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    Witness got a reaction from 4Jah2me in 1st Century Christians, Leaders, Apostle Paul Letters to the congregations.   
    Yes, it is true.  By reading Malachi 3, we can see that this “Elijah”/messenger stresses the purification from sin as John the Baptist did;  and the reuniting of God’s anointed priests, who are the Body of Christ:
    “I will send my messenger, who will prepare the way before me. Then suddenly the Lord you are seeking will come to his temple; the messenger of the covenant, whom you desire, will come,” says the Lord Almighty.
    2 But who can endure the day of his coming? Who can stand when he appears? For he will be like a refiner’s fire or a launderer’s soap. 3 He will sit as a refiner and purifier of silver; he will purify the Levites and refine them like gold and silver. (Rev 3:18) Then the Lord will have men who will bring offerings in righteousness, 4 and the offerings of Judah and Jerusalem will be acceptable to the Lord, as in days gone by, as in former years."
    After the Jews were released from captivity of Babylon, Nehemiah, Ezra, Haggai, Zechariah, Malachi and Zerubabbel, all had a part in the restoration of the Temple; which restored pure worship to the people.  The WT use to believe the anointed were an “Elijah class”; and through them, pure worship was restored:
    2002/5/1 pg 22
     Malachi’s prophecy showed that this great Elijah work would be done before “the great and fear-inspiring day of Jehovah.” That day concludes with the rapidly approaching war of the great day of God the Almighty, at Armageddon. This means that the end of this wicked system of things and the beginning of the Millennial Reign of God’s heavenly Kingdom under the enthroned Jesus Christ would be preceded by a work corresponding to the activity of Elijah. True to that prophecy, before Jehovah destroys this wicked system, the modern-day Elijah class, supported by millions of fellow Christians with an earthly hope, enthusiastically carry on the work of restoring pure worship, exalting the name of Jehovah, and teaching Bible truths to sheeplike ones.
     
    I believe it was in 2015, A mere thirteen years later, the “Elijah class” became defunct. From the book, “Jesus, the Way, the Truth, the Life” pg 145:
    Elijah’s appearance in the vision raises a question. “Why,” the apostles ask, “do the scribes say that Elijah must come first?” Jesus replies: “Elijah has already come, and they did not recognize him.” ( Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ) Jesus is speaking about John the Baptist, who fulfilled a role similar to Elijah’s. Elijah prepared the way for Elisha, and John did so for Christ. 
    There is no focus on an “Elijah” in the last days.  Deftly, they have dismissed both Matt 17:11 and Mark 9:12
    11 Jesus replied, “To be sure, Elijah comes and will restore all things.
    Jesus replied, “To be sure, Elijah does come first, and restores all things. Why then is it written that the Son of Man must suffer much and be rejected?”
    Obviously, these scriptures were clearly observed in the Wt. for many years, but now, they choose not to recognize them; either from spiritual blindness, or self-preservation and survival of their idol.  I believe it to be both.  
    These scriptures have to do with the anointed priests as the living temple.  (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; 2 Cor 6)  “Restoration” of God’s Temple today would require a bonding of the anointed, of which they are told not to do by GB/elders.  It would require their having a voice concerning whether teachings are in harmony with truth; which is impossible when they are not to “challenge” the GB’s decisions.   It would require their position as a priesthood as active, offering to God the “daily sacrifices” that were removed by the “Gentile” elder body that they presently must obey. (Dan 8:11)  Their bonding under one Head, Jesus Christ, would restore “pure worship” to the people.  (Mal 2:7) It would restore Truth in Christ. (John 15:4)
    Instead, the temple has been given over to the “Gentile” elder body. (Ezek 44:6-9; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2)
    Restoration happens outside of the Wt through those anointed who been “killed” by the Beast/organization  (Rev 13:15; 11:13,7 ) They who join together in truth, are the “remnant” found faithful to Christ; yet, their spiritual "death" proves they are victorious over the "Beast".  (Rev 15:2-4)  
    Ironically, the new book, Pure Worship of Jehovah—Restored At Last! centers on Ezekiel’s prophesy and how to, “worship Jehovah in the way that he approves, bringing our lives into harmony with his lofty standards.” (from the letter from the GB)
    When I think of the sins against victims of pedophiles alone, my stomach churns when reading such arrogance.  But also, have the organization’s leaders brought their lives into harmony with God’s “lofty standards” through Christ concerning God’s Temple?  If they were loyal to Christ and the Father, and not to themselves, they would not “beat their fellow slave” for rejecting their spiritual food – their spiritual ‘commerce’. Matt 24:48-51; Rev 13:11,16,17) They would “restore” God’s Temple, instead of trampling it down and causing “truth” to be thrown to the ground. (Dan 8:12)
    Instead, the governing leaders promote their growing idol, built on a foundation of lies and 'blaspheming' God's Temple/sanctuary as they do so. (Matt 7:26; Rev 13:1,2,5-8)
    Prophets are part of God’s Temple foundation (Eph 2:20-22); the apostles as prophets as well as all the prophets from old.  They spoke God’s truth, which is what the “city of God”, "New Jerusalem" is – a holy "city" of Truth. 
    This is what the LORD says: “I will return to Zion and dwell in Jerusalem. Then Jerusalem will be called the City of Truth, and the mountain of the LORD of Hosts will be called the Holy Mountain.”  Zech 8:3
    The “Elijah”/"Moses" Jesus sends in the last days is spoken of in Rev 11:1-3.  The result of that one’s call and all who join this “Elijah”, "measure” the Temple by speaking Christ's truth.  Each member/living stone is “measured” in this way, proving their worth before God.   
    They are measured according to God’s standards of Truth, through Jesus Christ, not according to those of men. (Matt 25:1-13)
    Dear Kosonen, I hope that you, as a “living stone” of  God’s Temple, (1 Pet 2:5,9) perceive that this restoration is more important than anything occurring within in the world of politics and religion.
     
