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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in DOES GOD HAVE AN ORGANIZATION?   
    Did Jesus regularly visiting Temple and Synagogues, led by Jew Priesthood, and humbly obey lessons given by Priesthood?  
    If He didn't, than we can rightly speaking about that how He rejected Temple and all what Temple representing to Jew people. He expected from people to follow Him, and not Temple and Priesthood in Temple. By that He also showed how He rejecting Temple.
     
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    Witness got a reaction from derek1956 in ARE JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES IDOLATERS?   
    Ps 119:30 – “The unfolding of your words gives light; it gives understanding to the simple.”
    Dear JWs,
    Can an idol hear the words of God?  Idolatry is sourced in the spirit of the world, where Satan wields his authority. 1 John 5:19  An idol cannot speak the words of God, aiding others to reach the light of understanding and truth.   John 17:17 
    An idol has no compassion toward those in need, extending its hand to comfort the afflicted and those suffering in sorrow; fully able to sense their needs.   It cannot comprehend the examples of love and compassion we have in Christ.  Matt 11:28-30   
    If an idol is unable to hear and speak the Word of God in Christ, then surely we know it can never walk in the path of Christ, or shine the light of truth when under the power of the wicked one.    1 Sam 12:21; Ps 119:1-5
    Can an earthly fabrication, run by men, EVER bring salvation to ANYONE who joins it?  And what if it does purport to be the way to salvation; can those who represent it, hear, speak, and walk in the Word of God and the path of Christ?  No.  It would be an act of rebellion to assign salvation to anything other than the name that scripture declares as our salvation. Its leaders would be false teachers, appearing as “ministers of light”, “holding to a form of godliness, although having denied its power”.   Ps 18:2; Acts 4:12; 2 Cor 11:13-15; 2 Tim 3:5   
     Yes, idolatry IS an act of rebellion against God.  Ezek 20:8;Ps 78:58  
    How do you feel about the following proclamation by your leaders, JWs?
    Watchtower 1981/11/15:  “come to Jehovah’s ORGANIZATION for SALVATION”   pg 16-21 par 18
    “There are those who rebel against the light, who do not know its ways or stay in its paths.” Job 24:13
    If we take another fork in the Watchtower’s twisted road to “salvation”, what do your leaders say?
    Watchtower 90/11/1 p. 26 – “We cannot take part in any modern version of idolatry – be it worshipful gestures toward an IMAGE OR SYMBOL or the imputing of SALVATION to a PERSON or an ORGANIZATION. 
    Please, think about this the next time you view an exJW as an “apostate”.  Do you know that the most threatening “apostates” to the organization are those who have turned fully to God and Christ?  Why?  They do not hide their “lamp” under a basket, but speak the Word of God boldly for all of you to hear.  The Word of God is truth, which exposes the Watchtower’s idolatrous identity.  Luke 11:33; Rev 11:1-3; 13:1,5,11,14-17  
    There is no need to return to “Jehovah’s organization”, since it is, according to the above Watchtower quote, an IDOL.  Those who desire to walk in the light of Christ, seek out the pure words of God, untainted by men, their decrees and twisted reasoning.  They have come to know that the Father does not stand on equal ground with an organization, but He alone is our Rock and our fortress.  Isa 46:5; 42:8; 2:7-10  
    They have found the true God. They have returned to pure worship. Isa 57:13; Ps 24:3,4
    Watchtower 1953/3/1 p. 143:  “Ask yourself now, Did Christ Jesus, who set our example and told us to follow his example to gain life, join any church ORGANIZATION in his day?  No.  GOD DOES NOT REQUIRE US TO DO THAT; but he requires us to worship him…  We have the Bible to show us the right way.  CERTAINLY IT IS NOT NECESSARY FOR A PERSON TO BECOME A MEMBER OF A CHURCH TO GAIN EVERLASTING LIFE.”
    Who then, is the apostate?  One who stays clear of worldly organizations and worships in “spirit and truth”, or is it you, and your leaders who have rebelled against God by glorifying “Jehovah’s organization”?    Please, reject the Watchtower Idol, JWs.  As with all idols, this one is destined to topple soon.  John 4:23,24  
     
    Psalm 115:
    Not to us, YHVH, not to us,
    but to Your name give glory
    because of Your faithful love, because of Your truth.
    2 Why should the nations say,
    “Where is their God?” 
    3 Our God is in heaven
    and does whatever He pleases.
    4 Their idols are silver and gold,
    made by human hands.
    5 They have mouths but cannot speak,
    eyes, but cannot see.
    6 They have ears but cannot hear,
    noses, but cannot smell.
    7 They have hands but cannot feel,
    feet, but cannot walk.
    They cannot make a sound with their throats.

    8 Those who make them are just like them,
    as are all who trust in them.
    9 House of Israel, trust in YHVH!
    He is their help and shield.

    10 House of Aaron, trust in YHVH!
    He is their help and shield.

    11 You who fear the Lord, trust in YHVH!
    He is their help and shield.

    12 The Lord remembers us and will bless us.
    He will bless the house of Israel;
    he will bless the house of Aaron;
    13 he will bless those who fear the Lord—
    small and great alike.
    14 May the Lord add to your numbers,
    both yours and your children’s.
    15 May you be blessed by the Lord,
    the Maker of heaven and earth.
    16 The heavens are the Lord’s heavens
    but the earth he has given to the children of men.

