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    Witness got a reaction from Pudgy in Is the Governing Body's "Life-Saving Direction" Based on the Word of God?   
    I do know better, and I apologized.  🙂  But do your leaders?  After how many years of failed teachings, do they know better?  
    "This is what the Lord of Armies says: Don’t listen to what the prophets are saying to you. They fill you with false hope. They speak about visions that they dreamed up. These visions are not from the Lord."             Jer 23:16
    What about you?  Do you know better not to listen to them?
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Is the Governing Body's "Life-Saving Direction" Based on the Word of God?   
    You’re right it was a sloppy choice!  Too good to be “true”!  I do apologize for not going to the source of the quote to double check it.  Accuracy in quoting the org. is important.  Funny though, the Wt’s sloppiness in making the prediction to begin with, never needed an apology – never needed a calling out by its members, when it failed and affected the lives of millions. 
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Is the Governing Body's "Life-Saving Direction" Based on the Word of God?   
    I agree that there will be a clear distinction between light and darkness, truth and lies and people must make their decision of which to follow (Mal 3:18; Joel 3:14; John 3:19-21), but are you thinking that the light of Christ, which are his words in scripture…which are the words of God…can involve falsehoods?  Failed teachings? That's impossible, isn't it?  Falsehoods stem from the devil, not Jesus Christ. (John 8:44) If one claims that Christ is leading JWs, then the GB's teachings would be just as reliable, just as lasting as his teachings; because, they are his teachings explained truthfully. (John 15:16) They would never cause disappointment to the listener seeking truth.  They would never include the doctrine of men, which an organization requires.  (Matt 24:24,25; 2 Pet 2:1; 1 Thess 2:13)
    In any other aspect of life, I am sure you would be upset if you found that you were being misled for any length of time by a lie, that you were once convinced was TRUTH.  How much more so, should you be upset to find that you were being told a spiritual lie by a religious leader.  
     Never would Jesus do such a thing.  Never would he mislead someone with “bad fruit”.   To believe he would offer unsound teachings, through someone he would send, is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. (John 13:20) 
     Do JWs believe that Christ’s admonitions, his commands, do not apply to your leaders? ( Matt 7:15-20)
    "However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come." John 16:13
    Please tell me where in this defunct doctrine, you find a glimmer of light, of truth, from the Spirit of truth:
    "The battle of Armageddon will be all over by the autumn of 1975. It may involve only a difference of weeks or months, but not years." (Why Are You Looking Forward to 1975, wt 8/15/1968).
    2 Tim 4:3-4
    The simplicity of Christ is pure light and truth, not something obscure, or shaky in its interpretation,  or 'not sound from a human standpoint'.  We are humans, and as humans we are told to "test the spirits" to make sure that what an anointed priest from Christ teaches is sound, nourishing "food" from the Father and the Son. ((Mal 2:7;1 John 4:1) 
     I gave scriptures that clarify truth in Christ is always sound –  always “healthy”.  Where in the scriptures can you verify that truth is not sound "from a human standpoint”  – unhealthy – and in the last days must be offered to those who desire to know truth?
    "Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him; 11 for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds. 2 John 1:9-11
     
     
     
     
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Is the Governing Body's "Life-Saving Direction" Based on the Word of God?   
    The JW that was “in the truth” in the past decades had a different truth than the JW of more recent times. They are united only by the WTJWorg administration, which is in legal continuity through all periods of doctrinal changes.
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Is the Governing Body's "Life-Saving Direction" Based on the Word of God?   
    JW members in all stages of their spiritual life, to this day claim the same, "have the truth", "were in the truth", "are in the truth". Apparently they have been accompanied by "God's blessing" all this time when it comes to all those changed doctrines.
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    Witness reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Posts moved from a recent topic about a J.F.Rutherford book   
    Maybe some folks want to know the foundation that the JW Org is built on. Rock or sand ? 