     
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    Witness reacted to 4Jah2me in ACTS 2 V 16, 17 & 18 IN THE FINAL PART OF THE DAYS   
    ACTS 2 V 16 , 17  & 18.
     On the contrary, this is what was said through the prophet Joel: 17  ‘“And in the last days,” God says, “I will pour out some of my spirit on every sort of flesh, and your sons and your daughters will prophesy and your young men will see visions and your old men will dream dreams, Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  18  and even on my male slaves and on my female slaves I will pour out some of my spirit in those days, and they will prophesy
    Jerusalem had the end of it's 'last days' in 70 C. E. But prior to that a 'miracle' happened.  Acts 2 v 1 through 11.
     Now while the day of the Festival of Pentecost was in progress, they were all together at the same place. 2  Suddenly there was a noise from heaven, just like that of a rushing, stiff breeze, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting. 3  And tongues as if of fire became visible to them and were distributed, and one came to rest on each one of them, 4  and they all became filled with holy spirit and started to speak in different languages, just as the spirit enabled them to speak.5  At that time devout Jews from every nation under heaven were staying in Jerusalem. 6  So when this sound occurred, a crowd gathered and was bewildered, because each one heard them speaking in his own language. 7  Indeed, they were utterly amazed and said: “See here, all these who are speaking are Gal·i·leʹans, are they not? 8  How is it, then, that each one of us is hearing his own native language? 9  Parʹthi·ans, Medes, Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  and Eʹlam·ites, the inhabitants of Mes·o·po·taʹmi·a, Ju·deʹa and Cap·pa·doʹci·a, Ponʹtus and the province of Asia, 10  Phrygʹi·a and Pam·phylʹi·a, Egypt and the regions of Libʹy·a near Cy·reʹne, sojourners from Rome, both Jews and proselytes, Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  11  Creʹtans, and Arabians—we hear them speaking in our languages about the magnificent things of God.
    We are again in 'the last days', so why would you be surprised if God should pour out some of HIS SPIRIT on a true Anointed group of humans. 
    Where is your faith ? Do you no longer believe in God's power ? Do you no longer believe that God can do 'miracles' ?
    Your GB have admitted to NOT BEING INSPIRED OF HOLY SPIRIT.
    Yet here we have in scripture, God's promise that HE WILL POUR OUT SOME OF HIS SPIRIT in the 'last days'. 
    Are we in those LAST DAYS or not ? Do you expect God to act or not ? Or are you just physical men ? 
    Have you lost your 'spiritual eyes' ? Did you in fact even have 'spiritual eyes' ? Are you relying on men and not on God through Christ ? 
     
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    Witness got a reaction from 4Jah2me in Institutions Who Haven’t Signed For Redress May Be Stripped of Charity Status   
    "The ruthless will vanish,
        the mockers will disappear,
        and all who have an eye for evil will be cut down—
    21 those who with a word make someone out to be guilty,
        who ensnare the defender in court
        and with false testimony deprive the innocent of justice."  Isa 29:20,21
     
     
    Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.   Government will strip the charity status from churches who miss the National Redress Scheme deadline
    Minister for Families and Social Services, 
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    Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Senator Ruston said the government had accepted “every recommendation that we are able to accept” in its response to the standing committee’s recommendations for the Scheme it returned on Monday, and that it should be announced publicly within 48 hours.
    She also said about 700 victims’ applications have had to be put on hold because there is no organisation signed up to match them with. 
    Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. One major group which has not signed up to the Redress Scheme is the Jehovah’s Witnesses (the JW’s). The Royal Commission heard that 1,006 plausible complaints of child sexual abuse had been received by the JW’s in Australia but no alleged perpetrators had been reported to the police. It appears that the JW’s would have a substantial financial exposure if it joined the Scheme.
    Alternatively, the JW’s may be stripped of its charity status if it fails to sign up by the 30 June 2020 deadline.
    The JW’s have refused to remove sex offenders from congregations unless the victim can produce a second witness. The organisation was criticized for its ‘Second Witness Rule’ by the Royal Commission.
    The JW’s global operations are controlled by a Governing Body of eight men from JW headquarters in Warwick, New York State, USA. The decision to join or not to join the Redress Scheme is the responsibility of the US Governing Body.
    JW’s have a history of distrust of the government, refusing to vote and avoiding military service. They are banned in China, Russia, Singapore and most Muslim majority countries. They are most active in the USA, Mexico and Brazil. JW’s were once banned in Canada.
    On the other hand, Hillsong Church and the leading Pentecostal umbrella group, Australian Christian Churches, have all signed up to the National Redress Scheme. (Hillsong Church is now a separate legal entity from ACC).
    The addition of non-government institutions, including Hillsong Church, Australian Christian Churches (ACC), C3 Churches, Churches of Christ, Baptists, Christian Schools Australia and Barnardo’s Australia, has more than doubled the number of non-government groups in the scheme from 67 to 162 in one year.
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Institutions Who Haven’t Signed For Redress May Be Stripped of Charity Status   
    "The ruthless will vanish,
        the mockers will disappear,
        and all who have an eye for evil will be cut down—
    21 those who with a word make someone out to be guilty,
        who ensnare the defender in court
        and with false testimony deprive the innocent of justice."  Isa 29:20,21
     