    17 It is not the dead who praise the Lord,
    nor any of those descending into the silence of death.
    18 But we will bless the Lord,
    both now and forever.
    Praise the Lord!
     
    Pearl Doxsey 
        "Can the Watchtower Crumble?"
        "Who is the False Prophet that Gives Breath to the Image of the Beast?"
     
     
     
     

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    Witness got a reaction from derek1956 in ARE JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES IDOLATERS?   
    “I have told you these things to keep you from stumbling. 2 They will ban you from the synagogues. In fact, a time is coming when anyone who kills you will think he is offering service to God.  John 16:1,2
    "Ban" - disfellowshipping/shunning
    "kill" - disfelloshipping/shunning
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in DOES GOD HAVE AN ORGANIZATION?   
    Where did Jesus say the preaching would be done in the last days?
    What I am doing?  Who do I “preach” to?  Who does Pearl “preach” to?  Who do others I know preach to? Spiritual “Israel” – the anointed, and also those with them.  Matt 10:23  This preaching will not finish before "the Son of Man comes".  
    And also…
    “those exiting the “city” – JWs who are leaving the Watchtower.  Rev 18:4-8; Matt 22:8-10
    Proof is not in “increased proclamation of Jesus”, since the Mormons do the same thing.  My neighbor, a Baptist, does the same thing. Besides, your proclamation is primarily of the organization as salvation, not Jesus alone as our salvation.   Proof is not evident in hundreds of carts toting magazines and books soon to be outdated and possibly discarded, but in the power of Holy Spirit and His purpose to use even a few people to accomplish a large task.  Zech 4:6,7; Matt 17:11;Rev 11:1-3
    The article gives you absolute proof.  The quotes from the WT, give you absolute proof.  God favors His “special possession”, His priesthood.  Yet, right now, they are silenced.  He does not “favor” the organization, but He allows it to exist.  He is allowing His anointed to be “sifted” by Satan. Luke 22:31 The proof is in scripture.  Read 2 Thess 2:1-4.  Tell me, how will the “man of lawlessness” “sit” in the Temple of God?  The anointed Temple members are “safe” in the Watchtower. 1 Thess 5:3  How will “Gentiles” take over God’s sanctuary in Rev 11:1-3?  How will this take place outside of the organization when the anointed are inside?  1 Cor 3:16,17
    It is an “inside” operation.  If God’s Temple priests are TOLD by men they cannot BOND OR SEEK OUT OTHER ANOINTED ONES, can you see that God’s Temple is “trampled”?  Matt 24:15; Dan 8:13   
    Daniel describes the fourth Beast that tramples God’s saints.  The organization is that Beast guided by a false prophet.   Dan 7:19; Rev 13:1,11
    God's anointed don't just step into heaven.  They must be refined and found worthy of serving God. Rev 3:18  They must completely follow Christ's footsteps; persecuted, even losing all loved ones, and considered "dead", which happens when leaving the WT. Matt 19:29; 10:39; John 16:2; Rev 13:15; Rev 2:10  Satan tests each one, and during these last days, the test is the most deceptive he has come up with, since he is about to lose his kingdom. Rev 12:3,4;12:7   The org is his magnificent ruse that is now falling apart at the seams.  It really is time to get out.  
    Rev 16:13-15
    You said, "Does this mean the ancient prophets were not sent by God to speak on his behalf?"
    I answered, "NO, why would it?"
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in DOES GOD HAVE AN ORGANIZATION?   
    No, why would it?
    He prophesied of the new arrangement of worship – the  Temple where he would be its Head and chief cornerstone.  Col 1:18; 1 Pet 2:6
    Jesus answered and said to them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.” But He was speaking of the temple of His body.”  John 2:19,21
    “See! Your house is left to you desolate; 39 for I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’ ”Matt 23:38,39
      I have proof of what God’s organization is.  That is what the article was about…with scriptures.  Read it again.   Can YOU give ME proof that the Watchtower IS God’s visible organization?
    This shows how little you know of God’s Temple priesthood and the anointed Body of Christ, Allen.  We’ve been down this road before, otherwise I would not end up raising my voice with you...using capital letters.  
    Who is the “chief cornerstone” of your organization?  The WT leaders? It cannot be Jesus since the foundation stones of God’s organization are Temple members – the apostles and prophets.  Those Temple members are anointed priests, the “royal priesthood” under Christ.  They make up the Body of Christ.  1 Pet 2:7; Eph 2:19-22; 1 Pet 2:5,9
    That is really a weird request.  Are you afraid of my using God’s word to expose truth?
    We’ll start with "subjective, objective, speculative, using conjecture, being biased, and self-serving": 
    “Representing the royal priesthood are appointed elders, who serve in positions of responsibility in congregations of Jehovah’s people around the earth. These men deserve our respect and wholehearted support, whether they are of the anointed or not. Rather than challenge their authority, we truly appreciate our hardworking elders!” WT 02/8/1 p. 13,14
     "In addition, anointed Christians do not view themselves as being part of an elite club. They do not seek out others who claim to have the same calling, hoping to bond with them or endeavoring to form private groups for Bible study".  WT 1/16 pg 24
    Are you able to conclude from your leader's quotes that God’s priesthood appointed by Him IS NOT USED, AND MUST BE SUBSERVIENT TO A "REPRESENTATIVE" PRIESTHOOD,  WHICH PROVES THAT THE GENUINE ORGANIZATION OF GOD IS VEILED BY A COUNTERFEIT – THE WATCHTOWER?  2 Thess 2:3,4  CAN YOU SEE THAT THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT THE BEAST/ORGANIZATION OF REVELATION ACCOMPLISHES?
    And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue for forty-two months. 6 Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven. 7 It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation.
    The "saints", the anointed, are "overcome"/conquered  by blasphemies about THEM.  The source of blasphemies is "Jehovah's organization" - a counterfeit, a scam.  
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in The French Speaking Baptist Church of Stratford is now located in the former Jehovah's Witnesses Kingdom Hall at 494 Milford Point Road.   
    TTH “The only reason to oppose such building and organization is to break up, ideally even eliminate, the coordinated preaching work that it facilitates. It is no more complicated than that. Say it plainly, and you will win some respect for frankness. But to mischaracterize operational expense as “abuse” is just too devious.”
    A "coordinated preaching work" that leads people to be baptized in its name - "Jehovah's organization"?
    That is devious and abusive to God's Word.
    A "coordinated preaching work" that introduces people into an organization that hides its sins of child abuse?  
    Most definitely devious and most definitely abusive.  
    A "coordinated preaching work" that uses "state of the art" fancy technology including three video studios because, out of greed, they can't stop building, which takes donated money to operate each new fun thing they build?
    When does it all stop being spiritually and physically abusive to the average JW, who blindly supports the lie?
    IT IS ALL VERY DEVIOUS.
    2 Thess 2:9-12
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    Witness got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in DOES GOD HAVE AN ORGANIZATION?   
    Is a Body organized? How could it continue to function, if it were not? Do not our eyes work along with our hands?... Our heart beating, work in harmony with our breathing so that oxygen reaches all our cells... our kidneys cleaning our blood and our digestion to feed our whole body? Yes, God does work through an organized Body, and has done so since it's head, Jesus Christ, took over as the leader of the Christian congregation (1Cor.12:27; Col.1:18).

