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    Witness got a reaction from Amidstheroses in TOP STORY TODAY:  DETAILS TO FOLLOW …..   
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    Witness reacted to Amidstheroses in TOP STORY TODAY:  DETAILS TO FOLLOW …..   
    Well put, Scripturally based statements….But this is more than a tragedy.
    This is a strong MESSAGE - inherent in the actions that played out on that Kingdom Hall property in Denver.
    The MESSAGE is a HIGHLY SYMBOLIC EXPRESSION OF RAGE, EXASPERATION, DESPERATION and ANGUISH!!
    The perpetrator left behind evidence of this: 1) His murdered wife  2) His murdered self 3) Three incendiary devices found at the scene 4) A 911 phone call at 9 AM telling that there was a fire at the Kingdom Hall
    I was told that at a nearby Kingdom Hall Meeting yesterday, it was announced that the murder was carried out by people who were not Jehovah’s Witnesses and it was coincidence that it occurred on Kingdom Hall property. This defies logic. This appears to be deceit without regard for truth and accuracy.
    I posit that it would be more constructive for the members of the two congregations that use that Kingdom Hall to ask themselves:
    Do I need to be supplicating Jehovah for mercy in any neglected shepherding or lack of love shown to these desperate souls? Did the Shepherds seek the lost sheep as Jesus and Jehovah instruct? Was Justice given to their situation? Both local news sources, Denver7 and 9news, told in their original stories, which have not changed for over 24 hours, that the Police stated that the two murdered adults were former members of a Jehovah’s Witness congregation at this Kingdom Hall.
    Why else was this Kingdom Hall chosen as a murder site?
    Why else was this Kingdom Hall chosen to be set on fire?
    The perpetrator was sending a message to Somebody (singular or plural) who attends THIS Kingdom Hall.
    Let he who has ears, listen…
    BTW I do attend and am a member of a Congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses in the Denver metro area. That does not mean that I know more than the police on site investigating the case. Irrespective of my geographic location, I am able to hear A VERY STRONG and MOST EMPHATIC message being sent by the perpetrator. 
    @xero@Anna@TrueTomHarley@Pudgy
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    Witness got a reaction from Peter Carroll in Daily Text for October 8, 2022   
    How does truth turn in to a lie?  It happens gradually by “adjusting” facets of it, bit by bit, drawing little attention to the change.  Eventually, as time passes, it is good to go - to be packaged and sold as “truth”.   
    Daily text, October 8, 2022:
     The body is one but has many members.—1 Cor. 12:12. 
    What a privilege we have to be part of Jehovah’s congregation! We are in a spiritual paradise that is full of peaceful, happy people. What is your place in the congregation? The apostle Paul compared the congregation to the human body. He also compared the individuals in a congregation to parts of the body. (Rom. 12:4-8; 1 Cor. 12:12-27; Eph. 4:16) One lesson we can learn from Paul’s illustration is that each one of us has an important place in Jehovah’s family. Paul begins his illustration by saying: “Just as we have in one body many members, but the members do not all have the same function, so we, although many, are one body in union with Christ, but individually we are members belonging to one another.” (Rom. 12:4, 5) What was Paul’s point? Each one of us has a different role in the congregation, but each one of us is valuable. w 20/08/20  
    The Body of Christ is taught as including all JWs; but compare this to previous teachings:
    Questions from readers, 1964/8/1 = His body members are also anointed with Jehovah’s spirit at the time of their being begotten by Jehovah to be sons of God. They become members of the body of Christ, the Anointed One.—2 Cor. 1:21, 22.
    The same scriptures from 2 Cor. are found in the Daily Text, but this is saying all members of the Body of Christ are anointed.
    W 1956/1/15 55-56 - “Because there is one loaf, we, although many, are one body, for we are all partaking [eating] of that one loaf.” (1 Cor. 10:17, NW) To which body does Paul here refer by the words “one body”? Not to the personal, fleshly body of Jesus which is symbolized by the loaf of unleavened bread. No, but to the entire congregation of spiritual Israelites of which Jesus Christ is the spiritual Head. This congregation under him is later spoken of in this same letter of Paul as Christ’s body: “Now you are Christ’s body, and members individually. And God has set the respective ones in the congregation.”—1 Cor. 12:27, 28, NW.
    Again, another set of scriptures are repeated, but referring only to the anointed of “Israel”, not to all JWs.. 
    Wt 1951/1/16 p. 60-61 “Memorial partakers must keep clearly in mind that they are “Christ’s body”, symbolized by the one loaf, and consequently they must keep unity as “one body”. We must have a “proper sense of the Body”, sensing our personal unity with the Head Jesus Christ. If we do not, then we will become spiritually “weak and sickly” and even be “sleeping in death”, as many of the Corinthians did back there.”
    The Body of Christ is the spiritual Temple of God.  (John 2:19,21)  Now that this has all changed, proper sense has flown out the window.  Does this mean that all JWs will be partaking soon at your memorial?  Does it mean you are all the Bride of Christ?  (2 Cor 11:2)  Does it mean that you are all priests in the spiritual Temple of God?  (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16) 
    Why has truth in the Watchtower about the anointed as the Body of Christ, been altered, fully changed into a lie?  Why didn’t they leave well enough alone?  If all JWs are considered the “Body of Christ” today, then selling their doctrine that all JWs comprise the Temple of God is easy, and it promotes the false doctrine that the “man of lawlessness”, who is found sitting in the temple of God” (2 Thess 2:4) is found in the world of politics; and it leaves room for Wt. to point to the persecution of JWs, received at the hands of political rulers.
    If the GB must promote a changed doctrine from what was true to what is false, we must ask WHY. 
    This is why – “Now we request you, brethren, with regard to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, 2 that you not be quickly shaken from your composure or be disturbed either by a spirit or a message or a letter as if from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. (1914) 3 Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God.”
    The priests are “living stones” of God’s Temple.  JWs not anointed, are not included. (1 Pet 2:5,9)
    Who has taken his seat in the Temple dwelling of God in the anointed ones? (1 Cor 3:16,17) The elder body who “represent the anointed priesthood”.  Can any of you tell me a time in biblical history when the priesthood has been allowed by God to be subjugated by “foreigners” – those not anointed?  Ezek 44:6-9
    The gradual teachings where truth was evident but is now erased, was prophesied to happen in the last days.  A “false prophet” and the organization it directs (the collective elder body as the "Beast") are demon inspired. (Rev 13:1,2,11,12) Wt.’s teachings have changed over the years; not one JW who has been in the organization for a number of years, can deny it.  This gradual change is defined in Rev 16:13-16. It gives us the illustration of a tadpole turning into a frog through various stages, and we have the scriptural example of what “frogs” can mean – a plague.  (Exod 8:1-4; Rev 6:8; 9:18)
    Ultimately, the teaching about the Body of Christ has changed to disguise the identity of the “man of lawlessness”. The elders “stand where they don’t belong”.(Mark 13:14) The scriptures CLEARLY show us the detrimental folly of replacing the priests of God.  (Num 18:7) If you stay in the organization, you are playing with fire – the condemnation of the word of God. (Jer 23:29)  While you are all worried about the “apostates” outside of the organization, your greatest worry, is being found among them in the organization. (2 Thess 2:8-12; Rev 18:4-8)
    Matt 24:15,16 - “Therefore when you see the abomination of desolation which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand), then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains.”
