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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Bro Rando is a rogue jw, which jw's here believe in him?   
    On your website:
    3487 hits for “Jehovah’s organization” in the same paragraph
    21 results for “spirit-directed organization”
    312 results for “Jehovah’s earthly organization”
    84 results for “loyalty to Jehovah’s organization
    12 results for “mountainlike organization”
    I didn’t pursue “dedication to Jehovah’s organization”, “obey Jehovah’s organization”, or all the various combinations of the words.
    What are they adding up to?  idolatry
    Can any of you tell me where God’s word condones loyalty, worship, dedication, obedience to ANYTHING, whether a philosophy or a physical entity, other than the Father and His word in His Son?  The apostles set a foundation of a “building” being built on truth – Jesus Christ.  Did they tell lies?  Did they make false predictions?  Or, did they warn against making false predictions?  2 Thess 2:1,2   Do God’s words given to Moses, not have any validity anymore?  Deut. 18:20-22
    Since we have proof that your organization has told lies, did God who spoke those words in Deut. 18 to Moses, build your organization, or did men?  Why would God bless an organization that contradicts the words of truth, established within the foundation of His spiritual Temple? (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16; Eph 2:20-22)   ANYONE, who puts down the Harlot’s wine, rejecting your leadership’s teachings, sobers up to the hypocrisy that flourishes in the Wt. (Rev 17:1,2; [Rev 1:5]; Rev 13:17;16:13; 1 Tim 4:1) Some who truly desire to know the Truth presented by Jesus Christ, reject your organization once they realize it is built on falsehoods.  This is why people who have left, will not quit speaking against the Wt, until Jesus returns to destroy it with the breath of his mouth – to condemn it using the Word of God.  (2 Thess 2: 9,10,8; Jer 23:29; Rev 12:7-9)
    And…this is why anointed who have been “killed” by the wicked slave, will not quit speaking their testimony of Christ.  (Matt 24:48-51; Rev 13:15; 11:1-4,7; 12:11) The only way they can hope to retrieve any of you and their loved ones, or the anointed under your rule @xero  - as you are, or were, part of the man of lawlessness/elder body sitting in the Temple of God - is to sound the trumpet to get out of the “beloved organization”.  (Matt 24:15,16; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2; 14:6-12; Rev 18:4-8)  The anointed are trampled down in that corrupt haven – a “god of fortresses” or “forces”. Elders are to be viewed as a shelter, and sources of strength and protection in times of need, the definitions of “forces”.   The organization is your stronghold and place of refuge against the world.  If that is not an idol, tell me what is.  Dan 11:38
    “Then the king shall do according to his own will: he shall exalt and magnify himself above every god, shall speak blasphemies against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the wrath has been accomplished; for what has been determined shall be done.” Dan 11:36
    You have already done this, by slandering the anointed “gods” (spirit sons of God) in comments made here on this forum. You, as a fake "priest" have exalted the organization over God’s Temple/Zion (Ezek 44:6-9) You do realize that most likely anointed could come through here to read.  I hope by your comments, they see the connection of the man of lawlessness/elder body/organization ruling and blaspheming the sanctuary/Temple of God.  1 Cor 3:16, 17; Rev 13:5-7.
    Any rival against God and what He builds, does not last. (Rev 13:4; 8:8; Zech 4:7) Any idol worshiped by God’s people, never brought salvation to them.  Their fall into idolatry only gained them affliction, famine, pestilence and destruction.    (Rev 18:8; 19:20)
    Zech 7:3-6 - Then the word of the Lord Almighty came to me: 5 “Ask all the people of the land and the priests (1 Pet 2:5,9),  ‘When you fasted and mourned in the fifth and seventh months for the past seventy years, was it really for me that you fasted? 6 And when you were eating and drinking, were you not just feasting for yourselves? 
    Exod 20: 3-6 – You shall have no other gods before Me.
    4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 5 you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. “
    The organization mimics other organizations built “in the earth beneath”.  It is served, and bowed down to, by dedication at baptism.   (2 Cor 11:4,20; Rev 13:4,16)
    “For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.”