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    Witness reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Posts moved from a recent topic about a J.F.Rutherford book   
    WONDERFUL WORDS but when I say anything similar or if @Witness, or @Srecko Sostarsays so, then we get shot down for it. 
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Is the Governing Body's "Life-Saving Direction" Based on the Word of God?   
    “I have come as light into the world, so that everyone who believes in me would not remain in darkness.” John 12:46
    Our belief in Christ involves obedience to his teachings, the Word of God. (John 12:49,50;14:23-24) Jesus said his words “are full of Spirit and life”, and they can direct us to the illuminated path leading to eternal life. (John 6:63; 8:12; 14:6) We would never choose to walk a path in complete darkness without another one’s assistance, or without carrying some sort of light or lamp. (Ps 119:105) By allowing our heart and mind to absorb and follow Christ’s teachings, we are equipped with the light of truth. (John 8:31-32) We will not be caught walking in the darkness of religious deceit in this world. (Ps 18:28; John 3:21; Phil 2:15) 
    “The lamp of your body is your eye. When your eye is sound, your whole body is full of light, but when your eye is evil, your whole body is full of darkness. So be very careful that your light never becomes darkness. For if your whole body is full of light, with no part of it in shadow, it will all be radiant—it will be like having a bright lamp to give you light.” Luke 11:34-36 (Phillips Translation)
    Of the full gamut of teachings by the organization, is it not true that most beliefs of yesterday, lie in the shadows of the organization’s library of defunct doctrines? Each changed teaching is abandoned to its “dark corners”, as another translation puts it in Luke chapter 11. Yet these doctrines are still discretely catalogued, as if to boast that God has shown His blessings on the organization by providing JWs with “new light”. (Isa 59:8-10; Jer 9:5-6) 
    However, this “new light” concept, contradicts what God’s word describes as coming from the Father (Isa 5:20). 
    “Do not be deceived, my beloved brothers. Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shadow due to change.” James 1:16,17
    To date, there are a half dozen shifting variations of the doctrine, “this generation” alone; but the perfect spiritual gifts of knowledge from the Father are “sound”, or translated in Luke 11:34 as “healthy”. His word in Jesus Christ is “good fruit” that feeds us spiritually. (Prov 8:19) Phil 2:16 tells us to “hold firmly to the message of life”. Should this good fruit that imparts eternal life, ever be replaced with the shifting, unsound doctrine of men, which the scriptures call “bad fruit”? (Ps 5:9; Matt 7:17,18; 2 Thess 2:1,2; 2 Tim 4:3,4; 1 Thess 2:13) 
    “This is the sort of thing you should teach, and if anyone tries to teach some doctrinal novelty which is not compatible with sound teaching (which we base on Christ’s own words and which leads to Christ-like living), then he is a conceited idiot! His mind is a morbid jumble of disputation and argument, things which lead to nothing but jealousy, quarrelling, insults and malicious innuendoes—continual wrangling, in fact, among men of warped minds who have lost their real hold on the truth but hope to make some profit out of the Christian religion.” 1 Tim 6:3-5
    Jesus said those whom he sends would provide food/”fruit” that remains; healthful food from the vine symbolizing Jesus Christ. It would never be rejected and tossed into the shadows where countless Wt. doctrines resulting from their futile works in darkness, have fallen as rotten “fruit”. (Isa 59:21; John 13:20; 15:1,2; Matt 7:19,20) 
    “Do not work for food that does not last. Work for food that lasts forever. The Son of Man will give you that kind of food. God the Father has shown He will do this.” John 6:27
    (Jesus used the terms, “bread” (John 6:32-33,35), “water” - John 4:10,14, “fruit” - Matt 12:33; Eph 5:9, and “meat” used in John 6:27, to describe the spiritual nourishment obtained from the Word of God – truth from Jesus Christ. Matt 24:45)  
    With Jesus’ guidance, we are provided a smooth path to our understanding of scriptures. (Isa 42:16) The disciples of Christ whom he sends to preach his word, are to let their light/”lamp” shine as well. (Mal 2:7; 1 Pet 2:9; Luke 8:16; 1 Thess 5:5; 2 Cor 4:6; 1 John 1:56; 4:6) 