     
    Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.   Government will strip the charity status from churches who miss the National Redress Scheme deadline
    Minister for Families and Social Services, 
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    Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Senator Ruston said the government had accepted “every recommendation that we are able to accept” in its response to the standing committee’s recommendations for the Scheme it returned on Monday, and that it should be announced publicly within 48 hours.
    She also said about 700 victims’ applications have had to be put on hold because there is no organisation signed up to match them with. 
    Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. One major group which has not signed up to the Redress Scheme is the Jehovah’s Witnesses (the JW’s). The Royal Commission heard that 1,006 plausible complaints of child sexual abuse had been received by the JW’s in Australia but no alleged perpetrators had been reported to the police. It appears that the JW’s would have a substantial financial exposure if it joined the Scheme.
    Alternatively, the JW’s may be stripped of its charity status if it fails to sign up by the 30 June 2020 deadline.
    The JW’s have refused to remove sex offenders from congregations unless the victim can produce a second witness. The organisation was criticized for its ‘Second Witness Rule’ by the Royal Commission.
    The JW’s global operations are controlled by a Governing Body of eight men from JW headquarters in Warwick, New York State, USA. The decision to join or not to join the Redress Scheme is the responsibility of the US Governing Body.
    JW’s have a history of distrust of the government, refusing to vote and avoiding military service. They are banned in China, Russia, Singapore and most Muslim majority countries. They are most active in the USA, Mexico and Brazil. JW’s were once banned in Canada.
    On the other hand, Hillsong Church and the leading Pentecostal umbrella group, Australian Christian Churches, have all signed up to the National Redress Scheme. (Hillsong Church is now a separate legal entity from ACC).
    The addition of non-government institutions, including Hillsong Church, Australian Christian Churches (ACC), C3 Churches, Churches of Christ, Baptists, Christian Schools Australia and Barnardo’s Australia, has more than doubled the number of non-government groups in the scheme from 67 to 162 in one year.
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    Witness reacted to Kosonen in 1st Century Christians, Leaders, Apostle Paul Letters to the congregations.   
    Yes that is a real problem. I don't think that is right that the GB tells to trust them and punishes jws if they tell aloud that they think the GB is wrong in some issues. It is so ridiculous that if you have a doctrinal question to the elders, the only answer the elders will give is what has been written in the litterature and if there is no answer in the litterature to clarify a question, then they say to wait on Jehovah. It is so ridiculous that elders and even circuit overseers will categorically refuse to reason on scriptures that show that a particular current JW doctrine is wrong.
    Yes, really christians can survive spiritually without a JW GB. 
    And Jesus told parabels about his slaves that got minas, and talents. And in these parabels Jesus sends these slaves directly himself without any middle man, such as GB. And when Jesus returns, then he himself will settle accounts with his slaves. So Jesus' slaves will not have a GB as master when he returns. 
    Yes, everything points to the fact that the final years up to Jesus' return there will not exist any GB. 
    Instead it looks like a single faithful and discreet slave will get the responibility to feed JWs the final years up to Jesus' return.
    In Malachi, there is a prophecy that a modern day Elijah will come before the great and awe-inspiring day of Jehovah.
     