    Can any of you truly say you love God, while condoning the trampling down of the members of the body of His Son?  Hypocrisy, which is shown by the exaltation of the elder body over the anointed ones of God's Temple/dwelling in spirit.  Mark 13:14
    He's not jealous for the “mountainlike organization” that men have built, but only for Mountain that He built on the anointed body of Christ. (John 2:19-21) The organization has no part in building Mount Zion, as its demonic purpose is to destroy it by seducing God’s anointed “living stones” to worship an idol. (Rev 12:1-4,15)  Only by the spirit of God in His Son, will it reach completion outside of the organization.  (Rev 16:12; Zech 4:7,13,14)
    2 This is what the Lord Almighty says: “I am very jealous for Zion; I am burning with jealousy for her.” This is what the Lord says: “I will return to Zion and dwell in Jerusalem. Then Jerusalem will be called the Faithful City, and the mountain of the Lord Almighty will be called the Holy Mountain.”  Zech 8:2
    Rev 21:10
    People will make their choice, as you have, to either love the organization, or choose to love and give total devotion to God and Christ and his Truth.  You can’t love both, and expect to please God.  Matt 6:24; Joel 3:14
    I once did fall for propaganda, that the organization belonged to God.  As can be seen by xero's comment, forgetting about God's Word is easy to do, when putting the organization and men's doctrine on a pedestal.   Who is the "idiot" (said by xero), the one who chooses to serve the Father and the Son in "spirit and truth", (John 4:23,24) or the one who serves an organization, the work of man's hands, and  an idol of "men's devising"?  Acts 17:24,25,29
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    Witness got a reaction from Pudgy in Bro Rando is a rogue jw, which jw's here believe in him?   
    Really!  Well, like the JW mentioned on reddit that an elder told him, 'forget about the Bible, how do you feel about Jehovah's organization?'  That "worship" is paramount, as well as "worship" given to the eight.  
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    Witness got a reaction from Pudgy in George Benson in Concert - Cardiff, UK   
    Apparently you haven't met JWs who are barely scraping by because they don't have pensions - house cleaners, window washers, doing handyman work, childcare; which also goes for a good amount of people within the population.  I knew of a woman who never had a career, only that of special pioneering when younger. After that, she became a house cleaner and not with a company, which means no chance of receiving a pension.  She was much older than I, and I wondered and even fretted over how she would survive in her old age, since any family was gone.   I have seen teachers barely survive on pensions that only covered necessities and bills to remain in a house.  
    I doubt these people have pensions...

     
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    Witness got a reaction from Arauna in “Yahweh” or “Jehovah”?   
    You mean, like cart witnessing; where you stand still, read the cell phone, and do not respond in depth to any asking serious thought-provoking questions from anybody, but direct them to the endless depth of misunderstanding at jw org?  You gotta agree, that's a pretty easy hobby. 🙂
    "Let your faithful love come to me, Lord,
    your salvation, as you promised.
    42 Then I can answer the one who taunts me,
    for I trust in your word.
    43 Never take the word of truth from my mouth,
    for I hope in your judgments.
    44 I will always obey your instruction,
    forever and ever.
    45 I will walk freely in an open place
    because I study your precepts.
    46 I will speak of your decrees before kings
    and not be ashamed. - (you know, those "kings" who live at 1 Kings Drive in Tuxedo, New York?)
    47 I delight in your commands,
    which I love.
    48 I will lift up my hands to your commands,
    which I love,
    and will meditate on your statutes.
    Remember your word to your servant;
    you have given me hope through it.
    50 This is my comfort in my affliction:
    Your promise has given me life.
    51 The arrogant constantly ridicule me,
    but I do not turn away from your instruction.
    52 Lord, I remember your judgments from long ago
    and find comfort.
    53 Fury seizes me because of the wicked
    who reject your instruction.
    54 Your statutes are the theme of my song
    during my earthly life.
    Lord, I remember your name in the night,
    and I obey your instruction.
    56 This is my practice:
    I obey your precepts."  Ps 119
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in “Yahweh” or “Jehovah”?   
    I'm sharing a quote from someone I have not been acquainted with.  She may or may not have been a JW. 
    There was a moment when Moses had the nerve to ask God what his name is. God was gracious enough to answer, and the name he gave is recorded in the original Hebrew as YHWH. 
    Over time we’ve arbitrarily added an “a” and an “e” in there to get YaHWeH, presumably because we have a preference for vowels.
    But scholars and Rabi’s have noted that the letters YHWH represent breathing sounds, or aspirated consonants. When pronounced without intervening vowels, it actually sounds like breathing.
    YH (inhale): WH (exhale).
    So a baby’s first cry, his first breath, speaks the name of God.
    A deep sigh calls His name – or a groan or gasp that is too heavy for mere words.
    Even an atheist would speak His name, unaware that their very breath is giving constant acknowledgment to God.
    Likewise, a person leaves this earth with their last breath, when God’s name is no longer filing their lungs.
    So when I can’t utter anything else, is my cry calling out His name?
    Being alive means I speak His name constantly.
