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    Witness reacted to 4Jah2me in Queensland passes law to jail priests for not reporting confessions of child sexual abuse   
    I didn't bother to read all of @Arauna's rant because she was only making excuses for the Paedophiles in the CCJW and the dishonesty of the GB in withholding information from the American courts and authorities.  Her first sentence said it all really. 
    Question: Is it really about MORALITY or are they going after all christian religions? 
    The answer is that they are going after Paedophiles so that CHILDREN can be protected. And obviously the GB and most JWs think more of the Organisation than they do about God, Christ and children.  The Superior Authorities were put in place by God and this scripture is quite clear about it. 
    Romans 13 v 1 through 4. 
     Let every person be in subjection to the superior authorities, for there is no authority except by God;  the existing authorities stand placed in their relative positions by God. 2  Therefore, whoever opposes the authority has taken a stand against the arrangement of God;  those who have taken a stand against it will bring judgment against themselves. 3  For those rulers are an object of fear, not to the good deed, but to the bad.  Do you want to be free of fear of the authority? Keep doing good, and you will have praise from it; 4  for it is God’s minister to you for your good. But if you are doing what is bad, be in fear, for it is not without purpose that it bears the sword. It is God’s minister, an avenger to express wrath against the one practicing what is bad.
    It is so sad when JWs, including the GB,  disobey God deliberately, just to protect an organisation. 
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Queensland passes law to jail priests for not reporting confessions of child sexual abuse   
    “Representing the royal priesthood are appointed elders, who serve in positions of responsibility in congregations of Jehovah’s people around the earth. These men deserve our respect and wholehearted support, whether they are of the anointed or not. Why? Because, through his holy spirit, Jehovah has appointed the older men to their positions.
     Rather than challenge their authority, we truly appreciate our hardworking elders!  W02/8/1 pp 9-14”
     With representation of God’s priests, comes apparent authority.  It is interesting that God would bless this non-biblical position, since nowhere in the Bible does scripture say God would allow His priests to be represented or replaced.
    But then, do JWs care what God thinks?  I wonder.
    “The Lord said to Aaron, “You, your sons and your family are to bear the responsibility for offenses connected with the sanctuary, and you and your sons alone are to bear the responsibility for offenses connected with the priesthood.
    You are to be responsible for the care of the sanctuary and the altar, so that my wrath will not fall on the Israelites again. 6 I myself have selected your fellow Levites from among the Israelites as a gift to you, dedicated to the Lord to do the work at the tent of meeting. 7 But only you and your sons may serve as priests in connection with everything at the altar and inside the curtain. I am giving you the service of the priesthood as a gift. Anyone else who comes near the sanctuary is to be put to death.”  Num 18:1,5-7
    Since the anointed are the sanctuary Temple/House of God, the GB has allowed others  (“Gentiles”) to come “near the sanctuary”, and act as God’s priests.  Elders “sit” – rule with authority – over/in,  the Temple of God.  2 Thess 2:3,4; 1 Cor 3:16,17; 1 Pet 2:5,9; Eph 2:20-22; Rev 13:5-7
    The Lord said to Moses, 6 “Bring the tribe of Levi and present them to Aaron the priest to assist him. 7 They are to perform duties for him and for the whole community at the tent of meeting by doing the work of the tabernacle. 
    “Appoint Aaron and his sons to serve as priests; anyone else who approaches the sanctuary is to be put to death.” Num 3:6,10
     
    Will Queensland challenge the authority of the elder body? Should we let Queensland know who are the acting priests of the WT?
    Will the elder body back down and refuse to be called “priests” when they are confronted by their actions of not reporting child abuse, and the promise of jail time looms before them?  Or, for “Jehovah’s organization” will they do their time in jail, instead of obeying the laws? 
    Every JW should challenge the authority of the elder body over them.  It is lawlessness. 
    “His armed forces will rise up to desecrate the temple fortress and will abolish the daily sacrifice. Then they will set up the abomination that causes desolation. 32 With flattery he will corrupt those who have violated the covenant, but the people who know their God will firmly resist him.” Dan 11:31,32
     
       
    Priests in Queensland will now be compelled to break the seal of confession to report child sexual abuse or face three years in jail.
    Key points:
    The law was passed with the support of the Opposition It enacts a recommendation of the child sexual abuse royal commission Police Minister Mark Ryan says it will help protect vulnerable children New laws passed through Queensland Parliament will force members of the clergy to report known or suspected cases of abuse to police.
    The legislation means religious institutions and their members are no longer able to use the sanctity of confessional as a defence or excuse in child sex abuse matters.
    Police Minister Mark Ryan said the laws would ensure better protection for vulnerable children.
    "The requirement and quite frankly the moral obligation to report concerning behaviours towards children applies to everyone everyone in this community," he said.
    "No one group or occupation is being singled out.
    The laws apply to information received from now, even if it relates to abuse that occurred in the past.
    The law was supported by the Opposition.
    'They will go to jail before obeying'
    But One Nation MP Stephen Andrew said it set a dangerous precedent for religious leaders.
    "The bill poses a real danger for public trust and cohesion in our community," Mr Andrew said.
    Archbishop Mark Coleridge argues the new law won't improve child safety.(ABC News: Lincoln Rothall) "Many priests and bishops have publicly stated that they will go to jail before obeying these laws.
    "How confident can the people of Queensland be that they live in a free and open democracy governed by the rule of law, where the state jails its bishops?"
    Members of the 
    Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. . Earlier this year, Brisbane Catholic Archbishop Mark Coleridge told the ABC he believed breaking the confessional seal would "not make a difference to the safety of young people".
    'It's about morality'
    Hetty Johnston from the child protection group Bravehearts expressed her support for the new laws.
    "I don't think there is enough jail time in the world that would replace a child's innocence … what sort of punishment is suitable for someone who would allow that to happen?
    "So I don't know that it's about time, it's about morality."
    The laws enact 
    Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. . The passing of the law also coincides with Queensland child protection week.

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    Witness got a reaction from 4Jah2me in ALL aspects of 1914 doctrine are now problematic from a Scriptural point of view   
    It really doesn’t take meticulous research to disprove 1914. 
    “ In 1914 the long-awaited new heavens came into existence. The Messianic Kingdom born in that year rules from heaven itself, and Jehovah has given it authority over all the earth.   ip chapter 26, pp 372-389 
    Anyone who was anointed after the death of the last of the anointed ones in the first group—that is, after those who witnessed the “beginning of pangs of distress” in 1914—would not be part of “this generation.”—Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. .    Kr chapter 1 pg 6-12
    The Kingdom was apparently BORN in 1914
    FOLLOWED BY “pangs of distress”  in the same year, as translated by the NWT
    The Greek word for “pangs of distress”:  
    ὠδίν ōdín, o-deen'; akin to Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ; a pang or throe, especially of childbirth:—pain, sorrow, travail.
    “the pain of childbirth, travail pain, birth pangs”
    As in 1 Thess 5:3 – “For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.”
     
    Various translations:
    All these events are the beginning of birth pains.  HSCB
    But all these things are the beginning of birth pains.  LEB
    All these are the beginning of birth pains.  NIV
    All this is but the beginning [the early pains] of the birth pangs [of the intolerable anguish]. AMPC
    These things are only the beginning of troubles, like the first pains of a woman giving birth.  ERV
     Why does the NWT say “pangs of distress” and not "birth pains"?  Because, anyone with any sense knows that birth does not happen before birth pains – before labor, that results in birth. 
     