    Malachi 4:5  “Look! I am sending to you E·liʹjah the prophet+ before the coming of the great and awe-inspiring day of Jehovah.+ 6  And he will turn the hearts of fathers back toward sons,+ and the hearts of sons back toward fathers, so that I may not come and strike the earth, devoting it to destruction.”
    Yes, really as you have realized, there was no such Governing Body in the first century as the GB of JWs. The GB of JWs is more like the Jewish Sanhedrin that was in religious charge until Jesus came. 
    In the Christian Greek scriptures I have only found once that a doctrinal matter was resolved by a group of apostles and elders of Jerusalem. 
    The rest was already established by Jesus, while he was on earth and by individual letters from apostels and other writers of the Christian Greek scriptures.
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    Witness got a reaction from 4Jah2me in "MAJOR BREAKING NEWS - Fundamental Watchtower Doctrines Out"   
    Yes, anyone, anointed or not anointed, can leave Christ and become disobedient to his teachings.  Demas is a good example of someone who left Jesus’ teachings for the “things in the world” – the world at that time period and its religious environment.   2 Tim 4:10; 1 John 2:15
    I agree that in the first century there were people chosen by God through the anointing of Holy Spirit as “firstfruits” – the first of the children of God.  They were those whom Christ promised to send with good news (John 13:20; Matt 10:14; James 1:18)  And many became believers in Christ who were baptized with water. They received Jesus and understood his words, through the blessing of Holy Spirit.  Acts 2:38-41  The last supper of Christ was attended by only his close disciples - it was they who entered the "New Covenant".  Many believed in Christ and were baptized, but he did not invite all to be his Bride; who as the fulfilled covenant of life, would with Christ bring life to all in the Kingdom.   (Isa 42:6; 2:2-4; John 15:16; Luke 2:32; Acts 13:47; Rom 4:13; Rev 21:1-4)  All believers receive the promise of life through the New Covenant, but at different times.  
    Paul stated:
    “For the creation waits in eager expectation for the children of God to be revealed. 20 For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope 21 that the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the freedom and glory of the children of God.  We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time. 23 Not only so, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption to sonship, the redemption of our bodies.” Rom 8:19-23 (Zech 4:8-10)
    With that revealing of the Bride/anointed sons of “Israel”/”144,000”, “freedom and glory” comes to the rest of God’s children in the Kingdom.  Rev 22:17
    The problem is what the GB is telling all of you.  It appears to me that Splane is building a case to give credence for a change about to happen. The more I ponder on it, the more it appears that the 144,000 teaching as applying to just the anointed will be eliminated.  Here is the foundation for the stage being set: 
    WT 2016, Jan. pg 24-26
    Jehovah began choosing anointed ones after Jesus was resurrected. It seems that in the first century, all true Christians were anointed. For hundreds of years after that, most of those who said that they were Christians did not really follow Christ. Even so, during those years, Jehovah anointed those few who were true Christians. 
    Four years later, we find almost word-for-word, the same quote:
    WT 2020, Jan. pg 30-31: 
    Jehovah began choosing anointed ones after Jesus was resurrected. It seems that in the first century, all true Christians were anointed. In the centuries that followed, most of those who claimed that they were Christians did not really follow Christ. Even so, during those years, Jehovah anointed the few who were true Christians. 
     
    In his talk, Splane compares the numbers of growth of only anointed in the first century, to the amount of newly baptized ones from 1983 onward; emphasizing again, the number “144,000” which ordinarily applies to the anointed in WT's teachings.  
    I believe the question is, what will JWs think if the teaching is dropped totally.  What will the anointed who are with you, feel about this?   Already, there is no anointed priesthood utilized by God in the organization, except for the GB. (1 Pet 2:5,9; Mal 2:7)  Elders are honored, while anointed are told to be humble and quiet.  They are told not to share their anointing with anyone, or to bond together as an anointed group.  (Isa 29:4)
    “And I will keep on doing what I am doing in order to cut the ground from under those who want an opportunity to be considered equal with us in the things they boast about.” 2 Cor 11:2
    And, elders not anointed have the authority to judge an anointed/dwelling of God’s Spirit/ as deserving of a spiritual death. (1 Cor 3:16,17) (John 16:2; Rom 14:4; Rev 13:15) 
    Splane remarks that there are no gifts of the spirit, but "Gentile" elders not of “Israel” are somehow appointed by God as your leaders, as “gifts in men”.  Can you imagine any anointed ones in the first century tolerating this type of oppression against them?
    “I wrote to the church, but Diotrephes, who loves to have the preeminence among them, does not receive us. 10 Therefore, if I come, I will call to mind his deeds which he does, talking nonsense against us with malicious words. And not content with that, he himself does not receive the brethren, and forbids those who wish to, putting them out of the church.”  3 John 1:9-10
    God's priesthood is conquered in the last days, not by a literal army holding guns, but by malicious, blasphemous words against them. (Rev 13:5-7) (Num 18:7; 2 Chron 13:9)  Already, it has been mentioned by the elders that every JW is part of the Body of Christ, which was once truthfully, taught as comprised of the anointed “Bride” to come. (1 Cor chapter 12; 2 Cor 11:2; Eph 2:20-22)  If all JWs are subsequently told they are the “temple” of God, as S. Herd has stated, there will be very little difference between WT’s teachings and those in Christendom. The Temple, dwelling of God, is the symbolic 144,000.  (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; 2 Cor 6:16; Eph 2:20-22; Rev 14:1)
    God's holy people have only been conquered by any nation, when they have sinned.  This was the result of false teachings and idolatry.  Since the organization holds out the promise of salvation over and above Jesus Christ alone, (John 14:6) what do you think God and Christ feel about the actions of their anointed priesthood today submitting to lies said about them?  Who are the anointed ones fallen from God's favor?  Isn't it those who preach falsehoods that you admittedly recognize?  (Rev 8:10,11; 17:1; 13:11; Matt 24:24)
    False prophets were among God’s people in the past, as false teachers will be among you. They will secretly bring in their own destructive teachings. They will deny the Lord, who has bought them, and they will bring themselves swift destruction. 2 Many people will follow them in their destructive waysand will cause others to dishonor the way of truth. 3 In their greed they will use good-sounding arguments to exploit you. The verdict against them from long ago is still in force, and their destruction is not asleep."  2 Pet 2:1-3
     Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.”  Acts 4:12
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Shiwiii in "MAJOR BREAKING NEWS - Fundamental Watchtower Doctrines Out"   
    You are so polished at blame-shifting, not even addressing the topic.  It's okay that you are lied to, by men who are getting rich through their tried and true scheming methods that fleece the flock. I've known many a JW who became involved in "get rich quick" schemes, struggling to make ends meet and promised lucrative returns; but instead,  being taken by their own spiritual brothers.  I suppose they will pay also, just as you say Winston will?
    But, lets sweep all of WT's lies under the carpet with their pedophile issues, their failed doctrines taught for years; and  new doctrine that JWs swallow down with no problem, because they are so use to being lied to.  Let's focus on Winston instead.   
      
