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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Are You Suffering?   
    When was the last time JWs were reproached for the name of Christ?  They are reproached for the name of an organization and for the name attached to it - "Jehovah".  
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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in Vaccine time   
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Conscience individual and collective   
    “Therefore whoever hears these sayings of Mine, and does them, I will liken him to a wise man who built his house on the rock: 25 and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it did not fall, for it was founded on the rock.
    26 “But everyone who hears these sayings of Mine, and does not do them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand: 27 and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it fell. And great was its fall.”
    28 And so it was, when Jesus had ended these sayings, that the people were astonished at His teaching, 29 for He taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes." Matt 7:24-29
    This is why people leave the organization.  They see the leadership floundering at keeping their "house" built on shady, weak "foolish" teachings, stable.  But it will fall, as Jesus promises in his words here.  Why do people want to go down with it?  Why are they so foolish?
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Conscience individual and collective   
    “Therefore whoever hears these sayings of Mine, and does them, I will liken him to a wise man who built his house on the rock: 25 and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it did not fall, for it was founded on the rock.
    26 “But everyone who hears these sayings of Mine, and does not do them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand: 27 and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it fell. And great was its fall.”
    28 And so it was, when Jesus had ended these sayings, that the people were astonished at His teaching, 29 for He taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes." Matt 7:24-29
    This is why people leave the organization.  They see the leadership floundering at keeping their "house" built on shady, weak "foolish" teachings, stable.  But it will fall, as Jesus promises in his words here.  Why do people want to go down with it?  Why are they so foolish?
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    Witness got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in Conscience individual and collective   
    “Therefore whoever hears these sayings of Mine, and does them, I will liken him to a wise man who built his house on the rock: 25 and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it did not fall, for it was founded on the rock.
    26 “But everyone who hears these sayings of Mine, and does not do them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand: 27 and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it fell. And great was its fall.”
    28 And so it was, when Jesus had ended these sayings, that the people were astonished at His teaching, 29 for He taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes." Matt 7:24-29
    This is why people leave the organization.  They see the leadership floundering at keeping their "house" built on shady, weak "foolish" teachings, stable.  But it will fall, as Jesus promises in his words here.  Why do people want to go down with it?  Why are they so foolish?
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    Witness reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Conscience individual and collective   
    Oh this is lovely  .  Basically saying "We have to continue to tell lies otherwise we loose the congregation". 
    A core doctrine that is a deliberate lie.  Oh they of little faith. 
    Didn't it ever come to mind about Jesus saying "Unless you drink my blood and eat my flesh ...... "  Shock happens, but when faith is strong then the faithful remain. 
    Worried about being d/fed. Worrying about the 'flock' not having enough to 'fall back on'.  Absolutely no faith what so ever. 
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    Witness reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Conscience individual and collective   
    What gross misuse of scripture. You are here pretending that the whole CCJW / JW Org ARE the Body of Christ by deliberately misusing scripture.   That is sick in the worse possible way. 
    You people really do not understand that the scriptures were written for the True Anointed. 
    This means the Body of Christ, NOT the Organisation.  No division in Christ's body of 144,000. 
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    Witness got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in The sealing of the 144,000 is at hand...   
    You use a calculator, and choose your sums over God's Word. 
     I don't think you understood what JWI asked:
    "When Jesus received all authority in the first century, when did he receive more authority?" (Matt 28:18)
     
     
    Do you recognize God's authority?
    "Then they gathered around him and asked him, “Lord, are you at this time going to restore the kingdom to Israel?” He said to them: “It is not for you to know the times or dates the Father has set by His own authority. "
    If God was to give anyone authority to know the date when this world comes to an end, wouldn't He give it to Jesus Christ, and not to a man with a calculator?
    "Then I saw in the right hand of him who sat on the throne a scroll with writing on both sides and sealed with seven seals. 2 And I saw a mighty angel proclaiming in a loud voice, “Who is worthy to break the seals and open the scroll?” 3 But no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth could open the scroll or even look inside it. 4 I wept and wept because no one was found who was worthy to open the scroll or look inside. 5 Then one of the elders said to me, “Do not weep! See, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has triumphed. He is able to open the scroll and its seven seals.”  Rev 5:1-5
    You said something somewhere that you calculate a literal thousand years as a literal day (or vice versa) in 2 Pet 3:8, to aid in your calculations.  Jesus and the apostles talked about "day" in different ways, which shows that 2 Pet 3:8 is explaining that God's "thousand year" time period, cannot be limited by men; but you are doing exactly that.
    Jesus answered, “Are there not twelve hours of daylight? Anyone who walks in the daytime will not stumble, for they see by this world’s light. 10 It is when a person walks at night that they stumble, for they have no light.”  John 1:9,10
    Then Jesus told them, “You are going to have the light just a little while longer. Walk while you have the light, before darkness overtakes you. Whoever walks in the dark does not know where they are going.”  John 12:35
    “The night is nearly over; the day is almost here. So let us put aside the deeds of darkness and put on the armor of light.”  Rom 13:1
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in The sealing of the 144,000 is at hand...   
    Always, Wt provides a hint, a taste of truth, followed with a cupful of lies to mask it:
     
    "Starting at that time, in 33 C.E., Christ began ruling over the Christian congregation, and his followers happily acknowledged his lordship and heavenly position. (Colossians 1:13, 14) Yet it was not God’s purpose for Jesus to begin ruling over the world of mankind and the universe then.  hp chap. 16 pp. 151-160
     
     
    Jesus is the King of God's Kingdom in heaven. He began ruling in 1914.—Revelation 11:15. ijwfq article 44
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in The sealing of the 144,000 is at hand...   
