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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Conscience individual and collective   
    Everything is wrong with this picture.
    Everything.
    The distressed sister was preventing another member of the Body to “partake”. Perhaps she was enjoying her presumed prestige she experienced in that congregation?  She couldn’t tolerate a rival.  The sister who went to the elder is equally guilty, if she listened to him and did not partake.  Her first inclination should have been to approach the distressed sister with scriptures, who should have been over the moon knowing another anointed had joined her. (1 Cor 12:15-26; 11:33)  Perhaps it is only in her own mind that the distressed one had put herself upon a pedestal…sort of like her example, Tony Morris.   
    The elder, is also guilty.  He is not the mediator between Jesus Christ and the members of his body. (1 Tim 2:5)   But, that is the setup of the organization, and it is blasphemy.  Rev 13:5-8)  They have the power to rule over a spiritual nation, the “special possession” of God, and the anointed allow it.  Whenever this has happened in the past with Israel, it is because of their sins.  The anointed have left Jesus Christ and allowed men to dictate their every move.
    Gal 1:10 - For do I now persuade men, or God? Or do I seek to please men? For if I still pleased men, I would not be a bondservant of Christ.
    Obviously, the example provided shows this. 
    The elders, “represent the royal priesthood”, which means, they are an active representation of God’s priests.  They are acting in the capacity of priests.  On the other hand, the members of God’s authentic priesthood are told they cannot act as priests until the Kingdom.  In actuality, they are treated no different than any other JW.  But their representatives are treated with honor.  Every JW is told they must submit to their decrees.  This has made it convenient, for men to rule over and trample the anointed.  The power of the holy ones (aside of any who may be anointed within the GB at present) does not exist.  (Dan 12:7; Matt 24:15,16; 2 Thess 2:3,4) And, the GB's power does not come from Jesus Christ anyway.  (Matt 24:24; Rev 13:11,12)
    Mal 2:7 - “For the lips of a priest ought to preserve knowledge, because he is the messenger of the Lord Almighty and people seek instruction from his mouth.”
    The dichotomy to Mal 2:7 is this:
    The lips of the elders who “represent the royal priesthood” ought to preserve knowledge, because he is the messenger of the GB, and JWs seek instruction from his mouth.
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Conscience individual and collective   
    Everything is wrong with this picture.
    Everything.
    The distressed sister was preventing another member of the Body to “partake”. Perhaps she was enjoying her presumed prestige she experienced in that congregation?  She couldn’t tolerate a rival.  The sister who went to the elder is equally guilty, if she listened to him and did not partake.  Her first inclination should have been to approach the distressed sister with scriptures, who should have been over the moon knowing another anointed had joined her. (1 Cor 12:15-26; 11:33)  Perhaps it is only in her own mind that the distressed one had put herself upon a pedestal…sort of like her example, Tony Morris.   
    The elder, is also guilty.  He is not the mediator between Jesus Christ and the members of his body. (1 Tim 2:5)   But, that is the setup of the organization, and it is blasphemy.  Rev 13:5-8)  They have the power to rule over a spiritual nation, the “special possession” of God, and the anointed allow it.  Whenever this has happened in the past with Israel, it is because of their sins.  The anointed have left Jesus Christ and allowed men to dictate their every move.
    Gal 1:10 - For do I now persuade men, or God? Or do I seek to please men? For if I still pleased men, I would not be a bondservant of Christ.
    Obviously, the example provided shows this. 
    The elders, “represent the royal priesthood”, which means, they are an active representation of God’s priests.  They are acting in the capacity of priests.  On the other hand, the members of God’s authentic priesthood are told they cannot act as priests until the Kingdom.  In actuality, they are treated no different than any other JW.  But their representatives are treated with honor.  Every JW is told they must submit to their decrees.  This has made it convenient, for men to rule over and trample the anointed.  The power of the holy ones (aside of any who may be anointed within the GB at present) does not exist.  (Dan 12:7; Matt 24:15,16; 2 Thess 2:3,4) And, the GB's power does not come from Jesus Christ anyway.  (Matt 24:24; Rev 13:11,12)
    Mal 2:7 - “For the lips of a priest ought to preserve knowledge, because he is the messenger of the Lord Almighty and people seek instruction from his mouth.”
    The dichotomy to Mal 2:7 is this:
    The lips of the elders who “represent the royal priesthood” ought to preserve knowledge, because he is the messenger of the GB, and JWs seek instruction from his mouth.