    Righteous teachings, the result of the light of truth, are never the cause of stumbling; but unrighteous dark teachings stemming from the hearts of corrupt men, cause one to sin, to stumble, as a result of their teachers’ lies. (Ps 56:13; Prov 4:11-12; 2:10-14; 82:5;4:19; Job 24:13; Rom 6:16-18; 2 Cor 11:29; 2 Cor 6:14) 
    Once our spiritual eye is open to the continuous and progressive light of truth, we can recognize that anything the governing leaders may demand of us outside of God’s word, involves blatant stumbling blocks we must avoid at all costs; but to those still blind, these treacherous and deliberately placed teachings lead their listeners deeper into the pit of darkness. (2 Pet 2:1-3,15,17-18) If these men were sent by Jesus Christ as a faithful and “sensible” slave, would they demand JWs to blindly obey instructions crafted from their “warped minds”, that do not have the backing of Jesus’ teachings? (Jude 1:4,12-13,16-19) (Prov 3:5-7; Matt 24:48-51) 
    Prov 30:6 – “Add nothing to his words, lest he reprove you and expose you as a fraud.”
    When Jesus tells us,
    that if our "eye is bad"/"causes us to stumble",
    then the path we blindly wandered onto, contains stumbling blocks. We have drifted away from the path of life (Heb 2:1; Matt 7:14; John 14:6)
     This compares to our feet needing to be washed of their dust/death path (Ps 119:9,105; 1:1-2; John 13:13,14).
    Our faulty perception (bad "eye") is like being blind, which leads us along a path of death, to fall into a dark pit (2 Pet 2:21). If not rescued from the pit, due to our begging God for light and accepting his spirit, we end up being condemned to Gehenna. 
    Pluck Out Your "Eye"
    The governing leaders predicted the coming of a future announcement containing “life-saving direction” that must be obeyed, whether it seems “sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not”. What will be the origin of this organizational decision? Well, it will not be sourced in the scriptures that tell us God’s word in Christ is always sound and leading to eternal life. (Rom 16:17-18; 2 Tim 1:13; 2:14-16) If we can grasp this point backed by scripture, should we ever entertain any spiritual direction that is warned as being not sound to our ears – not spiritually nourishing? ( Gal 1:8-9; 2 Pet 2:1; Heb 13:9; Titus 2:1) 
    These leaders’ “eye” perceives an unexplainable vague path ahead for JWs, based on “doctrinal novelty”. (Eph 5:6) While they demand JWs to work, or slave for the food they receive through their dedication to “Jehovah’s organization”, we can be certain their direction will be a decision made in darkness, void of any light from the Father and the Son. (Prov 2:12-15; Matt 24:24-26; Rev 13:16-17; 2 Pet 2:19; John 6:27; 1 John 1:6; Titus 2:7-8; Gal 1:10) 
    According to Luke 11:36 we should be capable of surmising that these are evil men with evil plans, which will stumble their hearers. (Job 38:15; Isa 28:7; John 3:19-20) They taunt the Word of God, living according to their will, and not the will of Jesus Christ. They prefer the darkness and the indulgence of their corrupt teachings. (2 Cor 6:14) 
    The book of Revelation speaks of a bright star, “blazing like a lamp”, that falls from the heavens. (Rev 8:10,11;9:1-2; 1 Cor 10:12; 2 Pet 3:17) This is Wormwood, a root of bitterness, which represents the fallen anointed leaders who no longer adhere to the word of God. They have betrayed their King, Jesus Christ. (Hos 9:1; Matt 24:11; John 15:5,6; Rom 1:21; Gal 1:6-9 Col 2:19; 2 Cor 11:1-2; 1 Cor 6:15-16; Rev 17:1-2,5; 19:11,15-16) 
    As 1 Tim 6:5 says, they have lost their real hold on the truth, but hope to make some profit out of the Christian religion. . (Luke 4:5-7; 2 Cor 2:17;2 Pet 2:1-3; Phil 3:18-19) 
    These spiritual harlots have traded their inheritance Christ promises to share with his faithful servants in the Kingdom, for a “morsel of meat”. (Gen 28:13-14; Ps 37:11; Rom 4:13; Heb 12:15-16) 
    When we are cleverly diverted away from the true bread from heaven (Christ -John 6:33), to learn from Satan through the false prophet and beast organization (Rev 16:13,14; 1 Tim 4:1; 2 Cor 11:3—4)
    ...If we progress and mature whole-souled in that deception, we come to know the deep things of Satan (Rev 2:24)... Satan's solid food... Satan's "meat".