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Shiwiii in "MAJOR BREAKING NEWS - Fundamental Watchtower Doctrines Out"   
    Oh dear. I know you think I'm nuts, suffering from WDS, (should you trademark this?), but I think you've been ingesting too much of WT's twisted teachings. 🙂 Oh, that could also be a sign of WDS!  That's right, I remember you said the sword cuts both ways.  I do care for you, and I wonder just why you remain "in" there.  The Kingdom will not arrive on the wings of the WT, but maybe it doesn't matter to you one way or the other.  
     
     
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in BRAZIL: WATCH TOWER CLAIM RAID ON PREMISES UNLAWFUL   
    If WT is not able to control their own people behavior .....let them dfd all, all those who are out of control :)))))))
    Now, let us be serious. Systematic program of Elder Body Judicial Committee is to put people's (bad or not bad, question is open) behavior inside controlled boarders. Boarders are made by Bible Principles and by WT human rules. Sometimes they are in collision, but that is another issue. 
    It would be nice to see all those "clear instruction/s" about CSA issue from, as you said 50's to nowadays. I am sure how WT organization made few "clarification" about same issue because "light getting brighter" from day to day. Do you or some other people here have some time to show us documented "progress" or "invariable instructions" on this subject in that period of about 70 years? Articles, magazines, BOE and CO letters and other inside official and unofficial conversations of those who creating organizational policy. 
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    Witness got a reaction from 4Jah2me in "MAJOR BREAKING NEWS - Fundamental Watchtower Doctrines Out"   
    David Splane continues:
    “By the end of the century, he certainly had shown he had blessed the efforts of the brothers, do you know that every year since 1983 more than 144,000 have been baptized each year and our brothers today don’t have the gifts of the spirit. 
    So what does this indicate?  It indicates that Jehovah has made a mighty outpouring of his spirit in these last days.  It’s a marvelous thing to behold.  When you think of it, we sort of had our explanation backwards in the past, because in the past the idea was that the spirit was poured out in 1919 and the locust went to work because the locust were Jehovah’s people.  But that’s not what the Bible says, is it.  The Bible says the locust finished their work and after that the spirit is poured out. “
    The change in the locust identity was made in 2019.  The “mighty outpouring” of holy spirit has now become evident as beginning in 1983 onward. 
    This was the teaching of the locust in 1989:
    Joel’s prophecy gives us even more food for thought. Why, “the great and fear-inspiring day of Jehovah” is imminent! Mankind must be warned. Like the locusts in Joel’s prophecy, Jehovah’s Witnesses devastate Christendom by relentlessly exposing her spiritually barren state. This arouses the fury and opposition of her leaders, but any wall-like obstacles they try to set in the path of the symbolic locusts prove ineffective. Jehovah has poured out his spirit upon his people, equipping them to announce his judgments. Therefore, in the short time remaining before God’s fear-inspiring day, let us have a full share in helping others to ‘call on the name of Jehovah so as to get away safe.’
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    The same year - 1989 “They have a modern Governing Body of older Christian men from various parts of the earth who give needed oversight to the worldwide activities of God's people. these men, like the apostles and older men in Jerusalem in the first century, are anointed members of the faithful and discreet slave class designated by Jesus to care for all of his Kingdom interests here upon earth. History has proved that they can be trusted to follow the direction of the holy spirit and that they do not rely on human wisdom in teaching the flock of God the ways of genuine peace. (The Watchtower; Dec. 15, 1989; p. 6)
    Well, no.  They can’t be trusted whatsoever, because THEY taught that JW “locusts” were devastating Christendom in 1989, six years after Splane says the Holy Spirit was beginning to be “poured out” onto the organization. 
    They rely totally on human wisdom.  There is a Spirit of Truth and a spirit of falsehood. (1 John 4:6) David Splane harbors the spirit of falsehood.  Luke 6:45
     
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    Witness got a reaction from 4Jah2me in "MAJOR BREAKING NEWS - Fundamental Watchtower Doctrines Out"   
    You are so polished at blame-shifting, not even addressing the topic.  It's okay that you are lied to, by men who are getting rich through their tried and true scheming methods that fleece the flock. I've known many a JW who became involved in "get rich quick" schemes, struggling to make ends meet and promised lucrative returns; but instead,  being taken by their own spiritual brothers.  I suppose they will pay also, just as you say Winston will?
    But, lets sweep all of WT's lies under the carpet with their pedophile issues, their failed doctrines taught for years; and  new doctrine that JWs swallow down with no problem, because they are so use to being lied to.  Let's focus on Winston instead.   
      