    So, is it heard the loudest when I’m the quietest?
    In sadness, we breathe heavy sighs.
    In joy, our lungs feel almost like they will burst.
    In fear we hold our breath and have to be told to breathe slowly to help us calm down.
    When we’re about to do something hard, we take a deep breath to find our courage.
    When I think about it, breathing is giving him praise. Even in the hardest moments!
    This is so beautiful and fills me with emotion every time I grasp the thought. God chose to give himself a name that we can’t help but speak every moment we’re alive.
    All of us, always, everywhere.
    Waking, sleeping, breathing, with the name of God on our lips.
    written by - Sandra Thurman Caporale
     
    "So a baby’s first cry, his first breath, speaks the name of God."
    But then, we have the wisdom from the lips of your highly admired Governing Body member, Stephen Lett, who stated at the recent convention, that babies are born as enemies of God.  He said,
    “You hear people say of a little baby, ‘look at that little angel’, but more accurate would be to say, ‘look at that little enemy of God’”.
    God was incensed at the sacrificing of children in the fire by worshippers of Baal.  To His people, He said,
    “Say, ‘Hear the word of the Lord, kings of Judah and residents of Jerusalem. This is what the Lord of Armies, the God of Israel, says: I am going to bring such a disaster on this place that everyone who hears about it will shudder 
    4 “because they have abandoned me and made this a foreign place. They have burned incense in it to other gods that they, their ancestors, and the kings of Judah have never known.
     They have filled this place with the blood of the innocent. 
    5 They have built high places to Baal on which to burn their children in the fire as burnt offerings to Baal, something I have never commanded or mentioned; I never entertained the thought.”  Jer 19
    God’s word is “like fire”, (Jer 23:29) Satan’s word, the lying doctrine of men, is also like fire. It can consume and crush the word of God in our hearts and minds.  (Luke 8:11-14; Rev 13:11,13; Matt 24:24,25)
    Think, JWs; you, who believe that every living being outside of your “foreign place” is an enemy of God…tell me, who is the primary enemy of God?  It is Satan, who treats all people, all life, as his enemies, since he wants to destroy...just as you do; and just as easily as Stephen Lett made the declaration that all babies are enemies of God.  If this man was truly an ambassador of Christ, never would such a statement come out of his mouth.  We have the account of Jesus interacting with men, women and children. After reading his words, did any of you come away with the thought that Jesus viewed babies as his enemies?
    Matt 19:14 - Jesus said, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these.”
    On this forum are JWs who love to target exjws as ready for their burning hell; and supposedly you don’t even believe in a burning hell. They represent millions of JWs with the same belief.  You live in an organization that destroys families through disfellowshipping, destroys any possible love through that very act, that neglects the plea of a victim of abuse, yet supports the abuser; and you and your leaders revel in the promise of an Armageddon of bloodshed. Aside from the fact that you believe lies spoken by your leadership, are not really lies!  
    What’s next?  Baby baptism to save those little enemies from destruction in Armageddon?  Babies, born of your own people?  Babies, that must be indoctrinated and “sacrificed” to a god, the organization, and a “foreign place” never to have appeared in the history of God’s people until now?
    “Je hovah”, a god of ruin and destruction.
    YHVH/YHWH – “He causes to become”
    If your leaders revered the God of life, and His Son who is life, they would never have resorted to the “custom” of the nations by adopting the name, “Jehovah” to represent the true, Almighty Father and Giver of live.
    Daniel chapter 11 speaks of the Beast that tramples God’s holy saints (Rev 13:5-7)  – taking away their “daily sacrifice” and replacing them with sacrifices uttered from the mouths of false priests/ELDERS.  Sacrifices of praise given to a god of fortresses; your Watchtower organization. (Dan 11:31;8:11; Matt 24:15,16) 
    You are residing in the Wild Beast from the Sea – the “man of lawlessness” that “sits in the temple of God” where it doesn’t belong.  (Rev 13:1,2,5-7,18; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1-3; Mark 13:14)
    “Then the king will do as he pleases and will exalt and magnify himself above every god, and he will speak monstrous things against the God of gods. He will be successful until the time of wrath is completed, for what has been decreed must be accomplished.” Dan 11:36
    (“gods” – the sons of God, the anointed priests.  (s 82:6; John 10:34-36; Gal 3:26; 1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17)
    “And in their place”  (in the place of the Temple/dwelling of God’s spirit, made of “living stones")
    “he will honor a god of fortresses—a god his fathers did not know with gold, silver, precious stones, and riches.” Dan 11:38
    Your donations toward the organization in the form of money, gold, silver, real estate… anything and everything is accepted and expected from each of you, to support the god of fortresses.
