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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in The woman in the wilderness   
    I know that the organization teaches that Revelation’s “woman” is the “heavenly organization”, or the “wifelike organization”, even calling it the “wife of Jehovah” (w63 12/1 pp. 712-719)
    In another instance, your organizations says of the woman,
    She is a “bride” of many component parts, a composite “bride,” and so an organization following, imitating and doing the will of the prospective Bridegroom.  w81 5/1 pp. 22-27
    Which they mean by the “bridegroom”, Jesus Christ.
    Is this “woman”, the wife of God, or Jesus Christ?  Which WT teaching do you adhere to?  Which do you believe is “truth” about the woman?  You deserve, yes anyone is worthy, to know the truth. 
    Gal 4:22-26 tells us exactly what the “woman” represents.
    “For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman and the other by the free woman. 23 His son by the slave woman was born according to the flesh, but his son by the free woman was born as the result of a divine promise.
    24 These things are being taken figuratively: The women represent two covenants.
    “Covenants” – a contract, compact, a testament
    …a “promise”:
    “ But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother.  Now you, brothers and sisters, like Isaac, are children of promise. Gal 4:26,28
    Can you see that the “woman” of Revelation is the New Covenant which is symbolized by “Sarah”, and includes those within it, which are the anointed as @4Jah2me pointed out?  (Gal 4:31)
    They are “New Jerusalem”, because…they are the Temple.
    1 Cor 3:16,17 – “Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which temple you are.”
    They are “heavenly”, as a new creation – “born again” in the Spirit.  2 Cor 5:17
    The only “organization” that God recognizes is the Temple built on the chief cornerstone, Jesus Christ.  Eph 2:20-22
    God does not need a wife.  He didn’t need an “organization” to produce Jesus Christ, which is another lie of the WT.   
    To reason on this false doctrine.....
    It is asserted that by means of the "heavenly wife-like organization", Christ was brought forth. It is said that these angelic Sons of God somehow gave birth to Jesus Christ, as well as the group of 144,000.
    Please...according to reason and logic....
    Who created these angelic sons of God in heaven? Were they not created by means of the Firstborn...the Christ? (Col 1:15-18) Yet, he himself was NOT the WIFE of Jehovah. He was God's firstborn Son, and "master worker" (Prov 8:22,30). It was through HIM that the angels were created...not the other way around (Col 1:16). Once created, these angels are also referred to, as "sons"... (not as "wife") (Job 38:7).
     So, the last remnant under the “woman” covenant is the target of the dragon.  Rev 12:17,17  He uses deceit against them – LIES, which we know are Satan’s most effective war weapons.  Rev 13:7
    It looks like you, and all JWs have been lied to.
     
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    Witness got a reaction from 4Jah2me in The woman in the wilderness   
    I know that the organization teaches that Revelation’s “woman” is the “heavenly organization”, or the “wifelike organization”, even calling it the “wife of Jehovah” (w63 12/1 pp. 712-719)
    In another instance, your organizations says of the woman,
    She is a “bride” of many component parts, a composite “bride,” and so an organization following, imitating and doing the will of the prospective Bridegroom.  w81 5/1 pp. 22-27
    Which they mean by the “bridegroom”, Jesus Christ.
    Is this “woman”, the wife of God, or Jesus Christ?  Which WT teaching do you adhere to?  Which do you believe is “truth” about the woman?  You deserve, yes anyone is worthy, to know the truth. 
    Gal 4:22-26 tells us exactly what the “woman” represents.
    “For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman and the other by the free woman. 23 His son by the slave woman was born according to the flesh, but his son by the free woman was born as the result of a divine promise.
    24 These things are being taken figuratively: The women represent two covenants.
    “Covenants” – a contract, compact, a testament
    …a “promise”:
    “ But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother.  Now you, brothers and sisters, like Isaac, are children of promise. Gal 4:26,28
    Can you see that the “woman” of Revelation is the New Covenant which is symbolized by “Sarah”, and includes those within it, which are the anointed as @4Jah2me pointed out?  (Gal 4:31)
    They are “New Jerusalem”, because…they are the Temple.
    1 Cor 3:16,17 – “Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which temple you are.”
    They are “heavenly”, as a new creation – “born again” in the Spirit.  2 Cor 5:17
    The only “organization” that God recognizes is the Temple built on the chief cornerstone, Jesus Christ.  Eph 2:20-22
    God does not need a wife.  He didn’t need an “organization” to produce Jesus Christ, which is another lie of the WT.   
    To reason on this false doctrine.....
    It is asserted that by means of the "heavenly wife-like organization", Christ was brought forth. It is said that these angelic Sons of God somehow gave birth to Jesus Christ, as well as the group of 144,000.
    Please...according to reason and logic....
    Who created these angelic sons of God in heaven? Were they not created by means of the Firstborn...the Christ? (Col 1:15-18) Yet, he himself was NOT the WIFE of Jehovah. He was God's firstborn Son, and "master worker" (Prov 8:22,30). It was through HIM that the angels were created...not the other way around (Col 1:16). Once created, these angels are also referred to, as "sons"... (not as "wife") (Job 38:7).
     So, the last remnant under the “woman” covenant is the target of the dragon.  Rev 12:17,17  He uses deceit against them – LIES, which we know are Satan’s most effective war weapons.  Rev 13:7
    It looks like you, and all JWs have been lied to.
     