    Check Wt’s Greek Interlinear and you will find that it is translated “having stood in place holy the one”.  In order to add credence to a false doctrine, your Bible has it translated as, “standing in a holy place”. This makes it easy for your leaders to point to any church, any “holy place” they want, to say that is where the “man of lawlessness” is found, when all the while the elders have trampled the Temple priesthood.  They have trampled down the sanctuary of God.  (Dan 11:31,32,36; Rev 11:1,2) 
    What is “the holy place”?  The Bible defines it in Exod 28:43.  Why haven’t they told you the same? 
    Matt 24:24,25
     
     
     

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    Witness got a reaction from Nathaniel Compton in The Path to Paradise?   
    The path in the drawing below, which supposedly represents the path to “paradise”, appears to allow for “new light”, or “adjustments” (a more favored word lately), indicated by the sharp turns along the way. The eye of the individual may be looking straight ahead toward the end of the valley, but the path that lies before him will determinedly lead the person in other directions, diverting his focus away from the valley’s end.  (Job 23:11; Prov 14:12; 2 Cor 6:3; Phil 4:8) 
    How wearisome for the traveler to obediently remain on a path that defies all scriptural understanding of what following in the footsteps of Jesus means for us; a narrow, straight path which does not deviate from the Word of God, the teachings of Christ. (Ps 16:11;119:105; Mark 1:3; John 8:12; 10:27; Matt 7:13-14;  John 14:6) 
    When hiking a nature trail, we may stop at a switchback to catch our breath and enjoy a sip of water before going forward on the journey.  On more developed paths, a bench may be found, providing a time for reflection, nourishment, and rest.  One can also choose at that point to turn around if the path seems too dangerous or strenuous to continue.  Anyone walking the organization’s “path” could and should take advantage of these moments of “adjustments”, and reflect on the governing leaders’ doctrine, as indicated in my mind by those sharp turns in the illustration.  One seeking to please God, would reason on whether the adjustments are true or false; whether these leaders continue to base their teachings on the “empty philosophy” of men, or on the Word of God. (Prov 11:3; Matt 15:7-9; Acts 17:11; Col 2:8,22; 1 Thess 2:13; 2 Pet 1:19-21; 2 Tim 3:16) 
    Through earnest prayers to know truth, many of us have been granted eyes that see and ears that hear the truth in God’s Word. (Isa 42:16) We can perceive a lie spoken by the governing leaders when we hear it.  We realize that the organization’s ‘way to paradise’ boldly and deceptively challenges the teachings of Jesus Christ.  (Prov 4:10-15,25-27; 10:17; John 8:31; Matt 24:24,25; 2 Pet 2:1-3; Heb 3:7-11) 
    We have chosen to step off this confusing trail that leads one only further down the endless path of darkness and death; and we have accepted the light of refinement through the spirit of Christ, showing us the way to eternal life and authentic peace (Prov 3:6; 4:18-22; 22:5; Ps 1:1-2,6; John 8:12; Acts 26:18; 1 Cor 14:33; Eph 5:8-9; Rev 3:18) 
     
    Our lives are totally dependent upon God's spirit (Ps. 104:29; Rev 4:11). 
    Many who claim to be of God, have forgotten this.
    They do not realize, that without God's spirit, they are dead.
    To awaken from this lukewarm condition, is to see the truth.
    For some, this "awakening to truth" will vindicate the life they chose. 
    For others, it will expose their shameful nakedness.
    (Rev 20:12,13;6:8; Dan 12:2; John 5:26-29; Matt 25:46; Ezek 37:11-12)
    "Eye Salve" - Humility, Repentance
     
    2 Tim 2:15 – “Make every effort to present yourself approved to God, a worker having no need to be ashamed, guiding the word of truth along a straight path.” 
    One of the Wt. study magazines clarifies the Greek word orthotomeō as meaning, “to cut a path in a straight direction”.  It uses the example of a farmer plowing a straight furrow across a field. 
    The magazine states,  “A crooked row would certainly prove to be an embarrassment to a seasoned farmer. To be ‘a workman with nothing to be ashamed of,’ Timothy was reminded that no deviation from the true teachings of God’s Word would be allowed.”  (03/11/15, p. 10-11)
    It explains that Timothy’s “personal views” would have no part in shaping his teachings; and “worldly philosophy” would have no part in directing the minds of “honest hearted individuals” today.  (Ps 17:4; 119:35; Prov 2:10-15; Isa 2:43; 2 Tim 4:2-4; Col 2:4,8) 
    Are any of these good points put into practice by the organization?  The list “Beliefs Clarified” gives insight to only a selection of “adjustments” that have been made over the organization’s history.  Each one incorporates the empty deceit of men – ideas not sourced in the spirit of Christ.  If these teachings were blessed by Holy Spirit, if they held true to God’s Word, would there have been a list to begin with? (Ezek 13:9; Jer 23:16; Matt 7:15-20; 1 John 4:1) 
    Yet, millions of JWs seem pleased with it, viewing it as evidence of the blessing of “new light”.  (Isa 5:20; Jer 5:30-31;Isa 8:19-22; 50:10-11; Rev 22:14-15) 
    They willingly and obediently remain dedicated to the “way” that accommodates future doctrine of men, sure to be revealed at the next crook in the path.  (Deut 32:5; Isa 59:9-10; Isa 48:17-18;Jer 6:16; 2 Thess 2:12) 
    Do the teachers who falsely promise peace to one who obeys the “delusions of their own mind”, experience any embarrassment for their inability to lead JWs on a straight path of truth?  (Jer 6:10,13-15; 14:13-15; Micah 2:11; Ps 52:7; Isa 44:20; 47:10; 1 Thess 5:3) 
     “As shameful conduct is pleasure for a fool,
    so wisdom is for a person of understanding.”  Prov 10:23 
     “My son, if you accept my words
        and store up my commands within you,
    2 turning your ear to wisdom
        and applying your heart to understanding—
    3 indeed, if you call out for insight
        and cry aloud for understanding,
    4 and if you look for it as for silver
        and search for it as for hidden treasure,
    5 then you will understand the fear of the Lord
        and find the knowledge of God.
    6 For the Lord gives wisdom;
        from his mouth come knowledge and understanding.
    7 He holds success in store for the upright,
        he is a shield to those whose walk is blameless,
    8 for he guards the course of the just
        and protects the way of his faithful ones.
    9 Then you will understand what is right and just
        and fair—every good path.
    10 For wisdom will enter your heart,
        and knowledge will be pleasant to your soul.
    11 Discretion will protect you,
        and understanding will guard you.
    12 Wisdom will save you from the ways of wicked men,
        from men whose words are perverse,
    13 who have left the straight paths
        to walk in dark ways,
    14 who delight in doing wrong
        and rejoice in the perverseness of evil,
    15 whose paths are crooked
        and who are devious in their ways.”  Prov 2:1-15
     

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    Witness got a reaction from Raymond Savila1468 in The Meaning of Hades   
    Peter, please reason on this.
    Matt 11:23 - “And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted unto heaven, shalt be brought down to hell: for if the mighty works, which have been done in thee, had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day.”