    29 “Is not my word like fire”—this is the Lord’s declaration—“and like a hammer that pulverizes rock? 30 Therefore, take note! I am against the prophets”—the Lord’s declaration—“who steal my words from each other. 31 I am against the prophets”—the Lord’s declaration—“who use their own tongues to make a declaration. 32 I am against those who prophesy false dreams”—the Lord’s declaration—“telling them and leading my people astray with their reckless lies. It was not I who sent or commanded them, and they are of no benefit at all to these people”—this is the Lord’s declaration.”  Jer 23
    Through your doctrines of men, you are abandoning the God of life, and have adopted the god of destruction.
    I’m telling all of you, get out of there, before it’s too late. Rev 18:4-8
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in “Yahweh” or “Jehovah”?   
    What does the "Aid to Bible Understanding" say about the name, "Jehovah"; which isn't found in the "Insight" volumes?
     
     
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    Witness reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Patiently Waiting For Truth wants to discuss his take on my post: Searching for the earliest mention of the Israelite god, "Yahweh" (Tetragrammaton) aka "Jehovah" in Modern English   
    Dear, @The Librarian it appears that @Arauna is telling you that this video is twaddle. 
    I do keep saying that it is difficult to know what is truth and what isn't. 
    Oh well, I'll keep using YHWH and you lot can use that false name you love so much. 
    YHWH seems genuine but some here might not even agree with that. 
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    Witness reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Patiently Waiting For Truth wants to discuss his take on my post: Searching for the earliest mention of the Israelite god, "Yahweh" (Tetragrammaton) aka "Jehovah" in Modern English   
    Seriously, I can't make out if you are agreeing, being sarcastic, or calling Egyptians liars. 
    I haven't researched the video to find out how old this video is but I trust @The Librarian to have researched the authenticity of it. 
    @The Librarian mentions in the title "Yahweh" (Tetragrammaton) aka "Jehovah" in Modern English.
    Why do you need a modern name for Almighty God. God who has always existed. God who will always exist. God who's name has such important meaning. 
    Why would you need to change God's original name. In fact WHO would want to change God's original name. The only one that would want to wipe out God's original name is Satan the devil. 
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in The truth about Armageddon...   
    Rev 13:4 - They worshiped the dragon because he gave authority to the beast. And they worshiped the beast, saying,
    “Who is like the beast? Who is able to wage war against it?” 
     So the beast opened his mouth to blaspheme against God—to blaspheme both His name and his dwelling place, that is, those who dwell in heaven. (dwelling place - 1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22)
    7 The beast was permitted to go to war against the saints and conquer them.
    W 02/8/1 - “Representing the royal priesthood are appointed elders, who serve in positions of responsibility in congregations of Jehovah’s people around the earth. These men deserve our respect and wholehearted support, whether they are of the anointed or not.
    Rather than challenge their authority, we truly appreciate our hardworking elders!”
    Revelation continued:   He was given ruling authority over every tribe, people, language, and nation
    W 12/2/1 pp. 8,9 - “With God’s backing, millions from all nations, tribes, and tongues are gathering together to form a harmonious, loving brotherhood.
     8 and all those who live on the earth will worship the beast, everyone whose name has not been written since the foundation of the world in the book of life belonging to the Lamb who was killed.
     9 If anyone has an ear, he had better listen!  Rev 13:6-9
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in The truth about Armageddon...   
    I'm sorry, but you don't get it. 
    If Jesus ever pronounced the tetragrammaton out loud, he would never have said "Jehovah", or
    "Yahovah" or "Yehovah".  Do you really think he would connect the Hebrew word, "hovah" (Strong's 1943) to identify the Father?
    Je/Ye/Ya - God of 
    hovah - disaster/ruin
    All of you do, every time you say it out loud or utter it in your mind. 
    It is easy to speak to the Father, pray to the Father, and address God as Father, as Jesus did.  Obviously it isn't easy for JWs who believe that the literal word "Jehovah" is a talisman of some sort, like an amulet worn around the neck.   "Jehovah" IS NOT the tetragrammaton.  
    This is not how one gets to understand and know God.   Jer 4:22; John 14:8-10
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in The truth about Armageddon...   
    "Jehovah" does not represent the tetragrammaton. It is a fallacy - a MADE UP NAME for your god.  I've already put the same information up about what Jesus' name means in the past.  It doesn't mean the hybrid name "Jehovah".  "Yah", is not the same as "Jehovah".  