    Absolute lie.
    King David and Solomon:
    1 Kings 1:30 - “I will surely carry out this very day what I swore to you by the Lord, the God of Israel: Solomon your son shall be king after me, and he will sit on my throne in my place.”
    1 Chron 29:23 – “So Solomon sat on the throne of the Lord as king in place of his father David. He prospered and all Israel obeyed him.”
    Prov 20:8 – “When a king sits on his throne to judge, he winnows out all evil with his eyes.”
    Jesus Christ:
    Ps 110:1,2 The Lord says to my lord:
    “Sit at my right hand
        until I make your enemies
        a footstool for your feet.”
    2 The Lord will extend your mighty scepter from Zion, saying,
        “Rule in the midst of your enemies!”
    Sitting on a throne = ruling/judging/reigning as a king.
    Jesus Christ:
    1 Cor 15:25-27 – “For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27 For he “has put everything under his feet.”
    Heb 8:1 – “Now the main point of what we are saying is this: We do have such a high priest, who sat down at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven”
    Heb 12:2 – “fixing our eyes on Jesus, the pioneer and perfecter of faith. For the joy set before him he endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.”
    King Herod:
    Acts 12:21 – “On the appointed day Herod, wearing his royal robes, sat on his throne and delivered a public address to the people.”
    Here, Jesus is standing, well before 1914!:
    Acts 7:55,56 - But Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit, looked up to heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God. 56 “Look,” he said, “I see heaven open and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God.”
     
    Jesus and his faithful ruling priests/kings:
    Rev 3:21 - “To the one who is victorious, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I was victorious and sat down with my Father on his throne.”
    The Heavenly Father also “sits” on His throne.  Are you saying He is not reigning as King? Dan 7:9;Rev 4:1-3
    The scriptures cannot be refuted.  The doctrine of 1914 is blasphemy.   To assume that Christ was not ruling since the first century is the result of Satan's deceit.  Satan "rules" over his kingdom on earth and doesn't want to lose it.  Jesus Christ is his enemy.  Who would tell lies about Jesus' authority to rule since the first century?  Men, who preach "another Jesus" and who are influenced by demonic spirits. (2 Cor 11:1-4,13-15; 1 Tim 4:1; Rev 16:13-16)
    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Cor+11%3A1-4%2C13-15%3B+1+Tim+4%3A1%3B+Rev+16%3A13-16)&version=NIV
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in The sealing of the 144,000 is at hand...   
    Always, Wt provides a hint, a taste of truth, followed with a cupful of lies to mask it:
     
    "Starting at that time, in 33 C.E., Christ began ruling over the Christian congregation, and his followers happily acknowledged his lordship and heavenly position. (Colossians 1:13, 14) Yet it was not God’s purpose for Jesus to begin ruling over the world of mankind and the universe then.  hp chap. 16 pp. 151-160
     
     
    Jesus is the King of God's Kingdom in heaven. He began ruling in 1914.—Revelation 11:15. ijwfq article 44
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in The sealing of the 144,000 is at hand...   
    Absolute lie.
    King David and Solomon:
    1 Kings 1:30 - “I will surely carry out this very day what I swore to you by the Lord, the God of Israel: Solomon your son shall be king after me, and he will sit on my throne in my place.”
    1 Chron 29:23 – “So Solomon sat on the throne of the Lord as king in place of his father David. He prospered and all Israel obeyed him.”
    Prov 20:8 – “When a king sits on his throne to judge, he winnows out all evil with his eyes.”
    Jesus Christ:
    Ps 110:1,2 The Lord says to my lord:
    “Sit at my right hand
        until I make your enemies
        a footstool for your feet.”
    2 The Lord will extend your mighty scepter from Zion, saying,
        “Rule in the midst of your enemies!”
    Sitting on a throne = ruling/judging/reigning as a king.
    Jesus Christ:
    1 Cor 15:25-27 – “For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27 For he “has put everything under his feet.”
    Heb 8:1 – “Now the main point of what we are saying is this: We do have such a high priest, who sat down at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven”
    Heb 12:2 – “fixing our eyes on Jesus, the pioneer and perfecter of faith. For the joy set before him he endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.”
    King Herod:
    Acts 12:21 – “On the appointed day Herod, wearing his royal robes, sat on his throne and delivered a public address to the people.”
    Here, Jesus is standing, well before 1914!:
    Acts 7:55,56 - But Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit, looked up to heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God. 56 “Look,” he said, “I see heaven open and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God.”
     
    Jesus and his faithful ruling priests/kings:
    Rev 3:21 - “To the one who is victorious, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I was victorious and sat down with my Father on his throne.”
    The Heavenly Father also “sits” on His throne.  Are you saying He is not reigning as King? Dan 7:9;Rev 4:1-3
    The scriptures cannot be refuted.  The doctrine of 1914 is blasphemy.   To assume that Christ was not ruling since the first century is the result of Satan's deceit.  Satan "rules" over his kingdom on earth and doesn't want to lose it.  Jesus Christ is his enemy.  Who would tell lies about Jesus' authority to rule since the first century?  Men, who preach "another Jesus" and who are influenced by demonic spirits. (2 Cor 11:1-4,13-15; 1 Tim 4:1; Rev 16:13-16)
    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Cor+11%3A1-4%2C13-15%3B+1+Tim+4%3A1%3B+Rev+16%3A13-16)&version=NIV
     
     
     
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    Witness reacted to JW Insider in The sealing of the 144,000 is at hand...   