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    Witness reacted to Ann O'Maly in ....and like Forest Gump said "... and that's all I am going to say about that."   
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    Witness reacted to Matthew9969 in Eastern mentality and Communism compared to the CCJW / Watchtower.   
    If a person, who has studied and know the many doctrinal changes over the years, the failed predictions, the overlapping generations and legalistic nature of the watcher....all aka, incompetence, also reading that the watchtower is the mouthpiece of Jehovah, the channel of communication between Jehovah and man, etc. That person may seem Jehovah is incompetent  because of the incompetency of the watchtower. 
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Eastern mentality and Communism compared to the CCJW / Watchtower.   
    What sort of record is needed to validate that a person is preaching about God and Christ? A filled-out time slip for men to record, which benefits only the organization? Do scriptures back up this "tradition"?   Those are rules of men. God doesn’t need a time slip; only men who judge one’s spiritual worthiness, need it.   How many JW's here, count their time when speaking to an exjw?     It doesn't take an organization, it doesn't take rules and regulations by men, to speak about God and Jesus.   If we have to be spoon-fed, rule upon rule on how to preach, it is not the Holy Spirit that is directing that sort of preaching work.  If we have to submit any time that we have accrued for what you call, "preaching the good news",  it is the influence of scheming leaders who feel they must know what you are doing, and not doing, for the sake of the organization. 
    "Since you died with Christ to the elemental spiritual forces of this world, why, as though you still belonged to the world, do you submit to its rules:  “Do not handle! Do not taste! Do not touch!”?  These rules, which have to do with things that are all destined to perish with use, are based on merely human commands and teachings.  Such regulations indeed have an appearance of wisdom, with their self-imposed worship, their false humility and their harsh treatment of the body, but they lack any value in restraining sensual indulgence."  Col 2:20-23 
    There were believers of Christ among rulers in the days of the Pharisees, but they couldn't make the break and follow only Christ.  They were slaves to men, and feared for their immediate role of leadership and prestige among their people.  They feared being thrown out of the synagogue, and losing everything and everyone they knew.  Every JW is aware of what they will lose if they refuse to follow the organization’s guidelines. 
    Can our heart be manipulated by wickedness and the dominance of others?  Most certainly.
    “For I know this, that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock. 30 Also from among yourselves men will rise up, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after themselves.”  Acts 20:29,30
     Just because the WT touts to "preach" worldwide, does not mean that the organization is "the truth".
    Either we genuinely believe in Christ and follow him, or we hypocritically believe in an organization, and follow it.   
    “But although He had done so many signs before them, they did not believe in Him, 38 that the word of Isaiah the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spoke:
    “Lord, who has believed our report?
    And to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?”
    39 Therefore they could not believe, because Isaiah said again:
    40 “He has blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts,
    Lest they should see with their eyes,
    Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn,
    So that I should heal them.”
    41 These things Isaiah said when he saw His glory and spoke of Him.
    2 Nevertheless even among the rulers many believed in Him, but because of the Pharisees they did not confess Him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue; 43 for they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God.  John 12:37-43
    All JWs, strive for the praise of men.
    Synagogue – “congregation/ assembly”
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from 4Jah2me in Eastern mentality and Communism compared to the CCJW / Watchtower.   
    What sort of record is needed to validate that a person is preaching about God and Christ? A filled-out time slip for men to record, which benefits only the organization? Do scriptures back up this "tradition"?   Those are rules of men. God doesn’t need a time slip; only men who judge one’s spiritual worthiness, need it.   How many JW's here, count their time when speaking to an exjw?     It doesn't take an organization, it doesn't take rules and regulations by men, to speak about God and Jesus.   If we have to be spoon-fed, rule upon rule on how to preach, it is not the Holy Spirit that is directing that sort of preaching work.  If we have to submit any time that we have accrued for what you call, "preaching the good news",  it is the influence of scheming leaders who feel they must know what you are doing, and not doing, for the sake of the organization. 
    "Since you died with Christ to the elemental spiritual forces of this world, why, as though you still belonged to the world, do you submit to its rules:  “Do not handle! Do not taste! Do not touch!”?  These rules, which have to do with things that are all destined to perish with use, are based on merely human commands and teachings.  Such regulations indeed have an appearance of wisdom, with their self-imposed worship, their false humility and their harsh treatment of the body, but they lack any value in restraining sensual indulgence."  Col 2:20-23 
    There were believers of Christ among rulers in the days of the Pharisees, but they couldn't make the break and follow only Christ.  They were slaves to men, and feared for their immediate role of leadership and prestige among their people.  They feared being thrown out of the synagogue, and losing everything and everyone they knew.  Every JW is aware of what they will lose if they refuse to follow the organization’s guidelines. 
    Can our heart be manipulated by wickedness and the dominance of others?  Most certainly.
    “For I know this, that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock. 30 Also from among yourselves men will rise up, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after themselves.”  Acts 20:29,30
     Just because the WT touts to "preach" worldwide, does not mean that the organization is "the truth".
    Either we genuinely believe in Christ and follow him, or we hypocritically believe in an organization, and follow it.   
    “But although He had done so many signs before them, they did not believe in Him, 38 that the word of Isaiah the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spoke:
    “Lord, who has believed our report?
    And to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?”
    39 Therefore they could not believe, because Isaiah said again:
    40 “He has blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts,
    Lest they should see with their eyes,
    Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn,
    So that I should heal them.”
    41 These things Isaiah said when he saw His glory and spoke of Him.
    2 Nevertheless even among the rulers many believed in Him, but because of the Pharisees they did not confess Him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue; 43 for they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God.  John 12:37-43
    All JWs, strive for the praise of men.
    Synagogue – “congregation/ assembly”
     
     
     
     
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    Witness reacted to 4Jah2me in North Staffordshire sex beast finally jailed more than 30 years after Jehovah's Witness elders 'covered up' his crimes   
    @John Houston Am I of the Anointed you ask.  I don't think I am, but it does seem I have more of a Christian Bible trained  conscience than most JWs have. 
    It is only your opinion that I have 'anger and frustration'. Though do tell me what hating immorality has to do with " wanting the greater of position, not having a humble heart as Jesus tried to teach them.". Using your idea here it would look as if Jesus didn't have a humble heart because he certainly told the Pharisees their faults.
    Your question "Could you have done a better job with this matter of child abuse if you had the authority?"
    Yes I could have done a better job, and i would have done a better job at it too. I wouldn't have hid any of it. Do you remember the Apostle Paul making it clear about the man that was having sex with his own father's wife. And he told the congregation to sort it out. Paul didn't mince his words and didn't hide anything either. 
    Your questions " The 'anointed' would be judges, correct? But not now in this system right?
    Actually I think the True Anointed (which does not include the GB) should be judges now in some capacity.  BUT, instead the ELDERS and the Circuit Overseers act as judges now. Who is it that disfellowships congregants ? THEY are the ones who are acting as judges now. BUT it is not the Anointed doing it, it is the Elders who act as judges now. And do you think the Elders are closer to God and Christ than the Anointed ?  So that the Elders should be judges ? 
    And unfortunately you copy all other JWs with this wrong idea about Moses. MOSES was INSPIRED OF GOD. Your GB, their helpers, the Elders et al, are NOT Inspired by God. 
    Those MEN in authority in the CCJW / Watchtower Soc' are put in place by other men. It is all the work of MEN. None of them are inspired. None of them are spirit led.  How can i tell ? By Their Works You Will Know Them.
    Your words "Jesus knew the Jewish system was a failure, but while here he did not rise against it, 
    The Jewish System was put in place by GOD. And in fact Jesus was put to death because HE did rise against it. Jesus made clear its faults. Jesus made clear those whom were not serving God properly. Jesus started the NEW way of serving God.  BUT the CCJW / Watchtower does not compare to the Jewish system of things. Looking at the history of the 'Org' it has told lies from the very beginning. It has made false 'predictions' and spread false prophecies. It has used fear to almost force people to serve the Organisation. The ongoing threat that "Unless you are a baptised JW you will die at Armageddon".  The GB exalting themselves to the position of being the Faithful and Discreet Slave, and then telling other Anointed not to meet together or they would be 'working against he holy spirit'. If you cannot see all that as wrong then you seem to have lost your direction. Maybe you are in your comfort zone. 
    Almighty God, working through Christ, will surprise all JWs quite soon I believe. God and Christ have two choices. They can either cleanse the CCJW, or, they can start a new organisation using the True Anointed. If they cleanse the CCJW it would seem the GB would have to be removed and replaced with True Anointed ones. The new Anointed Servants may well come from around the Earth, not from America. 
    'World conditions' are obviously getting much worse. Armageddon must be getting closer day by day. So I cannot see God or Christ letting the CCJW carry on as they are for much longer. The scripture at Luke 17 v 1&2
    Then he said to his disciples: “It is unavoidable that causes for stumbling should come. Nevertheless, woe to the one through whom they come! 2  It would be more advantageous for him if a millstone were hung from his neck and he were thrown into the sea than for him to stumble one of these little ones.
    Th GB and their helpers are the 'causes for stumbling'. The Child Sexual Abuse / Paedophilia in the CCJW is a cause for stumbling. The lack of apology and not wanting to give compensation is a cause of stumbling. The GB telling the Anointed not to spend time together is a cause for stumbling. The GB stating that the Anointed would be 'working against the holy spirit' is a cause for stumbling and probably an insult to God and Christ. 
    I think you are too close to the 'Org' to see its faults. I think JWs are blind to God's standards because JWs follow the GB's rules and standards. Just take a hour of your time to stand back and see the reality. Do research and see what people are saying. 
    (I wonder if the Librarian will make this a new topic)
     