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Conscience individual and collective   
    You are not aware of the many accounts, I suppose, of anointed who have approached the elders saying they are anointed, yet the elders say they aren't?   How many "mentally imbalanced" anointed are told they are not anointed and cannot partake?  Only God knows, right?
    Are you saying that the GB are liars about not approving of the anointed to bond and study the Bible together?
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Conscience individual and collective   
    Do you enjoy having such power to discipline  all JWs?  Do you realize you have been given power by men to judge the anointed royal priesthood/"Israel"/Temple/dwelling of God? (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22.  Is this power originating from God?  
    2 Thess 2:1-4 - "Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters, 2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come. 3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God." 
    Next time you pass the memorial emblems to an anointed one who cannot join with other anointed to study God's word together, I hope you think about this.  It is a control issue, and you are a part of it as an elder. (Rev 13:5-8,11,12,15)  You also have the power to tell someone they are not anointed and cannot partake.   Jesus and his disciples that formed the foundation of the Temple of God, did not have those not invited to his supper, passing the emblems to them. 
    Who really should receive discipline for not following God's word?  
    "But you and your sons with you shall attend to your priesthood for everything that concerns the altar and inside the veil, and you are to perform service. I am giving you the priesthood as a service that is a gift, and the unauthorized person who comes near shall be put to death."  Num 18:7
    "But no one is to enter the house of the LORD except the priests and the ministering Levites; they may enter, for they are holy. And all the people are to keep the command of the LORD." 2 Chron 23:6
    'This is what the Lord GOD says: "No foreigner uncircumcised in heart and uncircumcised in flesh, of all the foreigners who are among the sons of Israel, shall enter My sanctuary."  Ezek 44:9
    Have the elders entered God's sanctuary?  Yes, they have the authority to "represent the royal priesthood".  But, there is no scripture that allows for "uncircumcised" men to act as God's priests. Thus, the Temple in the anointed are slandered, silenced and judged.
    "If anyone destroys the temple of God, God will destroy that person; for the temple of God is holy, and that is what you are."  1 Cor 3:17
    Rev 11:1,2 -  "I was given a reed like a measuring rod and was told, “Go and measure the temple of God and the altar, with its worshipers. 2 But exclude the outer court; do not measure it, because it has been given to the Gentiles. They will trample on the holy city for 42 months."  
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Conscience individual and collective   
    The consequence of a spiritual "death", as one ex-elder put it recently, in a video I watched?  (John 16:2)
    You must not be up-to-date with the old light on disfellowshipping.
     
     

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    Witness got a reaction from Pudgy in Conscience individual and collective   
    You are not aware of the many accounts, I suppose, of anointed who have approached the elders saying they are anointed, yet the elders say they aren't?   How many "mentally imbalanced" anointed are told they are not anointed and cannot partake?  Only God knows, right?
    Are you saying that the GB are liars about not approving of the anointed to bond and study the Bible together?
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Musing on prayer   
    So, you are applying this to praying to,  and worshipping Jesus Christ?
    Rev 5:6-14
    Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain, standing at the center of the throne, encircled by the four living creatures and the elders. The Lamb had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits[a] of God sent out into all the earth. 7 He went and took the scroll from the right hand of him who sat on the throne. 8 And when he had taken it, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb. Each one had a harp and they were holding golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of God’s people. 9 And they sang a new song, saying:
    “You are worthy to take the scroll
        and to open its seals,
    because you were slain,
        and with your blood you purchased for God
        persons from every tribe and language and people and nation.
    10 You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God,
        and they will reign on the earth.”
    11 Then I looked and heard the voice of many angels, numbering thousands upon thousands, and ten thousand times ten thousand. They encircled the throne and the living creatures and the elders. 12 In a loud voice they were saying:
    “Worthy is the Lamb, who was slain,
        to receive power and wealth and wisdom and strength
        and honor and glory and praise!”
    13 Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all that is in them, saying:
    “To Him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb
        be praise and honor and glory and power,
    for ever and ever!”
    14 The four living creatures said, “Amen,” and the elders fell down and worshiped.
     
    Both the Father and the Son are “worshiped” in this passage. But I suppose in your mind you may be thinking that the falling down was only toward the Lamb, and the worship was given only to the Father. 