    The further down we go into such deceptions, the further down we sink into Hades / the abyss of darkness. Satan gets a strong hold on us, as if we are in chains.
    Meat Sacrificed to Idols
    And there we have it, with their “father of the lie” at the helm, the two Beasts of Revelation emerged in the last days to lead and stumble the holy anointed ones into sin. (John 8:44; 1 Tim 4:1; Rev 13:1,2,6-7,10,11,12; 16:13-16) As God’s wayward priests, these leaders have built their religious organization on spiritual food “sacrificed to idols”, defiling all holy sacrifices that should be offered to God. (Rev 2:20) 
    They have not only defiled themselves, but all of God’s holy priests, His Temple, and all JWs who “married” into these teachings under the “woman” covenant of “Babylon the Great”. (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17) (Lev 21:6-8,11-12; 2 Cor 6:16; 1 Pet 1:15; 2 Pet 3:10-11; Isa 28:15-18; Rev 17:5; 18:4,9-10) 
    Under the rule of the Harlot/”wicked slave”, the ”glorious ones” ("lights" in Zech 14:6,7) have hidden their light of truth, under a basket. (Matt 5:14-16; 24:48-51) 
    Col 2:8 (NIRV) – “Make sure no one controls you. They will try to control you by using false reasoning that has no meaning. Their ideas depend on human teachings. They also depend on the basic spiritual powers of this world. They don’t depend on Christ.”
     
     

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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in What's going on in Ukraine 🇺🇦???   
    Having the mind of Christ does not mean we know every thought that Jesus has, especially concerning ourselves.  He is our judge, so why can we judge ourselves as the GB has, by saying they are “faithful and discreet” and demand obedience to their word?    As your quote says, Jesus is the pattern we follow in defense of truth. This is how we have the mind of Christ. If we listen to the folly of men, we have the mind of fools!  (Prov 18:2)
    Those who are part of the anointed Body of Christ, listen to our Head, Jesus.  How?  By respecting his word,  by asking for understanding instead of assuming we can make our own thoughts work. Don’t you see that pattern happening over and over with the GB doctrine?  They don’t listen to Jesus, which is extremely apparent from their failed record of teachings.  (Eph 5:15)
    What is Jesus saying to the anointed ones? 
     “If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you want and it will be done for you. 8 My Father is glorified by this: that you produce much fruit and prove to be my disciples.
    This “fruit” must LAST, not change every few years:
    John 15:16 – “You did not choose me, but I chose you. I appointed you to go and produce fruit and that your fruit should remain, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name, he will give you.”
    You were just given contradictive “fruit” during the Annual meeting.  It had to with the GB and apparently all anointed in the organization being taken up to heaven right before Armageddon.  It was stated that this is a different teaching than 10 years ago. 
    S. Herd said:  “We understand now that all of Christ’s anointed brothers will be in heaven with him before Armageddon starts. That’s the understanding that we have today.” 