     
     
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    Witness reacted to JJJ-AUSTRALIA in "MAJOR BREAKING NEWS - Fundamental Watchtower Doctrines Out"   
    The things that comes out of the mouth of this GB 🤦🏻‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤷‍♂️, are we just plain ignorant all for believing this utter nonsense in the past.... 
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    Witness got a reaction from 4Jah2me in "MAJOR BREAKING NEWS - Fundamental Watchtower Doctrines Out"   
    @4Jah2me, I think you understand the role of the anointed as the holy priesthood and "living stones" of God's Temple. (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:19-22)    Samuel Herd once said, "all" JWs are part of God's Temple, not just the anointed ones.  This also, leads me to believe that the "144,000" doctrine is soon to change.  
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    Witness reacted to 4Jah2me in BRAZIL: WATCH TOWER CLAIM RAID ON PREMISES UNLAWFUL   
    And you wanting to hide Paedophiles in JW Org and not caring about victims of Child Sexual Abuse, says a lot about you, and about the GB and JW Org. The lawless men, that break God's laws, are the GB and the Elders. 
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    Witness reacted to JJJ-AUSTRALIA in BRAZIL: WATCH TOWER CLAIM RAID ON PREMISES UNLAWFUL   
    Because they have something to hide, if not they shouldn't be afraid of anything... 
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    Witness reacted to 4Jah2me in BRAZIL: WATCH TOWER CLAIM RAID ON PREMISES UNLAWFUL   
    Matthew 5 v 38 through 42.
    “You heard that it was said: ‘Eye for eye and tooth for tooth.’ Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  39  However, I say to you: Do not resist the one who is wicked, but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other also to him. Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  40  And if a person wants to take you to court and get possession of your inner garment, let him also have your outer garment; Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  41  and if someone in authority compels you into service for a mile, go with him two miles. 42  Give to the one asking you, and do not turn away from one who wants to borrow from you.
    I think Jesus made it clear that those serving God properly should not resist the Authorities of the world. Those Superior Authorities are placed in their position by God. 
    “Let every soul be in subjection to the superior authorities, for there is no authority except by God; the existing authorities stand placed in their relative positions by God.”—
    Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. . So why would JWs want to resist an investigation by the Superior Authorities if they have nothing to hide ? 
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    Witness got a reaction from 4Jah2me in Non-JW's Will Also Live in Paradise   
    I suppose these three young "Christians" jumping in front of a symbol, are not teaching fine works either.  

     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from 4Jah2me in BRAZIL: WATCH TOWER CLAIM RAID ON PREMISES UNLAWFUL   
    In case this hasn't been posted yet:
    In September 2019, the Branch of Jehovah’s Witnesses and a number of kingdom halls in São Paulo Brazil were raided by the Police, in search of documentary evidence of criminal activities relating to child sexual abuse. The Jehovah’s Witnesses claim that the raid was unlawful. Below is a translation of the  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. . They lost their appeal. The investigation into Jehovah’s Witnesses handling of child abuse at a branch level is ongoing.

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    Witness reacted to JJJ-AUSTRALIA in BRAZIL: WATCH TOWER CLAIM RAID ON PREMISES UNLAWFUL   
    The Watchtower is getting PROsecuted no PERsecuted all over the World. 
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    Witness got a reaction from James Thomas Rook Jr. in BRAZIL: WATCH TOWER CLAIM RAID ON PREMISES UNLAWFUL   
    In case this hasn't been posted yet:
    In September 2019, the Branch of Jehovah’s Witnesses and a number of kingdom halls in São Paulo Brazil were raided by the Police, in search of documentary evidence of criminal activities relating to child sexual abuse. The Jehovah’s Witnesses claim that the raid was unlawful. Below is a translation of the  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. . They lost their appeal. The investigation into Jehovah’s Witnesses handling of child abuse at a branch level is ongoing.

