriptures are clear. (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; 2 Thess 2:1-4; Rev 13:5-7) This isn't hatred, it is truth.  (Rev 18:4-8)
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in I have a question about your memorial.   
    Perhaps you should put a few things into perspective.

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    Witness got a reaction from Matthew9969 in "BELIEFS CLARIFIED"   
    From  https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200277174
    Truths?  Or Insanity?
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in "BELIEFS CLARIFIED"   
    From  https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200277174
    Truths?  Or Insanity?
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    The only earthly thing God was ever “linked” to, was His sanctuary, His Temple.  That all changed with the coming of Christ.  John 2:19,21
    The only thing God is “linked” to today, is His spiritual Temple, His dwelling in Spirit, which is found in the anointed hearts.  1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17.
    The attempt to connect God with an earthly organization developed by man, is idolatry.
    “To whom will you compare me, or who is my equal?” asks the Holy One.  Isa 40:25
    AGAIN
    “To whom will you compare me or make me equal? Who will you measure me with, so that we should be like each other?”  Isa 46:5
    “Do not make an idol for yourself, whether in the shape of anything in the heavens above or on the earth below or in the waters under the earth. Do not bow in worship to them, and do not serve them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, bringing the consequences of the fathers’ iniquity on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate me, 6 but showing faithful love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commands.”  Exod 20:4-6
    The organization, as all organizations are, was "created" by men. They are man’s doing, not God’s. He would not inspire men to establish one, when His Temple arrangement was initiated on the Body of His Son. And of course, no leaders of the Wt are inspired anyway.  When men create their own ideology on how to worship God, they have transgressed His Word.   
    Rom 1:25 - They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served what has been created instead of the Creator, who is praised forever. Amen.
    A JW will be hard-pressed selling their Watchtower on the day of judgment, in light of the above scriptures; because the scriptures nowhere, condone worship through an earthly, manmade organization that operates the same way as all manmade organizations in this world.  And we know what the scriptures say about who has authority over this world.  1 John 5:19
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    There are "nougats of truth", as I had said, and found in those books; and the Aid to Bible Understanding comes closer to those examples than the Insight books.  As you read about the anointed as a spiritual temple, compare that with what GB G. Loesch has now said; that every JW is now, the spiritual temple.  Which will you choose to believe?  Are these changes toward more truth, toward a more brilliant "light"?  Which offering of "food" will you love?   These are changes that have led to full-fledged lies, just as the development of a frog begins with an egg, to tadpole, and eventually becomes the adult frog.  Frogs plagued Egypt; lies by false prophets/GB, and the elder/organization are the plague facing God's anointed "kings of the earth" (Rev 1:5), and all JWs today.  (Rev 16:13-16)
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    You've left out the anointing, which is the "inspiration" of Holy Spirit.  It is "poured" into the anointed heart, spiritually "writing" God's laws on their heart.  (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16; Eph 2:20-22; Heb 8:10; Isa 43:10) It is a spiritual "circumcision" of the heart. (Col 2:9-11) Why would they have these laws of Christ's teachings written on their heart?(Heb 8:4,5) Because they are priests of God who are to teach and serve the people. 
    Mal 2:7 - “For the lips of a priest should keep knowledge,
    And people should seek the law from his mouth;
    For he is the messenger of the Lord of hosts."
