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    Witness got a reaction from Arauna in Did Jehovah’s Witnesses Lie to the Montana Court About Confidentiality?   
    According to God's Word, they have adulterated the teachings of Christ and the apostles.  To apply "sacred" to a  building is idolatry, let alone to a corporation by calling it "spirit-directed".   No doubt JWs would admit that Catholics are idolaters:
    "Whether you've been in a church many times or are new to its sights, sounds, smells and bells, knowing the rich meaning and history behind our sacred spaces and symbols can help us appreciate and deepen our faith. Churches reflect the communities who built them and the times and circumstances in which they are used. No two churches are alike, but each sacred space is used to celebrate the same Mass with our fellow Catholics.   https://www.catholicextension.org/camp-catholic/sacred-spaces-symbols
    Somehow the point is missed when it comes to the organization.   Since Christ, can you tell me of any incident in the scriptures that describes a building OR earthly organization as "sacred" and approved by God?  Acts 7:24,25,29-31
     God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands. 25 Nor is He worshiped with men’s hands, as though He needed anything, since He gives to all life, breath, and all things.
    Therefore, since we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, something shaped by art and man’s devising. 30 Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent, 31 because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained. He has given assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead.”
    Does the GB need to repent for creating idols?  Do the Catholics?
     
     
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Did Jehovah’s Witnesses Lie to the Montana Court About Confidentiality?   
    Please Tom. I made normal comment. And ask anyone what would cost be for restoration. Volunteering is no illegal. Spending donation money for Religious Vanity is morally and ethically bad example. Perhaps we all like to see beautiful buildings. But, is it buy, restore and sell something, what have to be interest and occupation for Religious, Charity Organization of JW? 
    2000+ members and unknown amount of $ versus 2000+  and same amount of money for preaching or helping people in need. What of this two IS CHARITY WORK???
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Did Jehovah’s Witnesses Lie to the Montana Court About Confidentiality?   
    He told illustrations about selling all you have to buy beautiful "pearl" and not Theater. :))) 
    “Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a merchant seeking beautiful pearls, who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had and bought it” Matthew 13
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    Witness reacted to 4Jah2me in Did Jehovah’s Witnesses Lie to the Montana Court About Confidentiality?   
    @Anna said that the buildings / Kingdom Halls were sacred and holy. 
    But in truth they are just real estate for the GB to make profit from. What adds to that insult is that Congregants spent many hours building those Kingdom Halls and maintaining them, and those congregants received no wages. So it shows that the GB use congregants as slave labour to build and maintain, so that the GB can reap a profit. More K/H are being closed and more Congregants are having to travel miles to meetings, so money is going somewhere.  
    But I think you should remember that Jesus didn't even have a place to call his home.  
    Matthew 8 v 20 NWT version. .
    But Jesus said to him: “Foxes have dens and birds of heaven have nests, but the Son of man has nowhere to lay down his head
    But your GB live in luxury, buying and selling real estate. 
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Did Jehovah’s Witnesses Lie to the Montana Court About Confidentiality?   
    I don't apply the term, "sacred" to anything I own, including my house.  Do you?  
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    Witness got a reaction from 4Jah2me in Did Jehovah’s Witnesses Lie to the Montana Court About Confidentiality?   
    I don't apply the term, "sacred" to anything I own, including my house.  Do you?  
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Did Jehovah’s Witnesses Lie to the Montana Court About Confidentiality?   
    This is such a successful, and pervasive lie.  If there was a leadership that needed attention other than those who’s words are in the Bible, you would think books would have been added concerning their “leadership” and “organization”, as a solid template for your own leadership.  WT has taken one account and blown it out of proportion…to suit their earthly, insatiable desires.
    You may want to see the conversation Arauna and I had on the subject:  https://www.theworldnewsmedia.org/forums/topic/84867-c-t-russell-was-labeled-as-an-apostate-by-the-adventists-in-1877/page/2/?tab=comments#comment-134575
    "Paul, an apostle (not from men nor through man, but through Jesus Christ and God the Father who raised Him from the dead)"  Gal 1:1
     
    "I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, 7 which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.
    10 For do I now persuade men, or God? Or do I seek to please men? For if I still pleased men, I would not be a bondservant of Christ.  Gal 1:6-10
     