     
     
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Musing on prayer   
    bow down, do homage, adore, worship, fall on knees - to anyone entitled
    Pope is entitled, King and President are entitled, Caesar is entitled ...etc. King can present not only secular but spiritual (religious) authority. Elizabeth II is a monarch who heads the Church of England. Would a JW member bow (in any of possible form) to this Queen? She is entitled, because of Romans 13! Pope is entitled because of same verses.
    To what extent of understanding, about what is “worship” and what is not, will someone go?
    JW members are forbidden, by GB decree, to paint walls in some non-JW church. Is that sort of worship? Is that supporting "false religion"? Being part of UN and OSCE and sitting with religious leaders of various churches, done by GB, is it not showing "support" for secular and religious things -  and sort of bow down, do homage, adore, worship, fall on knees .... if we stretch the terms a little to degree of famous painting church walls?
    Problem of understanding exist, of course, but WTJWorg contributing to that confuse too.
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Musing on prayer   
    Who was involved in the conversation?  Everyone?
    Who does Jesus worship?  He worships the Father.
    Does Satan worship God?  No. Satan wanted Jesus to worship him.  
    What did Jesus remind Satan about worship?  
    No one else but the two of them, was in the conversation.
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Musing on prayer   
    God’s Word is Truth.  It provides the Way to life.
    As the Logos, the messenger of God’s Word, Jesus is the Truth, the Way, and the Life.  No one comes to the Father except through him.  John 14:6  We've heard this many times.
    And yet, there is more.
    “The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him.”  Col 1:15,16 
    If we happened to know a person who was a walking “encyclopedia”, who knew the answers to all of our questions, we would frequently seek him out.   This would fit the case of Solomon.
    1 Kings 4:29-34 -
    God gave Solomon wisdom and very great insight, and a breadth of understanding as measureless as the sand on the seashore. 30 Solomon’s wisdom was greater than the wisdom of all the people of the East, and greater than all the wisdom of Egypt. 31 He was wiser than anyone else, including Ethan the Ezrahite—wiser than Heman, Kalkol and Darda, the sons of Mahol. And his fame spread to all the surrounding nations. 32 He spoke three thousand proverbs and his songs numbered a thousand and five. 33 He spoke about plant life, from the cedar of Lebanon to the hyssop that grows out of walls. He also spoke about animals and birds, reptiles and fish. 34 From all nations people came to listen to Solomon’s wisdom, sent by all the kings of the world, who had heard of his wisdom.
    One mortal man was given such wisdom.  The depth of who Jesus is, and his wisdom seems impossible for us to fathom, but he wants us to learn this wisdom, directly from him.  And then we have the Wt, who created a gap between reaching out to him and his wisdom, with the decision that less emphasis was to be given to Jesus, and more emphasis on “Jehovah”.   This gap has grown over the years.  Another gap was created between the anointed and their relationship with Jesus, which is daunting for them to face.  They allow the power of physical men to rule over that relationship, which really isn’t a relationship at all.  Reaching out to their Savior personally, reaching out to the members of his body, comes with a cost of losing the life they know as JWs. (Matt 10:39)  It can only be a setup by the evil one.  No one should regulate how we worship the Father and the Son.     
    Preventing ourselves from praying, speaking to Jesus, limits also our relationship with the Father. (Rom 8:38,39)
    If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well.  John 14:7
    John 21:25  -  “Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.”
    Pearl commented on this once:
    “When I read that verse, I reflect upon the reality that Jesus was the Tree of Life in Eden.  He was the wellspring that reflected the mind of God.  He said, “All that the Father has, is mine”.  I’m sure that alluded to Jesus having a limitless resource of truth.  His depiction of having hair, white as snow, reflects his wisdom.  Imagine the required intelligence needed, to create everything in the physical realm…various biospheres, internal organs, the propagation and reproduction of living things, our consciousness, the microbiology of the soil.  It’s endless.  Jesus is the source of wisdom for mankind.  We ourselves cannot grasp the Father.  But Jesus comes from the Father’s bosom.  Isa 40:13 asks, Who has known the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?”  But we have the mind of Christ” (1 Cor 2:16)  It is the words of Jesus that can instruct the human mind in divine truth.  I think that John was commenting on his experience with Jesus…that every word from him, reflected his great wisdom.  Johns saw that the wisdom of Jesus, was boundless.  Any attempt to record all that Jesus knew, “the world could not contain the books that would written”.
     
     
     
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Musing on prayer   
    In continue John chapter 14, verse 15 say:  If ye love me, keep my commandments.
    We have; ME and MY.