    “hell” – Strong’s G86 - ᾅδου ᾅδηςhadēs – hades
    “hades” - adou hadou G86 n_ Gen Sg m OF-UN-PERCEIVED unseen
    It is derived from -  ἄλφα (G1) (as negative particle, [such as “un”/meaning “not”]) and εἴδω (G1492)
    The meaning of εἴδω (G1492) –
    I.o see
    A.               to perceive with the eyes
    B.               to perceive by any of the senses
    C.                to perceive, notice, discern, discover
    D.               to see
    i.i.e. to turn the eyes, the mind, the attention to anything
    ii.to pay attention, observe
    iii.to see about something
    a.               i.e. to ascertain what must be done about it
    iv.to inspect, examine
    v.to look at, behold
    E.                to experience any state or condition
    F.                to see i.e. have an interview with, to visit
    II.to know
     .                 to know of anything
    A.               to know, i.e. get knowledge of, understand, perceive
     .of any fact
    i.the force and meaning of something which has definite meaning
    ii.to know how, to be skilled in
    B.               to have regard for one, cherish, pay attention to (1Th. 5:12)
    https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/g1492/kjv/tr/0-1/
     
    “Hades” means the opposite of knowing, of perceiving, of having knowledge. So, if you are saying that it doesn’t mean “not perceiving”, then by telling me it is all…
     
    ...you are blaspheming the words spoken by Jesus Christ.  Jesus, in turn, condemns those who do not accept his words, but choose the words of uninspired men/GB, instead.  Is that really where you want to be found, Peter?  What they tell you and expect you to swallow down without proof, leads to condemnation in this life if you reject their doctrine.  However, Jesus tells us,
    "Don’t fear those who kill the body but are not able to kill the soul; rather, fear him who is able to destroy both soul and body in"...hell? No.  That word accurately translates as "gehenna", which is condemnation by fire, signified by the word of God.  Jer 23:29; Matt 10:28
    “But I tell you that everyone will have to give account on the day of judgment for every empty word they have spoken. 37 For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.”  Matt 12:36,37
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from C-D67 in The Development of "Beliefs Clarified"   
    The boldness displayed by the governing body to publish and extol their list of "Beliefs Clarified", as if it brings JWs closer to "truth", reminds me of Proverbs 13:16 - 
    "Every prudent man acts with knowledge, but a fool flaunts his folly."
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    Witness got a reaction from C-D67 in The Development of "Beliefs Clarified"   
    Part of the quote was left out to make the connection:
    Such "trees" have hindered the operation of Holy Spirit within them (Eph.4:30; 1Thess.5:19; Acts7:51; Matt.7:19; Jer.48:13) by overconfidence in themselves or others.
     
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    Witness got a reaction from lentaylor71 in The Development of "Beliefs Clarified"   
    The boldness displayed by the governing body to publish and extol their list of "Beliefs Clarified", as if it brings JWs closer to "truth", reminds me of Proverbs 13:16 - 
    "Every prudent man acts with knowledge, but a fool flaunts his folly."
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    Witness got a reaction from lentaylor71 in The Development of "Beliefs Clarified"   
    Part of the quote was left out to make the connection:
    Such "trees" have hindered the operation of Holy Spirit within them (Eph.4:30; 1Thess.5:19; Acts7:51; Matt.7:19; Jer.48:13) by overconfidence in themselves or others.
     
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    Witness got a reaction from lentaylor71 in The Development of "Beliefs Clarified"   
    We are told by the organization’s leadership that the running list of accumulated adjustments in teachings since 1870, shows evidence of three vital factors at work, which somehow prove that the leadership is directed in the same way as the early apostles.  These three factors are -  
    #1 -  Holy Spirit
    #2 -  angelic assistance
    #3 - reliance on the scriptures
    They state that since Jesus knew “first hand” that these three factors “helped him take the lead” when on earth, he has provided the governing leaders with the same assistance. In my heart, I feel this statement is an appalling defamation against the power, authority, and wisdom of Christ in their attempt to substantiate their decision to “take the lead” over God’s anointed in the organization. (Luke 22:24; Mark 10:42-45; John 5:41-43; Rom 12:16; 1 Cor 4:6; Phil 2:3-6; Matt 24:48-51)  
    Please let these scriptures speak, few among many, addressing the authority and power of Jesus Christ; while also remembering that the “governors” are by their own admittance,  not inspired by Holy Spirit.  (Isa 11:2; Matt 17:1-5; 2 Pet 1:17; John 1:1-4,14; 16:33; 18:37; 1 Pet 3:18; Col 2:2-3) 
    They are in essence, denying their anointing, which is the divine pouring out of Holy Spirit into one’s heart, becoming spiritual members of Christ’s body.  (Rom 8:9,11;1 John 2:27; Gal 4:6; 2 Cor 13:5; 1 Cor 11:29; Col 2:18-19) 
    Despite obvious proof in the list of failures itself, where each replaced doctrine was once blasphemously called “truth” coming from God…(Num 23:19; Mark 7:7; 2 John 1:9; Heb 6:18; Gal 1:6-9; Col 1:10) 
     …despite this, the leaders continue to assure the JW, that their teachings are “not by human wisdom, but with wisdom taught by the spirit.” (1 Cor 2:13).     
    “However, the wisdom that comes from above is first of all pure, then peaceable, gentle, and considerate, full of mercy and good fruits, without any trace of partiality or hypocrisy”.   James 3:17
    If God does not lie, and if Jesus is the Way of Truth, we should ask ourselves which spirit of “wisdom” would inspire someone to call a false teaching, “the truth”.  (John 14:6;7:18) (Gen 3:3-5; Isa 5:20-21;29:13-16; Rom 1:18; 1 Cor 2:6; 1 Tim 4:1) 
    I have mentioned this list a few times in the past.  Knowing that JWs accept its obvious failures as apparent evidence of “new light”- or as they say, the revealing of the “deep things of God” - is troubling enough; yet, I find it equally disturbing how in the same breath, the leaders over the years, have compared themselves on equal footing with Moses; and by evidence made here, to Jesus, and to the apostles. (Ps 92:5-6; Rom 12:3; 15:18-19; 1 Cor 2:4; 2 Cor 12:9; Eph 1:3-6,19) 
    We find no long list of adjustments in God’s inspired Word.  We have no book in the Bible that could remotely be compared to their “beliefs clarified”; where erroneous teachings devoid of any light of truth, are stacked precariously high, like wooden blocks in a game of chance. (Prov 2:11-14; John 3:19-20) What the apostles wrote has stayed with us throughout the millenniums.   But these men, in their lack of divine inspiration and progression in the wisdom of Christ, have failed to produce not even one book as a primary teaching tool since the organization’s inception. However, their ambition has not been deterred from establishing their spiritual authority at the same level or above, that of the apostles. (Ps 82:5-7; 2 Thess 2:1-2; Rev 2:2) 
    They declare to possess the same powerful gift of teaching as the twelve men Jesus chose to set the foundation of the spiritual house of God. (John 2:19-21; Matt 16:18-19;Matt 10:1; Acts 1:8; 2:43; 5:12-16; 2 Cor 12:12; 1 Thess 1:5; 1 Cor 3:10-11; Eph 2:20-21)  
    They boldly claim to be sent by God to teach us in the truthful doctrine of Jesus Christ. (Deut 18:21-22; Jer 28:15; Isa 8:20; Matt 24:45,48-51; 2 Cor 11:1-4; 2 Tim 4:3,4; 1 John 4:1,5-6; Rev 2:20; 13:11-12) 
    …an anointed one's progress in the knowledge of God relies upon that person's progressive development of intimacy, faith, and trust in God's spirit (Eph 1:19; 1 Pet 1:17,21; Rom 12:6)
    This requires experience with that spirit, as we learn to completely rely upon it as young children would, and progress in our imitation of Christ (Eph 4:20,21,13; Matt 18:3; 2 Cor 3:4,5; Ps 78:7; Prov 22:19; Jer 17:7; 2 Thess 3:5; James 1:3-5; Phil 1:6; 1 Pet 5:10)
    Those who resist such a reliance due to a lack of Faith, will not progress. These are the ones Christ referred to as trees with "unripe figs" who do not bring anything to perfection, and will   be abandoned up the coming wrath if they do not repent (Luke 8:14; Heb 8:14; Heb 12:2; Rev 6:13; Jer 24:3,5,8,17; Matt 7:16)
    Such "trees" have hindered the operation of Holy Spirit within them (Eph 4:30; 1 Thess 5:19; Acts 7:51; Matt 7:19; Jer 48:13)
    Holy Spirit at Work, "Token"
    “overconfidence in themselves”– “Woe to those who consider themselves wise
    and judge themselves clever.”  Isa 5:21
    “For false messiahs and false prophets will rise up and perform great signs and wonders so as to deceive, if possible, even God’s chosen ones.