    The Way then and now, is NOT by means of an earthly organization. 
    This is the Way to life:
    "Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6
    “A highway will be there, a road, and it will be called “The Holy Way”. The unclean shall not pass over it, but it will be for those who walk in the Way. Wicked fools shall not go there.”  Isa 35:8
    You are turning your head away from WT’s obvious sins, which is so foolish.  Where do we find the source of WT’s sins?  It is with your leaders who are not appointed by God.  If they are uninspired, they assume a role of “faithful and discreet”.  
    “Dear children, don’t let anyone deceive you. Whoever does what God approves of, has God’s approval as Christ has God’s approval. 8 The person who lives a sinful life belongs to the devil, because the devil has been committing sin since the beginning. The reason that the Son of God appeared was to destroy what the devil does. 9 Those who have been born from God don’t live sinful lives. What God has said lives in them, and they can’t live sinful lives. They have been born from God. 
    10 This is the way God’s children are distinguished from the devil’s children. Everyone who doesn’t do what is right or love other believers, isn’t God’s child. 1 John 3:7-10 
    Bloodshed happens every day in your organization. The innocent are “condemned” for rejecting this lying organization.   If one finds “the Way” in Christ, your leaders “kill” them.  John 16:2; Rev 13:15 
    11 The message that you have heard from the beginning is to love each other. 12 Don’t be like Cain. He was a child of the evil one and murdered his brother. And why did Cain murder his brother? Because the things Cain did were evil and the things his brother did had God’s approval. 13 Brothers and sisters, don’t be surprised if the world hates you.
    The world that hates those who find the right Way, is your world.  Sir, you are on a path designed by “wicked fools” to lead you away from truth in Christ.
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    Witness got a reaction from 4Jah2me in Did Jehovah’s Witnesses Lie to the Montana Court About Confidentiality?   
    How many times as a JW have you read this scripture below?  When does its meaning truly sink in?  When we leave the Watchtower behind, and our eyes finally perceive Watchtower's earthly lusts.  
     "Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16 For all that is in the world—the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life—is not of the Father but is of the world. 17 And the world is passing away, and the lust of it; but he who does the will of God abides forever."  1 John 2:15-17
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    Witness got a reaction from 4Jah2me in Did Jehovah’s Witnesses Lie to the Montana Court About Confidentiality?   
    This is such a successful, and pervasive lie.  If there was a leadership that needed attention other than those who’s words are in the Bible, you would think books would have been added concerning their “leadership” and “organization”, as a solid template for your own leadership.  WT has taken one account and blown it out of proportion…to suit their earthly, insatiable desires.
    You may want to see the conversation Arauna and I had on the subject:  https://www.theworldnewsmedia.org/forums/topic/84867-c-t-russell-was-labeled-as-an-apostate-by-the-adventists-in-1877/page/2/?tab=comments#comment-134575
    "Paul, an apostle (not from men nor through man, but through Jesus Christ and God the Father who raised Him from the dead)"  Gal 1:1
     
    "I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, 7 which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.
    10 For do I now persuade men, or God? Or do I seek to please men? For if I still pleased men, I would not be a bondservant of Christ.  Gal 1:6-10
     
    The Way then and now, is NOT by means of an earthly organization. 
    This is the Way to life:
    "Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6
    “A highway will be there, a road, and it will be called “The Holy Way”. The unclean shall not pass over it, but it will be for those who walk in the Way. Wicked fools shall not go there.”  Isa 35:8
    You are turning your head away from WT’s obvious sins, which is so foolish.  Where do we find the source of WT’s sins?  It is with your leaders who are not appointed by God.  If they are uninspired, they assume a role of “faithful and discreet”.  
    “Dear children, don’t let anyone deceive you. Whoever does what God approves of, has God’s approval as Christ has God’s approval. 8 The person who lives a sinful life belongs to the devil, because the devil has been committing sin since the beginning. The reason that the Son of God appeared was to destroy what the devil does. 9 Those who have been born from God don’t live sinful lives. What God has said lives in them, and they can’t live sinful lives. They have been born from God. 
    10 This is the way God’s children are distinguished from the devil’s children. Everyone who doesn’t do what is right or love other believers, isn’t God’s child. 1 John 3:7-10 
    Bloodshed happens every day in your organization. The innocent are “condemned” for rejecting this lying organization.   If one finds “the Way” in Christ, your leaders “kill” them.  John 16:2; Rev 13:15 
    11 The message that you have heard from the beginning is to love each other. 12 Don’t be like Cain. He was a child of the evil one and murdered his brother. And why did Cain murder his brother? Because the things Cain did were evil and the things his brother did had God’s approval. 13 Brothers and sisters, don’t be surprised if the world hates you.
    The world that hates those who find the right Way, is your world.  Sir, you are on a path designed by “wicked fools” to lead you away from truth in Christ.
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    Witness reacted to 4Jah2me in Did Jehovah’s Witnesses Lie to the Montana Court About Confidentiality?   
    A time of rebellion indeed and it's easy to see that the GB are rebelling against God and Christ. 
    Idolatry in the extreme. The GB worship money, power and position, and even buildings. 
    One building the GB and others at the top of the JW Org worship is this one.
    Scroll down on that link and see the idol worship and money wasted. 
    I wonder how much of congregants donations were wasted on the restoration of this monstrosity.
    https://jerseydigs.com/look-inside-the-historic-stanley-theater-journal-square-jersey-city/
     