    Love ME.
    Keep MY commandments.
    When answering the question of the greatest commandment, he began with: Love God (JHVH nwt) and ended with Love Neighbor.
    Who was Jesus on Earth, to disciple? Neighbor? I don't think so. But for sure he was; God, Son of God, Lord, Master, King etc?
    In this verse he not directed people to LOVE JHVH. In this verse he not directed people to KEEP commandments of JHVH. He directed people to himself. Interesting.
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Musing on prayer   
    I know I’m very passionate about this, but if I return to what @xero started with…
    "I ask him and talk to him on the basis of Jesus and his office as high priest and king, however if prayer is respectful speech to God, then what is respectful speech to Jesus? Am I not supposed to talk to him? All authority is given him in heaven and on earth by Jehovah, so recently I've been feeling that I'm treating Jesus like a simple messenger and go-between, which he certainly IS as a mediator, but not at all simple. But am I not allowed to talk to him? Is he not my Lord and Savior? "
    …I can detect that the organization’s teachings about Christ and who he is, have little depth.  Xero perceives something is missing.  I hear JWs refer to the “ransom” more than they refer to Jesus Christ.  The “ruler of this world” will do everything possible to limit the perception of Jesus, and prevent one from approaching him in prayer; especially among those who are part of his Body. (Matt 24:24)  We have to remember that this is war, between “seeds”.  Gen 3:15
    “For the Father loves the Son and shows him all he does. Yes, and he will show him even greater works than these, so that you will be amazed. 
    21 For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it. 
    22 Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, 
    23 that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him.  John 5:20-23
    The word, “honor” has this meaning:
    τιμάω timáō, tim-ah'-o; from G5093; to prize, i.e. fix a valuation upon; by implication, to revere:—honour, value.
    Definition of “revere” -
    : to show devoted deferential honor to : regard as worthy of great honor
    Synonyms: “adore, deify, glorify, reverence, venerate, worship” 
    John 10:30 – “I and the Father are one”.
    The same honor, is to be given to the Father and to his Son, the  "Everlasting Father" of the Kingdom's children. (Isa 9:6)  The Son glorifies the Father, and the Father glorifies the Son.   
    “Father, the hour has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. 2 For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. 3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. 4 I have brought you glory on earth by finishing the work you gave me to do. 5 And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began."  John 17:1-5
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Musing on prayer   
    I don't either.  🙂
    But I see it here:  https://biblehub.com/interlinear/john/14-14.htm
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    Witness reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Musing on prayer   
    John 14 : 14   (Bible Hub)
    New International Version
    You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.

    New Living Translation
    Yes, ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it!

    English Standard Version
    If you ask me anything in my name, I will do it.

    Berean Study Bible
    If you ask Me for anything in My name, I will do it.
    I have the 1985 Interlinear and the word ME is removed.  
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Musing on prayer   
    "And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 You may ask me  for anything in my name, and I will do it."  John 14:13,14  NIV
    Do you have a copy of the Wt. Greek Kingdom Interlinear?  This attachment is from the 1969 edition, and notice how the word, "me" is removed from the English rendering on the right for John 14:14.  
    Today's NWT also omits the word "me" - "If you ask anything in my name, I will do it."