    They are the "living stones" of God's Temple/dwelling in Spirit. (1 Pet 2:5)   Do you recognize the authentic priesthood in your organization?  Why aren't they teaching? (Mal 2:7) Why isn't the GB working with THEM, the anointed, to serve proper food, instead of with elders who have not had the Holy Spirit poured into their hearts?   (Matt 24:48-51)  
    Since all anointed are "inspired" - unless they disobey Christ and leave him as their head, (Col 2:19), allowing men to lead them instead -  then any prophet who would arise in the "last days", would also be inspired.  Acts 2:17,18; Matt 17:11; Mal 3:1-4; 4:5,6; Rev 1:1-3
    Get out the Insight on the Scriptures Books.  Look up spiritual temple, the anointed, priesthood.  Things have changed in the organization. Where one could once find nougats of truth, now none are left.  (1 Tim 4:1; Col 2:8; Rev 16:13-16)  
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    We have examples in the Bible which show the anointing as miraculous.  Acts 2:1-4; 10:44-46   The pouring out of Holy Spirit on an individual God calls to be His priest in this day and age, is no less miraculous.  Since your leaders say they are "not inspired", then this proves they have left their covenant in Christ.  (John 15:4-7)
    This is how spiritual harlots come about.  (Hos 4:15; Rev 13:11,12; 17:1,2)
    Faithful to whom?  The anointed cannot bond in the organization, as said by your "faithful slave",  Arauna.  They cannot serve under Jesus Christ, but must answer to men - the elders.  A "faithful and discreet slave" is not a taskmaster, who requires full obedience to HIS spiritual food that continually fails, while disregarding all other members of the Body of Christ.  Your leaders are "okay" with disfellowshipping God's priesthood for rejecting your leaders' spiritual food!  1 John 3:11,12; John 16:2; Rev 13:15   
    And, there is no chance of them being sealed while under the thumb of a wicked slave and the "man of lawlessness"/elder body. They are to come out of the organization and connect again, with Jesus Christ.   Rev 18:4-8
    “Pure worship” is unobtainable in the Wt.  Again, the priests/living stones of God’s Temple, who must offer spiritual sacrifices of praise, are replaced and silenced by the elders not anointed.  Are their “daily sacrifices” acceptable replacements to God?  (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22)
    "You shall say to the rebellious ones, to the house of Israel, ‘This is what the Lord  God says: “Enough of all your abominations, house of Israel, 7 when you brought in foreigners, uncircumcised in heart and uncircumcised in flesh, to be in My sanctuary to profane it, My house, when you offered My food, the fat, and the blood and they broke My covenant—this in addition to all your abominations. 8 And you have not taken responsibility for My holy things yourselves, but you have appointed foreigners to take responsibility for My sanctuary.”  Ezek 44:6-9
    In other words, the Temple/dwelling of God in the anointed, has been desolated by abominations – by elders not assigned by God to be His priests.  Elders “stand” in a position that was assigned to the anointed.  They judge God’s “special possession”.  (Ps 105:15)
    “who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God”  2 Thess 2:4
    The elders have taken their “seat”/ruling position as “representatives” of God’s priesthood.   
    “Now when you see the abomination of desolation standing where it should not be—let the reader understand—then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains.”  Mark 13:14
    Those are the scriptures from God’s word, and there is no scripture to refute the obligation of God’s priests today to serve as priests. The apostles were priests, they taught the anointed what to do, they led in truth. They expected the anointed in that day to teach truth in Christ and BOND as one body under their Head. (1 Cor 12)  Why would it stop with the advent of the Wt?  No excuses backed by scripture, can be made by men , to support their arrangement.   (Mal 2:7; Heb 8:4,5)   JWs who love the elders, love the “arrangement”, will refuse to take note and continue to listen to words of a wicked slave instead.  (Matt 24:48-51; 2 Thess 2:9-12; Rev 16:13-16; Luke 17:26,27; Rev 12:15; Matt 7:21-23)   
    This is the message to be given to God's saints in the last days.  All with them, who can perceive this abomination are to get out.  (Mal 3:1-4; 4:4-6; Matt 17:11; Rev 11:1-3; Zech 4:6,7,11-14; Rev 14:6-12; 18:4-8)
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    Do you think God wants people to be comforted by delusions?  These men propose to be God's spokespeople and guided by His Spirit.  
    This is what the Lord Almighty says: “Do not listen to what the prophets are prophesying to you; they fill you with false hopes. They speak visions from their own minds, not from the mouth of the Lord."  Jer 23:16
    The picture I attached is just one of many acts of vision from the minds of Wt's leaders.  Those people on the cover and many more with them, were filled with false hopes.  Did they draw comfort from the false hope when on their death bed? 
    Usually repetitive liars know that they are not telling the truth. 