    But they won't give money willingly to Victims of Child Sexual Abuse, that were abused in JW Org. Much of the abuse was carried out by Elders. And the GB continue to keep the secret data base of over 20 years, whilst wasting money on the worship of buildings. 
    Please show me how this is serving God properly ?  
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    Witness reacted to 4Jah2me in Did Jehovah’s Witnesses Lie to the Montana Court About Confidentiality?   
    @the Sower of Seed  " They have God's view of war, of murder, of abortion, of headship, of voting, of trusting in men, of the use of blood, of immorality,etc.... "
    The GB have no idea. 
    1. The GB say that God and Christ trust them, so then the GB tell people to trust them.  Trusting the GB is 'trusting in men', when the bible says 'Put not your trust in earthling man'
    2. How many more of you JWs will pretend that the GB and its Org have God's view of immorality ?
    Look around this Earth. See the hurt and pain the JW Org has caused people through Child Sexual Abuse. Then look at all the court cases where your GB are using dishonest lawyers to tell lies in courts, just to save your GB money. JW Org has big businesses in the world earning millions of pounds / $, but they do not want  to pay compensation to Victims of CSA. The GB have even made rules of shunning to deliberately push people away from their families and friends. The misuse of scripture is horrid. 
    The only 'seed' you are sowing is one of lies.  
    I'll repeat this scripture :- Matthew 5 
    38 “You heard that it was said: ‘Eye for eye and tooth for tooth.’a 39  However, I say to you: Do not resist the one who is wicked, but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other also to him.b 40  And if a person wants to take you to court and get possession of your inner garment, let him also have your outer garment;c 41  and if someone in authority compels you into service for a mile, go with him two miles. 42  Give to the one asking you, and do not turn away from one who wants to borrow from you."
    Direct instruction from Jesus to the Anointed. To give and not hold back.  Why are your GB doing exactly  the opposite to the instructions of Jesus Christ ? 
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Did Jehovah’s Witnesses Lie to the Montana Court About Confidentiality?   
    Today's "apostles" were not trained by Jesus. Not in literal way and not in some other way. JW leaders claiming how they not receiving "inspirational training" from Jesus. Reading Bible and thinking/mediate about text and prayers are only "training" they have. Imagine this: If real apostles in 1st century failed in many things after/despite training by Jesus, how much more errors can be expected from people who today claiming how they are (only) "guided by holy spirit"? 
    Saul of Tarsus was highly educated person. Today GB tells (teach) JW members how God and Jesus not need "higher education". Can we assume how Saul was well trained and excellent because of THIS background? And how Jesus had easier task to learned him and not need 3,5 years, because he got more effective mind as highly educated person? Do you suggest how 11 apostles had less desire to serve and learn?
    It is worrying to hear. In fact, enormously worrying!
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in "WATCHTOWER APPEALS TO THE SUPREME COURT"   
    It is possible to take this stand. But that has consequences too. Good? Or bad? If rain coming through roof of the house, will leaving thing to something or someone in the future bring to better or worst condition.
    God leave earthly things to be earthly human job. With good and bad outcomes. Bible said something like;    When the sentence for a crime is not quickly carried out, people’s hearts are filled with schemes to do wrong.
    This mantra,  platitudes - "live it to god", is not proper answer for many things we faced. For some things in life more time is needed, but not in a sense that JW people using this internal proverb with hope how something will be resolved without doing nothing or without interest and efforts for something. Victim need help in a way and quality and quantity that he/she as individual can manage and receive, in time and with time set by these specific individual.   
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    Witness got a reaction from 4Jah2me in Haiti Ten Years Later—Is Nothing Fixed?   
    I wouldn’t even consider it.  The organization and its leaders have a tainted reputation, that goes way back.  Follow it, and tell me if you cannot perceive its deception. It breaks each of God’s laws in Christ, but has an uncanny ability to hide this fact from those who are more loyal to the organization than they are to God and His decrees. 
    Ps 119:18-24 
    I defend God, Arauna.  I defend Christ.  I don’t defend an illusion. And neither should you.   Zech 10:2; Rev 18:4-8
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in "WATCHTOWER APPEALS TO THE SUPREME COURT"   
    The sin David committed didn’t affect all of Israel. He was remorseful and we have the record of his heartfelt repentance and mourning before God.   The sin of spiritual adultery by Israel’s leaders, affected all of God’s people, since it was sourced in teachings and idolatry promoted by the leaders themselves.   Because of that, God allowed suffering to come upon them.  The Pharisees in Jesus’ day were adulterers.  Jesus told his listeners to turn to truth, not to tolerate their behavior, or their teachings…not to share in their sins. Those that didn’t listen, lost their lives!
    Never does God expect us to sit back and absorb all the evil coming from those who speak it. That is hypocrisy.  The “world” that Jesus preached to, was the Jewish system of things.  In his prayer to God, he said of his disciples,
    “I have revealed you to those whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours; you gave them to me and they have obeyed your word.  John 17:6
    "Do not love the world or anything in the world. If anyone loves the world, love for the Father is not in them. 16 For everything in the world—the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life—comes not from the Father but from the world. 17 The world and its desires pass away, but whoever does the will of God lives forever." 1 John 2:15-17
    How can we be found acceptable before God if we even remotely entertain the misconduct of leaders ruling over us, who are not in the least repentant for their sins?  To be “no part of the world” in that day, meant rejecting Israel’s sins.  In the world of the organization, it means the same thing, where spiritual "Israel", God's people, resides. 
    Then I heard another voice from heaven say:
    “‘Come out of her, my people,’
        so that you will not share in her sins,
        so that you will not receive any of her plagues;
    5 for her sins are piled up to heaven,
        and God has remembered her crimes.
    6 Give back to her as she has given;
        pay her back double for what she has done.
        Pour her a double portion from her own cup.
    7 Give her as much torment and grief
        as the glory and luxury she gave herself.
    In her heart she boasts,
        ‘I sit enthroned as queen.
    I am not a widow;
        I will never mourn.’
    8 Therefore in one day her plagues will overtake her:
        death, mourning and famine.”  Rev 18:4-8
     