     
     
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    Witness reacted to 4Jah2me in North Staffordshire sex beast finally jailed more than 30 years after Jehovah's Witness elders 'covered up' his crimes   
    Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Sex beast Mark Longshaw has finally been jailed for inappropriately touching two children - more than three decades after his crimes were 'brushed under the carpet' by Jehovah’s Witness elders.

    Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  heard he inappropriately touched two children and made them touch him. Elders became aware of the incidents and helped the defendant to ‘cover it up’. “He has had no offences since this came to a conclusion and was disclosed to the church elders at the time. He accepts they helped to brush it under the carpet.”
    But blind JWs will say it's all lies and will say how wonderfully safe the CCJW is. If they could hide it then what stops them hiding it now ? 
    And, just think that the GB gives more power to those Elders than to the True Anointed ones. Some things really do have to change in that Org. 
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    Witness got a reaction from 4Jah2me in If the Body of Christ is united and, in your estimation, it is only the eight that have gone renegade, disfellowship them already and be done with it!   
    There certainly is a kink in Watchtower’s spiritual “hose”.  When a House Steward attempts to personally produce every provision necessary for the residents of the house, without consulting the cook, the maid, the gardener, the keeper of the books, do you think the house will run efficiently; especially if the steward has never been a gardener, a cook, a maid, or a keeper of the books?
    What would motivate a House Steward to take on all that responsibility?  Why wouldn’t he seek out or “dig” for some help? Luke 16:1-4   When he did realize he couldn’t do it all, why would he appoint his own “helpers” outside of the house?  Matt 24:48-51  And, what does he tell those servants already inside the house?  Does he tell them “submit to my decision or I’ll have you fired?”  Rev 13:15-17
    The House is God’s spiritual house; the anointed Body of Christ. Eph 2:20-22  Every member of His house must be put to use in the capacity God gave them.  It’s not the decision of men to regulate another’s personal gift from God; but, this is between Christ and his priest.  Eph 5:23
    “For I say, through the grace given to me, to everyone who is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think soberly, as God has dealt to each one a measure of faith. 4 For as we have many members in one body, but all the members do not have the same function, 5 so we, being many, are one body in Christ, and individually members of one another. 6 Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, let us use them: if prophecy, let us prophesy in proportion to our faith; 7 or ministry, let us use it in our ministering; he who teaches, in teaching; 8 he who exhorts, in exhortation; he who gives, with liberality; he who leads, with diligence; he who shows mercy, with cheerfulness.” Rom 12:3-8
    "There are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5 There are differences of ministries, but the same Lord. 6 And there are diversities of activities, but it is the same God who works [Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ]all in all. 7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all." 1 Cor 12:4-7
    "But now indeed there are many members, yet one body. 21 And the eye cannot say to the hand, 'I have no need of you'; nor again the head to the feet, 'I have no need of you.' 22 No, much rather, those members of the body which seem to be weaker are necessary. 23 And those members of the body which we think to be less honorable, on these we bestow greater honor; and our unpresentable parts have greater modesty, 24 but our presentable parts have no need. But God composed the body, having given greater honor to that part which lacks it, 25 that there should be no [Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ]schism (division) in the body, but that the members should have the same care for one another. 26 And if one member suffers, all the members suffer with it; or if one member is honored, all the members rejoice with it." 1 Cor 12:20-26
    And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers, 12 for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the [Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ]edifying (building up) of the body of Christ, 13 till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ  Eph 4:11-13 
    And the Lord said, “Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his master will make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of food in due season? 43 Blessed is that servant whom his master will find so doing when he comes. 44 Truly, I say to you that he will make him ruler over all that he has. 45 But if that servant says in his heart, ‘My master is delaying his coming,’ and begins to beat the male and female servants, and to eat and drink and be drunk, 46 the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. 47 And that servant who knew his master’s will, and did not prepare himself or do according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. 48 But he who did not know, yet committed things deserving of stripes, shall be beaten with few. For everyone to whom much is given, from him much will be required; and to whom much has been committed, of him they will ask the more."  Luke 12:42-48
    Each anointed one receives a “portion” of Holy Spirit, to be used properly and not to be squandered away at the demand of a wicked steward/slave.  1 Cor 1:21,22    In the organization, this is exactly what is taking place. Matt 24:48-51
     
