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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Furuli's new e-book: "My Beloved Religion - And The Governing Body"   
    Rutherford began his own well documented teachings far removed from the first century teachings of the apostles. 
    1917 'There will be no slip-up...Abraham should enter upon the actual possession of his promised inheritance in the year 1925' (Watchtower Oct. 15, 1917, p. 6157
    Rutherford "made it very clear" that he DID know about the outcome of this prophesy, one of many others by Rutherford.    Neither Russel nor Rutherford purely "reignited first century teachings" of scriptures, but ignited their own falsehoods.  Why write a book against the Prohibition?  What use is that as a teacher under Christ.  The same spiritual blood runs through the veins of each leader in the WT, down to today.  They are not "brothers" sharing the spirit of Christ, since lies would not be tolerated by him.  
    How horrible it will be for those
        who string people along with lies and empty promises,
        whose lives are sinful.
    19         They say,
                “Let God hurry and quickly do his work
                    so that we may see what he has in mind.
                Let the plan of the Holy One of Israel happen quickly
                    so that we may understand what he is doing.”
    20 How horrible it will be for those
        who call evil good and good evil,
        who turn darkness into light and light into darkness,
        who turn what is bitter into something sweet
            and what is sweet into something bitter.
    21 How horrible it will be for those
        who think they are wise
            and consider themselves to be clever.
    22 How horrible it will be for those
        who are heroes at drinking wine,
        who are champions at mixing drinks,
    23     who declare the guilty innocent for a bribe,
        who take away the rights of righteous people.  Isa 5:18-23
     
     
    https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2020/04/discerning-false-christs-and-false.html
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Furuli's new e-book: "My Beloved Religion - And The Governing Body"   
    Pyramidology was not a first century teaching. 
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Furuli's new e-book: "My Beloved Religion - And The Governing Body"   
    However, Jesus did give us guidance to discern a "faithful slave" from a wicked one.
    "Food" - Matt 7:15-20
     
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Furuli's new e-book: "My Beloved Religion - And The Governing Body"   
    When you speaking this way about JW religion, and that's work for other religions too, is moment in which believer expect, need to lean on firm and truthful beliefs and doctrine in own church. What sort of people are satisfied with changing of this sort? What you named as "clarification" as a process is something what we do not expect from God who never change his moral and spiritual standards: “For I the Lord do not change -  Numbers book. 
    And now you are here to convince us how this Bible verse about God need appendix and clarification perhaps because past ideology about what is the meaning of this verse is/was error. 
    What could be error? Expression that god do not change, or error are human claims how your or mine interpretations about this verse need clarification or are wrong?
    Particular problem with JW religion in this issue is not reality of progress in thoughts. Problems are these:
    1) Only GB and Helpers are entitled to have advanced, progressive thoughts and to change own and members beliefs system   
    2) Only GB and Helpers are entitled to change previous doctrines that was created and "firmly established" under "guidance" of Jesus and God and Bible
    3) Only GB and Helpers are in position to blame members because they (members) misunderstand "clear teachings"
    4) Every doctrinal error must be obeyed until GB and Helpers decide to be different, otherwise you will be named as apostate
     
     
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Furuli's new e-book: "My Beloved Religion - And The Governing Body"   
    If you don't mind. You are right in logical reality, not everyone have talent to be leader. 
    But if GB or You want to use Matthew verses about FDS on GB, than you forget how this verses not speaking about Leaders or Governing Body, but ONLY about Servants who in his hands brings food to the table to those who are hungry. 
    Hungry people don’t need leaders, they need chefs and waiters.
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Furuli's new e-book: "My Beloved Religion - And The Governing Body"   
    WT Administration rejected and/or changed many of spiritual and administrative inheritance that Russell and Rutherford left to successors after their death. What is continuation is: publishing, preaching, donations, hierarchy. 
    You ask for "proof". How can you prove "spiritual realm"?? You only have faith for that. That, in other words, include how one individual have to trust in another individual's claims.  
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    Witness reacted to Ann O'Maly in Furuli's new e-book: "My Beloved Religion - And The Governing Body"   
    Sure, a person can make a judgment on how he thinks a slave is performing, but it's subjective and his view may not align with that of Jesus when the time comes. And yes, Matt 7:15-20 is pertinent. People can also get used to eating poor quality food and think it's good. That's why the Bible teaches that it's Jesus who has to judge.
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Furuli's new e-book: "My Beloved Religion - And The Governing Body"   
    However, Jesus did give us guidance to discern a "faithful slave" from a wicked one.
    "Food" - Matt 7:15-20
     