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Did Jehovah’s Witnesses Lie to the Montana Court About Confidentiality?   
    Some religious people love their clergy. Some not so much.
    Some non-religious people have same feelings.
    JW people not loving any clergy but only own clergy.
    Problem will be solved if WT publication start to teaching own members about "connotations".... wrong one and positive one. :)))
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    Witness got a reaction from 4Jah2me in Haiti Ten Years Later—Is Nothing Fixed?   
    It is a pyramid scheme, or so it seems!
    Because there is no transparency of where funds go, no one but those at the top of the pyramid, know how much money has been foolishly squandered in the “making of many books”.  But, JWs put full trust in the secure hope that their donations/investments in the company are wisely used – a “gift” they give, but that never brings solid, "well fastened" returns.
    I appreciate the verses directly before what you quoted:
    Further, because the Preacher was wise, he still taught the people knowledge. Yes, he pondered, sought out, and set in order many proverbs. 10 The Preacher sought to find out acceptable words, and that which was written blamelessly, words of truth. 11 The words of the wise are like goads; and like nails well fastened are words from the masters of assemblies, which are given from one shepherd.  Eccl 12:9-11
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    Witness got a reaction from Shiwiii in "WATCHTOWER APPEALS TO THE SUPREME COURT"   
    The only game in town in Jesus’ day, which was equally corrupt, was destroyed.  If the apostles held to your philosophy, where would any of us be now?  2 Cor 6:14,16,17; Rev 18:4-8
    Not without God "putting it into their hearts" - into the hearts of the elder body to act on behalf of their "Beast"/organization.
    Rev 17:15-17
    Rev 17:12-14
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    Witness reacted to 4Jah2me in Haiti Ten Years Later—Is Nothing Fixed?   
    @TrueTomHarley  " It’s called updating. People have done this since the beginning of time. The printing presses they use didn’t even fit in the NYC buildings, they became so large. "
    Septuagint bible w/ Apocrypha     Ecclesiastes 12:12 (LXX) And moreover, my son, guard thyself by means of them: of making many books there is no end; and much study is a weariness of the flesh.
    The Message Bible  Ecclesiastes 12:12 (MSG) But regarding anything beyond this, dear friend, go easy. There's no end to the publishing of books, and constant study wears you out so you're no good for anything else.
    So why would your GB want to be spending so much money on new buildings and new equipment, if 'THE END' IS SO CLOSE NOW ?
    Surely all that money could have been put into preaching the Good News Earthwide. After all, surely bringing in more people and getting them baptised is the priority ?  Your GB is telling the world that no one will be saved unless they are a baptised JW. But they used the brothers and sisters to do the building, when they could have been preaching, and they used the money for the buildings when it could have been used better in the earthwide preaching work, and possibly to help those bros & sis that need extra support financially to survive. But no, your GB chose to build it's 'Tower to the sky', just to show off its wealth. 
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in NEW DOCUMENTARY EXAMINES ALLEGED CHILD SEX ABUSE WITHIN JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES   
    Article in People Magazine:
    https://people.com/crime/jehovas-witnesses-alleged-sex-abuse-oxygen-documentary/?fbclid=IwAR3DWbOD6ihak4wOe7rtv0GIkNfppgH0MlGs56RtjpSE_kdXHcqB4xS6J-o
     