    "But which of them has stood in the council of the Lord
        to see or to hear his word?
        Who has listened and heard his word?"
    I did not send these prophets,
        yet they have run with their message;
    I did not speak to them,
        yet they have prophesied.
    22 But if they had stood in my council,
        they would have proclaimed my words to my people
    and would have turned them from their evil ways
        and from their evil deeds."  Jer 23:18,21,22
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    Can you see it yet?  Do you realize how responsible the leadership of your organization is, for placing stumbling blocks before God's holy people - Jesus Christ's "kings of the earth"?  Mal 2:8; Rev 1:5; 5:9,10
    Prophets who lie are spiritual harlots, because they have broken their covenant with God.  Ps 78:10;  Rev 13:11,12; 17:1-5
     
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    If the invisible Jesus from heaven chooses a few people of flesh and blood on earth to be FDS, isn't that a "miracle"?
    Did these people hear Jesus speak to them from heaven? Then it's a "miracle."
    Did these people feel an invisible force that enlightened their minds and hearts and led them to some deed? Then it's a "miracle."
     
    If there was none of that, then maybe it’s self-proclamation, right? Then it's not a "miracle". I agree with you on that.
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    How, then, are we to understand Jesus’ illustration about the faithful slave? In the past, our publications have said the following: At Pentecost 33 C.E., Jesus appointed the faithful slave over his domestics. The slave represents all anointed Christians on earth as a group at any one time since then. The domestics refer to the same anointed ones as individuals. In 1919, Jesus appointed the faithful slave “over all his belongings”—all his earthly Kingdom interests. However, further careful study and prayerful meditation indicate that our understanding of Jesus’ words about the faithful and discreet slave needs to be clarified. (Prov. 4:18) Let us examine the illustration and how it involves us, whether we have the heavenly or the earthly hope............. 
     The faithful slave must be made up of anointed Christians on earth............
    In 1919, a time of spiritual revival, Jesus selected capable anointed brothers from among them to be the faithful and discreet slave and appointed them over his domestics...........
     In view of the foregoing, what can we conclude? When Jesus comes for judgment during the great tribulation, he will find that the faithful slave has been loyally dispensing timely spiritual food to the domestics. Jesus will then delight in making the second appointment—over all his belongings. - https://www.jw.org/ase/library/magazines/w20130715/who-is-faithful-discreet-slave/
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    Witness reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    My sins are many and i see no reason why Yeshua should chose to give me life. However that does not stop me from wanting to warn others about the Watchtower and JW Org. I have a love for people that I feel deserve love.  I do not feel that JWs deserve love. However i do know that I should freely forgive anyone that 'sins' against me. It's all about balance and about not being puffed up with self pride. (Which is the oppposite of what you said about me) 
    Whereas your GB, whom call themselves the F&DS, presume they already have a place set up in heaven for themselves.  Wow, such boastfulness comes before a fall. 
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    This is a problem for one reason only, which is explained in WTJWorg with wording; Miracles ceased in the first century.
    If the miracles stopped in the first century, then it is to be expected that the anointing from heaven (act of miracle) in the year 1919 did not happen ..... because miracles do not actually happen anymore.
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    Have you experienced an anointing to know this?  It is an unforgettable supernatural event, and those events are "miracles".  People fondly call the birth of a child a "miracle".  An anointing is being spiritually "born again".  Any act of God through His Holy Spirit, is a miracle.  John 3:3-8; 2 Cor 1:21-22; 5:17
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Pudgy in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    It really might be you clearing your throat, since Pudgy was asking this question to Arauna. 
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    It is clear to everyone that generations overlap, and not just two of them, but dozens of generations overlap in a certain period of time, in fact continuously from the beginning of man's existence to the present day.
    But that’s not what GB would like to point out when talking about the “overlapping generation” that completely replaces the ONE and ONLY  "The 1914 generation".
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    Witness got a reaction from Arauna in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    I am sure you are basing it on 1914. a lying date that Wt. has locked themselves into, the core backbone of their organization, and which requires their own projection of a date for Armageddon.  As Splane said in the linked video, "we have be absolutely sure, that everything fits" - everything regarding their 1914 lie.  That hasn’t worked out well for them yet. 