    Don't forget the apostle John and the apostle Paul and Matthew:
    (Revelation 1:5) 5 and from Jesus Christ, “the Faithful Witness,” “the firstborn from the dead,” and “the Ruler of the kings of the earth.”. . .
    (1 Timothy 6:14, 15) . . .until the manifestation of our Lord Jesus Christ, 15 which the happy and only Potentate will show in its own appointed times. He is the King of those who rule as kings and Lord of those who rule as lords. . .
    (1 Corinthians 15:24-27) . . .. 25 For he must rule as king until God has put all enemies under his feet. 26 And the last enemy, death, is to be brought to nothing. 27 For God “subjected all things under his feet.” But when he says that ‘all things have been subjected,’ it is evident that this does not include the One who subjected all things to him.
    (Ephesians 1:20, 21) . . .which he exercised toward Christ when he raised him up from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places, 21 far above every government and authority and power and lordship and every name that is named, not only in this system of things but also in that to come.
    Also the writer of Hebrews, possibly also Paul:
    (Hebrews 1:3) . . .and he sustains all things by the word of his power. And after he had made a purification for our sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high. . .
    (Hebrews 1:8) . . .But about the Son, he says: “God is your throne forever and ever, and the scepter of your Kingdom is the scepter of uprightness. . .
    (Hebrews 2:7-9) . . .you crowned him with glory and honor, and appointed him over the works of your hands. 8 All things you subjected under his feet.” By subjecting all things to him, God left nothing that is not subject to him. Now, though, we do not yet see all things in subjection to him. 9 But we do see Jesus, who was made a little lower than angels, now crowned with glory and honor for having suffered death, . . .
    And Matthew:
    (Matthew 28:18) . . .Jesus approached and spoke to them, saying: “All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth.
    And Hebrews again:
    (Hebrews 6:20-7:3) . . .in the manner of Mel·chizʹe·dek forever. 7 For this Mel·chizʹe·dek, king of Saʹlem, priest of the Most High God, . . . First, his name is translated “King of Righteousness,” and then also king of Saʹlem, that is, “King of Peace.” 3 . . . but being made like the Son of God. . .
    I have seen you flail and sling mud and try to cause chaos rather than attempt to answer these questions:
    When Jesus received all authority in the first century, when did he receive more authority?
    What made Jesus a priest like Melchizedek if he was not also a king and priest at the same time?
     
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    Witness reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in The sealing of the 144,000 is at hand...   
    Matthew 28 from verse 18.
    Jesus approached and spoke to them, saying: “All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth. 19  Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, 20  teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you. And look! I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.”
    Jesus was resurrected by his Father, Almighty God. That in itself proves Jesus had God's complete approval....  So you can see that when Jesus was resurrected as a spirit he was also given ALL AUTHORITY IN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH. 
    Your leaders the GB just cannot accept that Jesus received the authority immediately after his resurrection. But then your leaders the GB cannot even obey the words of Jesus about baptism either. 
    Your GB prove to be false or dishonest anointed but still you JWs follow them 
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in The sealing of the 144,000 is at hand...   
    It is true that Satan is on the warpath because he is soon to lose his kingdom. (Rev 20:7-9)  But what happened in 1914 was not because Jesus became King.  Satan was accommodating a false prophesy. Jesus became king in the first century.  
    (John 18:33,36,37; Matt 21:1-5; Luke 17:21; 1 Pet 3:22; Matt 28:18; Eph 1:20; Ps 110:1; 1 Cor 15:25; 2 Pet 3:8; Mat 12:8; Isa 60:22)
    The literal signs of the end times that you and Wt state are the result of Jesus’ kingship, happened in Satan’s realm. Jesus said his kingdom is no part of this world. (John 18:36) Why then, would the signs of his kingdom in power show literal signs in the world?  The “war” is not fought on the ground, but as     Eph 6:12 says, it is fought in the heavenly realms, unseen to the physical eye. That is where the “signs” take on a symbolic meaning.  Satan is the author of deceit and confusion, just as the historic teaching of 1914 has proven to be.  If we look for literal signs of worldly havoc on the earth, then who’s to say another point in history could have been chosen otherwise, as a sign of Jesus’ “invisible” reign?  WWII was the deadliest war in history.  Why not chose 1939 as the date Jesus became a reigning king?  
    The organization is no different than the early Jews, who expected Jesus to provide them with literal signs.
    Then the Pharisees and Sadducees came, and testing Him asked that He would show them a sign from heaven. 2 He answered and said to them, “When it is evening you say, ‘It will be fair weather, for the sky is red’; 3 and in the morning, ‘It will be foul weather today, for the sky is red and threatening.’ Hypocrites! You know how to discern the face of the sky, but you cannot discern the signs of the times. 4 A wicked and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign shall be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah.” And He left them and departed. Matt 16:1-4
    Do you see?  We are not to look at the literal “face of the sky” to observe when Jesus began ruling, or a specific date for the end of the world.  But, whatever JWs want to see, Satan will provide it.