     

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    Witness reacted to 4Jah2me in ALL aspects of 1914 doctrine are now problematic from a Scriptural point of view   
    Oh dear, feathers ruffled very quickly. So, there must be some truth in my comment above. 
    For anyone that is interested. I think i can remember JWI saying that the GB were 'backing off' (my phrase) from the 1914 teachings. I even think I remember him quoting how many times, per year, that it was used in W/t mags. Hence when i saw it in this fairly new W/t i was surprised. 
    When you look at the title of this very topic :
    "ALL aspects of 1914 doctrine are now problematic from a Scriptural point of view"
    Then you would think my comment above would be quite acceptable to honest hearted ones. 
    I did do a bit of research and found out that the 1914 date had some relation to Pyramidology / Russell / Rutherford, which was still believed up until 1928. Not exactly 'Holy Spirit' guiding that was it ? 
    My answer to @Arauna is this.  The Bible does not mention 1914 at all. So the Witnesses that believe in 1914 are not doing so because they believe what the Bible says, they are doing so because they believe what the Governing Body says. 
    My answer to @JW Insider is this. I quote you 
    We all have opinions, and when it comes to interpretation, it doesn't matter how strongly we believe them or present them: they're still opinions.
    This applies just as much to the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses. They are not inspired or guided by Holy Spirit, they have proved as much by the things they write about the Anointed remnant. 
    If you people wish to judge me as a troll, then so be it. I am willing to suffer all insults because i seek truth and honesty.  But i do realise that truth hurts, so I'm prepared for the backlash. 
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in The woman in the wilderness   
    He certainly did, by forming His organization of the new creation, on His chief cornerstone, Jesus Christ. (2 Cor 5:17)
    For in Scripture it says:
    ‘See, I lay a stone in Zion,
        a chosen and precious cornerstone,
    and the one who trusts in him
        will never be put to shame.’ 
    “As you come to him, the living Stone – rejected by humans but chosen by God and precious to him – 5 you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.” 1 Pet 2:6,4,5
    This describes God’s “organization” – His spiritual “house” of “Israel’s” priests and authentic witnesses of God.  (Isa 43:10)   “Bethel” means, “house of God”.  Yet, the Wt organization built its own “house” of God, with “Gentiles”. 
    Which “house” do you think God prefers to run? The one built on the spiritual Body of His Son, or the one that you consider as His, built in the world of Satan?
    “While he was still speaking, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them; and suddenly a voice came out of the cloud, saying, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. Hear Him!”
    Yes, it has always been, ‘do as I say, if you want life’.  Deut 30:19; 18:18
    Jesus said, “Very truly I tell you, whoever obeys my word will never see death.” John 8:51
    Let’s see what those are, in the Temple of God:
    “Jesus answered them, ‘Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days.’ But the temple he had spoken of was his body.”  John 2:19,21
    “Just as a body, though one, has many parts, but all its many parts form one body, so it is with Christ. 13 For we were all baptised by one Spirit so as to form one body – whether Jews or Gentiles, slave or free – and we were all given the one Spirit to drink. 14 And so the body is not made up of one part but of many.” 1 Cor 12:12-14
    “built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. 21 In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord.”   Eph 2:19,20
    God “organized” the foundation of the living Temple in Christ, which we see was established when Jesus was on the earth. 
    “And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.”
    Peter is one of the foundation stones of God’s Temple.  Has anything changed during the last 2,000 years?  Did God fail in his organizational building efforts of adding faithful “stones” to the Temple?  Did He scrap this idea and decide to instill in the hearts of men around a hundred years ago, the desire to build His house out of what this world has to offer, in the form of riches, and using men to do it?
     “The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by human hands. 25 And he is not served by human hands, as if he needed anything. Rather, he himself gives everyone life and breath and everything else.”  Act 17:24,25
    Since the apostle Paul said that God does not live in temples built by humans, He obviously would not inhabit an organization built by humans. There is only one spirit creature, that would convince us otherwise; Satan, who offers material possessions, and power and authority over God’s spiritual “kings” on this earth, if one “bows down” to him.   (Luke 4:5-7; Rev 13:11,12)
    The Bridegroom protects those who recognize his priesthood and Temple of God. “Foolish virgins” are left behind – those foolish enough to surrender their power and authority over to earthly endeavours.  They buy their oil, their spiritual "food", not from Christ, but from false christs. (Matt 25:2,9,10; Rev 13:16,17; 3:18)   This is why the gate is so narrow.  HE is the gate, not the Watchtower, who has robbed JWs of the knowledge of God’s spiritual meaning of “organization”.  . John 10:9,10 
    The apostle Paul is also a foundation stone of the organized Temple of God:
    “By the grace God has given me, I laid a foundation as a wise builder, and someone else is building on it. But each one should build with care. For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ. 
    Don’t you know that you yourselves are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit lives among you? 17 If anyone destroys God’s temple, God will destroy that person; for God’s temple is sacred, and you together are that temple.”  1 Cor 3:10,11,16,17
    Already, this Temple of living stones has been “destroyed” in the minds of JWs, for they have placed an idol of earthly “organization” before them, to bow down to – as prophesied to happen in the last days. (Rom 1:25; Rev 13:4) The “Gentile” elder body has the authority OVER God’s Temple – the “holy city” members of God. (Matt 24:15; Dan 11:31,32,36)
    “I was given a reed like a measuring rod and was told, ‘Go and measure the temple of God and the altar, with its worshippers. 2 But exclude the outer court; do not measure it, because it has been given to the Gentiles. They will trample on the holy city for 42 months. Rev 11:1,2
    Whenever God’s priests have been replaced, or His Temple defiled by “Gentiles”/”foreigners”, a price is paid.  (Num 18:19; 2 Chron 23:6,7; Num 18:7; Ezek 44:6-9; 2 Chron 13:9; Num 3:10)
    This is rebellion and “lawlessness”. Are you prepared for what is to come upon the organization, in light of the iniquities committed by it?  (Rev 18:4-8)  The Temple priesthood in the organization, has as their Head, the GB.  If they turn their back on them, rejecting their “headship”, and submit fully to Jesus Christ, guess what the elders do? What are the elders commanded to do?  They spiritually “kill” them.  (Matt 23:34; 24:48-51; Rev 13:11,12,15)  The elder body has replaced God’s priests. It’s clearly stated so, in your magazines.   They have been given authority by “false christs” to judge them spiritually – the servants/priests of Jesus Christ!
     Doesn’t this sound a little out of place to you? It certainly isn't God's definition of "organization".    
    “Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand.” Rom 14:4
    Correct.
    “Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come (the coming of Christ) until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshipped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.”
    And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendour of his coming.  2 Thess 2:3,4,8
    The earthly organized form of worship was abolished when Jesus Christ arrived on the earth, yet the Wt refuses to acknowledge this, since an "earthly form of worship", is its lifeblood.  And now, as the years have progressed, it completely refuses to recognize and use, the authentic spiritual priesthood of God.  “Gentiles” are apparently “blessed” with God’s approval, to act as His priests.  This is blasphemy.  This is lawlessness. 
    "But didn't you drive out the priests of the LORD, the sons of Aaron, and the Levites, and make priests of your own as the peoples of other lands do? Whoever comes to consecrate himself with a young bull and seven rams may become a priest of what are not gods."  2 Chron 13:9
    Who is Christ’s enemy?  Who’s reign is threatened to come to an end by the completion of the Temple of God? (Zech 4:7)
    “For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.  See, I have told you beforehand.”Matt 24:24
    Please consider what your twisted “organized” form of worship will say out of one side of the mouth; and only a few days later, out of the other side:
    "As Christians, we face up to similar challenges today. We cannot take part in any modern version of idolatry—be it worshipful gestures toward an image or symbol or the imputing of salvation to a person or an organization." Wt 1990 11/1 p. 26
    Exod 20:4-6 - “You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments.” 
     