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Furuli's new e-book: "My Beloved Religion - And The Governing Body"   
    “Who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time? Happy is that slave if his master on coming finds him doing so! Truly I say to you, he will appoint him over all his belongings.- Matthew 24:45-47
    WTJWorg study articles shows enough rowing and wondering (wandering too). First they claimed how Jesus and JHVH appointed them in 1919 (who ever that was be in 1919 in WT Company) inside Matt 24:45-47 wording. It looks how appointing was based on idea how Jesus freed Rutherford and Associates from prison and immediately appointed them. WT soon president Rutherford with his helpers releasing was explained  as sort of intervention from Heaven that freed WT from bondage of "Babylon the Great and Political powers". And because of that Jesus gave them special position in earthly Kingdom of His, that is task to serve as food servers. 
    It is very likely how act of releasing from prison was EXPLAINED by Administration in later time, as God's intervention (not lawyers efforts) because God want them to be His Representatives on Earth. 
    When WT publications speaking about 1914-1919 period they call it "time of testing and refinement".  The only important thing (for our investigation) that was happening in the Society at that time was the Administrative Battle for supremacy and who will control Corporation. 
    In 1927 Bible Students reaffirmed "understanding" how Russel alone was not FDS, but how FDS are entire body of faithful spirit-anointed Christians. Even more, "visible agency" (WTS) is FDS, according to Proclaimers book, page 219.
    Today WTJWorg teach differently. 8 men in GB were not living in time when Jesus made His first personal appointing of entire body. Well, this looks as: Jesus came many times again, from 1919 to nowadays, for reason to appoint all those who served in Director capacity or today in GB capacity. It seems how Jesus frequently visiting US Branch Bethel and put particular JW members on position of GB. Because that is to be expected, since 1919 marked the way how this have to be done, by Jesus himself, for every new name of FDS aka GB that comes to public. 
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    Witness reacted to Ann O'Maly in Furuli's new e-book: "My Beloved Religion - And The Governing Body"   
    Furuli makes a good point after quoting from the Box on p. 25 of the July 15, 2013 WT about the hypothetical 'evil slave' and its comment, "Jesus did not say that he would appoint an evil slave." On p. 79-80 he argues,
    "The observations of The Watchtower accord with the grammar. And the conclusion that Jesus did not appoint an evil slave can also be applied to “the faithful and discreet slave” (literally: “the faithful slave, even the wise one”): Jesus did not appoint the “faithful and discreet slave.” In connection with both slaves, there are questions, and this shows that both situations are hypothetical. So the conclusion is that that there has never been “a faithful and discreet slave” in the sense used by the GB. But when Jesus comes as the judge in the great tribulation, there will be many individual faithful and discreet slaves who are doing their job, and who are on the watch. And similarly, there will be many individual wicked slaves who will be punished." [bold mine]
    As has long been argued by many before Furuli, Matt 24:45-47 is a parable that poses a question, and is not a prophecy about C.T. Russell (taught till 1927) or class of anointed remnant left on earth (taught till 2012) or an elite leadership at WTHQ (current teaching) that was appointed in 1919. If the 'evil slave' is hypothetical, so is the 'faithful and discreet slave.'
    Under current teaching, any declaration that the slave has been performing faithfully and discreetly (or otherwise) is a future one when Jesus 'arrives' to inspect his household and he makes that determination one way or the other. Therefore, at present, the question of 'who really is the faithful and discreet slave ...?' remains unanswered.
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    Witness got a reaction from Matthew9969 in THE CHOSEN   
    This series is a "Bible-based" drama.  Is this any different than what the WT does to create their Bible based dramas?  I don't think so, except for the quality.  
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in THE CHOSEN   
    This series is a "Bible-based" drama.  Is this any different than what the WT does to create their Bible based dramas?  I don't think so, except for the quality.  
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Furuli's new e-book: "My Beloved Religion - And The Governing Body"   
    Have you same Understanding for Dr. Furuli? and his doubts, lack of faith, searching for "better", "truer"  truth,  ....etc?
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Furuli's new e-book: "My Beloved Religion - And The Governing Body"   
    WT do printing publication on several  locations around the globe, less than before because they shuted down some facilities. 
     