    I was raised on plenty of potatoes, a lot of spaghetti, peaches and pears from our trees, and trout that my father caught in the spring and summer.  I had never tasted an avocado or a pomegranate until I moved away, which became some of my favorite foods; even though as a child I wasn't deprived of food.  We don’t miss what we have never had.  2 Chron 15:3; Lev 26:26; Ezek 4:10-13; Amos 8:11; Rev 3:17; 6:5,6  Until the Body works uniformly in providing spiritual food as God expects it to, you will not know what you are missing, since the anointed in the organization are not allowed to contribute to the production of spiritual food.  Isa 55:1,2; Rev 22:17  
    As the quote from the WT states:  
     
    Pearl Doxsey - 4womaninthewilderness blogspot
    "A Hidden Famine - A Hidden Feast"
     
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    Witness got a reaction from 4Jah2me in The BODY OF CHRIST is the TRUE ANOINTED. The earthly class are NOT part of the Body of Christ.   
    Although most JWs cannot “see” what you say, I am appalled at the shameless approach the WT takes toward the role of the anointed these days.   The decay of who the anointed are and their role as God’s priesthood, has been gradual; while at the same time, the exultation – the rise and power of the elder body – has become predominate.  (Dan 8:9-12; 11:16; Rev 16:13,14)
    The assumption that the Holy Spirit works for this change, is blasphemy. 
    Secular meaning of “blasphemy” - the action or offence of speaking sacrilegiously about God or sacred things; profane talk.
    Blasphemy is the act of insulting or showing contempt or lack of reverence to a deity, or sacred objects, or toward something considered sacred or inviolable. Some religions consider blasphemy to be a religious crime. (wikipedia)
    God’s holy people are His anointed ones. (Isa 43:10; 1 Pet 2:9,10; Rev 5:9,10) They are His spiritual dwelling.  His living Temple. (1 Cor 3:16,17; 2 Cor 6:16; 1 Cor 6:19-20)   Would He allow others to attack His dwelling with sacrilegious insults, for very long?  The anointed heart is where Holy Spirit resides - the Spirit that is truth and should motivate the heart to teach it. (John 16:13; 1 John 2:27)
    Thus, this statement uttered by the WT, is blasphemy:
    “Modestly, anointed ones acknowledge that they do not necessarily have more holy spirit than those with an earthly hope. They do not claim to have special knowledge or revelations; neither do they try to prove that they are in some way superior. w16 January p. 23-24”
    So, what is an anointing for? And why would a powerful group of people suppress the role of the anointed – who are in the minority?    It is the “pouring out” of Holy Spirit onto the individual. It begins from outside of the physical body and eventually reaches every internal part of the person. (1 John 2:27; Rom 5:5)  Can that be dismissed as ‘not necessarily having more holy spirit than another person’?  If God’s anointed were allowed to speak about this supernatural event; if they were not fearful of the dual power hovering over them and the slander made against them if they do speak up, JWs would realize the difference between the “common and the holy”. (Ezek 44:23; Rev 11:1,2)   That individual, a “living stone” of God’s Temple, should protect the Temple, but in a religious setting where another group of people has gained power over them, what happens to God’s Temple, and what are the consequences? (1 Cor 3:17)
    Who would create a religious setting where the anointed have gathered, yet are also slandered with falsehoods about themselves?  (Rev 13:1,7; Rev 20:7-9)
    “Don’t let anyone deceive you about this in any way. That day cannot come unless a revolt takes place first, and the man of sin, the man of destruction, is revealed. 4 He opposes every so-called god or anything that is worshiped and places himself above them, sitting in God’s temple and claiming to be God.
    The anointed are God’s sons - they are “gods”. (John 10:34-36)  They are to “house” the word of God, Truth from Christ, in their heart.  (John 17:8)   It is their role to defend God, to defend His dwelling.  It is their role to defend Jesus Christ, the Head of God’s Temple. It is their role to remain “in Christ” and teach his truth. (Mal 2:7; John 15:4)  They don’t need to defend a false priesthood that has warned ahead of time, that its role cannot be challenged.  But sadly, in the WT, they have allowed the dismantling of their spiritual holy garments as God’s priests and handed them over, to lawlessness that rules over them, in the absence of truth. 
    If the elder body was sanctioned by God, why the need to tell God’s Temple members, not to challenge the ‘representation’, of themselves? 
    I wish JWs would see that the organization they ‘love’, is out to destroy God’s holy people. 
    The “man of destruction” would say this:
    “…neither do they try to prove that they are in some way superior”.    
    The “man of destruction” would say this:
    “In addition, anointed Christians do not view themselves as being part of an elite club. They do not seek out others who claim to have the same calling, hoping to bond with them or endeavoring to form private groups for Bible study.”
    The “man of destruction”, would say this, about the Temple “stones” ‘bonding’ together:
    “Such efforts would cause divisions within the congregation and work against the holy spirit, which promotes peace and unity.”
    "you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house ("into a temple of the Spirit")  to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ."  1 Pet 2:5
    “Do you see all these things?” he asked. “Truly I tell you, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down.”  Matt 24:2 
    “Peace and unity”, is needed run an earthly organization well, without interruptions in its agenda, of a feeding program directed by a wicked slave.  (Matt 24:48-51) 
    “Your prophets saw visions for you that were empty and deceptive; they did not reveal your iniquity and so restore your fortunes. They saw pronouncements for you that were empty and misleading.” Lam 2:14
    “Dress in sackcloth and lament, you priests; wail, you ministers of the altar. Come and spend the night in sackcloth, you ministers of my God, because grain and drink offerings are withheld from the house of your God.”  Joel 1:13
    “house” – “household”, home”, temple. 
    “Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and strangers, but fellow citizens with God’s people and also members of his household, 20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. 21 In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord.”  Eph 2:19-21
    “joined together”?  Not when the anointed cannot “bond” in the WT.
    The “man of destruction” uses the weapon of deceit to destroy God’s Temple, household, today.  When power is obtained over an individual, or a group of people, it has the ability to erode the people. 
    Rev 13:6:  “It began to speak blasphemies against God: to blaspheme His name and His dwelling—those who dwell in heaven.”  (see Heb 12:22)
    The biblical Greek meaning of “blasphemy”:
    “slander, detraction, speech injurious to another's good name”
    “impious and reproachful speech, injurious to divine majesty”
    “The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie, 10 and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.
    And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming.”  2 Thess 2:9,10,8
     
    I wish JWs, including the elders, would “see” what’s coming.
     