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Musing on prayer   
    We were all meant to understand the word of God. If that wasn’t the case, we wouldn’t recognize truth.   Yes, the anointed are to be the teachers that bring living water they have received from the spirit of the Father and Christ, to those who crave it.  The same living water fills each heart.   (Mal 2:7; John 4:14; 7:38+)
    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mal+2%3A7%3B+John+4%3A14%3B+7%3A38%3B+John13%3A20%3B+Matt.10%3A14%3B+Luke+10%3A16%3B+1Cor.4%3A1%3B+2Cor.5%3A20%3B+Col.1%3A20%3B+Mal.2%3A7%3B+Rev.1%3A6%3B+5%3A10%3B+Zech.8%3A23%3B+Rev.21%3A3%3B+Micah4%3A2%3B+Rev.14%3A1&version=CSB
    You have already been blessed by Holy Spirit.  Without it, you would not perceive the peril that the anointed face in the organization.  You recognize that the elder body have replaced God’s priesthood.   The elders “stand where they do not belong”, in the Temple/dwelling of God. (Mark 13:14; 1 Cor 3:16; Rev 11:2; Dan 7:25; 8:10,13; 11:36; 2 Thess 2:4; Luke 21:24; Rev 13:10,7)
    Could we perceive this on our own, without the blessing of our eyes being opened? (Isa 35:5; Acts 26:17,18) This blindness was prophesied to occur during the last days. (Isa 6:10; Col 2:8; Rev 13:10,11,12,14; 2:20)  You have reacted appropriately to the sins and hypocrisy that you witness in the organization, and have left – you have exited the apostate “city”. (Rev 18:4-8) You look for the “mountains/hills” of Judea where the “true anointed” will be found.  (Matt 24:15,16)
    I know you have noticed that most JWs here, cannot see the grave circumstances that exist among the anointed and themselves in the organization.  Instead, there is mocking, a turning of the head, and complacency when it is addressed.  Why? Their eyes are sealed over. (John 12:40; 2 Cor 11:13-15; Rev 16:13-16) They are drinking “Wormwood’s” (fallen anointed) poisoned waters, and not those from Christ, although they believe they are. (Heb 12:15; Rev 8:10,11; Jude 1:12,13) They have accepted the life they want, even though they are “always learning but never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.”  (1 Thess 5:3; 2 Tim 3:7; 4:1)   When we put a stop to drinking in those lies, and begin our search by praying for authentic truth, the veil is lifted from our spiritual eyes.  (Rev 3:18-20)
    Here are just a few scriptures that apply to those not anointed, and to all:
    John 11:25,26 - Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me, even if he dies, will live.  Everyone who lives and believes in me will never die. Do you believe this? ”  John 11:25,26
    Heb 6:10 - “For God is not unjust; he will not forget your work and the love you demonstrated for his name by serving the saints -- and by continuing to serve them.”
    1 Cor 1:2 – “To the church of God at Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus, called as saints, with all those in every place who call on the name of Jesus Christ our Lord -- both their Lord and ours.”
    Matt 25:37-40 - “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and take you in, or without clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick, or in prison, and visit you?’
    40 “And the King will answer them, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’
    "The Spirit is the one who gives life. The flesh doesn't help at all. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life.”
    Rev 22:17“Both the Spirit and the bride say, "Come! " Let anyone who hears, say, "Come! " Let the one who is thirsty come. Let the one who desires take the water of life freely.”
    “Then he told his servants, 'The banquet is ready, but those who were invited were not worthy. 9 "Go then to where the roads exit the city and invite everyone you find to the banquet.' 10 "So those servants went out on the roads and gathered everyone they found, both evil and good. The wedding banquet was filled with guests.”
    This banquet is the revealing of truth, the unfolding of Revelation which you are already beginning to perceive through the blessing of Holy Spirit. (Ps 119:130; Dan 8:26; 12:4)  The true "faithful" anointed do not arrive with bells and whistles as the GB have, with their army of elders; but in time, the “mountain” of truth will become more prominent, and the mountain of lies will become level ground.  Zech 4:1-14
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from xero in Musing on prayer   
    "And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 You may ask me  for anything in my name, and I will do it."  John 14:13,14  NIV
    Do you have a copy of the Wt. Greek Kingdom Interlinear?  This attachment is from the 1969 edition, and notice how the word, "me" is removed from the English rendering on the right for John 14:14.  
    Today's NWT also omits the word "me" - "If you ask anything in my name, I will do it."
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Musing on prayer   
    "And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 You may ask me  for anything in my name, and I will do it."  John 14:13,14  NIV
    Do you have a copy of the Wt. Greek Kingdom Interlinear?  This attachment is from the 1969 edition, and notice how the word, "me" is removed from the English rendering on the right for John 14:14.  
    Today's NWT also omits the word "me" - "If you ask anything in my name, I will do it."