    If this war escalates into what appears as Wt’s Armageddon, (even though they have not announced the great tribulation, as far as I know),  and the GB are still here, what then?  Do you see how he left a way out for further “understanding”, by saying “today”, they have this new understanding?  Today’s teaching will not be tomorrow’s teaching/“fruit”.  Thus….they have been proven NOT to be Christ’s disciples. 
     I think you need to ask yourself just who you are defending; men, or Jesus?  There seems to be a a side of you that wants to be close to God and Christ, and another side that balks at the word of God, at the word of Jesus Christ. 
    “Why do you call me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and don’t do the things I say? 47 I will show you what someone is like who comes to me, hears my words, and acts on them: 48 He is like a man building a house, who dug deep and laid the foundation on the rock. When the flood came, the river crashed against that house and couldn’t shake it, because it was well built. 49 But the one who hears and does not act is like a man who built a house on the ground without a foundation. The river crashed against it, and immediately it collapsed. And the destruction of that house was great.” Luke 6:46-49
    Did you “hear” what Jesus said about those who prove to be his disciples, producing “fruit”/teachings that LAST - fruit that is not discarded, not removed, but REMAINS. 
    “I am the vine; you are the branches. The one who remains in me and I in him produces much fruit, because you can do NOTHING without me.  John 15:5
    Can you identify which piece of fruit was sourced in Jesus, that Herd spoke about in his talk – the teaching ten years ago, or the teaching “today”?  What will tomorrow bring if the teaching is altered?  Did ANY of these teachings come from Jesus?  No, because they DO NOT REMAIN.
    Did you “hear” that those who do not remain in the Spirit of Christ cannot do “anything”, thus proving they are NOT his disciples, let alone a “faithful and discreet slave" assigned to feed the household of God?
     
    Allen, let go of false teachings, and rely totally on the Father and the Son.  Let go of men who do not know their right hand from their left.  Isa 44:20
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in What's going on in Ukraine 🇺🇦???   
    If you are boasting to everyone in the world that you are the "faithful and discreet slave" sent by Jesus, absorbing that title BEFORE he returns to identify that slave (Matt 25:19-21), what would you do to preserve your perceived power over the rest of God’s anointed ones – over God’s spiritual house? (Eph 2:20-22) You would downplay all possibility of a JW assuming that you could become the evil slave in Christ’s parable. Once they put it in writing, it becomes “law” - truth.  The GB had it all planned out.  Why? To be sure that no one will assume the title for themselves, as they have. Although, it has backfired, because it has put the GB in the position of the only anointed one that can absorb the identity of the evil slave. 
    In view of the foregoing, what may we conclude? Was Jesus saying that many of his anointed servants would prove unfaithful and need to be replaced? No. Remember, he had just warned his “faithful and discreet slave” never to turn into an evil slave. That did not mean that he expected such an outcome.  wt 15/3/15 p. 16
    Truly, it is amazing that the GB can read the mind of Christ.  They not only KNOW that they are the faithful slave over God's household before he tells them so, they also KNOW that the parable is "just a warning".  
    Woe to those who go to great lengths
    to hide their plans from the Lord.
    They do their works in the dark,
    and say, “Who sees us? Who knows us?”
    You have turned things around,
    as if the potter were the same as the clay.
    How can what is made say about its maker,
    “He didn’t make me”?
    How can what is formed
    say about the one who formed it,
    “He doesn’t understand what he’s doing”?  Isa 29:15,16
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    Those teachings were taught at definite truth.  That is deceit, not that is was "good enough" for those people who believed it WAS truth, and from Jesus Christ.  Can't you see the blasphemy involved by telling people that they should believe a doctrine as truth, only to find out they were deceived?  That is the clear sign of a false prophet, a false teacher; men who speak from their own heart's desires, their own mind.  They are not led by Holy Spirit. (Luke 6:45; 2 Cor 11:15)
    "The one who speaks from himself seeks his own glory; but He who is seeking the glory of the One who sent Him, He is true, and there is no unrighteousness in Him."  John 7:18
    Bell bottoms are back, and the Millennials are wearing them.  Styles come and go, and come again. Your example does sum up Wt teachings.  What will be the next subject of your teaching of “this generation”, worldly people, or the anointed?  Which teaching will you be “wearing” at the doors a few years down the road?  Ezek 13:17,18

     
    Generation
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    Isn't that what Jesus expects of those whom he "sends"?  