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    Witness reacted to 4Jah2me in When i strongly criticize WTJWorg + GB + Helpers, why is this same to you as criticizing God?   
    5 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said: And you are sure that WT with GB listens Christ in all things, little and big?
    Quote @César Chávez answer " The Watchtower does with its illustration of fine works as described and instructed by Christ himself."
    Well actually the Watchtower / GB / CCJW do not 'listen to' or follow Christ's instructions in most things. And I think it is clear that Christ is not instructing the Watchtower / GB / CCJW. 
    Example 1, The GB call themselves the Faithful and discreet Slave, but prove by their words that they are not so.
    Example 2. The GB had it written in the Watchtower that the Anointed should not gather together for study or prayer to God. The GB stated that it would be 'working against the Holy Spirit' if the Anointed did gather together. Whereas Jesus Christ told the Anointed that where ever two or three of them were gathered together HE would be amongst them. 
    I could add more but I've been warned not to. 
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in When i strongly criticize WTJWorg + GB + Helpers, why is this same to you as criticizing God?   
    "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."
    To continue; why WTJWorg need to have enormous numbers of rules, instructions and various policies, similar to Old Law that Jesus put out of power? Little and big WTJWorg "laws". Jesus made "simplified edition" and "Jesus Law" said this: “Carry each other’s burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ” - Gal 6:2.  (To those outside the law I became as one outside the law (not being outside the law of God but under the law of Christ) that I might win those outside the law.- 1 Cor 9:21)
    Most Bible teachers understand the law of Christ to be what Christ stated were the greatest commandments in Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. , “‘Which commandment is the most important of all?’ Jesus answered, ‘The most important is, “Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.” The second is this: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” There is no other commandment greater than these.’”
    Well again, have to ask: why WTJWorg need to have massive organizational structure (half religious and half secular) with hierarchy and all various departments, when Jesus ask from his followers only to "Carry each other’s burdens"??!! :))
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    Witness got a reaction from 4Jah2me in Witness & Pearl Doxsey   
    I appreciate your work trying to make sense of a topic, since you feel the need, and have the authority to do so.  But, in the case of the topic,
    Furuli's new e-book: "My Beloved Religion - And The Governing Body",  I do feel most of the primary posters could fit your idea of “trolling”. Most everyone had gone off topic. 
     I’m pretty old, so the term “trolling” had to require an internet definition. 
    “An internet troll is someone who makes intentionally inflammatory, rude, or upsetting statements online to elicit strong emotional responses in people or to steer the conversation off-topic. “
    I believe I’ve experienced that from a JW here who uses the term “hate-OCD” quite regularly, or another who has damned me completely.  I'm not expecting them to be removed, even if one of them has received a warning.
    They can come in many forms. Most trolls do this for their own amusement
    Yes, we do have a writer on board who comes up with the most amusing, and often sarcastic comments directed to a poster; sometimes, when least expected.
    but other forms of trolling are done to push a specific agenda.
    Who wouldn’t be pushing their own agenda if they are commenting on a topic, within a forum open to both JWs and non JWs?  I fully admit I do, and I feel that others can share the same opinion.  Personally, I don’t comment for my own amusement, or to make rude statements about the person I am responding to.  I comment because my agenda is about what is truth. 
    Either we are all trolls, or we are engaging in a conversation with various opinions, no matter how heated they may become.
     
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Miscellaneous topics   
    Paul speaks of the rebellion of the Levites against Moses and Aaron. So it is a struggle for supremacy within the hierarchy. With this example, Paul speaks to the Corinthians who rebel against the counsel and teachings that Paul taught the congregation in Corinth. We can see a parallel because some were against Paul as an “apostle”.
    What does this have to do with those JW or ex-JW who do not want to listen/obey to today's "apostles", who are constantly changing their own teachings?
    WT+GB+Helpers+WT lawyers spiritual and physical deeds are revealed by their own actions. Nobody "slender" them. 
    Well, why you find yourself fit to judge me or someone else, than? Or, you think how only certain people in WT have privilege to judge other people in and out side WTJWorg, and  how that certain individuals are in Top Management of your organization? 
    So you are in favor of a collective approach? 
    Are you willing to bear the guilt of your brother who is a pedophile? Are you ready to bear the guilt of your elders and lawyers lying before a secular court and uses deception to cover up the real situation? Do you want to be judged for what you did not do?
    I know of only one man who took the sins of all others and died for it. Are you ready to do the same? :))
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in EXCLUSIVE DEVOTION   
    I think it is safe to say that people in general, gather inanimate objects to help them remember the places they have visited. It is not unusual for us to collect a rock or a piece of wood discovered in a natural setting, to remind us of our visit. I have a pile of rocks to prove it. Possibly we may boast to others of our find, as evidence that we once enjoyed an extraordinary place in the world. It seems we just have to collect a souvenir of some sort, something to bring the experience back into focus.
    It is commonplace to treasure an item previously owned by a loved one who died, by including it in our own possessions. It helps to reminds us of the person we miss. I had a sweater belonging to my father that I held onto for years. I just came across it a few days ago after it being packed away and forgotten. When I acquired it from his clothing after he died, that and one of his favorite checkered shirts provided a sense of security; flooding me with memories about him that I didn’t want to lose. I wore the shirt to tatters, using it as an additional covering on chilly spring or fall days. Just recently, I put the sweater out at the end of our road, along with other things for someone else to take care of. I realize that I don't need that sweater to create the image of my father in my mind. It had been out of my sight for a number of years, yet I had never forgot my father’s generous smile, nor was I unable to hear the deep quality of his voice in my mind. I can still draw on experiences of his love and patience for me, ready to provide comfort, while not always knowing why. I have not lost the image of my father, in my mind.
    There can be a dangerous projection of imagery, that can transgress our relationship with God. This imagery leads to idol worship.
    In 1 John 5:21, the Amplified Bible reads such:
    “Little children (believers, dear ones), guard yourselves from idols—[false teachings, moral compromises, and anything that would take God’s place in your heart].”
    The nation of Israel was highly influenced by what its leaders taught. Israel’s kings promoted worship to false gods, while many times adjoining it to their worship of YHVH. (1 Kings 12:28-30) When deep in idolatrous practices, their pride and self-confidence resulted in forgetting their God; worshiping Him “in pretense” (“deception” – Jer 3:10), with an unfaithful heart, which resulted in Israel suffering severely. (Deut 6:14,15; Jer 3:6-10; 1 Kings 12:28-30; Judges 3:7; 10:10)  
    It was only a minority of Israel’s kings who stressed worship to be given exclusively to God. (2 Kings 18:1,4-6) (Exod 20:4; Matt 22:35-38)  
    “But the Lord your God you shall fear; and He will deliver you from the hand of all your enemies.” However they did not obey, but they followed their former rituals. 41 So these nations feared the Lord, yet served their carved images; also their children and their children’s children have continued doing as their fathers did, even to this day.” 2 Kings 17:39-41
    “Then Samuel said to all the house of Israel, “If you are returning to the Lord with all your heart, remove the foreign gods and the Asheroth from among you and direct your hearts to the Lord and serve Him only; and He will rescue you from the hand of the Philistines.” 1 Sam 7:3
    I came across a statement under the topic “image” in the organization’s magazines. It said that the early Jews “had a tendency to attribute Jehovah’s acts to idols”.
    The organization has created their own altered version of the Almighty God. There are personality traits assigned to “Jehovah” that are not those of YHVH; the God whom we must give exclusive devotion. (Deut 13:4; 1 Sam 12:24; Col 3:23,24) To serve “Jehovah”, requires serving the idol – the organization. (Rev 13:1,4) The spirit of “Jehovah” is said to be infused within the idol/organization, allowing it to become the channel of “Jehovah’s acts”. (Rev 13:15)  
    Likewise “Jehovah’s acts” are controlled by the operations of the organization – by those who direct it. (Rev 13:11,12) If the organization experiences negative results, one must “wait on Jehovah” to correct it; if it experiences positive results, “Jehovah” has blessed its efforts. It is assumed that they are spiritually connected – a “spirit-directed organization”. The counterfeit personality of YHVH as “Jehovah”, has “breathed” spirit into the organization. This is the teaching of the WT.
    Yet the reality is, a false prophet has been granted to “breathe” spirit into the idol. (Rev 13:11-15) (Rev 13:1,2)  
     