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Musing on prayer   
    We were all meant to understand the word of God. If that wasn’t the case, we wouldn’t recognize truth.   Yes, the anointed are to be the teachers that bring living water they have received from the spirit of the Father and Christ, to those who crave it.  The same living water fills each heart.   (Mal 2:7; John 4:14; 7:38+)
    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mal+2%3A7%3B+John+4%3A14%3B+7%3A38%3B+John13%3A20%3B+Matt.10%3A14%3B+Luke+10%3A16%3B+1Cor.4%3A1%3B+2Cor.5%3A20%3B+Col.1%3A20%3B+Mal.2%3A7%3B+Rev.1%3A6%3B+5%3A10%3B+Zech.8%3A23%3B+Rev.21%3A3%3B+Micah4%3A2%3B+Rev.14%3A1&version=CSB
    You have already been blessed by Holy Spirit.  Without it, you would not perceive the peril that the anointed face in the organization.  You recognize that the elder body have replaced God’s priesthood.   The elders “stand where they do not belong”, in the Temple/dwelling of God. (Mark 13:14; 1 Cor 3:16; Rev 11:2; Dan 7:25; 8:10,13; 11:36; 2 Thess 2:4; Luke 21:24; Rev 13:10,7)
    Could we perceive this on our own, without the blessing of our eyes being opened? (Isa 35:5; Acts 26:17,18) This blindness was prophesied to occur during the last days. (Isa 6:10; Col 2:8; Rev 13:10,11,12,14; 2:20)  You have reacted appropriately to the sins and hypocrisy that you witness in the organization, and have left – you have exited the apostate “city”. (Rev 18:4-8) You look for the “mountains/hills” of Judea where the “true anointed” will be found.  (Matt 24:15,16)
    I know you have noticed that most JWs here, cannot see the grave circumstances that exist among the anointed and themselves in the organization.  Instead, there is mocking, a turning of the head, and complacency when it is addressed.  Why? Their eyes are sealed over. (John 12:40; 2 Cor 11:13-15; Rev 16:13-16) They are drinking “Wormwood’s” (fallen anointed) poisoned waters, and not those from Christ, although they believe they are. (Heb 12:15; Rev 8:10,11; Jude 1:12,13) They have accepted the life they want, even though they are “always learning but never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.”  (1 Thess 5:3; 2 Tim 3:7; 4:1)   When we put a stop to drinking in those lies, and begin our search by praying for authentic truth, the veil is lifted from our spiritual eyes.  (Rev 3:18-20)
    Here are just a few scriptures that apply to those not anointed, and to all:
    John 11:25,26 - Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me, even if he dies, will live.  Everyone who lives and believes in me will never die. Do you believe this? ”  John 11:25,26
    Heb 6:10 - “For God is not unjust; he will not forget your work and the love you demonstrated for his name by serving the saints -- and by continuing to serve them.”
    1 Cor 1:2 – “To the church of God at Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus, called as saints, with all those in every place who call on the name of Jesus Christ our Lord -- both their Lord and ours.”
    Matt 25:37-40 - “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and take you in, or without clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick, or in prison, and visit you?’
    40 “And the King will answer them, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’
    "The Spirit is the one who gives life. The flesh doesn't help at all. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life.”
    Rev 22:17“Both the Spirit and the bride say, "Come! " Let anyone who hears, say, "Come! " Let the one who is thirsty come. Let the one who desires take the water of life freely.”
    “Then he told his servants, 'The banquet is ready, but those who were invited were not worthy. 9 "Go then to where the roads exit the city and invite everyone you find to the banquet.' 10 "So those servants went out on the roads and gathered everyone they found, both evil and good. The wedding banquet was filled with guests.”
    This banquet is the revealing of truth, the unfolding of Revelation which you are already beginning to perceive through the blessing of Holy Spirit. (Ps 119:130; Dan 8:26; 12:4)  The true "faithful" anointed do not arrive with bells and whistles as the GB have, with their army of elders; but in time, the “mountain” of truth will become more prominent, and the mountain of lies will become level ground.  Zech 4:1-14
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Musing on prayer   
    Thank you.  This appears to be a NWT, which I personally cannot trust.   If the anointed Body of Christ is trampled in the organization, so is Jesus Christ, their Head.   Dan 8:25
    I find it helpful to get a broader view of what is being said.  Here’s a link for many translations, just for 2 Cor 12:9
    https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/2 Corinthians 12:9  
    Consider this, the anointed are part of Christ.  They are the members of his spiritual Body.  He is the Head.   With a physical body, all members are controlled by the head, the mind.  No?  How, can the anointed operate without consulting their Head?  They must meet his approval, they must ask for direction.  They are his future “wife”. 
    If we were beheaded we would die. If we were to ignore what our head/mind tells us, we would become a vegetable.
    This, is what I see happening with the anointed in the organization.  They are disconnected from their Head and rely on men to guide them, who prohibited from them connecting in prayer, with their Head, Jesus Christ.
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Musing on prayer   
    That is true.  But isn’t it quite remarkable what GB has done!  They have put themselves in the limelight, and express the need to trust them!  Look what they have accomplished and built.  And of course, the decrees they pass down must be obeyed. 