     When Jesus said,
    “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.”  Matt 24:29
    …is he meaning literal signs on the face of the sky? What are the “heavens” that will be shaken?  The “moon” is the promised “woman” New Covenant, her seed are the anointed heavenly “stars”.  Do you see how they can be “heavenly” even though they are on the earth? (Gal 4:26; Heb 12:22; Rev 12:1,2;1:20; Dan 12:3) It is through them, through their “tribulation” that the Kingdom of God will be ushered in. It is THEY, who are “shaken”.   (Heb 12:25-29; Rev 6:13; Dan 8:10)  These “earthquakes” that Jesus speaks of in Matt 24:7, this shaking, is the harvest of the “sons of the kingdom”, of “Israel”.  (Matt 13:37-43)
    Amos 9:9 – “For I will give the command, and I will shake the people of Israel among all the nations as grain is shaken in a sieve, and not a pebble will reach the ground. All the sinners among My people
        will die by the sword,
    all those who say,
        ‘Disaster will not overtake or meet us.’”  ( 1 Thess 5:3)  (Do you believe you will be saved from disaster as a member of the organization?)
    Be assured, Satan is quite capable of throwing you a curve ball to draw you away from the true “war” at hand. The tribulation has to do with those under covenant, accepting lies that Satan and his agents put before them, or defending truth that must be received by rejecting the lies, at the cost of the life they once enjoyed. (Rev 3:18) They must follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, and not the teachings of men who devise their own doctrine.  (Rev 13:1,2,5-7,11,12,15; 16:13-16) (Matt 10:18,22,39; John 16:2)
    Yet, JWs seem to love “new” doctrine.  Jer 2:31,35,36; 5:31
    By taking 1914, a date said to be the “birth” of Kingdom, that the “day of the lord” has come, your whole premise of calculating when the world will end, has no meaning.  Do you also believe that labor pains follow a birth as your leaders do? 
    w53 12/15 p. 756-757 - The kingdoms of this world had their death warrant sealed when the “appointed times of the nations” expired in 1914. They cannot stand up against the kingdom that was then born in the heavens. 
    ws13 7/15 p. 4-5 - So the war that began in 1914 was not the beginning of the great tribulation. It was the “beginning of pangs of distress.” (Matthew 24:8) 
    The accurate translation for “pangs of distress” in Matt 24:8:
    ὠδίν ōdín, o-deen'; akin to G3601; a pang or throe, especially of childbirth:—pain, sorrow, travail.
    Check the rendition for this scripture in various translations. You will find that the general use is “birth pangs”. 
    The same word is found in 1 Thess 5:3 – “For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail G5604 upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.”
    You are believing that a kingdom was “born”, and its evidence is the “birth pangs” that follow the birth.  Does this make sense?  The Kingdom that will be “born”, is God’s Kingdom, and this is through the fulfillment of the “woman” New Covenant – the Temple of “living stones” reaching completion, when the capstone is sealed.  Zech 4:7-9
    How is it you can quote scriptures guarding against false predictions, but then decide it is okay to calculate a year when the world will end?  Isn’t this showing disrespect for caution outlined in the God's word?  Although the apostles spoke of the day being close, they never set a date.  Are you greater than these men, the foundation stones of truth? (Eph 2:20-22) Have you been told by God through a vision to provide us with a date?  Or, did you get out your calculator and put numbers together, just as all the leaders of the Wt have done?  I know I’m blunt, but please, think about the ramifications of going against the admonition outlined in the Word of God.
    "Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters, 2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the Day of the Lord  has already come. 3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God." 2 Thess 2:1-4
     
    https://pearl-thewoman.blogspot.com/
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in The sealing of the 144,000 is at hand...   
    It is true that Satan is on the warpath because he is soon to lose his kingdom. (Rev 20:7-9)  But what happened in 1914 was not because Jesus became King.  Satan was accommodating a false prophesy. Jesus became king in the first century.  
    (John 18:33,36,37; Matt 21:1-5; Luke 17:21; 1 Pet 3:22; Matt 28:18; Eph 1:20; Ps 110:1; 1 Cor 15:25; 2 Pet 3:8; Mat 12:8; Isa 60:22)
    The literal signs of the end times that you and Wt state are the result of Jesus’ kingship, happened in Satan’s realm. Jesus said his kingdom is no part of this world. (John 18:36) Why then, would the signs of his kingdom in power show literal signs in the world?  The “war” is not fought on the ground, but as     Eph 6:12 says, it is fought in the heavenly realms, unseen to the physical eye. That is where the “signs” take on a symbolic meaning.  Satan is the author of deceit and confusion, just as the historic teaching of 1914 has proven to be.  If we look for literal signs of worldly havoc on the earth, then who’s to say another point in history could have been chosen otherwise, as a sign of Jesus’ “invisible” reign?  WWII was the deadliest war in history.  Why not chose 1939 as the date Jesus became a reigning king?  
    The organization is no different than the early Jews, who expected Jesus to provide them with literal signs.
    Then the Pharisees and Sadducees came, and testing Him asked that He would show them a sign from heaven. 2 He answered and said to them, “When it is evening you say, ‘It will be fair weather, for the sky is red’; 3 and in the morning, ‘It will be foul weather today, for the sky is red and threatening.’ Hypocrites! You know how to discern the face of the sky, but you cannot discern the signs of the times. 4 A wicked and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign shall be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah.” And He left them and departed. Matt 16:1-4
    Do you see?  We are not to look at the literal “face of the sky” to observe when Jesus began ruling, or a specific date for the end of the world.  But, whatever JWs want to see, Satan will provide it.