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    Witness got a reaction from 4Jah2me in Whats the meaning of Matthew 24:15?   
    You are right, it involves the “saints”/anointed today.
    The “constant feature” which has been removed, is otherwise called the “daily sacrifice”. (See NKJV for an example)  The early priests were in charge of offering sacrifices on behalf of the nation of Israel, and as teachers, it was their responsibility to teach them God’s laws.  Mal 2:7
    Today’s priests are to offer spiritual sacrifices of truth, and carry the laws of God on their heart.  Heb 8:10
    1 Pet 2:5,9 “you also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.”
    But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light"
    Heb 13:15 – “Therefore by Him let us continually offer the sacrifice of praise to God, that is, the fruit of our lips, giving thanks to His name. 
     The anointed are the “temple”, as well as its members:
    "Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?  If anyone defiles (destroys) the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which temple you are." 1 Cor 3:16,17
     "Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.”  2 Thess 2:3,4
    You can see that the “disgusting thing standing in the holy place” is the “man of sin”, or “lawlessness”.  The word, “sits” refers to a form of rule:
    to set, appoint, to confer a kingdom on one
    The “disgusting thing”/man of lawlessness rules over the “holy place”/temple/anointed ones.  It’s presence in God’s Temple profanes the sanctuary/dwelling place of God:
    “He began to speak blasphemies against God: to blaspheme His name and His dwelling (tabernacle, moveable temple/”living stones”)—those who dwell in heaven. 7 And he was permitted to wage war against the saints and to conquer them. He was also given authority over every tribe, people, language, and nation.”  Rev 13:6,7
    The scriptures use the symbolic “times”, it doesn't mean literal years. 
    “Then I heard the man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand to heaven, and swore by Him who lives forever, that it shall be for a time, times, and half a time; and when the power of the holy people has been completely shattered, all these things shall be finished.”  Dan 12:7
    The power of the saints is shattered by the removal of their “daily sacrifice”, their responsibilities as priests are taken away. 
    “Say to the rebellious people, the house of Israel: This is what the Lord God says: I have had enough of all your detestable practices, house of Israel. 7 When you brought in foreigners, uncircumcised in both heart and flesh, to occupy My sanctuary, you defiled My temple while you offered My food—the fat and the blood. You broke My covenant by all your detestable practices. 8 You have not kept charge of My holy things but have appointed others to keep charge of My sanctuary for you.”  “This is what the Lord God says: No foreigner, uncircumcised in heart and flesh, may enter My sanctuary, not even a foreigner who is among the Israelites.    Ezek 44:6-9
    Num.16:3-11,18,20,21,35,40     
    This appointment would be the “man of lawlessness” sitting/ruling over the Temple of God. 
    “Have you not cast out the priests of the Lord, the sons of Aaron, and the Levites, and made for yourselves priests, like the peoples of other lands, so that whoever comes to consecrate himself with a young bull and seven rams may be a priest of things that are not gods?”  2 Chron 13:9
    So, the “disgusting thing” is an “abomination”, a “detestable practice” committed within the Temple.  Foreigners or “Gentiles” occupy the sanctuary as PRIESTS taking charge of the spiritual duties that only God's priests are to permitted to do.
    “But when you see the abomination of desolation standing where it should not be” (let the one who reads understand), “then those in Judea must flee to the mountains!”  Mark 13:14
    No one is to perform the priestly duties of “daily sacrifices” except God’s priests.  How does this happen today?
    w02 8/1 p. 13-14 “Representing the royal priesthood are appointed ELDERS, who serve in positions of responsibility in congregations of Jehovah’s people around the earth. These men deserve our respect and wholehearted support, whether they are of the anointed or not.   Rather than challenge their authority, we truly appreciate our hardworking elders! “
         "Have you not cast out the priests of the Lord, the sons of Aaron, and the Levites,       and made for yourselves priests, like the peoples of other lands"  2 Chron 13:9
         You have not kept charge of My holy things but have appointed others to keep       charge of My sanctuary for you.”  Eze 44:8
         “….And he was permitted to wage war against the saints and to conquer them.         Rev 13:7
    Can you see how the power of the holy ones has been ‘dashed to pieces’ or as some translations say, “brought to nothing" within your very own organization, where the anointed/"kings of the earth" are gathered? Rev 1:5; 5:9,10; Rev 16:13,14; 20:7-10
     
     
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    Witness reacted to 4Jah2me in Whats the meaning of Matthew 24:15?   
    In view of this it’s hard to deny that “the disgusting thing that causes desolation, as spoken about by Daniel the prophet, standing in a holy place” is something directed against or directly affects God’s “holy people” in the manner described by Daniel's prophecy.  (Mt 24:15)
    Well then it would appear to be the GB and JW Org, as they are acting against the true Anointed ones of the remnant. They have put the Elder body in place of the Anointed and have 'advised' the Anointed not to contact each other and not to have Bible studies together. 
    The GB are a false prophet. All the things they have prophesied have not happened. They continue to change the interpretation of scripture and admit to not being inspired of God. They are indeed a 'disgusting thing.. standing in a holy place'. 
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    Witness got a reaction from James Thomas Rook Jr. in WHY .... doesn't Jehovah God consider warfare ... murder?   
    “Then the chief priests, the scribes, and the elders of the people assembled at the palace of the high priest, who was called Caiaphas, 4 and plotted to take Jesus by trickery and kill Him.”  Matt 26:3,4
    Apokteinō – “kill”
    ἀποκτείνω apokteínō, ap-ok-ti'-no; from  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  and κτείνω kteínō (to slay); to kill outright; figuratively, to destroy:—put to death, kill, slay.
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    “You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.”  John 8:44
    Anthrōpoktonos – “murderer”
    ἀνθρωποκτόνος anthrōpoktónos, anth-ro-pok-ton'-os; from  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  and κτείνω kteínō(to kill); a manslayer:—murderer. Compare  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. .
    Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  φονεύς phoneús, fon-yooce'; from  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ; a murderer (always of criminal (or at least intentional) homicide; which  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  does not necessarily imply; while  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  is a special term for a public bandit):—murderer.
    Sounds like premeditated murder.
    “Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a Man attested by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs which God did through Him in your midst, as you yourselves also know— 23 Him, being delivered by the determined purpose and foreknowledge of God, you  have taken by lawless hands, have crucified, and put to death”  Act 2:22,23 
    Anaireō – “put to death”
    - ἀναιρέω anairéō, an-ahee-reh'-o; from  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  and (the active of)  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ; to take up, i.e. adopt; by implication, to take away (violently), i.e. abolish, murder:—put to death, kill, slay, take away, take up.
     