    At Rev 13:15 it reads; "The second beast was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed."

    Rev 13:8 tells us, that all the land, worships this beast (not its image).
    How is that idolatry accomplished, through the events of Rev 13:15?
    We see a very interesting relationship, between the actual Beast, and its own image ... and the effect and result, to those who worship.
    First, the false prophet uses the power given him (Rev 9:1), to give the Beast an image of spirit-inspiration, so that it CAN speak, and, condemn to death.
    How can a mere Idol, do such things?
    (Ps 115:4-8; Isa 44:10,17,18,20)

    Please let me illustrate:
    Imagine that you have respect for the laws of the land, and wish to obey the authority and power of the police. If a man approaches you and shows you his police badge, you will comply with all his demands.
    But suppose a different man approaches you, and he does not have a badge, nor is he a representative of the police. Do you still comply with all his demands?

    Essentially, there is no difference between the two human men. The only difference between them, is that one of them represents an identity that you respect to have the power and authority to direct your behavior. The police officer is the tangible representative of that image of authority and power.
    It is the same with the beast and its image.
    Once the false prophet gives the Beasts' Image an appearance of being divinely inspired; the tangible beast (as the physical manifestation of its' own image), is empowered with the authority to judge and kill ... thereby giving this unique idol, the ability to speak, through its tangible representatives.
    This causes the beast itself to be worshiped, because it represents its own image.
    I hope that the present fulfillment of this scenario is perceived in the minds of readers.

    I know this explanation, sounds convoluted. But this is the greatest and last-ditch effort and machination of Satan, to take captive the remaining ones of the woman's seed. He is the crooked and twisted serpent, and the very father of deceptions. In the time of the end, Satan finally creates an idol, that can speak.
    Pearl Doxsey – “The Beast and the Image / An Idol that can speak”
     
    The Beast “speaks” through its “tangible representatives” – the “divine” elder body/false priesthood including the governing leaders; while the representatives of God’s living Temple, the ambassadors of Christ/ anointed sons of God, are restricted from speaking. (1 Pet 2:5,9; Heb 13:15)(Matt 24:48-51; Rev 13:5-7) Their spiritual “sacrifices of praise” have been cut off and replaced with “burnt offerings” to an idol. (Dan 8:24,25; 11:31,32,37-39)
    King Josiah was one of the few kings who ‘rid the land of idols’ during his reign. (2 Kings 23:3-5) In the organization’s drama about King Josiah, there is a scene where a son is alerting his father, who is a priest of the god Baal, of Josiah’s intentions to destroy all forms of idol worship.
    He tells his father, “You don’t understand. Josiah plans to tear down all the high places”.
    “Oh, I understand alright. When his extremist ideas become the law of the land, there will no longer be any joy. No tolerance, no freedom of worship, only narrow-minded rules and oppressed people. Do you understand that?”
    We can flip this comment around and direct it to the organization that produced it. Through evidence of its “narrow-minded” man-made rules, intolerance to scriptural independent thinking through a regulated spiritual feeding, we can comprehend the deceitful irony in this comment. (Rev 13:16,17) The anointed Temple members of God’s spiritual dwelling must respect the unity of all, by not bonding as a body; they are barred from offering their sacrifices of praise and truth under their Head. The organization’s mask of holiness falls away, to reveal its idolatrous apostasy. (Isa 5:20; 2 Cor 11:14,15)
    Can you see that the spirit that operates the organization, is the spirit of Satan? (Rev 13:2) The truth in Christ sets us free of oppression and slavery to an idol. (John 8:32) In Christ, we are not locked down to serve an earthly organization and the commands of men. This ideology contradicts God’s word. (Ps 97:10; John 14:21; Gal 5:1; Rom 1:25; Col 2:8)
    Marduk or “Bel/Baal” (meaning lord, master) was the god of the Babylonians – an agricultural deity, and storm god, as well as possessing benevolent traits. At his side is a dragon, with “a head of a snake, hind feet claws of a large bird of prey, front paws of a lion and the tail of a deadly scorpion.”
    This god was the creator of the world, including humans, and was Babylon’s protector while housed in the temple in Babylon. Marduk's reign decreed unity among all people. Under his rule, was a divine force of lesser gods, whose role was to care for and supply the needs of all humans in the scope of their supervision. These humans accomplished all other work of the Babylonian society, out of respect for the gods and the will of a compassionate and caring Marduk, who ruled with justice.
    We are well aware that Satan is the source of false worship, false gods and idols; and these practices and have crept through time, down to his most profound machination against the anointed remnant in the last days. (Rev 12:3; 13:1; 12:4;13:1,7)
    Personally, I believe it is ingenious for him to use his previous ideas, utilizing personalities of past gods to alter one’s perception and worship to be given the true God, into one of blasphemy.  And, we see similarities in spiritual “Babylon” happening today. The false “gods”/elder body/locust-scorpions promote organizational unity among its people. JWs do the work that the “gods” have no time for, while these gods supply all with spiritual food. In turn, JWs willingly obey and respect the “faithful and discreet slave” including the entire elder body, while “Jehovah” watches protectively from above. His spirit resides in his “temple” – the organization. (Dan 11:36; Gal 4:8; 2 Thess 2:4; Rev 9:3-5)
    It appears that Satan’s “last ditch effort” as Pearl called it, has required a mixed plethora of past forms of deceit, using his “gods”/false priesthood of today, to hunt down and “overcome the saints”. (Ezek 13:20-21; Jer 5:26; 2 Pet 2:12-14,17,18; Col 2:8; Rev 13:6,7,10)
    It was a prophetess that spoke God’s words to Josiah and all of Israel, about their hideous practices of idolatry:
    She said to them, “This is what the Lord God of Israel says: Say to the man who sent you to me, 24 ‘This is what the Lord says: I am about to bring disaster on this place and on its inhabitants, fulfilling all the curses written in the book that they read in the presence of the king of Judah, 25 because they have abandoned me and burned incense to other gods so as to anger me with all the works of their hands. My wrath will be poured out on this place, and it will not be quenched.’ 2 Chron 34:19-25
    Also today, it is a prophetess in the spirit of “Elijah”, who carries a similar message to spiritual “Israel”. They have been influenced into idolatry by a leading Harlot, directing/”riding” the Beast organization. (Isa 52:1,2,8,11,12; Mal 3:1-6; Matt 17:11; Matt 25:6; Rev 11:1-3)
    “Israel” has allowed God’s Temple to be ransacked and trampled by an abomination standing in the midst of them. (Deut 32:16; Ezek 44:10,12,13,6-9) (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22)
    “But when you see the abomination of desolation (“I.e. the detestable one who desecrates the temple.”
    …standing [in the temple sanctuary (1 Cor 3:16,17)] where it ought not to be (let the reader understand) then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains.” Mark 13:17
    They have allowed their worship to God to be compromised by “evil ways”. (Jer 11:9-12) Keeping their faith in the “mountainlike organization” is stressed, and paramount for salvation, over and above, one’s whole-souled worship to YHVH. (Deut 32:37; Rev 6:15-17; Deut 32:4)
     