     I refuse to acknowledge the name "Jehovah" as the name of the Almighty God and Father.  
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    Witness got a reaction from Peter Carroll in The truth about Armageddon...   
    "Babylon was a gold cup in the LORD’s hand; she made the whole earth drunk. The nations drank her wine; therefore they have now gone mad "  Jer 51:7
    "And the woman you saw is the great city that has royal power over the kings of the earth.”
    Jesus' "kings of the earth" - Rev 1:5
    "The kings of the earth (Rev 1:5) committed sexual immorality with her, and those who live on the earth became drunk on the wine of her sexual immorality.”  Rev 17:2
    You are spiritually "drunk" on the wicked slave/harlot's wine.  I'm very sorry you can't see my point.  
    Then I heard another voice from heaven:
    "Come out of her, my people,
    so that you will not share in her sins
    or receive any of her plagues.
    5 For her sins are piled up to heaven,
    and God has remembered her crimes.
    6 Pay her back the way she also paid,
    and double it according to her works.
    In the cup in which she mixed,
    mix a double portion for her.
    7 As much as she glorified herself and indulged her sensual and excessive ways,
    give her that much torment and grief.
    For she says in her heart,
    “I sit as a queen;
    I am not a widow,
    and I will never see grief.”
    8 For this reason her plagues will come in just one day—
    death and grief and famine.
    She will be burned up with fire,
    because the Lord God who judges her is mighty."  Rev 18:4
    As a review - who do the "kings of the earth" refer to? 
    Are they the world's political leaders?
    Or, are theY Jesus' kings that Revelation is speaking about?
    The clue is here: REV 1:5, and here: REV 18:4
     
     
     
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    Witness reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in The truth about Armageddon...   
    Matthew 5 : 43 - 47 
    Berean Study Bible
    You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor’ and ‘Hate your enemy.’ But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Do not even tax collectors do the same? And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even Gentiles do the same?
    The words of Yeshua tell us to love our enemies and to pray for them. Sometimes it is difficult to follow Christ's words. 
    Have a good day Mr Carroll. 
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    Witness reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in The truth about Armageddon...   
    I love this. It makes clear that the Leaders of the Watchtower are appostates. 
    There is nothing to indicate that these men did not believe in God, in the Bible, in Jesus’ sacrifice. Yet, on this one basic point, what they were teaching 
    Teaching that Armageddon would happen in the 1940's, the 1970's, before the year 2000, 
    Teaching that the rest of the Anointed ones must not gather togeher in prayer or Bible study.
    and much more. 
    Paul rightly branded them as apostates, with whom faithful Christians would not fellowship.
    Thank you Mr Carroll. Have a good day. 
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in The truth about Armageddon...   
    No, I didn't ignore it.  
    “And they went up on the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the fortified camp of the saints and the beloved city, and fire came down from heaven and consumed them.”  Rev 20:9
    Interpreted also as:
    “way across the earth”
    “breadth of the earth”
    “expanse of the earth”
    The anointed are from all nations, tribes and people.  (Rev 5:9,10) As are JWs. Rev 11:3,4,7-10
    Jehovah’s Witnesses are in around 240 lands found over the “breadth of the earth”.  In every congregation where there may be an anointed one, who “takes the lead”?  The anointed one, or the elders?
    “And he (“Jehovah”) wants those in the congregation to obey the elders. Wt 2/2021 pgs 14-19
    “You can thus understand why elders in congregations around the globe earn their fellow Witnesses’ love, respect, and honor.” Wt 17/3/11
    Any anointed in a congregation is “surrounded” by a body of elders who expects their obedience, love, and HONOR; because, they are told to expect it, by a wicked slave.  (Matt 24:48-51)
    The elders rule over the anointed.  Deut 17:15; Rev 9:4,5
    There is no disputing it.  If anointed don’t accept their position, the position of the GB, the existence of the organization as belonging to God, their stance on doctrine, they are disfellowshipped. John 16:2; Rev 13:15
    There is an evil I have seen under the sun,
    As an error proceeding from the ruler:
    6 Folly is set in exalted positions,
    While the rich sit in a lowly place. (Prov 10:22;13:7; 2 Cor 8:9; Eph 1:7)
    7 I have seen servants on horses,
    While princes (Isa 10:8; Rev 5:9,10) walk on the ground like servants.  Eccl 10
    6 Folly is set in exalted positions,
    While the rich sit in a lowly place.
    “Do not let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, 4 who opposes and who exalts himself over every so-called god or object of worship, so that he sits down in the temple of God, proclaiming that he himself is God.” 2 Thess 2:3,4
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in The truth about Armageddon...   