    "Bible students need to get acquainted with the organization of the “one flock” Jesus spoke about at John 10:16. They must appreciate that identifying themselves with Jehovah’s organization is essential to their salvation. (Rev 7:9,10,15) Therefore, we should start directing our Bible students to the organization as soon as a Bible study is established."  KM 11/1990  p. 1
     
    This, is the main course.  Watchtower is only good at creating desserts.  
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from 4Jah2me in The woman in the wilderness   
    John, I know my words are strong, because I defend Jesus Christ, my Head and the Son of God.   I also know you've been in the WT many years and have seen many changes in the organization.   Men, can influence us with what they may call, in our "best interests".  In the last days, the remnant anointed are tested by Satan with a powerful, flooding delusion - a delusion that appears to be in their best interests. (2 Thess 2:9-12; Luke 17:26,27; Rev 12:15)  But, it deflects from the purpose of why they are anointed. The organization puts the anointed role of God's priests on the back burner, saying their "power and authority" will not take place until after Armageddon.  Did we see the foundation stones appearing to be weak in their proclamation about the Christ?  No, they guarded truth, as we all should.  Pure truth, that the Temple of God is built upon. 
    God allows Satan to test all of us, and his last deception is his greatest. (Luke 22:31; Rev 13:13,14; 16:13,14; 20:7-10)  Satan "deceives" us, using falsehoods.  He knows he's about to go down, he knows that when the last "temple stones" are in place, his "mountain" that he has fabricated, the "mountainlike organization", will be destroyed.  He prefers we all go down with him.  (Zech 4:8,9,7; Rev 8:8,9)  
    There is only one "mountain" that God wants us to  recognize. 
     
    “But as for me, I will come into Your house in the multitude of Your mercy;
    In fear of You I will worship toward Your holy temple.”  Ps 5:7
    “Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?” 1 Cor 3:16,17
    “And what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For you are the temple of the living God. As God has said: “I will dwell in them And walk among them. I will be their God, And they shall be My people.” 2 Cor 6:16
    “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who receives whomever I send receives Me; and he who receives Me receives Him who sent Me.”  John 13:20
    “you also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.
    But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light”  1 Pet 2:5,9
    “For the lips of a priest should keep knowledge,
    And people should seek the law from his mouth;
    For he is the messenger of the Lord of hosts.”  Mal 2:7
     
    “In the last days
    the mountain of the Lord’s temple will be established
        as the highest of the mountains;
    it will be exalted above the hills,
        and all nations will stream to it.
    3 Many peoples will come and say,
    ‘Come, let us go up to the mountain of the Lord,
        to the temple of the God of Jacob.
    He will teach us his ways,
        so that we may walk in his paths.’
    The law will go out from Zion,
        the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.  Isa 2:2,3
     
    “Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.”
    “When you see “the abomination that causes desolation” standing where it does not belong – let the reader understand – then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.”  Mark 13:14
     
    The "mountains" that we turn to, when we leave the counterfeit "mountain" where abominations are committed by "Gentiles"/elders "sitting" in God's Temple, are those who left the idol; those who belong to the Temple of God - the anointed "living stones" of the priesthood.  
     
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    Witness got a reaction from 4Jah2me in The woman in the wilderness   
    He certainly did, by forming His organization of the new creation, on His chief cornerstone, Jesus Christ. (2 Cor 5:17)
    For in Scripture it says:
    ‘See, I lay a stone in Zion,
        a chosen and precious cornerstone,
    and the one who trusts in him
        will never be put to shame.’ 
    “As you come to him, the living Stone – rejected by humans but chosen by God and precious to him – 5 you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.” 1 Pet 2:6,4,5
    This describes God’s “organization” – His spiritual “house” of “Israel’s” priests and authentic witnesses of God.  (Isa 43:10)   “Bethel” means, “house of God”.  Yet, the Wt organization built its own “house” of God, with “Gentiles”. 
    Which “house” do you think God prefers to run? The one built on the spiritual Body of His Son, or the one that you consider as His, built in the world of Satan?
    “While he was still speaking, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them; and suddenly a voice came out of the cloud, saying, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. Hear Him!”
    Yes, it has always been, ‘do as I say, if you want life’.  Deut 30:19; 18:18
    Jesus said, “Very truly I tell you, whoever obeys my word will never see death.” John 8:51
    Let’s see what those are, in the Temple of God:
    “Jesus answered them, ‘Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days.’ But the temple he had spoken of was his body.”  John 2:19,21
    “Just as a body, though one, has many parts, but all its many parts form one body, so it is with Christ. 13 For we were all baptised by one Spirit so as to form one body – whether Jews or Gentiles, slave or free – and we were all given the one Spirit to drink. 14 And so the body is not made up of one part but of many.” 1 Cor 12:12-14
    “built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. 21 In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord.”   Eph 2:19,20
    God “organized” the foundation of the living Temple in Christ, which we see was established when Jesus was on the earth. 
    “And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.”
    Peter is one of the foundation stones of God’s Temple.  Has anything changed during the last 2,000 years?  Did God fail in his organizational building efforts of adding faithful “stones” to the Temple?  Did He scrap this idea and decide to instill in the hearts of men around a hundred years ago, the desire to build His house out of what this world has to offer, in the form of riches, and using men to do it?
     “The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by human hands. 25 And he is not served by human hands, as if he needed anything. Rather, he himself gives everyone life and breath and everything else.”  Act 17:24,25
    Since the apostle Paul said that God does not live in temples built by humans, He obviously would not inhabit an organization built by humans. There is only one spirit creature, that would convince us otherwise; Satan, who offers material possessions, and power and authority over God’s spiritual “kings” on this earth, if one “bows down” to him.   (Luke 4:5-7; Rev 13:11,12)
    The Bridegroom protects those who recognize his priesthood and Temple of God. “Foolish virgins” are left behind – those foolish enough to surrender their power and authority over to earthly endeavours.  They buy their oil, their spiritual "food", not from Christ, but from false christs. (Matt 25:2,9,10; Rev 13:16,17; 3:18)   This is why the gate is so narrow.  HE is the gate, not the Watchtower, who has robbed JWs of the knowledge of God’s spiritual meaning of “organization”.  . John 10:9,10 
    The apostle Paul is also a foundation stone of the organized Temple of God:
    “By the grace God has given me, I laid a foundation as a wise builder, and someone else is building on it. But each one should build with care. For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ. 
    Don’t you know that you yourselves are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit lives among you? 17 If anyone destroys God’s temple, God will destroy that person; for God’s temple is sacred, and you together are that temple.”  1 Cor 3:10,11,16,17
    Already, this Temple of living stones has been “destroyed” in the minds of JWs, for they have placed an idol of earthly “organization” before them, to bow down to – as prophesied to happen in the last days. (Rom 1:25; Rev 13:4) The “Gentile” elder body has the authority OVER God’s Temple – the “holy city” members of God. (Matt 24:15; Dan 11:31,32,36)
    “I was given a reed like a measuring rod and was told, ‘Go and measure the temple of God and the altar, with its worshippers. 2 But exclude the outer court; do not measure it, because it has been given to the Gentiles. They will trample on the holy city for 42 months. Rev 11:1,2
    Whenever God’s priests have been replaced, or His Temple defiled by “Gentiles”/”foreigners”, a price is paid.  (Num 18:19; 2 Chron 23:6,7; Num 18:7; Ezek 44:6-9; 2 Chron 13:9; Num 3:10)
    This is rebellion and “lawlessness”. Are you prepared for what is to come upon the organization, in light of the iniquities committed by it?  (Rev 18:4-8)  The Temple priesthood in the organization, has as their Head, the GB.  If they turn their back on them, rejecting their “headship”, and submit fully to Jesus Christ, guess what the elders do? What are the elders commanded to do?  They spiritually “kill” them.  (Matt 23:34; 24:48-51; Rev 13:11,12,15)  The elder body has replaced God’s priests. It’s clearly stated so, in your magazines.   They have been given authority by “false christs” to judge them spiritually – the servants/priests of Jesus Christ!
     Doesn’t this sound a little out of place to you? It certainly isn't God's definition of "organization".    
    “Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand.” Rom 14:4
    Correct.
    “Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come (the coming of Christ) until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshipped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.”
    And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendour of his coming.  2 Thess 2:3,4,8
    The earthly organized form of worship was abolished when Jesus Christ arrived on the earth, yet the Wt refuses to acknowledge this, since an "earthly form of worship", is its lifeblood.  And now, as the years have progressed, it completely refuses to recognize and use, the authentic spiritual priesthood of God.  “Gentiles” are apparently “blessed” with God’s approval, to act as His priests.  This is blasphemy.  This is lawlessness. 
    "But didn't you drive out the priests of the LORD, the sons of Aaron, and the Levites, and make priests of your own as the peoples of other lands do? Whoever comes to consecrate himself with a young bull and seven rams may become a priest of what are not gods."  2 Chron 13:9
    Who is Christ’s enemy?  Who’s reign is threatened to come to an end by the completion of the Temple of God? (Zech 4:7)
    “For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.  See, I have told you beforehand.”Matt 24:24
    Please consider what your twisted “organized” form of worship will say out of one side of the mouth; and only a few days later, out of the other side:
    "As Christians, we face up to similar challenges today. We cannot take part in any modern version of idolatry—be it worshipful gestures toward an image or symbol or the imputing of salvation to a person or an organization." Wt 1990 11/1 p. 26
    Exod 20:4-6 - “You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments.” 
     