    The fact that God is organized, and that He possesses and reigns over an organization in the earth... DOES NOT require that such an organization IS "JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES"! This is simple to understand.  Just because a man has a wife, does not require that any woman, qualifies to be his wife.
    Stating that the WT is God's visible organization, is an assumption with no basis... especially since scripture itself, identifies God's visible organization... and it is NOT the WT.

    --God's Word identifies the organized Body of Christ, as the anointed Bride of Christ. That Body, is NOT the WT organization. The WT organization is a counterfeit imposition that superimposes itself upon the genuine, with the goal of replacing and veiling the genuine.

    Yes... God is organized. God has a visible organization/Temple priesthood, in the earth.  That organized Body of Christ, is the means through which, truth is offered to all, and through which baptism into divine truth is made possible, and a dedication to the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is set within reach.
    No declaration or vow of loyalty to the genuine messengers of truth and life, is required upon baptism (1Cor.1:13-15; Acts19:1-5).

    The way, truth, and life from Christ (through his ambassadors), is the object of one's dedication, worship, and service, for Christ (Gal.1:10).

    The body of Christ/God's Temple priesthood, is a reality (1Pet.2:5,9; Eph.2:20-22; Rev.1:5-6; 5:9-10).

    It is an expression of God's organized method to offer truth and life in the visible world. The WT has stolen that identity by it's organization of impostors, replacing "Jerusalem above" with the governing body... and switching God's priests with "elders" that are spiritual Gentiles. That counterfeit temple results in the trampling down of God's chosen Bride of Christ, and establishes the "disgusting thing", taking a stand, over the "holy place". Jesus said that when we are able to perceive it, we must Flee! (Mark13:14-15; Luke17:30-37; Rev.12:14,6; 11:3)
    Pearl Doxsey
     
    4womaninthewilderness blogspot - 
    "The Disgusting Thing Standing in the Holy Place"
    "Flee--Where?"
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    Witness got a reaction from derek1956 in DOES GOD HAVE AN ORGANIZATION?   
    Is a Body organized? How could it continue to function, if it were not? Do not our eyes work along with our hands?... Our heart beating, work in harmony with our breathing so that oxygen reaches all our cells... our kidneys cleaning our blood and our digestion to feed our whole body? Yes, God does work through an organized Body, and has done so since it's head, Jesus Christ, took over as the leader of the Christian congregation (1Cor.12:27; Col.1:18).

    The fact that God is organized, and that He possesses and reigns over an organization in the earth... DOES NOT require that such an organization IS "JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES"! This is simple to understand.  Just because a man has a wife, does not require that any woman, qualifies to be his wife.
    Stating that the WT is God's visible organization, is an assumption with no basis... especially since scripture itself, identifies God's visible organization... and it is NOT the WT.

    --God's Word identifies the organized Body of Christ, as the anointed Bride of Christ. That Body, is NOT the WT organization. The WT organization is a counterfeit imposition that superimposes itself upon the genuine, with the goal of replacing and veiling the genuine.

    Yes... God is organized. God has a visible organization/Temple priesthood, in the earth.  That organized Body of Christ, is the means through which, truth is offered to all, and through which baptism into divine truth is made possible, and a dedication to the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is set within reach.
    No declaration or vow of loyalty to the genuine messengers of truth and life, is required upon baptism (1Cor.1:13-15; Acts19:1-5).

    The way, truth, and life from Christ (through his ambassadors), is the object of one's dedication, worship, and service, for Christ (Gal.1:10).