    John 15:16 - “It is not that you have chosen me; but it is I who have chosen you. I have appointed you to go and bear fruit that will be lasting; so that whatever you ask the Father in my name, he will give it to you."
    Wt's changes are drastic, never holding the light of truth. Truth at its core, always radiates light in Christ.  It is valid truth.  It can't be argued away as lie.
    Of this "truth", there is no core of light to build upon.  It is all a lie -     
    1971 "Shortly, within our twentieth century, the "battle in the day of Jehovah" will begin against the modern antitype of Jerusalem, Christendom." (The Nations Shall Know That I Am Jehovah; 1971; 2nd ed.; p. 216)
    I tried going to the JW website to get more surrounding information.  The book is not available there.  Maybe it held too many "truths" that weren't really truths?  One obvious "truth" that no longer is truth according to your leaders, is the "antitype of Jerusalem, Christendom".  Did you know they erased that as "truth"?
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    You are comparing  the progression of Wt's "new light" to bell bottoms and hair styles?
    Well, that about sums it up.  
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    Every one of them should whine loudly in defense of the Temple of God.  And if they whine loud enough and speak up for truth in Christ's teachings, you as an elder (if you are still an elder) are allowed by your leadership to disfellowship them, indicating by a lie that they no longer are spiritually alive in God’s eyes.  (John 16:2,3; Rev 13:15)
    But that is a good thing, sacrificing the life they had known, perhaps loved, to follow Jesus Christ who is truth.  John 14:6
    “For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life because of me will save it.”  Luke 9:24
    "I know your works. Look, I have placed before you an open door that no one can close because you have but little power; yet you have kept my word and have not denied my name."  Rev 3:8
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    Isn't that what Jesus expects of those whom he "sends"?  
    John 15:16 - “It is not that you have chosen me; but it is I who have chosen you. I have appointed you to go and bear fruit that will be lasting; so that whatever you ask the Father in my name, he will give it to you."
    Wt's changes are drastic, never holding the light of truth. Truth at its core, always radiates light in Christ.  It is valid truth.  It can't be argued away as lie.
    Of this "truth", there is no core of light to build upon.  It is all a lie -     
    1971 "Shortly, within our twentieth century, the "battle in the day of Jehovah" will begin against the modern antitype of Jerusalem, Christendom." (The Nations Shall Know That I Am Jehovah; 1971; 2nd ed.; p. 216)
    I tried going to the JW website to get more surrounding information.  The book is not available there.  Maybe it held too many "truths" that weren't really truths?  One obvious "truth" that no longer is truth according to your leaders, is the "antitype of Jerusalem, Christendom".  Did you know they erased that as "truth"?
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    You are comparing  the progression of Wt's "new light" to bell bottoms and hair styles?
    Well, that about sums it up.  
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    I gave you quotes from your magazines that uphold Lett's words, and do not uphold your thoughts on the matter.  That was my point.  There is no distinction between those who reject the JW message at the door as the wicked,  from what the articles say the wicked include - which is all people found outside of the organization.  
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    Witness reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    Matthew 24 : 22
    English Standard Version
    "And if those days had not been cut short, no human being would be saved. But for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short."
    Well I think this shows that YHWH and Yeshua think the Anointed are IMPORTANT. 
    So if you, xero, want to think otheriwise it may be to your own detriment. 
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    Interesting, isn't it?  That "new light" removes the light source in Christ.  John 8:12
     
    How many elders are there world-wide?