    Hear the word of the Lord, you descendants of Jacob,
    all you clans of Israel.
    5 This is what the Lord says:
    “What fault did your ancestors find in me,
    that they strayed so far from me?
    They followed worthless idols
    and became worthless themselves.
    The priests did not ask,
    ‘Where is the Lord?’
    Those who deal with the law did not know me;
    the leaders rebelled against me.
    The prophets prophesied by Baal,
    following worthless idols.
    9 “Therefore I bring charges against you again,”
    declares the Lord.
    “And I will bring charges against your children’s children.
    Cross over to the coasts of Cyprus and look,
    send to Kedar and observe closely;
    see if there has ever been anything like this:
    11 Has a nation ever changed its gods?
    (Yet they are not gods at all.)
    But my people have exchanged their glorious God
    for worthless idols.
    12 Be appalled at this, you heavens,
    and shudder with great horror,”
    declares the Lord.
    13 “My people have committed two sins:
    They have forsaken me,
    the spring of living water,
    and have dug their own cisterns,
    broken cisterns that cannot hold water.
    “How can you say, ‘I am not defiled;
    I have not run after the Baals’?
    See how you behaved in the valley;
    consider what you have done.
    You are a swift she-camel
    running here and there,
    24 a wild donkey accustomed to the desert,
    sniffing the wind in her craving—
    in her heat who can restrain her?
    Any males that pursue her need not tire themselves;
    at mating time they will find her.
    25 Do not run until your feet are bare
    and your throat is dry.
    But you said, ‘It’s no use!
    I love foreign gods,
    and I must go after them.’
    “As a thief is disgraced when he is caught,
    so the people of Israel are disgraced—
    they, their kings and their officials,
    their priests and their prophets.
    27 They say to wood, ‘You are my father,’
    and to stone, ‘You gave me birth.’
    They have turned their backs to me
    and not their faces;
    yet when they are in trouble, they say,
    ‘Come and save us!’
    28 Where then are the gods you made for yourselves?
    Let them come if they can save you
    when you are in trouble!
    For you, Judah, have as many gods
    as you have towns.
    On your clothes is found
    the lifeblood of the innocent poor,
    though you did not catch them breaking in.
    Yet in spite of all this
    35 you say, ‘I am innocent;
    he is not angry with me.’
    But I will pass judgment on you
    because you say, ‘I have not sinned.’
    Jeremiah, chapter 2
     
     
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    Fallen Star
    Who is the False Prophet Who Gives Breath to the Image of the Beast?
    Who is Your God?
    Who are the “gods”?
    “The Disgusting Thing Standing in a Holy Place” Matt 24:15
     
     

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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Jehovah's Witnesses had 'disowned' 27-year-old, found dead in Bristol park   
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    Witness reacted to 4Jah2me in Wasn't Jesus' supposed parousia/advent to be recognized only by those who had spiritual insight at the time?   
    Quote @JW Insider Within that context, of people falsely interpreting signs, making false predictions, making false claims about their knowledge, falsely claiming to be the Messiah themselves, or even many claiming that Jesus is the Messiah but that only they can lead disciples to him with true knowledge only they know about.
    I can seriously relate this to the Governing Body and the Watchtower / CCJW. 
    falsely interpreting signs = Signs of the times of the end
    making false predictions = The 1960's through 1975. And even now 'We are living in the Final part of the Final day'
    making false claims about their knowledge, = GB calling themselves the Faithful & Discreet Slave.
    but that only they can lead disciples to him = You have to be a Baptised JW to be saved. 
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Wasn't Jesus' supposed parousia/advent to be recognized only by those who had spiritual insight at the time?   
    Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you, at the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man is seated on the throne of his glory, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.  Matt 19:28
    There is no way they could “judge the twelve tribes of Israel” - the anointed, who lived throughout a 2,000 year period, unless they were in heaven with Christ.
    1 Cor 6:3 – “Don't you know that we will judge angels -- how much more matters of this life?”
    Eph 2:26 – “He also raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavens in Christ Jesus”
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    Witness reacted to 4Jah2me in Furuli's new e-book: "My Beloved Religion - And The Governing Body"   
    @Arauna I go back to it as it is still ongoing Earth wide. The investigations and probably the child sexual abuse too. And the GB and their lawyers are still withholding the 20 + year database from the Superior Authorities that they tell you to obey.  I am sad for all JWs that think they know 'truth' but do not, and that continue to be part of such an immoral Organisation. You call it hatred but in fact I find it revolting that your leaders are so dishonest in nearly everything they say and do.   Lets be honest your GB did not spread the word earth wide, it was done many years before them. Your GB run a business. Real Estate and hiding money offshore. In my opinion the JW Org /CCJW is known for bad things earth wide, not good things. You may say that is because the Devil is fighting against the Organisation, but my point is, that your GB are creating bad publicity for them selves and for the CCJW. What this means in reality is that your GB are stumbling people. They are not making it easy for people to take an interest in God through the CCJW. Once again, in my opinion, the CCJW is not seen as different or better than other religions, because they are not showing a good high standard of morality above other religions, and they are pushing the idea of the 'Final part of the Final day' too much as if to frighten people. The CCJW is not the only non-trinitarian religion and not the only religion that believes in the coming Judgement. 