    Nope.  Adam and Eve were perfect and sinned.  Wt's thousand year doctrine erases all faithfulness by those examples of imperfect people written in the Bible; examples we already have, and so many more kept in God's memory who will receive eternal life without being tested again.  JWs have no concept of Satan's deceptive powers, or how long he can wait it out before he leads people to their sudden death.  Deceit is used in Rev 20:7-9.  That can take a long time to develop. Use the birth and development of your organization as a template.   I am faulting your organization's leaders for convincing millions that they must become perfect to be tested by Satan.    This is bogus, as I already pointed out.  
    God knows each of our heart's potential before we are ever born.  (Ps 58:3; Jer 1:5)
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in The truth about Armageddon...   
    I am sorry if you feel I have offended you, but I've always had an aversion to deception.  
    We'll stick to the Bible then.  🙂
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in RESPECT FOR THE ELDER BODY   
    "In addition, speak positively about Jehovah’s organization and about your brothers and sisters. Do not criticize the elders. What you say about them can determine whether your children will turn to them in times of need." Wt April 2022   I think you will find this video very enlightening about the elder body neglecting children in their time of need. By what is said from the mouths of elders in the reported case of abuse, will hopefully protect other children, from them.   Mark 4:22 - "For nothing is hidden except to be revealed, and nothing concealed except to be brought to light."   Eph 5:12,13 - "Do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but rather expose them. For the things they do in secret are shameful even to mention. But all things being exposed by the light are made visible."   The video brings to light only one side of negligence and abuse committed by the elder body as a whole.   The full spectrum of their destructive abilities enacted over God's holy people, is told here -    WHO ARE THE LOCUSTS?  
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Paradise… Will it come?   
    Okay.  Is this why the GB are saying a "Gog of Magog" will attack JWs and the anointed "Israel" in your rank?  I don't recall the GB blaming this attack on unfaithful JWs in your rank, do you?
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Paradise… Will it come?   
    Can you tell me of an event in the Bible when other nations attacked Israel and took them captive or conquered them, simply because they were faithful to God’s decrees?
    I know of none. Gog of Magog in Ezekiel 38 attacked Israel because they were sinning and committing idolatry. (Ezek 38:8-11; 39:21-24)  Wt. and you, can’t pull those names out of a hat and change the reason why they came upon God’s people.  You can’t take a historic event based on the unfaithfulness practiced by Israel, and change its dynamics by saying today’s political nations will attack for no reason; that they will come upon a faithful, obedient people. 
    Nope, that is not consistent with the examples we have in God’s word.
    “These things happened to them as examples and were written for our instruction, on whom the ends of the ages have come.  So let the one who thinks he is standing be careful that he does not fall. ” 1 Cor 10:11,12
    In the last days, God’s people are taken captive (Col 2:8) and are slandered/trampled by the Beast from the Sea. Are you aware of this?  Is it because they are following God’s decrees, as you believe, or because they were influenced by their deceptive choice to follow the decrees of men and their idol? ( Col 2:8; Rev 9:1-6; 13:10,18, 5-7; Matt 24:24,25; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2)
    They’ve fallen into a snare; still, they made the choice. (Ezek 12:10,11,13; Jer 5:26; Eccl 9:12)  God allows it because Satan demands to test each anointed one; especially before the Kingdom arrives.  (Luke 22:31; Amos 3:5; 1 Pet 5:8; Rev 12:1-4)
    To be consistent with scriptural examples, when your version of Gog and Magog come upon millions at the end of your thousand-year doctrine after Armageddon, will it be because God’s people are faithful, or because they are sinning in paradise?
    Sin in paradise for an immeasurable amount of time?  That’s what your doctrine is alluding to.  When Satan deceives, sin follows. (Rev 20:7)
    “But understand this, that in the last days difficult times will come. 2 For people will be lovers of themselves,
    Are JWs leaders lovers of themselves?  Most certainly, they have an air of arrogance while also appearing pious.  They have convinced their followers to be lovers of themselves. Contrary to scriptural examples, they have convinced them that nations will attack them, not because they are sinning, but because they are righteous.   
    …lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, (the Father, the Son, Isa 9:6, and the New Covenant “woman”/mother, Gal 4:26)  ungrateful, unholy, 3 unloving, irreconcilable, slanderers, without self-control, savage, opposed to what is good, 4 treacherous, reckless, conceited, loving pleasure rather than loving God. 