    From what I understand, there were around 20,000 who were partakers during your memorial.  Excluding those who partook that are not anointed, and women, what number is left that could serve in the capacity of your elders worldwide?  Throwing out three men who are both elders and anointed is a moot point considering the massive size of the elder body.
    These anointed elders are working alongside “representatives” of God’s priests. Because of their blindness, or stubbornness, they don’t realize that they are “living stones” of God’s Temple/”house”/sanctuary in Spirit.  They “are” the Temple -  1 Pet 2:5; 1 Cor 3:16; Eph 2:20-22
    No one was to “represent” God’s priesthood in the early temples. (Ezek 44:6-9; 2 Chron 13:9) In the days of Uzziah, what happened when he brazenly offered incense in the Temple?  (2 Chron 26:18)  The priests came after him. 
    Uzziah, with a firepan in his hand to offer incense, was enraged. But when he became enraged with the priests, in the presence of the priests in the Lord’s temple beside the altar of incense, a skin disease broke out on his forehead. 20 Then Azariah the chief priest and all the priests turned to him and saw that he was diseased on his forehead. They rushed him out of there. He himself also hurried to get out because the Lord had afflicted him. 2 Chron 26:19,20
    “For whatever was written in the past was written for our instruction, so that we may have hope through endurance and through the encouragement from the Scriptures.”  Rom 15:4
    Your anointed elders are not defending the spiritual Temple from “Gentiles” not sanctioned as God’s priests.  God’s Temple is built on the anointed.  The “man of lawlessness” “sits” (to set, appoint, to confer a kingdom on one )  in God’s Temple.  2 Thess 2:3,4
    The elder body have appointed themselves as God’s priests,  and are ruling as a “kingdom” over the anointed priests/Temple of God. 
    There is no other entity in the world, that can fulfill the coming of the man of lawlessness.  JWs who love their arrangement in the elder body and organization, are condoning the existence of the man of lawlessness; preferring their “organizational arrangement” over the arrangement God had put in place in his Son. 
    “Then I was given a measuring reed like a rod, with these words: “Go and measure the temple of God and the altar, and count those who worship there. 2 But exclude the courtyard outside the temple. Don’t measure it, because it is given to the Gentiles, and they will trample the holy city for forty-two months.”  Rev 11:1,2
    When the anointed are replaced by elders not anointed there is no truth. (1 John 2:20)  Truth is thrown down to the ground.  (Dan 8:11,12)
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    I gave you quotes from your magazines that uphold Lett's words, and do not uphold your thoughts on the matter.  That was my point.  There is no distinction between those who reject the JW message at the door as the wicked,  from what the articles say the wicked include - which is all people found outside of the organization.  
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    You mean, like the elder body who attend their own meetings and attend elder schools – a privileged appointment of men who say they “represent the royal priesthood”?  Is this what you mean? 
    Only because men in power have told them this. Do you hold these men up to the level of the apostles?  
    The scriptures tells us that they must bond.  1 Cor 12:14-26
    The apostles were active priests.  Only your organization has taken away their activity as a collective body.  Nowhere in the word of God does it say that the anointed are to remain idle until the Kingdom of God.  Eph 2:20-22
    I am presenting scripture to uphold my point.  You are presenting the doctrine of men to uphold their organization’s requirements.  None of that doctrine harmonizes with what the scriptures teach about the anointed ones.
    “But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light”  1 Pet 2:5
    The anointed in your organization cannot proclaim God’s praises of truth, without men regulating what they say.   Oh, and they cannot act as priests since the elders have replaced them!  (Mal 2:7; 2 Thess 2:3,4)
    The organization is a stumbling block for the anointed.  They have receded in the background, not following the example that the apostles set out for them.