    The body of Christ/God's Temple priesthood, is a reality (1Pet.2:5,9; Eph.2:20-22; Rev.1:5-6; 5:9-10).

    It is an expression of God's organized method to offer truth and life in the visible world. The WT has stolen that identity by it's organization of impostors, replacing "Jerusalem above" with the governing body... and switching God's priests with "elders" that are spiritual Gentiles. That counterfeit temple results in the trampling down of God's chosen Bride of Christ, and establishes the "disgusting thing", taking a stand, over the "holy place". Jesus said that when we are able to perceive it, we must Flee! (Mark13:14-15; Luke17:30-37; Rev.12:14,6; 11:3)
    Pearl Doxsey
     
    4womaninthewilderness blogspot - 
    "The Disgusting Thing Standing in the Holy Place"
    "Flee--Where?"
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in The French Speaking Baptist Church of Stratford is now located in the former Jehovah's Witnesses Kingdom Hall at 494 Milford Point Road.   
    TTH:  "The 'abuses' you site are no more than basic human needs - done 'on the cheap' to the degree possible." 
    Yes, so 'cheaply' that the organization bought polluted land and put their volunteers to work to clean up the toxic waste. And the purchase of this land was supposedly directed by God. What a slap in the face...unless... they bought it, hoping to make their money back in lawsuits won.   Hmm, that would be another god's recommendation.  
    So, did they know it was polluted when they bought it?  I personally believe they did.
    Do they care about the future health of their volunteers who did the "dirty work"?
    The "House of God" - Bethel - is built on toxic land.   Well, since the true "House of God" is within the hearts of His anointed Temple, (1 Cor 3:16,17) then how fitting for Watchtower.  
    https://www.recordonline.com/article/20151214/NEWS/151219671
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in The French Speaking Baptist Church of Stratford is now located in the former Jehovah's Witnesses Kingdom Hall at 494 Milford Point Road.   
    All eyes are trained on the organization, and its need to flourish; regardless of JWs’ own physical circumstances.   After Stephen Lett gave his broadcasting statement that ‘more money is going out, than coming in’, and the need for more donations, I read one woman’s comment admitting she needed to put a tighter reign on her budget in order to donate more to the organization.  She was willing to sacrifice her few family’s personal pleasures to satisfy the GB’s wishes – men who live comfortably and lack nothing.
    This is absolute robbery by persuasion.  In the meantime, men have been chosen to attend universities and receive a lawyer’s degree, also to assure the organization’s ability to flourish.  But I’ve said all this before. 
    God doesn’t need anything, as Acts 17:24,25  points out.  Organizations are always in need, so what or who do JWs love more?  Who’s wishes are more respected; God’s, or men who love their organization and expect you to do the same?
    Now when the people saw that Moses delayed coming down from the mountain, the people gathered together to Aaron, and said to him, “Come, make us gods that shall go before us; for as for this Moses, the man who brought us up out of the land of Egypt, we do not know what has become of him.”
    2 And Aaron said to them, “Break off the golden earrings which are in the ears of your wives, your sons, and your daughters, and bring them to me.” 3 So all the people broke off the golden earrings which were in their ears, and brought them to Aaron. 4 And he received the gold from their hand, and he fashioned it with an engraving tool, and made a molded calf.
    Then they said, “This is your god, O Israel, that brought you out of the land of Egypt!”
    5 So when Aaron saw it, he built an altar before it. And Aaron made a proclamation and said, “Tomorrow is a feast to the Lord.” 6 Then they rose early on the next day, offered burnt offerings, and brought peace offerings; and the people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.  Exod 32:1-6 
    “May each of us stick to God, keep pace with his people, and continue to move ahead with Jehovah’s organization.” WT 14/5/15
    “…gods that shall go before us” – “…move ahead with Jehovah’s organization”
    “…a feast to the Lord” - “…stick to God”
    From the same article:
    “My early experience taught me how unsound it is to rely on human reasoning. Once my mind had been resolved on that point, I determined to stay by the faithful organization. How else can one get Jehovah’s favor and blessing?”
    How else?   John 14:6; Acts 4:12
    And the Lord said to Moses, “Go, get down! For your people whom you brought out of the land of Egypt have corrupted themselves. 8 They have turned aside quickly out of the way which I commanded them. They have made themselves a molded calf, and worshiped it and sacrificed to it, and said, ‘This is your god, O Israel, that brought you out of the land of Egypt!’ ” 9 And the Lord said to Moses, “I have seen this people, and indeed it is a stiff-necked people!”  Exod 32:7-9 
    41 And they made a calf in those days, offered sacrifices to the idol, and rejoiced in the works of their own hands. 
     “However, the Most High does not dwell in temples made with hands, as the prophet says”
     “You stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears! You always resist the Holy Spirit; as your fathers did, so do you”  Acts 7:41,48,51
    So they worshiped the dragon who gave authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast? (“How else can one get Jehovah’s favor and blessing?”) Who is able to make war with him?” Rev 13:4
    And all the world marveled and followed the beast. Rev 13:3b   (“move ahead with Jehovah’s organization”)
    This “beast” symbolically “kills” all who reject it as “spirit-directed”, as belonging to God, per instructions from a false prophet.
    15 He was granted power to give breath (spirit) to the image of the beast, (“Jehovah’s spirit-directed organization”)  that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed.   Rev 13:15
    “What kind of offenses are regarded as disfellowshiping offenses? These include persistence in sexual offenses, stealing, lying, dishonest business practices, rebellion against Jehovah’s organization, slandering, drunkenness, apostasy, teaching of false doctrine and other wrongs. W 63/7/1 p. 410-411
     