    But we remember:
     “Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it again. 18 No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This command I have received from My Father.”  John 10:17,18
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in GRAND JURY INVESTIGATORS ARE 'DEAD SERIOUS'   
    Yes, I do. 🙂 
    I understand that the only organization which the Father approves of, is the one built on Christ, the chief cornerstone.  Isa 43:10,21; 1 Pet 2:5,9,10; Heb 11:10; Rev 21:23; 22:5; Acts 7:48; Rom 8:9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 4:4
    I understand that Jesus began ruling in the first century and that the symbolic “thousand years” is over, and the Great Tribulation/Armageddon is here.  Ps 110:1,2; 1 Cor 15;24-28
    I understand that the WT is Satan's end time masterpiece, used to deceive the "remaining ones of the woman's seed". Gen 3:15; Dan 11:10; Rev 12:17,15; Matt 24:24; Acts 20:29; Col 2:8; Rev 13:10; 20:7-9
    I understand that the elder body is the “man of lawlessness” sitting in the Temple of God, “where it does not belong”.  Mark 13:14; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2; 1 Pet 2:5; Eph 2:21; 2 Cor 6:16; 1 Cor 3:16,17
    I understand that Jesus Christ, and the anointed as a “new creation” will “inherit the earth” as Abraham’s offspring, along with all of God’s children.  Gen 28:13,14; Ps 2:8; Col 1:16; Rom 4:13; Gal 3:16
    I understand the anointed “144,000” are both human and spirit. 2 Cor 5:17; 1 Cor 15:44; 1 Pet 1:23; John 3:5; 1 Cor 15:50; Rev 21:17
    I understand that every JW who truly desires to worship God in spirit and truth, should LEAVE the organization behind, including one’s “garment”/identity and “possessions”/teachings.  Matt 24:15-18; Luke 17:31-37; Rev 18:4-8
     
    Do you believe that the gift of "truth” from the Father and Christ, includes false and failed teachings? 
    "Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows."  James 1:17
    It is interesting that this scripture uses the phrase, "shifting shadows."  Darkness is always darkness.  Teachings that were never truth to begin with, can never be viewed as "light". "New light" is none other than a shifting shadow.  
     

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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in WHY .... doesn't Jehovah God consider warfare ... murder?   
    Just some comparisons for anyone interested:
    1 Sam 17:8-10
    Goliath stood and shouted to the ranks of Israel, “Why do you come out and line up for battle? Am I not a Philistine, and are you not the servants of Saul? Choose a man and have him come down to me. 9 If he is able to fight and kill me, we will become your subjects; but if I overcome him and kill him, you will become our subjects and serve us.” 10 Then the Philistine said, “This day I defy the armies of Israel! Give me a man and let us fight each other.”
    Nakah – “kill”
    נָכָה nâkâh, naw-kaw'; a primitive root; to strike (lightly or severely, literally or figuratively):—beat, cast forth, clap, give (wounds), × go forward, × indeed, kill, make (slaughter), murderer, punish, slaughter, slay(-er, -ing), smite(-r, -ing), strike, be stricken, (give) stripes, × surely, wound.
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    “They kill the widow and the resident alien and murder the fatherless.” Ps 94:6
    Harag – “kill”
    ג hârag, haw-rag'; a primitive root; to smite with deadly intent:—destroy, out of hand, kill, murder(-er), put to (death), make (slaughter), slay(-er), × surely.
    Ratsach – “murder”
    רָצַח râtsach, raw-tsakh'; a primitive root; properly, to dash in pieces, i.e. kill (a human being), especially to murder:—put to death, kill, (man-) slay(-er), murder(-er).
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     Hurriedly he called to his armor-bearer, “Draw your sword and kill me, so that they can’t say, ‘A woman killed him.’” So his servant ran him through, and he died.  Judges 9:54
    Muwth – “kill”
    מוּת mûwth, mooth; a primitive root; to die (literally or figuratively); causatively, to kill:—× at all, × crying, (be) dead (body, man, one), (put to, worthy of) death, destroy(-er), (cause to, be like to, must) die, kill, necro(-mancer), × must needs, slay, × surely, × very suddenly, × in (no) wise.
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    “You desire and do not have. You murder and covet and cannot obtain. You fight and wage war. You do not have because you do not ask.”  James 4:2
    Phoneuō - “murder”
    φονεύω phoneúō, fon-yoo'-o; from  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ; to be a murderer (of):—kill, do murder, slay.
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    “Therefore, indeed, I send you prophets, wise men, and scribes: some of them you will kill and crucify, and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues and persecute from city to city,”  Matt 23:34
    Apokteinō – “kill”
     †ἀποκτείνω apokteínō, ap-ok-ti'-no; from  Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content.  and κτείνω kteínō (to slay); to kill outright; figuratively, to destroy:—put to death, kill, slay.
     

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