      Nevertheless, I have written to remind you more boldly on some points[i] because of the grace given me by God 16 to be a minister of Christ Jesus to the Gentiles, serving as a priest of the gospel of God. God’s purpose is that the Gentiles may be an acceptable offering, sanctified by the Holy Spirit.  Rom 15:15,16
    If you love the arrangement that you see in the Wt., you are obeying the doctrine of men, over the word of God.  Ezek 44:6-9
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    My spiritual “extended family” includes  exjws found worldwide, both anointed and disciples of Christ. We also have a few who never became JWs.  But I've said this before.  We care for one another freely, we support one another in various ways that you can’t imagine.  There is no possibility of having this connection between anointed ones in the organization.  Remember that are not to bond together, and the anointed are not be sought out? 
    The anointed have no family in Christ in the organization, because they are restricted by men’s doctrines.  They have no association with the GB/ "anointed" in charge.  Tell me, is that how an extended family shows love to their fellow brothers and sisters?  If I or any anointed one was to show up at Warwick and asked to speak to my fellow brothers in Christ, would I be allowed to?  No.  They are too afraid that their power over all of you, will be shattered by any truth that would come from another anointed one's heart; so, they have set in place doctrine to avoid that. They practice exactly what they sarcastically tell anointed not to do. 
    Modestly, anointed ones acknowledge that they do not necessarily have more holy spirit than those with an earthly hope. They do not claim to have special knowledge or revelations; neither do they try to prove that they are in some way superior. They would also never suggest to others that these too have been anointed and should start partaking; rather, they would humbly acknowledge that it is Jehovah who does the calling of anointed ones. Wt 16/1
    Flip these words around:
    Immodestly, the GB claim to have more holy spirit than their anointed brothers and sisters.  They claim that you must listen only to them and their special knowledge that they receive from "Jehovah's organization" (how does THAT work?).  They try to prove that they are superior and demand obedience to them and their doctrine. They certainly suggest that they have been anointed, and that "Jehovah" chose them to be the one and only "faithful and discreet slave".  
    Deceitfully, they have isolated themselves from all other anointed ones, not seeking them out, and  not bonding with them.  After all, these other anointed ones "do not necessarily have more holy spirit" than the GB.  So why "go there".    Literally, they have gated themselves out of "harm's" way.  They preserve their power and their fleshly desires to build and rule.  Phil 3:17-19
    And this fulfills your definition of family in Christ? 
    I gave scriptures proving that your organization follows the doctrine of men concerning baptism, and not that of Jesus Christ; and you are bristling at the word of God?  Are you stating that it is vile?   
     
     
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    Then it is really strange how once the fundamental truth was that YHVH commands the worship of Christ, and now you believe in another truth. Has the biblical text, translation, interpretation, or anything else changed?
    https://ia600902.us.archive.org/5/items/WatchtowerLibrary/magazines/w/w1939_E.pdf
     

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    Witness reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    Sorry Arauna but this brings us back to the Superior Authorities scripture in Romans for one thing.
    It also brings us back to the number of times the Watchtower / Bible Students / JW Org have made predictions which have not come true.
    I find it strange that some on here criticise @Witness for her words but you are happy to allow for your own Leaders to have told lies / make deliberate mistakes / misuse scripture.  I do not see any balance there. 
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    Shouldn’t they complain?  Wt’s baptism is not based on scripture, it is a doctrine of men – the twisting of Christ’s words.  We have warning after warning not to change the word of God, and it matters not if the Amish baptize into their church.  Making the comparison does not condone the Wt. to do so, especially since your leaders say they strictly follow the scriptures.  This gives good evidence that they do not!
    “You abandon the commandments of God to follow human traditions.”  Mark 7:8
    Christ gave a commandment about baptizing.  Do we dare think we can change this commandment that comes from the Father?
    "All these regulations refer to what is destined to perish by being used up; they are human commands and doctrines."  Col 2:22
    "‘These people honor me with their lips,
    but their hearts are far from me.
    Their worship of me is pointless,
    because their teachings are rules made by humans.’ ”  Matt 15:8,9
     
     
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