    5 They will maintain the outward appearance of religion but will have repudiated its power. So avoid people like these. 6 For some of these insinuate themselves into households (the preaching work) and captivate weak women(2 Cor 11:2-4) who are overwhelmed with sins and led along by various passions. 7 Such women are always seeking instruction, yet never able to arrive at a knowledge of the truth.
    Traditionally called, "new light".
    And just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so these people—who have warped minds and are disqualified in the faith—also oppose the truth. (2 Thess 2:3,4,9-12)  9 But they will not go much further, for their foolishness will be obvious to everyone, just like it was with Jannes and Jambres."  2 Tim 3
    I know you would never consider that these scriptures apply to the organization and its people, but it isn’t called a Wild Beast from the Sea, simply for nothing.  (Rev 13:1,2; Isa 57:20)
     
    Armageddon, Time Table of Kingdoms
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Paradise… Will it come?   
    Indeed.
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Paradise… Will it come?   
    It is a continuous accusation against the anointed.  Each anointed one must conquer Satan.  What's the next verse?
    "They conquered him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony; for they did not love their lives to the point of death."  Rev 12:11
    Is this a testimony about the organization?
    The anointed under the "woman" covenant, have been spiritually "killed" by the Beast/organization for their testimony of Jesus.
    "So the dragon became enraged at the woman and went away to make war on the rest of her children, those who keep God’s commandments and hold to the testimony about Jesus."  Rev 12:17
    Rev 11:3,5,7,11
    Do you really think the GB will not fight tooth and nail to prevent themselves from suffering for Jesus' sake?   They fight to defend their rights as an earthly organization, while all who speak of Jesus as the way to  salvation, AND NOT THE ORGANIZATION, suffer at the hands of the GB through disfellowshipping and shunning.    
    Any who do suffer for Christ's truth, are following the path he took.  Matt 5:11,12
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Peter Carroll in Paradise… Will it come?   
    Those promises are true.  I believe in them and we can put our full trust in their words.  In fact, besides Jesus Christ who inherits the earth- the land, are his “righteous” members of his body – his “Bride”.  (Rev 19:7,8)
    After Lot had departed, the Lord said to Abram, “Lookfrom the place where you stand to the north, south, east, and west. 15 I will give all the land that you see to you and your descendants forever. 16 And I will make your descendants like the dust of the earth, so that if anyone is able to count the dust of the earth, then your descendants also can be counted.”  Gen 3:15-16
    So I’m sure we agree that Jesus was the promised physical seed of Abraham and that he inherits the earth as the second Adam.  (1 Cor 15:45)
    He is also the promised spiritual seed.  So too, are the members of his spiritual body.
    Gal 3:29 - If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
    God changed Jacob’s name to Israel. Spiritual “Israel” today are the anointed “elect”/chosen, under the New Covenant promise.  (Isa 43:10; 1 Pet 2:5,9; Gal 6:16; Rev 21:12)
     Here is the promise God gave to Jacob, Abraham’s grandson:
    Meanwhile Jacob left Beer Sheba and set out for Haran. 11 He reached a certain place where he decided to camp because the sun had gone down. He took one of the stones and placed it near his head. Then he fell asleep in that place 12 and had a dream. He saw a stairway erected on the earth with its top reaching to the heavens. The angels of God were going up and coming down it 13 and the Lord stood at its top. He said, “I am the Lord, the God of your grandfather Abraham and the God of your father Isaac. I will give you and your descendants the ground you are lying on. 14 Your descendants will be like the dust of the earth, and you will spread outto the west, east, north, and south. And so all the families of the earth may receive blessings through you and through your descendants. 15 I am with you! I will protect you wherever you go and will bring you back to this land. I will not leave you until I have done what I promised you!”  Gen 28
    Jesus and his Bride that “comes down from heaven” (“a stairway erected on the earth”, “the angels of God were going up and coming down on it”)
    …inherit the earth.  By their union through the fulfillment of the New Covenant, the rest of God’s children receive life.  (Isa 66:7-11; Rev 21:2,3)
    Jesus spoke again of the stairway with “angels” ascending and descending upon the Son of Man. (John 1:49-51) The “144,000” are not confined to a literal heaven as the organization describes.  Angels are defined as messengers, and God’s priests of “Israel” are the messengers of His word.  Mal 2:7  Even John the Baptist was described by the Greek word for “angel” as the "messenger" that came before Christ's arrival.  (Matt 11:10)
    Rev 5:10 – “You have appointed them as a kingdom and priests (or a “priestly kingdom”) to serve our God, and they will reign on the earth.”
    So there’s that. 