    I am being flippant, because the description you give of an anointed one does not fit the “anointed” leadership of the organization who glorify themselves before cameras, and before God.  Who have proclaimed that they will be with Christ before the final judgment has arrived.  Men, who expects obedience to their errors.
     “Brothers and sisters, consider what you were when God called you to be Christians. Not many of you were wise from a human point of view. You were not in powerful positions or in the upper social classes. 27 But God chose what the world considers nonsense to put wise people to shame. God chose what the world considers weak to put what is strong to shame. 28 God chose what the world considers ordinary and what it despises—what it considers to be nothing—in order to destroy what it considers to be something. 29 As a result, no one can brag in God’s presence. 30 You are partners with Christ Jesus because of God. Jesus has become our wisdom sent from God, our approval, our holiness, and our ransom from sin. 31 As Scripture says, “Whoever brags must brag about what the Lord has done.” 1 Cor 1:26-31
    These men, won’t last.  Rev 17:12,13,15-18
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in Musing on prayer   
    "And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 You may ask me  for anything in my name, and I will do it."  John 14:13,14  NIV
    Do you have a copy of the Wt. Greek Kingdom Interlinear?  This attachment is from the 1969 edition, and notice how the word, "me" is removed from the English rendering on the right for John 14:14.  
    Today's NWT also omits the word "me" - "If you ask anything in my name, I will do it."
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from César Chávez in They're better as a group, than they are individually - (observations from the outside)   
    Okay, but I ask, where is love for neighbor with this doctrine, a doctrine that for those who may not be like you, but totally embrace this timetable? Where is your love for your neighboring JWs?   This date is at the root of the organization’s teachings, and is a source of disfellowshipping for many who reject it.  Perhaps that is why you may be keeping your opinion to yourself? (Prov 29:25; Mark 10:29,30)
    I just heard a video clip that stated a document was prepared by the Chairman’s Committee of the GB, to change the date of 1914 to 1957.  Ray Franz comments on this document he was holding in the video:
    "Now, in this document, they suggest and advances an idea, that uh, the generation that would see the time of the end of all things should not be counted from 1914.  They fix on Jesus’ statement that there would be signs in the heavens, and so they suggest here that the date should be moved up to 1957, when the Sputnik was sent into space by the Russians, and they say, now this is the celestial phenomena that would indicate the generation that would see the final” (I didn’t catch the last word).
    It seems that this “Sputnik” idea was even brought out on this forum since I've been a member.  Someone can correct me on that.
    So, there you go.  If the doctrine of 1914 was correct, well established by the “slave” under the guidance of Jesus Christ, there would be no reason to consider moving the date.  There would be no need for David Splane to twist and turn the dates of Fred Franz’s birth and baptism…to make a new understanding of a date...they are too cowardly to admit is a lie. 
    And yet, it is a tool used to kick people to the curb, and why?  To save the face of men who have no pity for the damage they have done, to the lives of millions over the years. 
    Differing weights and varying measures—
    both are detestable to the Lord.  Prov 20:10
    Their hypocrisy should be detestable to us also.
    Have they proven to be “faithful and discreet”?  The word translated as “discreet”, actually has, as its definition…“wise”.  Matt 24:48-51
    There is no love for neighbor, no truth, no wisdom, no insight in the doctrine of 1914. 
    Yet, this date characterizes the organization that you belong to.
    "Now I urge you, brethren, note those who cause divisions and offenses, contrary to the doctrine which you learned, and avoid them. 18 For those who are such do not serve our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly, and by smooth words and flattering speech deceive the hearts of the simple. " Rom 16:17,18
     
     
     
     
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    Witness reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Musing on prayer   
    From scripture I've only seen Jesus guide the anointed to pray to Almight God. The anointed pray through Christ of course but I haven't seen Jesus say 'Pray to me' 
    However, I am not anointed, so I do not expect to fully understand scripture. I do not expect God or Chrsit to open up the scriptures to me. 
    I think there is a need for an organisation that is run by the True Anointed. The scripture of ten men clinging to the skirt of a JEW, has to be fulfilled. So I do not expect the Earthly class to fully understand scripture. 
    I agree that Christ and the Anointed 'are one' as in 'one spiritual body' with Christ as it's head.
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in They're better as a group, than they are individually - (observations from the outside)   
    Little funny intermezzo, if you don't mind. We have Russian Sputnik again, in form of vaccine. :))
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