    In Croatia, as in many other countries there is no need to have printing licence from law. Because they not printing publications and books. For printing tracts for summer convention program or some other convention twice a year, call tracts for public meetings and Lord's supper is easily to order in "worldly" printing shop.
    In Mexico they was registered as Cultural Society.
    Why JW's need to be registered as non-profit organization/corporation?? You can be simple Religious Association of Citizens or International Religious Volunteer. Who forced JW's to be registered as non-profit COMPANY??
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Furuli's new e-book: "My Beloved Religion - And The Governing Body"   
    If GB members are here, exists only for one reason and that is to "dispense spiritual food" - i would like to know WHO forcing them to be seen as or to be board members of corporation? What government put obligation, forcing this 8 (+names in the past) particular GB names to run corporation, to be in any corporative capacity?
    And why this 8 (+names in the past) names agreed to be part of government obligation when that obligation put them into position to have not enough time to serve for interest of Kingdom and their King but involving them, dragging them into work, business of this old world system ? .... like a good soldier of Christ Jesus.  No one serving as a soldier gets entangled in civilian affairs, but rather tries to please his commanding officer. 2 Tim 2 4
    It seems how GB forget this Principle and failed to be FDS for decades until big changes (in 2000 i guess). And now they serve as TV Preachers.
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    Witness reacted to Matthew9969 in Jehovah’s Witnesses Sue FaithLeaks Owners Over Convention Videos   
    "1975 will mark the end of 6,000 years of human history"
    That's a pretty straight forward statement indeed.
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    Witness reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in I have barely seen a more stupid chart in my life   
    When using the actions of 'the world' to make excuses for the actions of one's own religion then In My Opinion (and I am allowed an opinion) it makes them part of the world. 
    To say that everyone else does this or that, is judging one's own standards by 'worldly standards', not by God's standards.. 
    For instance, saying that CSA is everywhere in 'the world', is not a good enough reason to accept it in one's own religion. And to say that everyone else misquotes scientists etc, is not a good reason to think that deliberately misquoting someone is good. 
    Jehovah's Witnesses think that their Organisation's standards are higher than the standards of 'the world'. This is being constantly disproved, not only by 'opposers' but by JWs themselves. Therefor the CCJW Organisation, like most other religions, is just part of the world. 
    The Spirit of this world includes, telling lies, being deceitful, hiding the truth, being dishonest, lacking love and mercy and mistreating others. Many Jehovah's Witnesses, from the top downwards, are guilty of these things. Hence i say that they are part of this world. 
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Furuli's new e-book: "My Beloved Religion - And The Governing Body"   
    Ok, one side of logic triggered next question: Why WT doing the same, writing and publishing books (Bibles and tracts, magazines, brochures) ?
    Because they also know how Jesus is aware of everything that is going on Earth, not only in this or that organization.
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    Witness got a reaction from Space Merchant in THE CHOSEN   
    Good thoughts, @4Jah2me. I eventually watched the whole season, enjoying every minute of it.
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    Witness reacted to Ann O'Maly in Furuli's new e-book: "My Beloved Religion - And The Governing Body"   
    I have worked in different schools and currently work in a school.
    Are you an educational consultant to know that all new syllabi teach young children 'porneia'? Or have you seized on a couple of sensationalist headlines to form a generalized opinion about what you imagine is going on?
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in THE CHOSEN   
    Good thoughts, @4Jah2me. I eventually watched the whole season, enjoying every minute of it.
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Furuli's new e-book: "My Beloved Religion - And The Governing Body"   
    This is funny. Let tell us please, when and how will WT stop to promote "overlapping generation" scheme (very connected to "the end of World" ideology as was the 1975 too), and start to point to some individuals in organization who were over zeal in their attempts, how to explain and prolong life to "Generation of 1914" failed doctrine ?  
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    Witness reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in THE CHOSEN   
    The Chosen isn't supposed to be correct to scripture. But you know that anyway. I wonder if this is just yet another dig at me.  Such a shame. 
    It is about the lives of the Jewish people at that time.  
    I've watched the first Series and I think it is very good. I don't want to watch Jesus being killed, i want to watch Jesus when He lived. And to see his disciples and how they interacted. 
    It is totally way off from the Bible. But well worth viewing. Why ? Because whilst you are watching it your mind is concentrating on Jesus, His disciples, the Jewish way of life, the 'nasty' Romans, and the general feel of what it would have been like. 
    It's a shame some folks have to dissect it. I get the sense that such ones must be rather unhappy in their lives. 
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    Witness reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Furuli's new e-book: "My Beloved Religion - And The Governing Body"   
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolf_Furuli?fbclid=IwAR1hVDMbNLhaYsVijFkSQinHVUTf8N9iSM0LgwjSXiz-jIwqTM2ZDfq-nno
    I think his Wiki page showing his previous works gives enough evidence of his use of higher education and the first red.it link gives a clue as to content of this book. But Tom only quote half and then avoids the true point of it all as usual. 
     @Ann O'Maly 
    "The “faithful and discreet slave” refers to any Christian who is
    faithful and on the watch when Jesus comes as the judge in the
    great tribulation. It does not refer to a class that gives spiritual
    food during Christ’s presence." - p. 72.
    I think I'd go with what God's word says on this one....  Matthew 24 v 45 
    “Who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time?
    I love your choice of words here.  Quote "  what 'apostates' have banged on about for decades. "
    I think the truth is, that it is nice to have different viewpoints. 
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