    See, I have warned you about this ahead of time.” Matt 24:24,25
    This warning has come true.  The “day” of the reign of false prophets over “Israel”, is here. The chosen/”elect” ones are the anointed of spiritual Israel, residing among JWs in the organization. (Rom 9:6; 2:28-29) Many of us coming out of the organization searching for truth, will fully admit to once being deceived by its leaders’ doctrine – a flood of lies originating with the father of the lie. (Ps 124:1-8; 2 Tim 2:26) Satan has demanded to “sift as wheat” the “remaining ones of the woman’s seed”, and God allows this deceitful test by Satan, to come upon them. (Luke 22:31; Jer 9:8,13-16; 2 Thess 2:9-12;1 Tim 1:3-4; Col 2:8,22; Rev 13:10; 12:17,15) 
    "The final test, is the great tribulation. It is Satan's final great lie, that comes through the false prophet (governing body) and it's beast (organization). When we are taken into the organization because we believe that lie, that it is directed by God's spirit... then we come to the test. In the end, will we remain idolators? Or, will we realize that only God deserves our worship, obedience, and service? Will we take a stand, that we only follow the words of our Father? Or, will we obey and believe every lie coming from men? Will we make the doctrine of men, more important than the Bible? Will we follow men as our ruler, rather than God and Jesus? That is the test that we find ourselves in, after joining the organization. "
    Thousand Years/Angels/Final Test/God's organization
    Notice how 2 Peter chapter 2 describes the revealing attitude toward the truth of Jesus Christ, practiced by these false prophets:
    “But there were also false prophets in Israel, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will cleverly teach destructive heresies and even deny the Master who bought them." 2 Pet 2:1
    How do these teachers deny or “contradict” the Master?  By producing, upholding, and demanding obedience to, the “crooked” ever changing lying doctrines of men, instead of the truthful teachings and laws of God established in Jesus Christ. These teachers are efficient at perverting, polluting, and contradicting the words of truth in Christ.  (Prov 17:20; Zeph 3:4; Deut 29:18-19; Ezek 34:17-19; Rev 8:10-11;1 Tim 6:3-5,20; Titus 1:16) 
    Peter states that false teachers would be “among you”, meaning “with you, in the interior of some whole”.  He is telling us that false prophets will arise from within the anointed Body of Christ, who are the “living stones” of the Temple of God. (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16; Eph 2:20-22) 
    Do those within the organization need to worry about being deceived by a false teacher or prophet outside of its walls?  No, the majority are mentally locked into the “empty philosophy” of the organization, fully convinced it is the “way” to salvation. They willingly submit themselves to the established arrangement, deceitfully planned by Satan to bring about their downfall. (Deut 13:1-5; Rom 1:21,22,25; Rev 13:4,14-17,5-7) 
    One use for the Greek word translated as “heresies” is “a body of men following their own tenets”
    “Many will follow their evil teaching and shameful immorality. And because of these teachers, the way of truth will be slandered. 3 In their greed they will make up clever lies to get hold of your money. But God condemned them long ago, and their destruction will not be delayed.” 2 Pet 2:2-3
    The apostle Paul also warned us of their arrival -    
    “I know that after my departure fierce wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock. And from among you yourselves men will arise, speaking perversions of the truth[ah] (“crooked things”) in order to draw away the disciples after them.”  Acts 20:30
    If we rely on the scriptures to teach us, Jesus illustrates clearly how to identify a false teacher as a “tree”, or branch of a vine, that cannot produce “good fruit” -  fruit that always remains “good”, edible and nourishing. Picture for yourself, the list of “beliefs clarified” as a bushel of diseased and rotten fruit; and yet that fruit was once called, “truth”.  (Matt 7:15-20; John 8:31-32; 15:2,4-7,16) 
    If one slanders or profanes the meaning of God’s truth and wisdom by attaching scripture to men’s false teachings, would not the source of truth, Jesus Christ himself, also be defamed? (Lev 19:16; Prov 10:18; Matt 12:36; Rom 3:8; 2 Cor 11:4; James 3:13-15)  
    Playing the children’s game of building a tower with interlocking wooden blocks, stacked one on top of another, requires clever moves and careful strategies when it’s your turn to remove a block, without toppling the finished tower. In comparison, removing a defunct teaching of the organization and replacing it with a spruced up lie at the top of the infamous list, is done with deliberate strategy; the new teachings must keep the “tower” stable. Yet, in the physical game we play with our children, each block removed and placed at the top of the tower, progressively weakens the structure, and ultimately leads to the tower’s fall.  (Ezek 22:28; Isa 25:12; Rom 16:18)  
    Looking again at the three factors said to guide the organization, we can confidently strike off #1 and #3, which claim that the organization is guided by Holy Spirit through reliance on God’s word.
    But what about #2?  If 1 and 2 are disproved by the words of Jesus Christ, what sort of “angelic assistance” guides the organization’s teachers? 