     When Jesus said,
    “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.”  Matt 24:29
    …is he meaning literal signs on the face of the sky? What are the “heavens” that will be shaken?  The “moon” is the promised “woman” New Covenant, her seed are the anointed heavenly “stars”.  Do you see how they can be “heavenly” even though they are on the earth? (Gal 4:26; Heb 12:22; Rev 12:1,2;1:20; Dan 12:3) It is through them, through their “tribulation” that the Kingdom of God will be ushered in. It is THEY, who are “shaken”.   (Heb 12:25-29; Rev 6:13; Dan 8:10)  These “earthquakes” that Jesus speaks of in Matt 24:7, this shaking, is the harvest of the “sons of the kingdom”, of “Israel”.  (Matt 13:37-43)
    Amos 9:9 – “For I will give the command, and I will shake the people of Israel among all the nations as grain is shaken in a sieve, and not a pebble will reach the ground. All the sinners among My people
        will die by the sword,
    all those who say,
        ‘Disaster will not overtake or meet us.’”  ( 1 Thess 5:3)  (Do you believe you will be saved from disaster as a member of the organization?)
    Be assured, Satan is quite capable of throwing you a curve ball to draw you away from the true “war” at hand. The tribulation has to do with those under covenant, accepting lies that Satan and his agents put before them, or defending truth that must be received by rejecting the lies, at the cost of the life they once enjoyed. (Rev 3:18) They must follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, and not the teachings of men who devise their own doctrine.  (Rev 13:1,2,5-7,11,12,15; 16:13-16) (Matt 10:18,22,39; John 16:2)
    Yet, JWs seem to love “new” doctrine.  Jer 2:31,35,36; 5:31
    By taking 1914, a date said to be the “birth” of Kingdom, that the “day of the lord” has come, your whole premise of calculating when the world will end, has no meaning.  Do you also believe that labor pains follow a birth as your leaders do? 
    w53 12/15 p. 756-757 - The kingdoms of this world had their death warrant sealed when the “appointed times of the nations” expired in 1914. They cannot stand up against the kingdom that was then born in the heavens. 
    ws13 7/15 p. 4-5 - So the war that began in 1914 was not the beginning of the great tribulation. It was the “beginning of pangs of distress.” (Matthew 24:8) 
    The accurate translation for “pangs of distress” in Matt 24:8:
    ὠδίν ōdín, o-deen'; akin to G3601; a pang or throe, especially of childbirth:—pain, sorrow, travail.
    Check the rendition for this scripture in various translations. You will find that the general use is “birth pangs”. 
    The same word is found in 1 Thess 5:3 – “For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail G5604 upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.”
    You are believing that a kingdom was “born”, and its evidence is the “birth pangs” that follow the birth.  Does this make sense?  The Kingdom that will be “born”, is God’s Kingdom, and this is through the fulfillment of the “woman” New Covenant – the Temple of “living stones” reaching completion, when the capstone is sealed.  Zech 4:7-9
    How is it you can quote scriptures guarding against false predictions, but then decide it is okay to calculate a year when the world will end?  Isn’t this showing disrespect for caution outlined in the God's word?  Although the apostles spoke of the day being close, they never set a date.  Are you greater than these men, the foundation stones of truth? (Eph 2:20-22) Have you been told by God through a vision to provide us with a date?  Or, did you get out your calculator and put numbers together, just as all the leaders of the Wt have done?  I know I’m blunt, but please, think about the ramifications of going against the admonition outlined in the Word of God.
    "Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters, 2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the Day of the Lord  has already come. 3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God." 2 Thess 2:1-4
     
    https://pearl-thewoman.blogspot.com/
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from César Chávez in The sealing of the 144,000 is at hand...   
    It is true that Satan is on the warpath because he is soon to lose his kingdom. (Rev 20:7-9)  But what happened in 1914 was not because Jesus became King.  Satan was accommodating a false prophesy. Jesus became king in the first century.  
    (John 18:33,36,37; Matt 21:1-5; Luke 17:21; 1 Pet 3:22; Matt 28:18; Eph 1:20; Ps 110:1; 1 Cor 15:25; 2 Pet 3:8; Mat 12:8; Isa 60:22)
    The literal signs of the end times that you and Wt state are the result of Jesus’ kingship, happened in Satan’s realm. Jesus said his kingdom is no part of this world. (John 18:36) Why then, would the signs of his kingdom in power show literal signs in the world?  The “war” is not fought on the ground, but as     Eph 6:12 says, it is fought in the heavenly realms, unseen to the physical eye. That is where the “signs” take on a symbolic meaning.  Satan is the author of deceit and confusion, just as the historic teaching of 1914 has proven to be.  If we look for literal signs of worldly havoc on the earth, then who’s to say another point in history could have been chosen otherwise, as a sign of Jesus’ “invisible” reign?  WWII was the deadliest war in history.  Why not chose 1939 as the date Jesus became a reigning king?  
    The organization is no different than the early Jews, who expected Jesus to provide them with literal signs.
    Then the Pharisees and Sadducees came, and testing Him asked that He would show them a sign from heaven. 2 He answered and said to them, “When it is evening you say, ‘It will be fair weather, for the sky is red’; 3 and in the morning, ‘It will be foul weather today, for the sky is red and threatening.’ Hypocrites! You know how to discern the face of the sky, but you cannot discern the signs of the times. 4 A wicked and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign shall be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah.” And He left them and departed. Matt 16:1-4
    Do you see?  We are not to look at the literal “face of the sky” to observe when Jesus began ruling, or a specific date for the end of the world.  But, whatever JWs want to see, Satan will provide it.