    Two “offspring” were spoken of in Gen 3:15, a righteous offspring/seed and an evil offspring/seed. 
    The Greek word for “generation” can mean “offspring, progeny”. 
     Progeny – “a descendant or the descendants of a person, animal, or plant; offspring.”
    The Greek word for “generation” comes from another word meaning to be born, “of women giving birth to children”.
    Gen 3:15 – I  will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and her offspring; he shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heel.”
    Matt 3:7 - But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming for baptism, he said to them, “You offspring of vipers, who warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
    Jesus’ words can refer back to Gen 3:15.  He said of them, “You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he tells a lie, he speaks from his own nature, because he is a liar and the father of lies.”  John 8:44
    Under their father, they are offspring of the devil.  All offspring of the devil can be said to be one spiritual generation, yet in a sense it has “overlapped” since the very beginning.  If it could be traced, then say for instance, an ancient evil family always producing evil offspring down to this day.  Literal generations after generations were evil, yet they also can be said to be under one father – one spiritual generation or offspring of Satan.
    If we go back to the word that the Greek for “generation” comes from, (which is gennaō) it is found in this scripture:
    "No one who has been born (gennaō) of God practices sin, because His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin continually, because he has been born of God. By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother and sister."
    Two spiritual generations are mentioned there that span the ages – children of God, and children of the devil. 
    The anointed are also one called generation of children under God. Even though He called them to be His priests, they were not ,and are not, all faithful.  They are facing the harvest and have since the first century.  (Ps 110:1,2)
    Matt 24:34 - "Truly I tell you, this generation (of spiritual children) will certainly not pass away until all these things take place…
    …Until all the spiritual signs take place that Jesus had just shared with his disciples. That is the generation of anointed.   Within that spiritual generation spanning two thousand years, two other spiritual “generations” emerge because a division takes place  – those who remain faithful to God as His children (wheat) and those who reject their covenant with Him and become offspring of the devil (weeds).  Matt 13:30; 1 Cor 11:19 
     Not until their judgement has been decreed, including the very last anointed ones, will that generation then “pass away”. Rev 3:2,3; Matt 24:43; 1 Thess 5:2,4; 2 Pet 3:10; Rev 16:15   
    If anyone can discern the difference between literal generations spoken of in the Bible, and the spiritual, then Jesus’ words become clear. 
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    I am sure you are basing it on 1914. a lying date that Wt. has locked themselves into, the core backbone of their organization, and which requires their own projection of a date for Armageddon.  As Splane said in the linked video, "we have be absolutely sure, that everything fits" - everything regarding their 1914 lie.  That hasn’t worked out well for them yet. 
    Two “offspring” were spoken of in Gen 3:15, a righteous offspring/seed and an evil offspring/seed. 
    The Greek word for “generation” can mean “offspring, progeny”. 
     Progeny – “a descendant or the descendants of a person, animal, or plant; offspring.”
    The Greek word for “generation” comes from another word meaning to be born, “of women giving birth to children”.
    Gen 3:15 – I  will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and her offspring; he shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heel.”
    Matt 3:7 - But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming for baptism, he said to them, “You offspring of vipers, who warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
    Jesus’ words can refer back to Gen 3:15.  He said of them, “You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he tells a lie, he speaks from his own nature, because he is a liar and the father of lies.”  John 8:44
    Under their father, they are offspring of the devil.  All offspring of the devil can be said to be one spiritual generation, yet in a sense it has “overlapped” since the very beginning.  If it could be traced, then say for instance, an ancient evil family always producing evil offspring down to this day.  Literal generations after generations were evil, yet they also can be said to be under one father – one spiritual generation or offspring of Satan.
    If we go back to the word that the Greek for “generation” comes from, (which is gennaō) it is found in this scripture:
    "No one who has been born (gennaō) of God practices sin, because His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin continually, because he has been born of God. By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother and sister."
    Two spiritual generations are mentioned there that span the ages – children of God, and children of the devil. 