    "Bible students need to get acquainted with the organization of the “one flock” Jesus spoke about at John 10:16. They must appreciate that identifying themselves with Jehovah’s organization is essential to their salvation. (Rev 7:9,10,15) Therefore, we should start directing our Bible students to the organization as soon as a Bible study is established."  KM 11/1990  p. 1
     
    This, is the main course.  Watchtower is only good at creating desserts.  
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in "WHAT MY PROPHETS SAY, I DO"   
    I came across this quote from a governing body member’s talk (David Splane, I believe), which was given on the final day of the 2020 convention:
    “What other religious organization foretells the destruction of a World Empire of False Religion? We're the only ones, because the others are all part of Babylon the Great. They're not going to foretell the future of the destruction in the future. So, the destruction is going to be a surprise to everyone but Jehovah's Witnesses. And when it occurs, there will be no doubt in your minds that you're on the winning side, that you're on Jehovah's side.

    Some Brothers get all upset over some detail that they don't think that the organization has the right take on. It might be the pronunciation of God's name or the meaning of that name. Or the meaning of some verse in the Scriptures. They get all upset, they get obsessed over one detail and it interferes with their worship. But when Babylon the Great goes down, will there be any doubt as to which channel Jehovah God has been using all this time to do his will? You will be sooo glad that you are on the winning side.” 
    Would God “channel” His pronunciations through an organization that has a history of failed predictions? (Deut 18:20-22; Matt 24:4,5,24,25)
    If the leaders themselves are not “inspired” by Holy Spirit, which they admit to, it is logical to conclude that they cannot be God’s spiritual channel.
    Does this mean then, that the organization itself, is “inspired”? Well, the Beast of Rev 13:1,2, which is under the “covenant of death”/Babylon the Great, is indeed, “inspired”. (Isa 28:15; Rev 9:1; 17:5)
    The WT names this Beast from the Sea, “Satan’s organization”. A false prophet/harlot daughter “breathes” spirit into this organization, causing it to become “spirit-directed” - a phrase that certainly should sound familiar to JWs. (Rev 13:11,12,14,15; 16:13,14) (See John 20:22)
    Since God and Christ are the source of Truth, and only truth, who is responsible for WT’s numerous failed predictions and changes in doctrine? The Spirit of God cannot lie. 1 John 2:21 states that -
    “no lie [nothing false, no deception] is of the truth.”
    When JWs proclaim they have “the truth”, or, that they are “in the truth”, they are lying. God’s Spirit would not motivate someone to predict a falsehood. The motivation to do so, comes from another source.
    “The Spirit says clearly that some people will abandon the faith in later times; they will obey lying spirits and follow the teachings of demons. 2 Such teachings are spread by deceitful liars, whose consciences are dead, as if burnt with a hot iron.” Tim 4:1,2
    Should we trust a “teacher” claiming to represent an organization that has delivered documented falsehoods consistently, to then foretell the outcome of the last days before Christ’s return? Wouldn’t we be putting our trust in “lying spirits” and the “teachings of demons”? (Matt 7:15-19; 2 Cor 11:13-15)
     
    Humans are no contest against the devil and his demons, when those powerful spirits work to deceive mere humans (Luke 18:26,27).
    When an organization is backed by Satan (Rev 13:1,4,8) it can even deceive and dominate God's chosen ones/Temple (Rev 13:7; Matt 24:24,25). This was prophesied to happen in many scriptures.
    Here are some:
    1 Tim 4:1; 2 Thess 2:1-4; Dan 8:11,12,24; 11:36;12:7; Luke 21:24; Matt 24:15,16; Rev 11:2.
    Those prophesies have now come to pass.
    The only deliverance from this final deception of Satan/Great Tribulation, is by means of God and His Spirit (Luke 10:19),
    …channeled (Phil 2:13; 1 Cor 12:6; 2 Pet 1:21; Matt 10:20)
     …through his chosen and faithful prophets (Rev 17:14; 11:3,4; Zech 4:11-14,6,7; Rev 22:6; 1 Cor 4:1)
    Pearl Doxsey
     
    Contrary to what the governing body member proclaimed, the “winning side” to be on, is that of the Spirit of Truth. (John 16:13; 1 John 4:6)
    Although his words will not come to pass, his lying expressions reveal the conceptual definition of Armageddon, which is the battle of truth against lies. (Joel 3:14; 2 Cor 10:3-5; Rev 12:7,17)
    Satan’s counterfeit “rock” (“mountainlike organization”) has captured God’s anointed priests and true “witnesses”; using convincing demonic expressions, that a ‘manufactured’ organization will bring them salvation. (Isa 43:10; 1 Pet 2:5,9; Col 2:8; Rom 1:25;Rev 13:10,4; 16:13,14; 20:7-9)
     
    The Lord, the King of Israel, says—yes, it is Israel’s Redeemer, the Lord Almighty, who says it—
    I am the First and Last; there is no other God.
    Who else can tell you what is going to happen in the days ahead?
    Let them tell you if they can and prove their power. Let them do as I have done since ancient times.
    Don’t, don’t be afraid. Haven’t I proclaimed from ages past that I would save you? You are my witnesses—is there any other God?
    No! None that I know about!
    There is no other Rock!
    What fools they are who manufacture idols for their gods. Their hopes remain unanswered. They themselves are witnesses that this is so, for their idols neither see nor know. No wonder those who worship them are so ashamed.
    Who but a fool would make his own god—an idol that can help him not one whit!
    The poor, deluded fool feeds on ashes; he is trusting what can never give him any help at all. Yet he cannot bring himself to ask, “Is this thing, this idol that I’m holding in my hand, a lie?”
    I am the one who shows what liars all false prophets are, by causing something else to happen than the things they say. I make wise men give opposite advice to what they should and make them into fools.
    But what My prophets say, I do; when they say Jerusalem will be delivered and the cities of Judah lived in once again—it shall be done! When I speak to the rivers and say, “Be dry!” they shall be dry. When I say of Cyrus, “He is my shepherd,” he will certainly do as I say; and Jerusalem will be rebuilt and the Temple restored, for I have spoken it. Isa 44:6-10,20,25-28 (LB)
     