    To the anointed in Christ, Paul says: 
    “Now I consider myself in no way inferior to those ‘super-apostles’.                                                                                              
    But I will continue to do what I am doing, in order to cut off an opportunity to those who want to be regarded as our equals in what they boast about. 13 For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder! For Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. 15 So it is no great surprise if his servants also disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will be according to their works.” 2 Cor 11:5,12-15
    The word, “angel” in Greek is defined as a “messenger”; messengers are priests, and God’s priests are His anointed servants. (Mal 2:7; 1 Pet 2:5,9; Rom 15:16; Rev 5:9,10)
     Jesus Christ sends his “angels”/priests to announce truth and give warnings to God’s people. (Matt 13:41; 24:31; Jer 5:14; Rev 14:6-12; 18:4-8)
    To thwart this message of truth, Satan sends out his messengers with detrimental warnings to God’s people held captive  (Matt 12:34; Joel 2:2; Dan 11:10; Rev 9:2,3; 12:15-16; 16:13-14)…
    … shielding them from those whom Jesus sends.  (Rev 11:3; Zech 7:11; John 16:2-3; Rev 13:152 Cor 2:14-17; 1 Pet 3:16)  
    Thus, the battle of truth against lies rages, until all sinful acts, all deceitful works committed by Satan’s greatest achievement to deceive and destroy the temple members of Christ, are exposed and eliminated.  (Mal 3:18; Eph 5:11; Jer 23:29; 2 Pet 3:7; Rev 12:7,8; 20:7-9,14) 
    The tower built by the organization’s false teachers, is very close to collapsing.  (Matt 7:24-27; Ezek 13:9:14; 38:19-20) 
    The draw of power, riches and authority, will be the downfall of these “clever” fools, who have profaned the name of God.  (Rom 2:19-21,24) 
    “Of what use is money in the hand of a fool, since he has no intention of acquiring wisdom?”  Prov 17:16
    "Walk away from a fool—
    for you will find no knowledge on his lips.
    8 The wisdom of the prudent is to consider his way,
    but the folly of fools is deception.
    9 Fools mock guilt of sin,
    but among the upright is goodwill.
    The house of the wicked will be demolished,
    but the tent of the upright will flourish.
    12 There is a way that seems right to a man,
    but its end is the way to death.
    The naïve believes every word,
    but the shrewd discerns his steps.
    16 The wise fears and turns away from evil,
    but the fool is hotheaded and reckless.
    18 The naïve inherit folly,
    but the prudent are crowned with knowledge." Proverbs 14
     

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    Witness got a reaction from C-D67 in Armageddon comes in two phases...   
    Jesus told the crowds all these things in parables, and he did not tell them anything without a parable, 35 so that what was spoken through the prophet might be fulfilled:
    I will open my mouth in parables;
    I will declare things kept secret
    from the foundation of the world.   Matt 13:34,35
    The meaning of the Greek word rendered “parable” –  "a comparing, comparison of one thing with another, likeness, similitude".
    Matt 24 speaks of factors, segments, that comprise an event that one of you says is spiritual – “birth pains”.  I agree. But… how can the factors themselves, which cause symbolic, spiritual “birth pains” be taken literally?  There is no consistency in that reasoning.  Jesus, who spoke in parables, said that the coming of the kingdom will not arrive with observation.  He told his disciples/apostles that the kingdom is “within you”, “in your midst”. (Luke 17:20,21)
    Those anointed in Jesus day, and the anointed today, are under the woman covenant, (Gal 4:26); they experience the spiritual signs said to be “birth pains”. In Revelation it is this “woman” promise and those under that promise, that are giving “birth”; collectively and individually giving “birth” to the Kingdom. (Gal 4:19) The Kingdom was not “born” in heaven in 1914, otherwise all the sealed anointed would be ruling with Jesus Christ and God Kingdom would be here.
    Besides, one of you is saying there is another “birth” about to happen.  Two births?  Just like two Armageddons? 
    Satan’s “showy display” of literal war, pestilence, famine, earthquakes, etc., cannot attribute to spiritual “birth pains”.  His “world” will not be giving birth to the Kingdom.  JWs give Satan more attention than Jesus Christ and the anointed members of his Body, who comprise the spiritual Temple.  Why are you looking at Satan’s world for the coming of the Kingdom of God, when Jesus said his kingdom is NO PART OF THIS WORLD? Again, he said to his disciples, "the kingdom is within you" - they will be experience the birth pains.  Satan has the ability manipulate the spiritual signs by making them visible, as physical signs in his realm.  
    “Earthquakes in various places”, that affect the heart –Job 37:1,2; Ezek 38:18,19; Isa 64:1,2; Hag 2:7; Amos 9:9; Heb 12:25-27 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Job+37%3A1%2C2%3B+Ezek+38%3A18%2C19%3B+Isa+64%3A1%2C2%3B+Hag+2%3A7%3B+Amos+9%3A9%3B+Heb+12%3A25-27&version=NKJV
    Since Rev 12:2 tells us it is those under the new covenant “woman” who are experiencing these birth pains, the signs are significantly felt by the anointed “Israel”.
    Yet, even those residing with them will experience some of their effects.    
    “Nations will rise against nations, kingdom against kingdom”.  JWs are from all nations of the world.  From opposite sides of the globe, you two are warring with each other over interpretation of scripture.
    Matt 24:6 – “And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars”.
     I “war” against the teachings of the GB – they “war” against myself, Pearl, Rachel and other so-called “apostates”.  Apostates are “warring” with each other.  JWs “war” against apostates.  It is a war of words pertaining to truth, or lies; doctrines taught by the governing body, and the uprising it causes against their falsehoods.  And certainly, the uprising is kingdom against kingdom – the “kings of the earth” which are Christ’s anointed kings.  (1 Pet 2:5,9; Rev 1:5;5:9,10) Just read the scriptures to SEE that you are wrong in applying the "kings of the earth" to the world's rulers. 
    What does the GB do to retaliate in this war of words? Hire lawyers to support their desire to sue individuals; and do their best to shut people up, and shut them down.  Can you imagine Jesus taking people to court over what he taught?  
    Thomas Jefferson:  “It is error alone which needs the support of government. Truth can stand by itself”.
    But while JWs are in the middle of this spiritual war, they still believe that Satan’s theatrical display is part of symbolic “birth pains”.
    If you say you believe in the word of God, then listen to what it says!
    “ For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh. 4 For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, 5 casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ”  2 Cor 2:3-5
    “Famines” - “Behold, the days are coming,” says the Lord God,
    “That I will send a famine on the land,
    Not a famine of bread,
    Nor a thirst for water,
    But of hearing the words of the Lord.”  Amos 8:11
    Why would the anointed “Israel” in the last days be suffering from not hearing the words of the Lord?  Check your Belief Clarified list!  Recall all your failed doctrines, dates, inability to understand the meaning “this generation”, the locusts of Joel, just to name a few recent ones.  1914 is a LIE.  
    Matt 24:24,25 – more signs that affect the anointed “elect”; and are the reason for the existence of spiritual famine and pestilences in the organization.(1 Tim 4:1)
    “Pestilences” –“And their scribes and the Pharisees complained against His disciples, saying, “Why do You eat and drink with tax collectors and sinners?”
    31 Jesus answered and said to them, “Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick. 32 I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners, to repentance.”  Luke 5:30-32
    Under false teachers, false prophets, truth has been thrown down to the ground. (Dan 8:12) Evidence is in the trail of failed teachings.  The anointed are silenced – people who have the spirit of truth in their heart, but are not allowed to meet together, not allowed to contribute spiritual food. (1 John 2:20)  Who does?  Elders, not anointed, who have not had God’s spirit poured into their hearts. (Rom 5:5) Are the anointed priests able to teach God’s word as scripture says they should? (Mal 2:7) Can they provide the healing words of Jesus Christ?  Are they able to provide their spiritual sacrifices of praise by doing so? No, the elders have taken over that role, just like Korah desired to usurp the priesthood in Moses' day.  2 Thess 2:3,4
    “In the rebellion, the army was given up, together with the regular sacrifice. The horn threw truth to the ground and was successful in what it did.”  Dan 8:12
    This is why you have spiritual famine and pestilence in the organization.  You are blind to the need of truth from Jesus Christ (Rev 3:17-19), who would provide his priests with the spiritual food to feed all under an authentic faithful and discreet slave/steward of God’s household (Eph 2:20-22)…IF the anointed turned to him, and away from false prophets.  Matt 24:45-51
    “Lawlessness” - "Because lawlessness will multiply, the love of many will grow cold.” 