    The apostles never admired, or put their trust and faith in an earthly organization.  They spoke of Christ as salvation, as sent to us by the Father. You speak these words about Christ, but fail to grasp them.    The apostles taught of the unity of the anointed Body of Christ and its blessings in the Kingdom.   They taught that any earthly endeavors contradict Christ’s message. Phil 3:18,19
    How JWs have been fooled.  2 Thess 2:9-12
     
     
     
     
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in The French Speaking Baptist Church of Stratford is now located in the former Jehovah's Witnesses Kingdom Hall at 494 Milford Point Road.   
    Sorry, but when somebody doing buys and sells (real estates, shares and holdings ...etc) than that it is a business.  
     
    No one of us, and no one of JW member, and no one of GB member are not want to live as Jesus was. Jesus himself gave this advice, instruction: -  Jesus told him, “If you want to be perfect, go,  sell your  possessions  and  give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow Me.”  -Mat 19
    Well, here He said, sell, give to the poor. Does WT Society poor? Do GB members poor? If they are not, than why members give donations to Organization, Corporation? According to Jesus' words individual is responsible for finding this "poor" and give personal help. If you want to "organize" help, do it. :))
    Jesus didn't give idea how followers have to collect and donate money to Him or to Apostles, for their accommodation, food, clothes, transportation, dentist, solar energy and green roofs ... or for their Preaching Activity. 
    I am sure how there is many "poor" JW witnesses in the world. They need to receive help, not WT Corporations. You know story of average ideology. You eat meat, i eat greens .... in average WE are eating cabbage rolls :)))) 
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in The French Speaking Baptist Church of Stratford is now located in the former Jehovah's Witnesses Kingdom Hall at 494 Milford Point Road.   
    Nope.  I gave the answer to what is "good", according to the Father: 
    "you yourselves, as living stones, a spiritual house, are being built to be a holy priesthood to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ."
    "But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his possession, so that you may proclaim the praises of the one who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light. "  1 Pet 2:5,9
    "Don’t you yourselves know that you are God’s temple and that the Spirit of God lives in you?"  1 Cor 3:16
    "built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the cornerstone. 21 In him the whole building, being put together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord. 22 In him you are also being built together for God’s dwelling in the Spirit."
    "And they sang a new song:
    You are worthy to take the scroll
    and to open its seals,
    because you were slaughtered,
    and you purchased people
    for God by your blood
    from every tribe and language
    and people and nation.
    You made them a kingdom
    and priests to our God,
    and they will reign on the earth."  Rev 5:9,10
    “The one who conquers I will make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will never go out again. I will write on him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God—the new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from my God—and my new name."  Rev 3:12
    "I did not see a temple in it, because the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. 23 The city does not need the sun or the moon to shine on it, because the glory of God illuminates it, and its lamp is the Lamb. 24 The nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it."  Rev 21:22-24
    "And what agreement does the temple of God have with idols? For we are the temple of the living God, as God said: I will dwell and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they will be my people."
    The true Temple, the "spiritual house", the "whole building" is God's.  He does not require the dedication of earthly buildings using the world's assets. I hope JWs can let these scriptures sink into the brain and heart:
    However, the Most High [the One infinitely exalted above humanity] does not dwell in houses (temple/shrine/sanctuary) made by human hands; as the prophet [Isaiah] says,
    49 
    ‘Heaven is My throne,
    And the earth is the footstool for My feet;
    What kind of house (any dwelling place/home/tabernacle/tent) will you build for Me?’ says the Lord,
    ‘Or what place is there for My rest?  Acts 7:48-50
    "The God who created the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands;  nor is He served by human hands, as though He needed anything, because it is He who gives to all [people] life and breath and all things."  Acts 17:24,25
    Does God need buildings dedicated to Him?  No.  Does He want buildings dedicated to Him? No.  If men in their arrogance decide to dedicate their building accomplishment to God, He won't dwell in them anyway.  His Spirit will not be found in a building, because men's ideals and accomplishments transgress His word.  
     