     
    It is your organization’s “paradise” that comes into question. Read your scriptures over again.  See how sound the promises are.  Your doctrine of "paradise" doesn't hold up to scripture.   Just think of the meaning of the word, paradise.   “a very beautiful, pleasant, or peaceful place that seems to be perfect”
    God’s Kingdom promises – PROMISES –  to
    “wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death will not exist any more—or mourning, or crying, or pain, for the former things have ceased to exist.”  Rev 21:4
    Does God make such a promise to His righteous ones, and then allow Satan to pull the rug out from underneath this paradise? 
    “ For every one of God’s promises are “Yes” in him; therefore also through him the “Amen” is spoken, to the glory we give to God.”  2 Cor 1:20
    “Look, today I am about to die. You know with all your heart and being that not even one of all the faithful promises the Lord your God made to you is left unfulfilled; every one was realized—not one promise is unfulfilled!" Josh 23:14
    "God is not a man, that he should lie,
    nor a human being, that he should change his mind.
    Has he said, and will he not do it?
    Or has he spoken, and will he not make it happen?"  Num 23:19
    Since God promises eternal peace in the Kingdom, it is your thousand-year doctrine that is a lie, and it is making God out to be a liar by saying “paradise” will be interrupted with war to be fought against God’s New Jerusalem in the anointed (Rev 20:7-9) and death of thousands will happen for an undetermined amount of time. 
    Will those finally found “righteous” be burying bodies again after a second Armageddon, where the “wicked” must be cut off again? 
    This is not what God’s Kingdom promises. 
     
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    Witness got a reaction from BroRando in Paradise… Will it come?   
    Peter, picture two fruit trees growing side by side.  One is full of good, edible fruit.  Each piece is desirable to eat. The tree is healthy, with fruit that not only contains nourishment, but healing properties. (Rev 22:1,2)
    Next to it is another tree, and lying at its base is fruit that has already fallen, and rotting. Flies and wasps are having a constant feast on its bounty.  On the tree itself, you see fruit turning brown from disease, barely holding on to the branches. True, there may be a handful of specimens that still look good enough to eat; but anyone with common sense would realize that relying on that tree for healing nourishment, would be an act of foolishness.  (Ps 1:1-3)
    Which tree would you choose to eat from? 
    The first tree represents the word of God in Jesus Christ.  To make it clear, a picture of the Bible might be the appropriate symbol to place next to it.  Better yet, perhaps a drawing of Jesus Christ, who is the tree of life. (Rev 2:7)
    The second tree could aptly be named “Beliefs Clarified”, with the appropriate symbol of Wt’s website that you eagerly provide in full color, leaning against the trunk.  Its beauty fades under swarms of flies feasting on rotten fruit.
    Leading individuals to the labyrinth of JW org, does not lead them to the tree of life.  Continuously, this “tree” hides its rotten “fruit” by purging old and failed teachings.  Still, if a student of the Bible decided to do a search on specific teachings within the labyrinth, confusion likely will result since some fruit that has turned from disease, still clings to the branches. (2 Pet 2:1-3)
    However, most newcomers investigating its fruit, stay close to the entrance of the labyrinth and feast on what looks appetizing and “healthy” to eat, provided through the most recent videos, magazines and books.  One thing that the GB is an expert at, is diverting the attention of their embarrassing past through a sort of "artificial selection", to glorify their past activities in a new shiny up to date offering of fruit. 
    “Watch out for false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are voracious wolves. 16 You will recognize them by their fruit. Grapes are not gathered from thorns or figs from thistles, are they? 17 In the same way, every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad[aa](“diseased”) tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree is not able to bear bad fruit, nor a bad tree to bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 So then, you will recognize them by their fruit.”  Matt 7:15-20
    We recognize false prophets by their failed teachings and doctrine of men; yet incredibly, the Wt. has exposed a portion of their rotten fruit for the world to see, while also convincing millions to keep eating from their tree.  They have disguised themselves as servants of righteousness.  2 Cor 11:13-15
    If you remainin me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you want, and it will be done for you. 8 My Father is honored by this, that you bear much fruit and show that you are my disciples.  John 15:7-8
    Has the GB shown they are true disciples of Christ by the fruit that they bear?
     “You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you to go and bear fruit, fruit that remains, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name he will give you.”  John 15:16
    Do you condemn a person for rejecting the doctrine of men – rotten fruit? Do you, Peter, condemn a person who follows and “eats” from the tree of life?  Rev 2:7 
     
    Two Trees, Past and Present
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Paradise… Will it come?   
    It can easily be seen that this Chioke person twists comments just as he did in previous guises. Billy the Kid / Allen et al. 
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