    Lack of love is lawlessness, according to Jesus Christ.  Matt 24:12  The laws of God are fulfilled in love through Christ. (Rom 13:8)  If God’s laws are not taught, which they aren’t in the Wt., then lawlessness thrives, which it does. The organization easily disfellowships people, cutting off all acts love, even to one’s child. You will say God’s laws ARE taught.  No, because the teachers who have His laws written in their hearts, have been silenced. (Heb 8:10) The GB “rule”, and dismiss their brothers and sisters in Christ. It is they, who have made the decree that the anointed cannot “bond” together.  Is that an act of love shown for the anointed Body of Christ?  (1 Cor 12)   The spiritual Temple that they represent, has been trampled by the elders who replaced them as priests.  1 Cor 3:16,17; Rev 11:1,2   An idol/organization has taken its place.  Rom 1:25; Rev 13:1,2,5-7; 16:13-16  And now your fake priests serve the idol.  
    Ezek 44:6-9 - “Say to the rebellious people, the house of Israel, ‘This is what the Lord God says: I have had enough of all your detestable practices, house of Israel. 7 When you brought in foreigners, uncircumcised in both heart and flesh, (not anointed elders)  to occupy my sanctuary, you defiled my temple while you offered my food—the fat and the blood. You broke my covenant by all your detestable practices. 8 You have not kept charge of my holy things but have appointed others to keep charge of my sanctuary for you.’
    9 “This is what the Lord God says: No foreigner, uncircumcised in heart and flesh, may enter my sanctuary, not even a foreigner who is among the Israelites.
    "Many will say to me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?' 23 "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you who practice lawlessness!'  Matt 7:22,23
    JWs reside with the “disgusting thing standing in the holy place”; the holy place is  the Temple of God.  That “disgusting” abomination of desolation is described above in Ezek 44:6-9.  It is the same abomination that Daniel and the apostle John said would occur in the last days.
    Again, what is desolated? The Temple of God, made of “living stones” in the anointed. People are downtrodden, threatened with expulsion and loss of family by a wicked slave who demands obedience to whatever teachings and decrees they may dish out. (Matt 24:48-51)  And yet all of you look to Satan’s world for the fulfillment of Matt 24.  Everything, every word Jesus spoke in Matt 24, applies to God's "Israel" and those who are with them.  
    If anyone can perceive the presence of the abomination of desolation, you are to flee. Dan 11:31; Matt 24:15,16; Mark 13:14; 2 Thess 2:3,4,9-12; Rev 11:1-3; 18:4-8; 14:6-11
    Armageddon happens just once, in the symbolic “valley of decision” – a war of truth against lies.  Joel 3:14  There is no other "Armageddon" a thousand years after the Kingdom comes. God's promise made in Rev 21, are steadfast and true.
    God is not a man, that he might lie,
    or a son of man, that he might change his mind.
    Does he speak and not act,
    or promise and not fulfill?  Num 23:19
     
    The Disgusting Thing
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Pudgy in Bro Rando is a rogue jw, which jw's here believe in him?   
    I wrote your answer above the line.  The rest of what I wrote was for anyone.  
    The answer is yes.
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    Witness got a reaction from Pudgy in Bro Rando is a rogue jw, which jw's here believe in him?   
    Very quick response, proving you didn't read the scriptures provided.
     
  14. Haha
    Witness got a reaction from Arauna in Bro Rando is a rogue jw, which jw's here believe in him?   
    I noticed you are confused by what I said, @Arauna.  Both the "thousand years" at Rev 20:2,7 and the "one hour" in Rev 17:12 are spans of time.  The "one hour" is symbolic, obviously; and so is the "thousand years".  We can't take either one of them literally in a symbolic book of "signs". 
    Rev 1:1- The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants—things which must shortly take place. And He sent and signified it by His angel to His servant John
    "signify" - "to give a sign".  
  15. Confused
    Witness got a reaction from Arauna in Bro Rando is a rogue jw, which jw's here believe in him?   
    “The ten horns which you saw are ten kings who have received no kingdom as yet, but they receive authority for one hour as kings with the beast."  Rev 17:12
    Using your theory, "one hour" in this scripture is a literal one hour.  This is the "eighth king" in control...for one literal hour?  Even the Wt. doesn't believe that.
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Peter Carroll in Bro Rando is a rogue jw, which jw's here believe in him?   
    It appears the excuse is made in favor of what Lett said.   If the enemy is identified, caution is taken against it. GB member A. Morris gave a vivid example with a match of what happens to “Jehovah’s enemies”.  Lett identified the enemy as babies. Put the two expressions together and what do you have?  He set the stage for disaster because of not considering how powerful his words could have, on any one of his listeners…from the removal of love shown in the family setting toward a baby or young child, to what this woman committed.  I know of a woman who was raised as a JW and who suffered severe abuse by her mother - beat with a 2x4 regularly, and screamed at after each meeting simply because a little girl could not live up to her mother's extreme standards.  Her mother was well liked, well respected in the organization.  People like her mother would take Lett’s words to heart, and most likely cause further damage to her already damaged daughter...that lasts a lifetime.  
     By the way, it has been brought out that the woman who killed her baby had a good rapport with all in her congregation.  As far as her mental instability, are you aware of the high count of depression that runs through the organization?  The high count of drug use to help curb the depression?   Have you thought of the woman's Ecuadorian background of historic religious beliefs?  What about JWs in Africa coming out of their own ancient understanding of evil, and how to attack it?  Combined with a strong cultural background of religious influence, the GB’s words are like fire that can destroy a forest in an instant. 
    God’s word in Christ about children should have been Lett’s guidelines; but instead, he leaned on his own understanding.  The law of God is fulfilled in Jesus’ words, fulfilled in love. 
    "Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law"  Rom 13:10
    He disregarded what a mother would feel by the use of his words.  He showed no love to his neighbor.  
    “Lawlessness” develops from a lack of love, appreciation for, and obedience to, Jesus’ teachings. It appears that most all of you choose the words of men, over the words of Jesus.
    Because lawlessness is increased, most people’s love will grow cold.  Matt 24:12
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Peter Carroll in Bro Rando is a rogue jw, which jw's here believe in him?   
    Again, God’s word in Christ about children should have been Lett’s guidelines; but instead, he leaned on his own understanding.  The law of God is fulfilled in Jesus’ words, fulfilled in love.   
    It is Lett who has not conscience.  1 Tim 4:1,2
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Peter Carroll in Bro Rando is a rogue jw, which jw's here believe in him?   