    The anointed are also one called generation of children under God. Even though He called them to be His priests, they were not ,and are not, all faithful.  They are facing the harvest and have since the first century.  (Ps 110:1,2)
    Matt 24:34 - "Truly I tell you, this generation (of spiritual children) will certainly not pass away until all these things take place…
    …Until all the spiritual signs take place that Jesus had just shared with his disciples. That is the generation of anointed.   Within that spiritual generation spanning two thousand years, two other spiritual “generations” emerge because a division takes place  – those who remain faithful to God as His children (wheat) and those who reject their covenant with Him and become offspring of the devil (weeds).  Matt 13:30; 1 Cor 11:19 
     Not until their judgement has been decreed, including the very last anointed ones, will that generation then “pass away”. Rev 3:2,3; Matt 24:43; 1 Thess 5:2,4; 2 Pet 3:10; Rev 16:15   
    If anyone can discern the difference between literal generations spoken of in the Bible, and the spiritual, then Jesus’ words become clear. 
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    So, you dropped your comment about the severity of lying?  It doesn't apply to the organization's leadership?  The foundation of the organization should be examined by every JW - it is your legacy.  
    It is said by the organization that Rutherford and his companions fulfilled the “two witnesses” of Rev. 11:1-3.  In Rev 11:7, it says,
    “Now when they have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up from the abyss will attack them, and overpower and kill them”
    Because of the printing of “The Finished Mystery”, his book was condemned in 1918 by the US Attorney General, T. Gregory , not by the UN.  On June 27, 1918, Rutherford went to prison.  He was released on March 26th, 1919.  The League of Nations was not established until January of 1920.   It lasted for 26 years, until 1946.  The UN was established on October 24, 1945.
    Because of the timing of Rutherford in prison, it cannot be said that the “two witnesses” of Wt. were killed by the Beast – either by the League OR the UN, since the League was established the next year and the UN/”beast” was not operating for 26 years after Rutherford was released from prison.
    “One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed. The whole world was filled with wonder and followed the beast.”   Rev 13:3
    Was there really a head wound to the UN, if both the League and the UN were both active at once, for a short time?
    You cannot disconnect the prophesy of the “two witnesses” from the prophesy about the Beast.  But, as it stands, they are disconnected in Wt’s doctrine. 
    The “heads” of the Beast are rulers over it.  It 'seems' that it was actually Rutherford, head of the organization, who suffered the fatal wound but was later “healed”.  I am sure every JW at the time, was “filled with wonder”, believing that God saved the organization.  
      The WT is the Beast of Revelation 13:1,2, and is directed by the Beast with “two horns like a lamb, but it spoke like a dragon.” Rev 13:11,12  – false prophets. 
    The "clouds" signify "witnesses".  Heb 12:1 -  
    "Therefore, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses, let us throw off everything that hinders and the sin that so easily entangles. And let us run with perseverance the race marked out for us"
    God's authentic witnesses are his chosen priests.  Isa 43:10-12;44:8; 1 Pet 2:5,9   Witnesses are messengers, messengers are priests (Mal 2:7) as well as "angels".  Just look up the Greek meaning of "angel".  
    “You have said so,” Jesus replied. “But I say to all of you: From now on you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.”  Matt 26:64
    Then Nathanael declared, “Rabbi, you are the Son of God; you are the king of Israel.”   50 Jesus said, “You believe because I told you I saw you under the fig tree. You will see greater things than that.” 51 He then added, “Very truly I tell you, you will see ‘heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending on the Son of Man.”  John 1:49-51
    "Jacob left Beersheba and set out for Harran. 11 When he reached a certain place, he stopped for the night because the sun had set. Taking one of the stones there, he put it under his head and lay down to sleep. 12 He had a dream in which he saw a stairway resting on the earth, with its top reaching to heaven, and the angels of God were ascending and descending on it."   Gen 28:10-12
    "Again, when he brings his firstborn into the world, he says, And let all God’s angels worship him."  Heb 1:6
    How do you dispute God's word?
     
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