     When Jesus said,
    “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.”  Matt 24:29
    …is he meaning literal signs on the face of the sky? What are the “heavens” that will be shaken?  The “moon” is the promised “woman” New Covenant, her seed are the anointed heavenly “stars”.  Do you see how they can be “heavenly” even though they are on the earth? (Gal 4:26; Heb 12:22; Rev 12:1,2;1:20; Dan 12:3) It is through them, through their “tribulation” that the Kingdom of God will be ushered in. It is THEY, who are “shaken”.   (Heb 12:25-29; Rev 6:13; Dan 8:10)  These “earthquakes” that Jesus speaks of in Matt 24:7, this shaking, is the harvest of the “sons of the kingdom”, of “Israel”.  (Matt 13:37-43)
    Amos 9:9 – “For I will give the command, and I will shake the people of Israel among all the nations as grain is shaken in a sieve, and not a pebble will reach the ground. All the sinners among My people
        will die by the sword,
    all those who say,
        ‘Disaster will not overtake or meet us.’”  ( 1 Thess 5:3)  (Do you believe you will be saved from disaster as a member of the organization?)
    Be assured, Satan is quite capable of throwing you a curve ball to draw you away from the true “war” at hand. The tribulation has to do with those under covenant, accepting lies that Satan and his agents put before them, or defending truth that must be received by rejecting the lies, at the cost of the life they once enjoyed. (Rev 3:18) They must follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, and not the teachings of men who devise their own doctrine.  (Rev 13:1,2,5-7,11,12,15; 16:13-16) (Matt 10:18,22,39; John 16:2)
    Yet, JWs seem to love “new” doctrine.  Jer 2:31,35,36; 5:31
    By taking 1914, a date said to be the “birth” of Kingdom, that the “day of the lord” has come, your whole premise of calculating when the world will end, has no meaning.  Do you also believe that labor pains follow a birth as your leaders do? 
    w53 12/15 p. 756-757 - The kingdoms of this world had their death warrant sealed when the “appointed times of the nations” expired in 1914. They cannot stand up against the kingdom that was then born in the heavens. 
    ws13 7/15 p. 4-5 - So the war that began in 1914 was not the beginning of the great tribulation. It was the “beginning of pangs of distress.” (Matthew 24:8) 
    The accurate translation for “pangs of distress” in Matt 24:8:
    ὠδίν ōdín, o-deen'; akin to G3601; a pang or throe, especially of childbirth:—pain, sorrow, travail.
    Check the rendition for this scripture in various translations. You will find that the general use is “birth pangs”. 
    The same word is found in 1 Thess 5:3 – “For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail G5604 upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.”
    You are believing that a kingdom was “born”, and its evidence is the “birth pangs” that follow the birth.  Does this make sense?  The Kingdom that will be “born”, is God’s Kingdom, and this is through the fulfillment of the “woman” New Covenant – the Temple of “living stones” reaching completion, when the capstone is sealed.  Zech 4:7-9
    How is it you can quote scriptures guarding against false predictions, but then decide it is okay to calculate a year when the world will end?  Isn’t this showing disrespect for caution outlined in the God's word?  Although the apostles spoke of the day being close, they never set a date.  Are you greater than these men, the foundation stones of truth? (Eph 2:20-22) Have you been told by God through a vision to provide us with a date?  Or, did you get out your calculator and put numbers together, just as all the leaders of the Wt have done?  I know I’m blunt, but please, think about the ramifications of going against the admonition outlined in the Word of God.
    "Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters, 2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the Day of the Lord  has already come. 3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God." 2 Thess 2:1-4
     
    https://pearl-thewoman.blogspot.com/
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Pudgy in Physical attendance at meetings/assemblies and "Zoom" attendance   
    I don’t recall the apostles conforming to the belief of three major meetings per year.   Their goal was to make the effort to move away from such traditions. (Col 2:16,17)    I use to swallow down the idea that three yearly meeting were “biblical”, but with the coming of Jesus Christ and the “new” way to worship – in spirit and in truth – I now see the organization reverting right back to beliefs before Jesus came to earth.  Is Jesus the organization's stumbling block? Is it caught between a hybrid of worship involving the nation of Israel, and its temple worship and traditions, while refusing to accept and recognize the "temple" worship that involves "Israel"?
      The anointed since Christ, “Israel”, do not need to observe an earthly pattern of worship, but only the heavenly, involving the heavenly Temple, and not the earthly desires for “organization”.   (Heb 8:3-6; Col 3:2; 2:8) (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22)
    We need to keep in mind that God's dwelling/Temple today, has been trampled by men assuming to formulate their own form of worship.  (Matt 24:15,16; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2)
    “When you come to appear before Me,
    Who has required this from your hand,
    To trample My courts?
    13 Bring no more futile sacrifices;
    Incense is an abomination to Me.
    The New Moons, the Sabbaths, and the calling of assemblies—
    I cannot endure iniquity and the sacred meeting.
    14 Your New Moons and your appointed feasts
    My soul hates;
    They are a trouble to Me,
    I am weary of bearing them.
    15 When you spread out your hands,
    I will hide My eyes from you;
    Even though you make many prayers,
    I will not hear.
    Your hands are full of blood."  Isa 1:12-15
    Rev 16:4-7
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Conscience individual and collective   
    It is hard to face truth, is this the real reason why you have decided not to peek?  