     
     Example of Armageddon / Great Tribulation / Trinity
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Jehovah's Witnesses demand 25 million from the state - Sweden   
    It sounds like a religious internet competition, and WT is winning.  Religious organization vs. religious organization via the internet; however, both the LDS and 7DA have individually, over twice as many congregants than the WT.  So…even though the organization may “outpace” both those religions on the internet, where has it gotten them in numbers of believers?  My point earlier was that there is presently, no more door-to-door preaching work for individual JWs.  If they want to “preach”, the internet is available for them to do so, as it has been for anyone to do so, for quite a long while.  Unless, there will be no more recording of personal preaching hours now that the organization’s website is “number one”? 
    I admit that the WT’s website , its “cover”, does look appealing.  Yet, if I were to do a search in its online library, would I find consistent teachings about…
    The Body of Christ
    “This generation”
    The “faithful and discreet slave”
    ?
    To name just a few.  No, I wouldn’t.  As a newcomer, I may question why some of the listed sources are cut off from access.  I may question where the book is to be found on the website, that I was interested in reading called, “The Finished Mystery”; since it is mentioned quite frequently in the articles.  I would have noticed that it is praised for its step toward “pure worship”, yet not available to read.  How is it that those two words "pure worship" are connected to a book that has been discarded for its lies?  Contradiction is the norm for the organization.  
    No matter how progressive and appealing the WT appears to be, it doesn’t matter to God and Jesus, if its teachings do not last.  Any spiritual teaching that doesn't last, is a lie.  So, why does the WT praise a lie? John 15:16  Since what the organization's leaders produce, do not last,  according to the book of John, this signifies that its leaders do not “abide” in Christ.  John 15:4,7
    You are so intelligent, JWI.  I am amazed at what you know, but you are giving a comparison of accomplishments to other religions and are forgetting that the entire focus should be on the teachings of Christ.  I see pride in what the WT as an organization has achieved in the technical field, but not in providing pure truth.  It can't, since its leaders are incapable of it, so they manifest what they can do.  With enough money, anyone in this world, can soar to great heights.  
    What is more important?  The advances in technology by the organization, in building endeavors, movie production… or, simply providing “good fruit” - teachings, that remain?   John 15:1,5,6
    Now the whole world had one language and a common speech. 2 As people moved eastward, they found a plain in Shinar and settled there.
    3 They said to each other, “Come, let’s make bricks and bake them thoroughly.” They used brick instead of stone, and tar for mortar. 4 Then they said, “Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves; otherwise we will be scattered over the face of the whole earth.”
    5 But the Lord came down to see the city and the tower the people were building. 6 The Lord said, “If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them. 7 Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other.”
    8 So the Lord scattered them from there over all the earth, and they stopped building the city. 9 That is why it was called Babel—because there the Lord confused the language of the whole world. From there the Lord scattered them over the face of the whole earth.  Gen 11:1-9
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    Witness reacted to 4Jah2me in Jehovah's Witnesses demand 25 million from the state - Sweden   
    Yes the GB have turned themselves into 'super stars' via the internet.  Wow, what a great achievement for them. 
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    Witness got a reaction from 4Jah2me in Jehovah's Witnesses demand 25 million from the state - Sweden   
    It sounds like a religious internet competition, and WT is winning.  Religious organization vs. religious organization via the internet; however, both the LDS and 7DA have individually, over twice as many congregants than the WT.  So…even though the organization may “outpace” both those religions on the internet, where has it gotten them in numbers of believers?  My point earlier was that there is presently, no more door-to-door preaching work for individual JWs.  If they want to “preach”, the internet is available for them to do so, as it has been for anyone to do so, for quite a long while.  Unless, there will be no more recording of personal preaching hours now that the organization’s website is “number one”? 
    I admit that the WT’s website , its “cover”, does look appealing.  Yet, if I were to do a search in its online library, would I find consistent teachings about…
    The Body of Christ
    “This generation”
    The “faithful and discreet slave”
    ?
    To name just a few.  No, I wouldn’t.  As a newcomer, I may question why some of the listed sources are cut off from access.  I may question where the book is to be found on the website, that I was interested in reading called, “The Finished Mystery”; since it is mentioned quite frequently in the articles.  I would have noticed that it is praised for its step toward “pure worship”, yet not available to read.  How is it that those two words "pure worship" are connected to a book that has been discarded for its lies?  Contradiction is the norm for the organization.  
    No matter how progressive and appealing the WT appears to be, it doesn’t matter to God and Jesus, if its teachings do not last.  Any spiritual teaching that doesn't last, is a lie.  So, why does the WT praise a lie? John 15:16  Since what the organization's leaders produce, do not last,  according to the book of John, this signifies that its leaders do not “abide” in Christ.  John 15:4,7
    You are so intelligent, JWI.  I am amazed at what you know, but you are giving a comparison of accomplishments to other religions and are forgetting that the entire focus should be on the teachings of Christ.  I see pride in what the WT as an organization has achieved in the technical field, but not in providing pure truth.  It can't, since its leaders are incapable of it, so they manifest what they can do.  With enough money, anyone in this world, can soar to great heights.  
    What is more important?  The advances in technology by the organization, in building endeavors, movie production… or, simply providing “good fruit” - teachings, that remain?   John 15:1,5,6
    Now the whole world had one language and a common speech. 2 As people moved eastward, they found a plain in Shinar and settled there.
    3 They said to each other, “Come, let’s make bricks and bake them thoroughly.” They used brick instead of stone, and tar for mortar. 4 Then they said, “Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves; otherwise we will be scattered over the face of the whole earth.”
    5 But the Lord came down to see the city and the tower the people were building. 6 The Lord said, “If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them. 7 Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other.”
    8 So the Lord scattered them from there over all the earth, and they stopped building the city. 9 That is why it was called Babel—because there the Lord confused the language of the whole world. From there the Lord scattered them over the face of the whole earth.  Gen 11:1-9
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Jehovah's Witnesses demand 25 million from the state - Sweden   
    The uniqueness of JWs’ form of preaching door to door, has come to a halt; even though the organization has stated that nothing would stop them from actively preaching, not even crocodile-infested waters.   Many had put faith in that proclamation.  But now, JWs are using computers to reach people, in the same way those who are not JWs, are doing.  I remember resident Tom scoffing at the idea of preaching and reaching people in this manner.  I also remember quoting Zech 4:6 and it was down voted by someone, which totally baffled me.  How could anyone downplay the power of God’s Spirit to see His will accomplished?   
     The identity of truth, and those who desire it, are under the guidance of the Father and the Son, through the Holy Spirit. (John 6:37; 14:6; 15:26) The identity of falsehoods, and what necessary evils are needed to spread them, are under the guidance of the evil one.  To create the discrepancy between both “preaching” efforts, requires Satan to magnify not only the lie, but the manner in which it is spread. (Matt 7:15,22; 24:24)   It becomes “lust” of the eyes – settling into the heart as a wicked desire.    Luke 6:45
     Whereas truth is pure, not needing regulations, rules and ‘tampering’, to make it palatable by men, to spread it. (James 1:17; Col 2:8, 20-23) The only effort needed, is the love of truth. It does not need massive visual aids to convince the hearer, that it is truth.  It doesn’t need the corporate legal watchdog to preserve it.   Along with Satan’s spiritual influence, his lies rely on large sums money to produce them, and defend them; lies that “tickles the ears” of one lusting after, the desire of the eyes.  (1 John 2:16; 2 Tim 4:3)
     God’s Truth reaches the hearer by Holy Spirit, through Jesus, his teachings, and those who speak it. (John 13:20; 2 Cor 1:12,20)   That is all one needs to not only live by truth, but by preaching it.  If it takes massive efforts to grab money and hold onto it, all to maintain an organization and its visual effects, it is not the source of truth!  It is a powerful deception. 2 Thess 2:9-12
    Right now, JWs will either stubbornly uphold their organization with its belly full of “iniquities”; or they will leave it behind and either follow Christ, or perhaps their own desires, just to get away from the regulations and falsehoods of an idol.  Rom 1:25; Rev 13:4;18:4,5
    God’s “Temple” of truth, is not an organization that produces lies. (how can any JW refute his or her's organization's falsehoods?)  There are anointed “living stones” of that Temple who speak truth, and do not demand money to provide it. (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22)(Matt 10:8; 1 Cor 2:12)  There is absolutely nothing in Christ’s teachings that says we need to adhere to an earthly organization, stationed in the world where exploitation thrives...to receive salvation. (James 3:13-16; Phil 3:18,19)
     