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    Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. I do seriously worry about JWs being physically attacked on the ministry (when it returns), because many people are now fully aware of the CSA within the Org. And as the GB do not wish to apologise for it, then it really does make it look as if they do not care. I've used the words 'Collateral damage' many times, and it seriously does look as if the GB and many JWs just look at it that way. When I was a JW I never saw it from both sides. Now I have left the CCJW I can view it from both sides as I have the experience of both sides. 
     
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    Witness reacted to 4Jah2me in The Mental Health of Jehovah’s witnesses   
    @Arauna Well I do know that JWs do suffer with depression because they are restricted so much in their words and actions. They can't even choose how to dress themselves. They worry constantly about being shunned or disfellowshipped for the least little thing. And then they have to 'put on a happy face' for the sake of others. It is such an unnatural lifestyle it makes them depressed. There are so many that are now physically in but emotionally/mentally out because they cannot bear the thought of being totally alone if they leave. 
    Now if the GB / CCJW said, 'you can leave and everyone can still continue to be your friend', then I'm sure there would be a massive reduction of 'members of the club'. But of course the GB are frightened to lose members as it means loss of money and loss of 'face'. 
    I can fully understand 'pushing out' a person that repeatedly sins against GOD, but that is not what happens in many cases. And the falseness of saying that 'So and so, is no longer one of JWs' instead of saying So and so has chosen to leave the CCJW. It turns the person that leaves into a complete 'sinner' which many are not. 
    I also know that quite a few Elders 'step down' from their positions because of depression too. Well here in the south of England anyway. Maybe not in America because Americans love their power over people. 
    So yes many JWs suffer with depression due to the rules and teachings of MEN. Of course another thing JWs are taught is 'denial', so you may not agree with my comments as you may have been brainwashed into ignoring those who are suffering within the Org. Like I say most put on the 'happy face' but under that they are depressed. 
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    Witness got a reaction from Arauna in Witness & Pearl Doxsey   
    "Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true."  Acts 17:11
    Have you done this?  I have.  I do not swallow down anyone's teachings any longer, without using the scriptures to verify if that person's teachings are true.  
    Allen, just as your identities on here are many, yet you deny their existence, your leaders deny the existence of their own lies.  And you continue to follow them; which shows that birds of a feather, flock together - whether in truth, or in lies.  
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Witness & Pearl Doxsey   
    "Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true."  Acts 17:11
    Have you done this?  I have.  I do not swallow down anyone's teachings any longer, without using the scriptures to verify if that person's teachings are true.  
    Allen, just as your identities on here are many, yet you deny their existence, your leaders deny the existence of their own lies.  And you continue to follow them; which shows that birds of a feather, flock together - whether in truth, or in lies.  
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Was Satan the Devil already Released from the Abyss?   
    Revelation only gives one account of the appearance of Gog and Magog.  Geoffrey Jackson says this happens during Armageddon.  That means, it cannot happen after Armageddon and into the Kingdom of God. Gog and Magog do not appear twice.  So, he has made up his own narrative by saying another "test" will arrive after Armageddon.  And all JWs should be challenging his teaching.
     "For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit, 19 by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison, 20 who formerly were disobedient, when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water." 1 Pet 3:18-20
    or, “ ‘Who will descend into the abyss?’ ” (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead).”  Rom 10:7
     “For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to [Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ]hell (“Tartarus”)  and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; 5 and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly”   2 Pet 2:4-5
    αρταρόω tartaróō, tar-tar-o'-o; from Τάρταρος Tártaros (the deepest abyss of Hades)
    “Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; 3 and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years were finished.”  Rev 20:1-3
    “Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison”  Rev 20:7
    They are one in the same.   
    You must be suffering some confusion about "hell" being translated as "Tartarus", since your doctrine says, it is the "common grave of mankind".  When Jesus died, he was in the abyss as Paul brought out - the "bottomless pit" of darkness.
    Wow. To think that a God of love is the source of wicked testing.  
     
    God is not the source of testing.  Remember, he warned Adam and Eve about resisting the “forbidden fruit”.  He gave them free will to choose.  It is Satan who desires to destroy all life, who is the source of our tests.  He was that “tree of knowledge.”
    “Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am being tempted by God,” for God cannot be tempted with evil, and He himself tempts no one.”  James 1:13
     
    Since God always warns us of impending disaster for our actions, in your “thousand years” to come, will He warn you of Satan’s deceitful “test” that you will face?  Since you believe this test will arrive long into the Kingdom, then there should be warning about its happening.  I only see warning in the scriptures about Satan's final test happening now.
    Should I call you a false teacher for saying that God is the source of our testing?  Well, that's debatable.  I know you are influenced by false teachers, but as Jesus warns all of us - 
    "For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.”  Matt 12:37
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from César Chávez in Was Satan the Devil already Released from the Abyss?   
    I'm just borrowing your quote, not necessarily directing my comment to you.
    In this video ,”Gog of Magog” is mentioned as coming against JWs or “God’s people” during Armageddon, since apparently by that time, no other religion will be in existence.  So, JWs are basically surrounded by "Gog of Magog".  It then mentions, the thousand-year reign of Christ begins. 
    Geoffrey Jackson states, “that destruction of the wicked will usher in the thousand year reign of Jesus Christ. After the final test at the end of the thousand years, what will be the situation…?”
    He doesn’t say how that final test will come about.  It must be a surprise for JWs to find out…in time!
    But really, how could he dare mention it, when God’s Word says,
    “Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. 9 They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them. 10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.”  Rev 20:7-10 
    Hmmm.  Maybe the GB really believe that the "thousand years" has ended, and Satan has been let loose out of the abyss to deceive God's saints. 
    “Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There!’ do not believe it. 24 For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you beforehand."  Matt 24:23,24
    I can't link the video successfully, but it can be found under "Programs and Events", the Annual Meeting for 2018, where Geoffrey Jackson gives his part.  
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