    So, Your GB member A. Morris is totally sane about expressing what Armageddon will be like – people dead along the streets, looking like “charred hotdogs”.  This said in a mixed audience of adults and children.
    If I was to wager, I would say A. Morris who has a very boastful appearance before all, most definitely has a demon causing his mental illness; and it doesn’t necessarily come from a bottle.  Of course, his character in these matters probably doesn’t come up too much in conversation among JWs.
    "We are not trying again to recommend ourselves to you; rather, we are trying to give you a good reason to be proud of us, so that you will be able to answer those who boast about people's appearance and not about their character. 13 Are we really insane? It is for God's sake. Or are we sane? Then it is for your sake. 14 We are ruled by the love of Christ, now that we recognize that one man died for everyone, which means that they all share in his death. 15 He died for all, so that those who live should no longer live for themselves, but only for him who died and was raised to life for their sake."  2 Cor 5:12-15
    When one of the GB members gets up from the table of lies and decides to follow Jesus Christ outside of the idol/organization, then we will know that he no longer lives for himself.  
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Conscience individual and collective   
    This reminds me of Jer 5:30,31 which sums up the GB/false prophets, and the elder "priests" who "represent the royal priesthood"; and whose authority to do so, cannot be challenged.
    “A horrible and shocking thing
        has happened in the land:
    The prophets prophesy lies, the priests rule by their own authority, and my people love it this way. But what will you do in the end?"
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Conscience individual and collective   
    It is hard to face truth, is this the real reason why you have decided not to peek?  
    So, Your GB member A. Morris is totally sane about expressing what Armageddon will be like – people dead along the streets, looking like “charred hotdogs”.  This said in a mixed audience of adults and children.
    If I was to wager, I would say A. Morris who has a very boastful appearance before all, most definitely has a demon causing his mental illness; and it doesn’t necessarily come from a bottle.  Of course, his character in these matters probably doesn’t come up too much in conversation among JWs.
    "We are not trying again to recommend ourselves to you; rather, we are trying to give you a good reason to be proud of us, so that you will be able to answer those who boast about people's appearance and not about their character. 13 Are we really insane? It is for God's sake. Or are we sane? Then it is for your sake. 14 We are ruled by the love of Christ, now that we recognize that one man died for everyone, which means that they all share in his death. 15 He died for all, so that those who live should no longer live for themselves, but only for him who died and was raised to life for their sake."  2 Cor 5:12-15
    When one of the GB members gets up from the table of lies and decides to follow Jesus Christ outside of the idol/organization, then we will know that he no longer lives for himself.  
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Conscience individual and collective   
    This reminds me of Jer 5:30,31 which sums up the GB/false prophets, and the elder "priests" who "represent the royal priesthood"; and whose authority to do so, cannot be challenged.
    “A horrible and shocking thing
        has happened in the land:
    The prophets prophesy lies, the priests rule by their own authority, and my people love it this way. But what will you do in the end?"
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from César Chávez in Conscience individual and collective   
    It is hard to face truth, is this the real reason why you have decided not to peek?  
    So, Your GB member A. Morris is totally sane about expressing what Armageddon will be like – people dead along the streets, looking like “charred hotdogs”.  This said in a mixed audience of adults and children.
    If I was to wager, I would say A. Morris who has a very boastful appearance before all, most definitely has a demon causing his mental illness; and it doesn’t necessarily come from a bottle.  Of course, his character in these matters probably doesn’t come up too much in conversation among JWs.
    "We are not trying again to recommend ourselves to you; rather, we are trying to give you a good reason to be proud of us, so that you will be able to answer those who boast about people's appearance and not about their character. 13 Are we really insane? It is for God's sake. Or are we sane? Then it is for your sake. 14 We are ruled by the love of Christ, now that we recognize that one man died for everyone, which means that they all share in his death. 15 He died for all, so that those who live should no longer live for themselves, but only for him who died and was raised to life for their sake."  2 Cor 5:12-15
    When one of the GB members gets up from the table of lies and decides to follow Jesus Christ outside of the idol/organization, then we will know that he no longer lives for himself.  
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in Conscience individual and collective   
    It is hard to face truth, is this the real reason why you have decided not to peek?  
    So, Your GB member A. Morris is totally sane about expressing what Armageddon will be like – people dead along the streets, looking like “charred hotdogs”.  This said in a mixed audience of adults and children.
    If I was to wager, I would say A. Morris who has a very boastful appearance before all, most definitely has a demon causing his mental illness; and it doesn’t necessarily come from a bottle.  Of course, his character in these matters probably doesn’t come up too much in conversation among JWs.
    "We are not trying again to recommend ourselves to you; rather, we are trying to give you a good reason to be proud of us, so that you will be able to answer those who boast about people's appearance and not about their character. 13 Are we really insane? It is for God's sake. Or are we sane? Then it is for your sake. 14 We are ruled by the love of Christ, now that we recognize that one man died for everyone, which means that they all share in his death. 15 He died for all, so that those who live should no longer live for themselves, but only for him who died and was raised to life for their sake."  2 Cor 5:12-15
    When one of the GB members gets up from the table of lies and decides to follow Jesus Christ outside of the idol/organization, then we will know that he no longer lives for himself.  
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Conscience individual and collective   
    Although Jesus was labeled as the apostate, the great apostasy was committed by the Pharisees and those who remained under their rule. 