     
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in The French Speaking Baptist Church of Stratford is now located in the former Jehovah's Witnesses Kingdom Hall at 494 Milford Point Road.   
    Money and Place for worship.
    What is connection in this two opposite things? What was purpose for money boxes in Jerusalem Temple?
    What is origin and purpose of "treasury" from Jew ancient times to Jerusalem in Jesus' time? 
    Before money (coins and later paper) came to be meaning for pay, people giving material things as animals, gold, grain, wine, oil and similar valuable things as Offering to God (for house of JHVH -  "All the silver and gold and the articles of bronze and iron are sacred to the LORD and must go into his treasury.” "Then they burned the whole city and everything in it, but they put the silver and gold and the articles of bronze and iron into the treasury of the LORD’s house.- Joshua 6. And as support or payment for priests. Also as support for God's wars in Israel nation. For building and repairing house for God and also for house for King. For the maintenance of the temple and its ministry. 
    What is purpose of money box that was in possession of Jesus and The 12? For Temple, for some Building where they gathered together? For ministry service, preaching service ....? Who came to idea to carry money box and collecting money and for what purpose? It is something about "the poor" in John 12, but comment made by writer explaining how Judas was thief, in fact. 
    Who are "thief" today in WT Society and in JW org? Who holds, carry "money box" in Organization and for what reason? 
    :)) We must understand something. Where is Money, there is chaos and mess. Money corrupts people.
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in The French Speaking Baptist Church of Stratford is now located in the former Jehovah's Witnesses Kingdom Hall at 494 Milford Point Road.   
    Everything that man considers good, or what God considers good?
    "Do not love the world or anything that belongs to the world. If you love the world, you do not love the Father. 16 Everything that belongs to the world—what the sinful self desires, what people see and want, and everything in this world that people are so proud of—none of this comes from the Father; it all comes from the world. 17 The world and everything in it that people desire is passing away; but those who do the will of God live forever."  1 John 2:15-17
    “Stop storing up treasures for yourselves on earth, where moths and rust destroy and thieves break in and steal. 20 Instead, store up treasures for yourselves in heaven, where moths and rust don’t destroy and thieves don’t break in and steal. 21 Your heart will be where your treasure is."  Matt 6:19-21
    "These people have exchanged God’s truth for a lie. So they have become ungodly and serve what is created rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen!"  Rom 1:25
    The early temple was approved by God as the place to worship.  Since the temple is now the Body of Christ, there is no other approved earthly place of worship, according to GOD, since Christ has said we worship in spirit and truth.  John 4:24  His Temple, house of "worship" is Zion, built with "living stones".  1 Pet 2:5,9    
    You are built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets. Christ Jesus himself is the cornerstone. 21 In him all the parts of the building fit together and grow into a holy temple in the Lord. 22 Through him you, also, are being built in the Spirit together with others into a place where God lives.  Eph 2:20-22
    Scripture refers to the faithful sealed anointed as "trees".  Matt 7:18; Ezek 47:12; Rev 11:4; 22:2 In the organization, these "trees" and the spirit God has poured into their heart, are replaced with desires of men to build their own "temples" - housed with their own choice of priests.  Dan 8:11
    "What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God has said: “I will live with them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they will be my people.”  2 Cor 6:16
    “The glory of Lebanon will come to you,
        the juniper, the fir and the cypress together,
    to adorn my sanctuary;
        and I will glorify the place for my feet. (Isa 66:1,2; Ps 132:7-9)
    14 The children of your oppressors will come bowing before you; (Rev 3:9)
        all who despise you will bow down at your feet
    and will call you the City of the Lord,
        Zion of the Holy One of Israel.
    15 “Although you have been forsaken and hated,
        with no one traveling through,
    I will make you the everlasting pride
        and the joy of all generations."  Isa 60:13-15
    There is no difference in what the organization has done in building its empire, than any other religious entity that dedicates, consecrates buildings to God; such as the Catholic Church, or the Mormons and their temples, Islam and its mosques.    Those are considered "good".  In your organization, you house the "good" - the true Temple of God, which has been rejected for the same treasures the world has.  Hag 1:4; Dan 7:21; 8:11,23-25; Rev 13:7,10
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in What good is an internet forum for JWs?   
    If a specific prophetic interpretation is what people are encouraged to put all hope and dreams in (such as 1975). just to find out that they were misled into believing its possibility as true, no longer will many enjoy their “worship” in all other aspects the organization offers.  That particular scenario remains “important” to a large number of people because of the scar it leaves on their lives.  Scars usually always remain as a memory of an event. The bigger the scar, the bigger the memory.  When a person makes an investment into a company that utilizes slick, appealing - even truthful - advertising, and which promises positive returns but eventually is exposed as a fraud, only a foolish person would keep investing his resources into it.
    “Bad investment advice is usually due to one of two reasons. The first is centered around an advisor that will repeatedly place their self-interest before that of the client. The second reason leading to bad advice is an advisor's lack of knowledge and failure to perform due diligence before making recommendations and taking action. Each type of bad advice has its own consequences for the client in the short term, but in the long term they will all result in poor performance or loss of money.”  (Investopedia)
    This is what the Lord of Hosts says: “Do not listen to the words of the prophets who prophesy to you. They are making you worthless. They speak visions from their own minds, not from the Lord’s mouth. Jer 23:16
    It is said, “talk is cheap”; which is actually a partial quote.  From, The Saint’s Knowledge of Christ’s Love, or The Unsearchable Riches of Christ published in 1692:
    “I know words are cheap, but a dram of grace is worth all the world.”   
    "I call heaven and earth as witnesses against you today that I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse. Choose life so that you and your descendants may live,  love the Lord your God, obey Him, and remain faithful to Him. " Deut 30:19,20
    It's crystal clear in God's word, that we are not to remain faithful to men who stumble in their predictions, but intermittently gloss it over with appealing information like a dangling carrot.   
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in The French Speaking Baptist Church of Stratford is now located in the former Jehovah's Witnesses Kingdom Hall at 494 Milford Point Road.   
    This is good explanation :)))))  Than i have suggestion.
    Ceremony of "dedication" building to God after Construction team  had finished job have to be done again but in reversible meaning.  After real estate agent made new contract, Congregants will be gathered  in KH for the last time "TO UNDEDICATE" buillding, bricks, roof, grass etc, especially if new buyer is someone from false religion church.  It would not be a good thing to remain even the smallest part of God’s blessing to a new owner.     :))))
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in The French Speaking Baptist Church of Stratford is now located in the former Jehovah's Witnesses Kingdom Hall at 494 Milford Point Road.   
    If a building is called “God’s House” would it be considered holy?  If it were truly “God’s House”, then His Spirit would dwell there and yes, it would be “holy”.  If a parent tells his child at the kingdom hall that “this is God’s House”, as a JW video already explains to children, wouldn’t they learn to have a reverential awe for that building? 
    Does God agree with these dedications and the christening of a kingdom hall /assembly hall as His House?  I believe JWs cannot fathom what God would think of such a thing, even if it is a building of temporary use. It is as if God is no where to be heard, no where to give His opinion on what man do, although He certainly has through the scriptures.   So let’s do it, call it dedicated to God, then sell it off! God will understand our disregarding all scriptures concerning anything built by the hands of men.  Acts 7:49-51; 17:24,25
     He has a “building”, He has a spiritual dwelling. 1 Pet 2:5,9; Eph 2:20-22; 1 Cor 3:16,17; John 2:19-21   He has made it clear with the advent of His Son that there is only one “temple”/”building” that He accepts as His.  It was a major point  of Jesus’ coming; earthly structures to house God’s Spirit were to be abolished.  He is building His House on the anointed Body of Christ. 1 Cor 3:9  Why would He want any building dedicated to Him that has its source in Satan’s world?  James 3:15
    This is called spiritual immorality.  It is practiced by false prophets – “harlots” who do exactly what they want and still claim to worship God.  Rev 13:11,15; 16:13,14; 17:1,15
    If JWs were to recognize the importance of God’s “building”, they would not dare dedicate any earthly building to Him.  Instead, God’s temple/priesthood is trampled down by such teachings spoken from a Harlot, and supported by her “man of lawlessness”. Matt 24:48-51;  2 Thess 2:1-4; 9-12; Rev 13:1,2,4-7   So, your leaders dedicate buildings to “Jehovah”.  They raise the excitement in all in attendance.  It is a blessing from God!   I would guess just about everyone in such an audience has no idea what the true dedicated House/Temple of God really is, thanks to the GB Harlots.
     What God has said about His Son and His “living stones” (1 Pet 2:5,9) apparently means nothing.  Jer 4:22   And instead, JWs believe an organization and all of its buildings will lead them into the Kingdom.  IT holds primary importance for one's salvation.  
    So they worshiped the dragon who gave authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast? Who is able to make war with him?”
    5 And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue for forty-two months. 6 Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven. 7 It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation. 8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
    9 If anyone has an ear, let him hear. Rev 13:4-9
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Shiwiii in Jehovah's Witnesses and The Supreme Court of the State of Montana, September 2019   
    True, (actually, it would be Christ who has been given that authority , John 5:22) but what was the true motivation of WT attorney, Joel Taylor?   Isn't it more important at this point to consider why a representative of the organization, would clearly tell a lie?
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    Witness got a reaction from Shiwiii in NOT ON BREAD ALONE   
    I do not see in this Watchtower comment, the avenue we must take to know God; of which I am not surprised.    Jesus is the Word, the Bread of Life. John 1:1  John 17:3 is part of the prayer of Jesus to the Father.
    “Father, the hour has come! Glorify Your Son, in order that Your Son may glorify You— 2 just as You have given him authority over all flesh, in order that he would give eternal life to them—everyone whom You have given him. 3 Now this is eternal life: that they know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent. 4 I have glorified You on earth bycompleting the work that you have given me to do. 5 And now, Father, You glorify me at Your side with the glory that I had at Your side before the world existed.
    Righteous Father, although the world does not know You, yet I have known You, and these men have come to know that You sent me. 26 And I made known to them Your name, and will make it known, in order that the love with which You loved me may be in them, and I may be in them.”
    The “world” that did not know Jesus Christ were his people who rejected him, the very ones who said they “knew” God.  John 1:10   They had a “superficial knowledge” of Him; yet never attained the true knowledge of God, since they did not accept Jesus Christ.
    Then they said to Him, “Where is Your Father?” Jesus answered, “You know neither Me nor My Father. If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also.”  John 8:19
    To his disciples:
    Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
    7 “If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; and from now on you know Him and have seen Him.”
    8 Philip said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is sufficient for us.”
    9 Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works. 11 Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe Me for the sake of the works themselves.”  John 14:6-11
     