    So, are you saying that three elders sitting in on a judicial meeting who give the verdict upon a JWs that he is disfellowshipped - “dead in Jehovah's eyes" – are all asses?  John 16:2; Rev 13:15 
    “For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you.”  Matt 7:2
    John 12:48 – “He who rejects Me and does not receive My sayings, has one who judges him; the word I spoke is what will judge him at the last day.”
    Lett ignored the words of Jesus about children.
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Peter Carroll in Bro Rando is a rogue jw, which jw's here believe in him?   
    Which means, an elder cannot read the heart of a person, yet can still decide that God deems that one as spiritually dead.  Which also indicates that the elders who make such a judgment, have their consciences seared.  God's words tells us that it is called, wearing a "breastplate of iron".  Rev 9:1-4,9
     
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    Witness reacted to C-D67 in Bro Rando is a rogue jw, which jw's here believe in him?   
    Peter denied Jesus three times because he feared for his safety, knowing that execution was the probable outcome if the authorities seized him. When Peter uttered his three denials, Jesus’ trial was underway, and it was clear that the authorities were treating him unjustly and that death was imminent. Why do the Gospels record Peter’s denials?
    Denial is not the same as stubbornly refusing to admit the obvious. It’s also not the same as kidding yourself about the truth of things. In short, denial is not conscious lying, but rather unconscious protection against unbearable pain.
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Bro Rando is a rogue jw, which jw's here believe in him?   
    Worshiping in sprit and truth does not require a religious organization.  As I've said before, if that's what you're looking for, you know there are plenty out there to choose from who offer at least "15 percent" truth and maybe more.
    Jesus told her, “Believe me, woman, an hour is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem."
    Neither here in this organization, or there, in that organization.
     "But an hour is coming, and is now here, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in Spirit and in truth. Yes, the Father wants such people to worship him. 24 God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in Spirit and in truth.”  John 4
    A prophet appears in the last days to warn God's people of their sins. (Mal 3:1-4; Matt 17: 11; Rev 11:1-3; 14:6,7)  This person's goal is not to establish a religion, but to give an inspired warning and the understanding of this warning in Revelation.  (Rev 1:1)  We know there are no prophets from the past who established an organized religion.  Only what Jesus began building on his body, through the apostles and all anointed; is acceptable "worship".  (John 13:20)  
    Pudgy, you should realize that any religion organized by men leads to corruption, yet  you seem to desire the same thing that you already have, no matter the message.  
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Bro Rando is a rogue jw, which jw's here believe in him?   
    On your website:
    3487 hits for “Jehovah’s organization” in the same paragraph
    21 results for “spirit-directed organization”
    312 results for “Jehovah’s earthly organization”
    84 results for “loyalty to Jehovah’s organization
    12 results for “mountainlike organization”
    I didn’t pursue “dedication to Jehovah’s organization”, “obey Jehovah’s organization”, or all the various combinations of the words.
    What are they adding up to?  idolatry
    Can any of you tell me where God’s word condones loyalty, worship, dedication, obedience to ANYTHING, whether a philosophy or a physical entity, other than the Father and His word in His Son?  The apostles set a foundation of a “building” being built on truth – Jesus Christ.  Did they tell lies?  Did they make false predictions?  Or, did they warn against making false predictions?  2 Thess 2:1,2   Do God’s words given to Moses, not have any validity anymore?  Deut. 18:20-22
    Since we have proof that your organization has told lies, did God who spoke those words in Deut. 18 to Moses, build your organization, or did men?  Why would God bless an organization that contradicts the words of truth, established within the foundation of His spiritual Temple? (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16; Eph 2:20-22)   ANYONE, who puts down the Harlot’s wine, rejecting your leadership’s teachings, sobers up to the hypocrisy that flourishes in the Wt. (Rev 17:1,2; [Rev 1:5]; Rev 13:17;16:13; 1 Tim 4:1) Some who truly desire to know the Truth presented by Jesus Christ, reject your organization once they realize it is built on falsehoods.  This is why people who have left, will not quit speaking against the Wt, until Jesus returns to destroy it with the breath of his mouth – to condemn it using the Word of God.  (2 Thess 2: 9,10,8; Jer 23:29; Rev 12:7-9)
    And…this is why anointed who have been “killed” by the wicked slave, will not quit speaking their testimony of Christ.  (Matt 24:48-51; Rev 13:15; 11:1-4,7; 12:11) The only way they can hope to retrieve any of you and their loved ones, or the anointed under your rule @xero  - as you are, or were, part of the man of lawlessness/elder body sitting in the Temple of God - is to sound the trumpet to get out of the “beloved organization”.  (Matt 24:15,16; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2; 14:6-12; Rev 18:4-8)  The anointed are trampled down in that corrupt haven – a “god of fortresses” or “forces”. Elders are to be viewed as a shelter, and sources of strength and protection in times of need, the definitions of “forces”.   The organization is your stronghold and place of refuge against the world.  If that is not an idol, tell me what is.  Dan 11:38
    “Then the king shall do according to his own will: he shall exalt and magnify himself above every god, shall speak blasphemies against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the wrath has been accomplished; for what has been determined shall be done.” Dan 11:36
    You have already done this, by slandering the anointed “gods” (spirit sons of God) in comments made here on this forum. You, as a fake "priest" have exalted the organization over God’s Temple/Zion (Ezek 44:6-9) You do realize that most likely anointed could come through here to read.  I hope by your comments, they see the connection of the man of lawlessness/elder body/organization ruling and blaspheming the sanctuary/Temple of God.  1 Cor 3:16, 17; Rev 13:5-7.
    Any rival against God and what He builds, does not last. (Rev 13:4; 8:8; Zech 4:7) Any idol worshiped by God’s people, never brought salvation to them.  Their fall into idolatry only gained them affliction, famine, pestilence and destruction.    (Rev 18:8; 19:20)
    Zech 7:3-6 - Then the word of the Lord Almighty came to me: 5 “Ask all the people of the land and the priests (1 Pet 2:5,9),  ‘When you fasted and mourned in the fifth and seventh months for the past seventy years, was it really for me that you fasted? 6 And when you were eating and drinking, were you not just feasting for yourselves? 
    Exod 20: 3-6 – You shall have no other gods before Me.
    4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 5 you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. “
    The organization mimics other organizations built “in the earth beneath”.  It is served, and bowed down to, by dedication at baptism.   (2 Cor 11:4,20; Rev 13:4,16)
    “For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.”
    Can any of you truly say you love God, while condoning the trampling down of the members of the body of His Son?  Hypocrisy, which is shown by the exaltation of the elder body over the anointed ones of God's Temple/dwelling in spirit.  Mark 13:14
    He's not jealous for the “mountainlike organization” that men have built, but only for Mountain that He built on the anointed body of Christ. (John 2:19-21) The organization has no part in building Mount Zion, as its demonic purpose is to destroy it by seducing God’s anointed “living stones” to worship an idol. (Rev 12:1-4,15)  Only by the spirit of God in His Son, will it reach completion outside of the organization.  (Rev 16:12; Zech 4:7,13,14)
    2 This is what the Lord Almighty says: “I am very jealous for Zion; I am burning with jealousy for her.” This is what the Lord says: “I will return to Zion and dwell in Jerusalem. Then Jerusalem will be called the Faithful City, and the mountain of the Lord Almighty will be called the Holy Mountain.”  Zech 8:2
    Rev 21:10
    People will make their choice, as you have, to either love the organization, or choose to love and give total devotion to God and Christ and his Truth.  You can’t love both, and expect to please God.  Matt 6:24; Joel 3:14
    I once did fall for propaganda, that the organization belonged to God.  As can be seen by xero's comment, forgetting about God's Word is easy to do, when putting the organization and men's doctrine on a pedestal.   Who is the "idiot" (said by xero), the one who chooses to serve the Father and the Son in "spirit and truth", (John 4:23,24) or the one who serves an organization, the work of man's hands, and  an idol of "men's devising"?  Acts 17:24,25,29
  23. Like
    Witness got a reaction from lentaylor71 in Bro Rando is a rogue jw, which jw's here believe in him?   