    “The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by human hands. 25 And He is not served by human hands, as if he needed anything. Rather, he himself gives everyone life and breath and everything else. 26 From one man he made all the nations, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he marked out their appointed times in history and the boundaries of their lands. 27 God did this so that they would seek Him and perhaps reach out for Him and find him, though he is not far from any one of us. 28 ‘For in Him we live and move and have our being.” Acts 17:24-28
     
    “Now listen, you rich people, weep and wail because of the misery that is coming on you. 2 Your wealth has rotted, and moths have eaten your clothes. 3 Your gold and silver are corroded. Their corrosion will testify against you and eat your flesh like fire. You have hoarded wealth in the last days. 4 Look! The wages you failed to pay the workers who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord Almighty. 5 You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves in the day of slaughter. 6 You have condemned and murdered the innocent one, who was not opposing you.
     My brothers and sisters, if one of you should wander from the truth and someone should bring that person back, 20 remember this: Whoever turns a sinner from the error of their way will save them from death and cover over a multitude of sins.”    James 5:1-6,19,20
     
    One day Peter and John were going up to the temple at the time of prayer—at three in the afternoon. 2 Now a man who was lame from birth was being carried to the temple gate called Beautiful, where he was put every day to beg from those going into the temple courts. 3 When he saw Peter and John about to enter, he asked them for money. 4 Peter looked straight at him, as did John. Then Peter said, “Look at us!” 5 So the man gave them his attention, expecting to get something from them.
    6 Then Peter said, “Silver or gold I do not have, but what I do have I give you. In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, walk.”  Acts 3:1-6
     
    “He has made it clear to you, mortal man, what is good and what the Lord is requiring from you— to act with justice, to treasure the Lord’s gracious love, and to walk humbly in the company of your God.”  Micah 6:8
    Matt 6:19,20
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from 4Jah2me in Jehovah's Witnesses demand 25 million from the state - Sweden   
    The uniqueness of JWs’ form of preaching door to door, has come to a halt; even though the organization has stated that nothing would stop them from actively preaching, not even crocodile-infested waters.   Many had put faith in that proclamation.  But now, JWs are using computers to reach people, in the same way those who are not JWs, are doing.  I remember resident Tom scoffing at the idea of preaching and reaching people in this manner.  I also remember quoting Zech 4:6 and it was down voted by someone, which totally baffled me.  How could anyone downplay the power of God’s Spirit to see His will accomplished?   
     The identity of truth, and those who desire it, are under the guidance of the Father and the Son, through the Holy Spirit. (John 6:37; 14:6; 15:26) The identity of falsehoods, and what necessary evils are needed to spread them, are under the guidance of the evil one.  To create the discrepancy between both “preaching” efforts, requires Satan to magnify not only the lie, but the manner in which it is spread. (Matt 7:15,22; 24:24)   It becomes “lust” of the eyes – settling into the heart as a wicked desire.    Luke 6:45
     Whereas truth is pure, not needing regulations, rules and ‘tampering’, to make it palatable by men, to spread it. (James 1:17; Col 2:8, 20-23) The only effort needed, is the love of truth. It does not need massive visual aids to convince the hearer, that it is truth.  It doesn’t need the corporate legal watchdog to preserve it.   Along with Satan’s spiritual influence, his lies rely on large sums money to produce them, and defend them; lies that “tickles the ears” of one lusting after, the desire of the eyes.  (1 John 2:16; 2 Tim 4:3)
     God’s Truth reaches the hearer by Holy Spirit, through Jesus, his teachings, and those who speak it. (John 13:20; 2 Cor 1:12,20)   That is all one needs to not only live by truth, but by preaching it.  If it takes massive efforts to grab money and hold onto it, all to maintain an organization and its visual effects, it is not the source of truth!  It is a powerful deception. 2 Thess 2:9-12
    Right now, JWs will either stubbornly uphold their organization with its belly full of “iniquities”; or they will leave it behind and either follow Christ, or perhaps their own desires, just to get away from the regulations and falsehoods of an idol.  Rom 1:25; Rev 13:4;18:4,5
    God’s “Temple” of truth, is not an organization that produces lies. (how can any JW refute his or her's organization's falsehoods?)  There are anointed “living stones” of that Temple who speak truth, and do not demand money to provide it. (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22)(Matt 10:8; 1 Cor 2:12)  There is absolutely nothing in Christ’s teachings that says we need to adhere to an earthly organization, stationed in the world where exploitation thrives...to receive salvation. (James 3:13-16; Phil 3:18,19)
     
    “The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by human hands. 25 And He is not served by human hands, as if he needed anything. Rather, he himself gives everyone life and breath and everything else. 26 From one man he made all the nations, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he marked out their appointed times in history and the boundaries of their lands. 27 God did this so that they would seek Him and perhaps reach out for Him and find him, though he is not far from any one of us. 28 ‘For in Him we live and move and have our being.” Acts 17:24-28
     
    “Now listen, you rich people, weep and wail because of the misery that is coming on you. 2 Your wealth has rotted, and moths have eaten your clothes. 3 Your gold and silver are corroded. Their corrosion will testify against you and eat your flesh like fire. You have hoarded wealth in the last days. 4 Look! The wages you failed to pay the workers who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord Almighty. 5 You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves in the day of slaughter. 6 You have condemned and murdered the innocent one, who was not opposing you.
     My brothers and sisters, if one of you should wander from the truth and someone should bring that person back, 20 remember this: Whoever turns a sinner from the error of their way will save them from death and cover over a multitude of sins.”    James 5:1-6,19,20
     
    One day Peter and John were going up to the temple at the time of prayer—at three in the afternoon. 2 Now a man who was lame from birth was being carried to the temple gate called Beautiful, where he was put every day to beg from those going into the temple courts. 3 When he saw Peter and John about to enter, he asked them for money. 4 Peter looked straight at him, as did John. Then Peter said, “Look at us!” 5 So the man gave them his attention, expecting to get something from them.
    6 Then Peter said, “Silver or gold I do not have, but what I do have I give you. In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, walk.”  Acts 3:1-6
     