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    Witness got a reaction from 4Jah2me in NEW DOCUMENTARY EXAMINES ALLEGED CHILD SEX ABUSE WITHIN JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES   
    Article in People Magazine:
    https://people.com/crime/jehovas-witnesses-alleged-sex-abuse-oxygen-documentary/?fbclid=IwAR3DWbOD6ihak4wOe7rtv0GIkNfppgH0MlGs56RtjpSE_kdXHcqB4xS6J-o
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Haiti Ten Years Later—Is Nothing Fixed?   
    For you, this is a “sign and wonder” that the organization is blessed by God.
    I presented another religion with a very competitive track record of charity works, that easily squelches your statement, and you’re taking offense. 
    The GB had a home but decided they needed a better one.  With JW donations and volunteer work, it was accomplished.  No one, who labored in this effort either monetarily or physically ,was reimbursed one dime. 
    The same people who helped finance the GB’s new home, pay monthly into their house insurance that is available when disaster may cause the loss of their home. This is on top of paying their mortgage, which guarantees they keep their home.  The GB doesn't pay into house insurance and they are not responsible to pay a mortgage. Watchtower, in all pomp, rallies forth volunteers, and sweeps in to restore someone's home if lost during a disaster.  Yet, also expects the insurance check when it is finished. 
     Who's making out in both situations?   Whose ahead in both scenarios?  The Watchtower.
    This is robbery at its worst.  You can’t see it, but you can smell it, and it stinks. Srecko called it when using 2 Cor 11:14
     
    Now listen, you rich people, weep and wail because of the misery that is coming on you. 2 Your wealth has rotted, and moths have eaten your clothes. 3 Your gold and silver are corroded. Their corrosion will testify against you and eat your flesh like fire. You have hoarded wealth in the last days. 4 Look! The wages you failed to pay the workers who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord Almighty. 5 You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves in the day of slaughter.  6 You have condemned and murdered the innocent one, who was not opposing you.  James 5:1-6
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Arauna in Haiti Ten Years Later—Is Nothing Fixed?   
    No, I get the point.  But, perhaps you need to compare apples to apples - a religion in the world, compared to other religions in the world.  https://thehumanist.com/commentary/disaster-relief-can-humanism-fill-gap
    Whatever "signs and wonders" that the organization is able succeed at, does not verify it belongs to God.  
    For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.  Matt 24:24
    The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.  2 Thess 2:9-12

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