    On your website:
    3487 hits for “Jehovah’s organization” in the same paragraph
    21 results for “spirit-directed organization”
    312 results for “Jehovah’s earthly organization”
    84 results for “loyalty to Jehovah’s organization
    12 results for “mountainlike organization”
    I didn’t pursue “dedication to Jehovah’s organization”, “obey Jehovah’s organization”, or all the various combinations of the words.
    What are they adding up to?  idolatry
    Can any of you tell me where God’s word condones loyalty, worship, dedication, obedience to ANYTHING, whether a philosophy or a physical entity, other than the Father and His word in His Son?  The apostles set a foundation of a “building” being built on truth – Jesus Christ.  Did they tell lies?  Did they make false predictions?  Or, did they warn against making false predictions?  2 Thess 2:1,2   Do God’s words given to Moses, not have any validity anymore?  Deut. 18:20-22
    Since we have proof that your organization has told lies, did God who spoke those words in Deut. 18 to Moses, build your organization, or did men?  Why would God bless an organization that contradicts the words of truth, established within the foundation of His spiritual Temple? (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16; Eph 2:20-22)   ANYONE, who puts down the Harlot’s wine, rejecting your leadership’s teachings, sobers up to the hypocrisy that flourishes in the Wt. (Rev 17:1,2; [Rev 1:5]; Rev 13:17;16:13; 1 Tim 4:1) Some who truly desire to know the Truth presented by Jesus Christ, reject your organization once they realize it is built on falsehoods.  This is why people who have left, will not quit speaking against the Wt, until Jesus returns to destroy it with the breath of his mouth – to condemn it using the Word of God.  (2 Thess 2: 9,10,8; Jer 23:29; Rev 12:7-9)
    And…this is why anointed who have been “killed” by the wicked slave, will not quit speaking their testimony of Christ.  (Matt 24:48-51; Rev 13:15; 11:1-4,7; 12:11) The only way they can hope to retrieve any of you and their loved ones, or the anointed under your rule @xero  - as you are, or were, part of the man of lawlessness/elder body sitting in the Temple of God - is to sound the trumpet to get out of the “beloved organization”.  (Matt 24:15,16; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2; 14:6-12; Rev 18:4-8)  The anointed are trampled down in that corrupt haven – a “god of fortresses” or “forces”. Elders are to be viewed as a shelter, and sources of strength and protection in times of need, the definitions of “forces”.   The organization is your stronghold and place of refuge against the world.  If that is not an idol, tell me what is.  Dan 11:38
    “Then the king shall do according to his own will: he shall exalt and magnify himself above every god, shall speak blasphemies against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the wrath has been accomplished; for what has been determined shall be done.” Dan 11:36
    You have already done this, by slandering the anointed “gods” (spirit sons of God) in comments made here on this forum. You, as a fake "priest" have exalted the organization over God’s Temple/Zion (Ezek 44:6-9) You do realize that most likely anointed could come through here to read.  I hope by your comments, they see the connection of the man of lawlessness/elder body/organization ruling and blaspheming the sanctuary/Temple of God.  1 Cor 3:16, 17; Rev 13:5-7.
    Any rival against God and what He builds, does not last. (Rev 13:4; 8:8; Zech 4:7) Any idol worshiped by God’s people, never brought salvation to them.  Their fall into idolatry only gained them affliction, famine, pestilence and destruction.    (Rev 18:8; 19:20)
    Zech 7:3-6 - Then the word of the Lord Almighty came to me: 5 “Ask all the people of the land and the priests (1 Pet 2:5,9),  ‘When you fasted and mourned in the fifth and seventh months for the past seventy years, was it really for me that you fasted? 6 And when you were eating and drinking, were you not just feasting for yourselves? 
    Exod 20: 3-6 – You shall have no other gods before Me.
    4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 5 you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. “
    The organization mimics other organizations built “in the earth beneath”.  It is served, and bowed down to, by dedication at baptism.   (2 Cor 11:4,20; Rev 13:4,16)
    “For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.”
    Can any of you truly say you love God, while condoning the trampling down of the members of the body of His Son?  Hypocrisy, which is shown by the exaltation of the elder body over the anointed ones of God's Temple/dwelling in spirit.  Mark 13:14
    He's not jealous for the “mountainlike organization” that men have built, but only for Mountain that He built on the anointed body of Christ. (John 2:19-21) The organization has no part in building Mount Zion, as its demonic purpose is to destroy it by seducing God’s anointed “living stones” to worship an idol. (Rev 12:1-4,15)  Only by the spirit of God in His Son, will it reach completion outside of the organization.  (Rev 16:12; Zech 4:7,13,14)
    2 This is what the Lord Almighty says: “I am very jealous for Zion; I am burning with jealousy for her.” This is what the Lord says: “I will return to Zion and dwell in Jerusalem. Then Jerusalem will be called the Faithful City, and the mountain of the Lord Almighty will be called the Holy Mountain.”  Zech 8:2
    Rev 21:10
    People will make their choice, as you have, to either love the organization, or choose to love and give total devotion to God and Christ and his Truth.  You can’t love both, and expect to please God.  Matt 6:24; Joel 3:14
    I once did fall for propaganda, that the organization belonged to God.  As can be seen by xero's comment, forgetting about God's Word is easy to do, when putting the organization and men's doctrine on a pedestal.   Who is the "idiot" (said by xero), the one who chooses to serve the Father and the Son in "spirit and truth", (John 4:23,24) or the one who serves an organization, the work of man's hands, and  an idol of "men's devising"?  Acts 17:24,25,29
  24. Haha
    Witness got a reaction from Pudgy in Bro Rando is a rogue jw, which jw's here believe in him?   
    Really!  Well, like the JW mentioned on reddit that an elder told him, 'forget about the Bible, how do you feel about Jehovah's organization?'  That "worship" is paramount, as well as "worship" given to the eight.  
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    Witness got a reaction from Pudgy in George Benson in Concert - Cardiff, UK   
    Apparently you haven't met JWs who are barely scraping by because they don't have pensions - house cleaners, window washers, doing handyman work, childcare; which also goes for a good amount of people within the population.  I knew of a woman who never had a career, only that of special pioneering when younger. After that, she became a house cleaner and not with a company, which means no chance of receiving a pension.  She was much older than I, and I wondered and even fretted over how she would survive in her old age, since any family was gone.   I have seen teachers barely survive on pensions that only covered necessities and bills to remain in a house.  
    I doubt these people have pensions...

     
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