    “He has made it clear to you, mortal man, what is good and what the Lord is requiring from you— to act with justice, to treasure the Lord’s gracious love, and to walk humbly in the company of your God.”  Micah 6:8
    Matt 6:19,20
     
     
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    Witness reacted to 4Jah2me in Jehovah's Witnesses demand 25 million from the state - Sweden   
    It was and still is all about control of people. It was about the leaders giving orders and the congregants obeying without question. 
    That can clearly be seen when proper research is done about the late 1960's and early 1970's, when people sold their houses and possessions and moved into tiny accommodation, just following instructions from their leaders in the Org. Many people were in big trouble financially when Armageddon didn't happen. 
    If they were not hung up on money they wouldn't be closing so many Kingdom Halls, Halls that were built on 'free labour' volunteers, just to sell for profit. And they wouldn't have real estate offices in different countries either. 
    Keep the people poor, keep the leaders rich. keep control. No different to worldly governments really. 
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    Witness reacted to 4Jah2me in Jehovah's Witnesses demand 25 million from the state - Sweden   
    If 'spiritual food' is falling from heaven it is no where near the CCJW or Watchtower orgs that's for sure. And the GB admit to not being inspired so the spiritual food is no where near them either. 
    As regards money, i used to find it funny when the meetings were all about 'simplify your life',  'work less hours',  'no need for a decent education', do a part time manual labouring job,  BUT the Org still wanted donations every week and people still needed cars to get to meetings and were expected to drive around picking up other people that didn't have transport. And as more Kingdom Halls closed people had to drive even further and now, as @Arauna says, people need computers and internet and mobile phones / cell phones. All JWs are expected to have these things. But remember, keep your life simple  . 
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Jehovah's Witnesses demand 25 million from the state - Sweden   
    In a "real word" people should be careful and have critical thinking about "food" placed/offered by their leaders. Leaders in WTJWorg are not completely honest in their intentions and plans. Their theological doctrines and other maneuvers in the “real world,” past and present, are proof that they cannot be trusted.
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    Witness reacted to lentaylor71 in Jehovah's Witnesses demand 25 million from the state - Sweden   
    Its all about Money,Money!
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    Witness got a reaction from 4Jah2me in Jehovah's Witnesses demand 25 million from the state - Sweden   
    Again, I am not singling you out, but just your words, "unrighteous riches".  I wonder, do these riches become "righteous" if used for "Jehovah's organization"?  
    I also wonder why the WT even refers to the use of “unrighteous riches”, since the parable reveals that the “manager” who is “shrewd” with “unrighteous riches” is called a “dishonest manager”.    (Luke 16:1-13)
     “And the Master praised the dishonest manager, because he had acted shrewdly. For the sons of this age are shrewder than the sons of light, with regard to their own generation.”  (Luke 16:8)
    Do we compare the GB to the “manager” in this parable, or one of the “sons of light”?  They are the GB, after all, managers of an organization.  And, they have also placed themselves above all anointed ones, as stewards/managers over God’s household.  Yet they reject any spiritual “riches”/food from God's priests, that they “owe” the Master (Luke 16:5); which certainly would not be considered “unrighteous” if they were to listen and obey Christ.   
    It appears that the GB prefer “unrighteous riches”, both in the terms of money, and in the terms of their own selfish lust for power over Jesus’ servants. They have, without Christ’s approval canceled out any spiritual dept the anointed each must “pay” to the Master upon his return. (Luke 17:10)  How? By teaching that a “faithful steward” over God’s household,  is the only source of spiritual food.   You see?  The anointed are not allowed to offer their personal spiritual food, which is their obligation to the Master.  Instead, they are beaten back from doing so, by the presence of the elder body who have the authority to keep them quiet and apart from one another – which benefits who?   JWs?  Not in the least.  They have no clue what “truth” may have been revealed by the cohesiveness of the anointed Body working together under Christ and his Spirit.   (1 John 2:27; 1 Cor 12:11,25)
    Cancelling out the debt the anointed have toward their Master benefits those in power, both the GB and the elders.   It preserves their authority over all God’s priests, and every JW.   (1 Cor 4:8; Mark 10:42-44)
    The “sons of light” though, would be focused only on the Kingdom, and not on the riches and burdens of “organization”, or the riches of holding power over another.   (1 Thess 5:5)   Their only motivation would be on heavenly things, on doing God’s will in the manner of “sacrifices of praise”.    You see, the sons of light are not as “shrewd” as the dishonest manager, who knows all about “unrighteous riches”.
    “If then you were raised with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ is, sitting at the right hand of God. 2 Set your mind on things above, not on things on the earth.”  Col 3:1,2 
    That’s pretty hard for the GB to accomplish when they are immersed with “things on the earth”, chasing after money, muscling their way to the forefront  to receive the same riches another religious organization may receive; and then squandering it away instead of helping victims of abuse, abuse resulting from poor “management”.  They challenge the court systems, they challenge the victims.  They are so far from practicing God’s righteousness, it is sickening. 
    Because the Master praises the dishonest man for his use of “unrighteous riches”, does this mean he’s safe with God? 
    “And I tell you, make friends for yourselves by means of unrighteous riches, so that when it runs out they will welcome you into the eternal dwellings.”
     If the GB were ever to humble themselves before their anointed brothers and sisters, and “make friends” with the Body of Christ by allowing them to bond under Christ;
    by allowing the anointed to be independent and free to listen to their Master;
    to offer their priestly sacrifices as expected of them; (1 Pet 2:5,9)
    by realizing they are all equal before God, and treating them as such;
    then those who are “sons of light” would then recognize what a true honest steward would do for the spiritual house of God.  (Eph 2:20-22) And under those circumstances, just maybe, if the GB were to lose all riches, both monetary and that of recognition of power and authority, the “sons of light”, sons of the Kingdom, would receive them into the “eternal dwellings”. 
    But these men do not have a humble bone in their body.  Jesus gave us parables that address the situation with the anointed today, because he knew what God’s priests would face in the last days, under the rule of a wicked steward.  (Matt 24:48-51)
     
     