    If we do not accept the “Bread of Life” that God offers us in His Son, we will never learn to know God.  We will never learn the knowledge of truth.  2 Tim 3:7
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Why are women part of the 144,000?   
    Maybe (in secret) they are interpreting it literally.  It was just brought to my attention; when has anyone seen one of the “144,000” portrayed as female in WT pictures?
    Samuel Herd made mention once, that women’s brains are 10 percent smaller than men.  Obviously, he can’t envision women ruling as “kings” and priests in the Kingdom.  Gal 3:28; Rev 5:9,10   
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9cGBPvfOYI
     
    And, in this picture, these guys are all clones of each other.
     

     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Jehovah's Witnesses and The Supreme Court of the State of Montana, September 2019   
    True, (actually, it would be Christ who has been given that authority , John 5:22) but what was the true motivation of WT attorney, Joel Taylor?   Isn't it more important at this point to consider why a representative of the organization, would clearly tell a lie?
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in The French Speaking Baptist Church of Stratford is now located in the former Jehovah's Witnesses Kingdom Hall at 494 Milford Point Road.   
    Oh my.  It would be life threatening to think like the GB; to walk in their shoes, taking their twisted path of continually seeking "new light", and prominence over their spiritual brothers.  Matt 24:48-51  That would be glorifying men; and you've taken it up another notch by suggesting our thinking should not only be like God, but like the GB.   Simply,  blasphemy.  
    We should think like Christ.  We should walk only his path.  1 Cor 2:16; 1 Pet 2:21
     
    A voice of one calling:
    “In the wilderness prepare
        the way for the Lord;
    make straight in the desert
        a highway for our God.
    4 Every valley shall be raised up,
        every mountain and hill made low;
    the rough ground shall become level,
        the rugged places a plain.
    5 And the glory of the Lord will be revealed,
        and all people will see it together.
    For the mouth of the Lord has spoken.”  Isa 40:3-5
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in The French Speaking Baptist Church of Stratford is now located in the former Jehovah's Witnesses Kingdom Hall at 494 Milford Point Road.   
    For the true "newbies" out there:
    We are told to “test the spirits to see whether they are from God”. 1 John 4:1  This is our responsibility as Christians.  Jesus gave us guidelines to know if an anointed one speaks from the Spirit of Christ or from another spirit.  He told us that by their fruits, their teachings, we would know if one is inspired by the Spirit of Truth.  Those who remain in Christ would produce fruit that “lasts”, that remains, just as the teachings of Christ have remained to this day. 
    You did not choose Me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit, and that your fruit should remain, that whatever you ask the Father in My name He may give you.  John 15:16
    This means one’s teachings would not rot away, or be changed out for new “truth”.  It’s a pretty simple guideline that we can either embrace, or blindly ignore.  If we choose to ignore it and eat “fruit”/teachings from an anointed one that has a history of producing failed, “rotten” teachings, then…we make Jesus out to be a liar.  Matt 7:17-19  We put more stock in what men say, than what Christ has told us. 
    To receive “God’s instructions” would require inspiration from Holy Spirit.  Yet, this is what your GB stated, and how they lean on a fabrication called “beliefs clarified” to justify their rotten fruit.
     The Governing Body is neither inspired nor infallible. Therefore, it can err in doctrinal matters or in organizational direction. In fact, the Watch Tower Publications Index includes the heading “Beliefs Clarified,” which lists adjustments in our Scriptural understanding since 1870. Of course, Jesus did not tell us that his faithful slave would produce perfect spiritual food. w17 February p. 26-27
    Was God instructing your leaders in these failed doctrines?  Would Christ who is Truth, produce imperfection? Ps 18:30; John 14:6
    This statement certainly demeans Jesus Christ’s teachings, since he did say a faithful slave would produce perfect spiritual food that would last, as long as that one “remains” on the vine.  John 15:1-4; Luke 8:15
    "Don't work for the food that perishes (that needs continual adjustment)  but for the food that lasts for eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you, because God the Father has set his seal of approval on him."  John 6:27
    So, the “opposition” would be making excuses for his failed teachings, and convincing the majority with false promises that no matter what, Jesus will give his approval.  We know from scripture that this isn’t the case.
     “Either make the tree good and its fruit good, or else make the tree bad and its fruit bad; for a tree is known by its fruit. 34 Brood of vipers! How can you, being evil, speak good things? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. 35 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth good things, and an evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth evil things. 36 But I say to you that for every idle word (“inactive,useless”) men may speak, they will give account of it in the day of judgment. 37 For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.”  Matt 12:33-37
    Good things from the heart of an anointed one, are “good fruit”, that remains.   “Evil things” are deceiving, “rotten fruit” that an “evil slave” would expect one to tolerate – with no questions asked.
    We choose to uphold Christ’s teachings about testing each bit of “fruit” offered us by anointed ones, or we listen to men who can have a negative influence on our spirituality by failing to provide lasting fruit/teachings.  If 8 men, who have convinced you they are “faithful” and “discreet”, but are not faithful to these simple guidelines given us by Jesus Christ, then their “inspiration” is from another spirit. They have lost  God’s Spirit.  Matt 24:24; 2 Pet 3:17,18; 1 John 2:19  The apostles were led by Holy Spirit because they were “inspired”, and they acted upon it.   Holy Spirit cannot continue to “dwell” in an anointed one’s heart and not inspire them also…to speak truth, as defined by God, and not men.  1 Cor 3:16,17; 2 Cor 6:16; 1 Thess 4:7,8; 2 Tim 1:14
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from James Thomas Rook Jr. in The French Speaking Baptist Church of Stratford is now located in the former Jehovah's Witnesses Kingdom Hall at 494 Milford Point Road.   
    Oh my.  It would be life threatening to think like the GB; to walk in their shoes, taking their twisted path of continually seeking "new light", and prominence over their spiritual brothers.  Matt 24:48-51  That would be glorifying men; and you've taken it up another notch by suggesting our thinking should not only be like God, but like the GB.   Simply,  blasphemy.  
    We should think like Christ.  We should walk only his path.  1 Cor 2:16; 1 Pet 2:21
     
    A voice of one calling:
    “In the wilderness prepare
        the way for the Lord;
    make straight in the desert
        a highway for our God.
    4 Every valley shall be raised up,
        every mountain and hill made low;
    the rough ground shall become level,
        the rugged places a plain.
    5 And the glory of the Lord will be revealed,
        and all people will see it together.
    For the mouth of the Lord has spoken.”  Isa 40:3-5
     
     
     
     
     
     
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