    Jesus said, “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.”  Matt 7:13
    Jesus is the gate, the door to eternal life – NOT an earthly organization full of 8 million or so people.  (John 10:7-10) How do Jesus' spiritual words transform into an earthly organization that contributes to the world of corruption? (Job 14:4)   His words are pure and true. (John 17:17)   We are not to add to them with rules and regulations from men; but clearly the organization demands it, since earthly “organization” requires it.   (Col 2:20-23; Gal 1:6,7)   This perversion of God’s word wasn’t approved by Jesus, or the apostles.  It is approved by false apostles pretending to be sent from God.  (Matt 24:24,25; 2 Thess 2:1-3; 2 Cor 11:13-15,4; Rev 2:20)
    Gal 1:8,9 “But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!”
    What is the "other gospel "being preached by JWs?   It is that the organization is necessary for one's eternal life.  (Rom 1:25)
    Under the Pharisaical rule in the organization, another great apostasy is at work.  When men are praised and admired while they teach their falsehoods (because they are excused for their “imperfections”), JWs choose to live in an environment of apostasy.
    If the leadership of the organization was established by God and Jesus, we would see their teachings remaining. (John 15:16; Matt 7:20)  Old books would hold the same truth as today’s books, and what would be the necessity for new books then?  There would be no dates set for Armageddon (Dan 2:21), no excuses would be made for their errors such as the generation teachings which is a sign of spiritual famine. (Isa 28:23-26; Amos 8:11,12; Jer 23:16)  No disfellowshipping of those who do not tolerate lies. (Rev 13:4,15) No families would be severed for rejecting false prophesy, and an organization as the path of salvation, which is idolatry.  No victim of child abuse would suffer shame, and be rejected by their family.  (Matt 24:9-13; Luke 12:53; Micah 7:6)
    Sin is never applied to the GB. NEVER. They are called imperfections. Yet, the operation of the organization under their care, is FULL of sin. (Rev 13:11,12) The GB are excused for their actions, by all JWs.  This is a slick trick; it is accomplished by evil deception. (2 Cor 11:3,4,13-15)
    “If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us.”  1 John 1:8-10
    “Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness. 5 But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin. 6 No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.”  1 John 3:4-6
    Each obvious ploy to change doctrine by calling it “new light”, is a coverup for sin. Today, there is no compassion toward the sheep for the harm they have cause by teaching lies; and only those who spiritually wake up to the devastating harm this rulership has committed, can “feel” the affects of the thief’s purpose to “steal, kill and destroy”, by robbing them from Jesus Christ - who is the WAY, THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE - NO ONE COMES TO THE FATHER EXCEPT THROUGH HIM.  (John 14:6)  
    According to the organization, the person who rejects the false teachings, is called the sinner.  This contradicts the words of Christ and the Father, who expect us to leave false teachers, not “wait” for something to change.  We become sinners, if we continue to entertain false teachers.  Jesus pleaded with his people to leave the "organization" and its rule under the Pharisees.  (Luke 13:34)
     Jesus said his people were blind.  They could not hear the truth in his words. (John 12:38-41;2 Cor 4:4) They were arrogant, with hardened hearts.  However, the Pharisees knew Jesus was from God, but he was a threat to their earthly rule, so he had to be eliminated. (John 3:2; Mark 3:6) Today, if an anointed one stands up for truth, such as Ray Franz and so many others, they are the threat that must be eliminated.  (John 16:2; Rev 13:15)
    “You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell? 34 Therefore I am sending you prophets and sages and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town.”  Matt 23:33,34 
    Any who leave these false teachers and their large system of religious government, are labeled the apostate.  Among these “apostates”, are those who enter the gate.  They obey the Father and Jesus, and follow his teachings. 
     I think the definition for “deceit” should be repeated:
    “the act of causing someone to accept as true or valid what is false or invalid : the act or practice of deceiving : deception achieving one's goals through a web of deceit.”
    JWs were convinced to accept dates for Armageddon as solid proof from God’s word that these dates would be fulfilled.  People’s lives were affected, but did the organization’s leaders blame themselves for their sin, or did they put the blame on those who listened to them?
    Here’s an example of a false prophet who caused God’s people to trust in a lie, which is what JWs are being promised by their leaders:
    “Zephaniah the priest, however, read the letter to Jeremiah the prophet. 30 Then the word of the Lord came to Jeremiah: 31 “Send this message to all the exiles: ‘This is what the Lord says about Shemaiah the Nehelamite: Because Shemaiah has prophesied to you, even though I did not send him, and has persuaded you to trust in lies, 32 this is what the Lord says: I will surely punish Shemaiah the Nehelamite and his descendants. He will have no one left among this people, nor will he see the good things I will do for my people, declares the Lord, because he has preached rebellion against me.’”
    Gerrit Loesch asks that you trust him, because he is a liar and knows it.  To preserve his prominence and his riches, he must persuade you, to trust him.  He is a liar to say God and Jesus trust him. He is rebelling against God.  (Prov 12:22; 19:9; Isa 59:2,3)  The Father has not changed. We have the same God that spoke to Jeremiah and to all the prophets about the sins of His people.    He sees the persuasions enforced for JWs to tolerate and accept the ongoing lies by men, which have been reoccurring since day one in the Wt.  How you all have forgotten the results of sin committed by the nation of Israel, and have been persuaded that spiritual "Israel" is not full of sin today.  
     God’s standards have not been lowered to accommodate the organization.  What a mockery to think they have.  All who put their trust in the GB and the organization, will have to face Jesus Christ for the choice they make. (Matt 7:21-23; Rev 16:13-16;18:4-8)
     
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