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    Witness got a reaction from 4Jah2me in Jehovah's Witnesses demand 25 million from the state - Sweden   
    Why is all of this okay with JWs? 
    7 For we have brought nothing into the world, so that neither can we bring anything out. 8 But if we have food and clothing, with these things we will be content. 9 But those who want to be rich fall into temptation and a trap and many foolish and harmful desires, which plunge those people into ruin and destruction. 10 For the love of money is a root of all evil, by which some, because they desire it, have gone astray from the faith and have pierced themselves with many pains.
    But you, O man of God, flee from these things, and pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patient endurance, gentleness."
    Command those who are rich in this present age not to be proud and not to put their hope in the uncertainty of riches, but in God, who provides us all things richly for enjoyment, 18 to do good, to be rich in good works, to be generous, sharing freely, 19 storing up for themselves a good foundation for the future, in order that they may take hold of what is truly life."  (1 Tim 6)
    The foundation we store up for the future has nothing to do with money! It has nothing to do with building huge complex communities, or procuring power over others.  (Matt 6:20; Phil 3:18,19)
    From one month, maybe from one day, to the next, the WT pursues riches, to pursue its desires;  and JWs fork it over. 
    This isn't how one follows in the footsteps of Christ.  
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Jehovah's Witnesses demand 25 million from the state - Sweden   
    Again, I am not singling you out, but just your words, "unrighteous riches".  I wonder, do these riches become "righteous" if used for "Jehovah's organization"?  
    I also wonder why the WT even refers to the use of “unrighteous riches”, since the parable reveals that the “manager” who is “shrewd” with “unrighteous riches” is called a “dishonest manager”.    (Luke 16:1-13)
     “And the Master praised the dishonest manager, because he had acted shrewdly. For the sons of this age are shrewder than the sons of light, with regard to their own generation.”  (Luke 16:8)
    Do we compare the GB to the “manager” in this parable, or one of the “sons of light”?  They are the GB, after all, managers of an organization.  And, they have also placed themselves above all anointed ones, as stewards/managers over God’s household.  Yet they reject any spiritual “riches”/food from God's priests, that they “owe” the Master (Luke 16:5); which certainly would not be considered “unrighteous” if they were to listen and obey Christ.   
    It appears that the GB prefer “unrighteous riches”, both in the terms of money, and in the terms of their own selfish lust for power over Jesus’ servants. They have, without Christ’s approval canceled out any spiritual dept the anointed each must “pay” to the Master upon his return. (Luke 17:10)  How? By teaching that a “faithful steward” over God’s household,  is the only source of spiritual food.   You see?  The anointed are not allowed to offer their personal spiritual food, which is their obligation to the Master.  Instead, they are beaten back from doing so, by the presence of the elder body who have the authority to keep them quiet and apart from one another – which benefits who?   JWs?  Not in the least.  They have no clue what “truth” may have been revealed by the cohesiveness of the anointed Body working together under Christ and his Spirit.   (1 John 2:27; 1 Cor 12:11,25)
    Cancelling out the debt the anointed have toward their Master benefits those in power, both the GB and the elders.   It preserves their authority over all God’s priests, and every JW.   (1 Cor 4:8; Mark 10:42-44)
    The “sons of light” though, would be focused only on the Kingdom, and not on the riches and burdens of “organization”, or the riches of holding power over another.   (1 Thess 5:5)   Their only motivation would be on heavenly things, on doing God’s will in the manner of “sacrifices of praise”.    You see, the sons of light are not as “shrewd” as the dishonest manager, who knows all about “unrighteous riches”.
    “If then you were raised with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ is, sitting at the right hand of God. 2 Set your mind on things above, not on things on the earth.”  Col 3:1,2 
    That’s pretty hard for the GB to accomplish when they are immersed with “things on the earth”, chasing after money, muscling their way to the forefront  to receive the same riches another religious organization may receive; and then squandering it away instead of helping victims of abuse, abuse resulting from poor “management”.  They challenge the court systems, they challenge the victims.  They are so far from practicing God’s righteousness, it is sickening. 
    Because the Master praises the dishonest man for his use of “unrighteous riches”, does this mean he’s safe with God? 
    “And I tell you, make friends for yourselves by means of unrighteous riches, so that when it runs out they will welcome you into the eternal dwellings.”
     If the GB were ever to humble themselves before their anointed brothers and sisters, and “make friends” with the Body of Christ by allowing them to bond under Christ;
    by allowing the anointed to be independent and free to listen to their Master;
    to offer their priestly sacrifices as expected of them; (1 Pet 2:5,9)
    by realizing they are all equal before God, and treating them as such;
    then those who are “sons of light” would then recognize what a true honest steward would do for the spiritual house of God.  (Eph 2:20-22) And under those circumstances, just maybe, if the GB were to lose all riches, both monetary and that of recognition of power and authority, the “sons of light”, sons of the Kingdom, would receive them into the “eternal dwellings”. 
    But these men do not have a humble bone in their body.  Jesus gave us parables that address the situation with the anointed today, because he knew what God’s priests would face in the last days, under the rule of a wicked steward.  (Matt 24:48-51)
     
     

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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Jehovah's Witnesses demand 25 million from the state - Sweden   
    Why is all of this okay with JWs? 
    7 For we have brought nothing into the world, so that neither can we bring anything out. 8 But if we have food and clothing, with these things we will be content. 9 But those who want to be rich fall into temptation and a trap and many foolish and harmful desires, which plunge those people into ruin and destruction. 10 For the love of money is a root of all evil, by which some, because they desire it, have gone astray from the faith and have pierced themselves with many pains.
    But you, O man of God, flee from these things, and pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patient endurance, gentleness."
    Command those who are rich in this present age not to be proud and not to put their hope in the uncertainty of riches, but in God, who provides us all things richly for enjoyment, 18 to do good, to be rich in good works, to be generous, sharing freely, 19 storing up for themselves a good foundation for the future, in order that they may take hold of what is truly life."  (1 Tim 6)
    The foundation we store up for the future has nothing to do with money! It has nothing to do with building huge complex communities, or procuring power over others.  (Matt 6:20; Phil 3:18,19)
    From one month, maybe from one day, to the next, the WT pursues riches, to pursue its desires;  and JWs fork it over. 
    This isn't how one follows in the footsteps of Christ.  
     
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    Witness got a reaction from 4Jah2me in Jehovah's Witnesses demand 25 million from the state - Sweden   
    No, you don’t have to explain anything; although you’ve just cemented the fact that no Holy Spirit is needed to run the WT.  It only needs people.  And money.  Just like all the other “worldly” religious organizations, right?
     
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    Witness got a reaction from 4Jah2me in Jehovah's Witnesses demand 25 million from the state - Sweden   
    Does God, who supposedly guides this organization need any monetary rectification or equality with other religions?  Or, is it men who demand rectification and equality?    
    When did Christ’s kingdom become part of the world? 
     “My kingdom doesn’t belong to this world. If my kingdom belonged to this world, my followers would fight to keep me from being handed over to the Jews. My kingdom doesn’t have its origin on earth.”  John 18:36
    The “followers” of the organization which has its origin on earth, fight for the organization - on all levels.  They are not fighting for Christ, who has no interest in material possessions, including money.  So, why is this fight by “Jehovah’s organization”, for worldly funds from a government, a positive action?  JWs will reason that its rights as an organization must be upheld.  That’s fine, for an organization in the world.  But Christ and the Father cannot be linked to the world, no matter what the GB might tell their "sheep".  
    “Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him, 16 because everything that is in the world—the desire of the flesh and the desire of the eyes and the arrogance of material possessions—is not from the Father, but is from the world. 17 And the world is passing away, and its desire, but the one who does the will of God remains forever.”  1 John 2:15-17
    To the WT organization, money carries more clout than Holy Spirit.  
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Jehovah's Witnesses demand 25 million from the state - Sweden   
    No, you don’t have to explain anything; although you’ve just cemented the fact that no Holy Spirit is needed to run the WT.  It only needs people.  And money.  Just like all the other “worldly” religious organizations, right?
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Jehovah's Witnesses demand 25 million from the state - Sweden   
    Does God, who supposedly guides this organization need any monetary rectification or equality with other religions?  Or, is it men who demand rectification and equality?    
    When did Christ’s kingdom become part of the world? 
     “My kingdom doesn’t belong to this world. If my kingdom belonged to this world, my followers would fight to keep me from being handed over to the Jews. My kingdom doesn’t have its origin on earth.”  John 18:36
    The “followers” of the organization which has its origin on earth, fight for the organization - on all levels.  They are not fighting for Christ, who has no interest in material possessions, including money.  So, why is this fight by “Jehovah’s organization”, for worldly funds from a government, a positive action?  JWs will reason that its rights as an organization must be upheld.  That’s fine, for an organization in the world.  But Christ and the Father cannot be linked to the world, no matter what the GB might tell their "sheep".  
    “Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him, 16 because everything that is in the world—the desire of the flesh and the desire of the eyes and the arrogance of material possessions—is not from the Father, but is from the world. 17 And the world is passing away, and its desire, but the one who does the will of God remains forever.”  1 John 2:15-17
    To the WT organization, money carries more clout than Holy Spirit.  
     
     
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