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    Witness reacted to Matthew9969 in Watch Tower Sues Facebook & Mark Zuckerberg for Contempt of Court, Demands Daily Fine   
    Wow, Jehovah is suing facebook!
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Watch Tower Sues Facebook & Mark Zuckerberg for Contempt of Court, Demands Daily Fine   
    Industrial espionage.
    Intellectual espionage.
    Intellectual ownership, property.
    Spiritual, religious truths. Spiritual food that is free and should be given free, to share it to all people without distinction.
    WT Corporation loses money and they need money for many reasons. Beside common methods of collecting money by donation of members they are ready to "earn" money even by suing  people, or other institutions, even states.
    Contradiction of this GB directives is revealed by Bible itself. What "intellectual ownership" exist in WT Company??!!       Of What Sort is such intellectual property?? This are: Doctrinal falsehoods, errors, failed ideas, instructional wrongs, misconceptions, flip-flop teachings, futile hope/hopes/hoping for millions of members and other sympathizers. 
    Is that "food" worth anything? How much $ you will be ready to pay for past "new light" of WT publications? But JW members give money for similar "intellectual lies" today. Without any doubt! JW members pays with life and with money all such spiritual food from GBfds who "received (error) food for free from "God"", but after GB "Warwick kitchen cooking" they ask for money for distribution/sharing/dispensation process.
     Freely you have received; freely give. Mat 10:8 ....... But NO, they are so called OWNERS of INTELLECTUAL KNOWLEDGE that must be paid. :))))))))
     Shameless and Brazenly!!!
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    Witness reacted to Matthew9969 in Baptism of Children by Jehovah's Witnesses   
    It's nice to see children dedicating their lives to Jehovah, unfortunately they are also dedicating their lives to an idol called the wtbts in a contract for life.
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    Witness reacted to JW Insider in Watch Tower Sues Facebook & Mark Zuckerberg for Contempt of Court, Demands Daily Fine   
    Thanks for sharing this, Jack. I have a friend who has been involved with the setting up of jw.org from the beginning and he knows that they have spared no expense to make sure the site is never hacked. Internally, the WTS and related corporations also distribute multiple versions of documents with hidden identifying tracking information buried in them so that if one is leaked it will be easy to narrow down the department or even the person, hopefully, from whom it was leaked. It's a shame that the WTS needs to put so much time and resources into tracking leakers, but it is the right of any corporation to take any measures deemed necessary to protect corporate interests.
    The shame, in my opinion, is that the WTS and related corporations have produced any documents or videos that would be embarrassing to have distributed, or even critiqued. If one is humble, critique should be welcomed, requested and even promoted. Distribution of any WTS content by any means (e.g., news channels, social media channels, apostate channels, underground channels, and official channels) should all be encouraged. This assumes, of course, that nothing embarrassing or secret or underhanded is ever produced. As a corporation that can take pride in the message being given to the world, any and all means of allowing that content to be freely shared should be appreciated. And, as stated, if the producers of the content are humble, they will appreciate any type of questions and criticism, too.
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    Witness got a reaction from Shiwiii in The Reproach of Child Sexual Abuse Falls on the Abuser   
    "I will refresh the weary and satisfy the faint.”  Jer 31:25
     
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in JW China: Jehovah’s Witnesses Hunted Down and Deported   
    This JW members put their health and life to big risks and for what? For WT doctrines that will be changed very soon. Interesting.
    It would be understandable, to some measure, that JW as one of Christian Denomination, talking about Bible and Jesus Teaching. But to Incorporate, into Jesus Teachings, all WTGB doctrinal Errors, past and present, and future errors that will be visible in future time-frames, and to preaching such things to people in purpose to make them JW members, is tragedy.  
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    Witness got a reaction from JOHN BUTLER in The Reproach of Child Sexual Abuse Falls on the Abuser   
    No one calls for justice;
        no one pleads a case with integrity.
    They rely on empty arguments, they utter lies;
        they conceive trouble and give birth to evil.
    Their feet rush into sin;
        they are swift to shed innocent blood.
    They pursue evil schemes;
        acts of violence mark their ways.
    8 The way of peace they do not know;
        there is no justice in their paths.
    They have turned them into crooked roads;
        no one who walks along them will know peace.
    9 So justice is far from us,
        and righteousness does not reach us.
    We look for light, but all is darkness;
        for brightness, but we walk in deep shadows.
    10 Like the blind we grope along the wall,
        feeling our way like people without eyes.
    At midday we stumble as if it were twilight;
        among the strong, we are like the dead.
    11 We all growl like bears;
        we moan mournfully like doves.
    We look for justice, but find none;
        for deliverance, but it is far away.
    12 For our offenses are many in your sight,
        and our sins testify against us.
    Our offenses are ever with us,
        and we acknowledge our iniquities:
    13 rebellion and treachery against the Lord,
        turning our backs on our God,
    inciting revolt and oppression,
        uttering lies our hearts have conceived.
    14 So justice is driven back,
        and righteousness stands at a distance;
    truth has stumbled in the streets,
        honesty cannot enter.
    15 Truth is nowhere to be found,
        and whoever shuns evil becomes a prey.  Isa 59:4,7-15
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    Witness reacted to JOHN BUTLER in The Reproach of Child Sexual Abuse Falls on the Abuser   
    So listening to you all patting each other on the back I conclude that all of you are saying that everyone that says they are a Victim of child abuse in the JW Org is actually a LIAR. They all made it up, every one of them Earthwide. 
    So in your eyes, the GB never refused to hand over evidence to the courts. The Elders have never been told to destroy evidence because 'Satan is coming after us'. The Two Witness rule has never been misused . Victims have never been called liars. Children have never been forced to face the accused Child Abuser.  Nobody has been disfellowshipped for continuing to complain about abuse they suffered not being dealt with properly.  Everybody in a congregation is made aware that there is a Pedophile with in it.  
    And the biggest one of all, you think Victims are only in it for the Money.  
    And most of you use the GB tactics of saying I'm mentally disturbed. 
    Um, it's proving to me more and more that the JW org brain deadens people. 
    But you don't care because to you lot it's just collateral damage. 
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    Witness reacted to JOHN BUTLER in The Reproach of Child Sexual Abuse Falls on the Abuser   
    Quote @TrueTomHarley "No more than the motorist uses the posted speed limit sign as an “excuse” to explain why he was driving that fast."
    Here we can see how Tom calmly compares a speeding motorist with a Pedophile that has abused a young child. What does this tell you of his lack of feeling for other people ? Where is his personal application of the scripture that talks about 'Looking after widows and orphans'. Where is his idea of protecting children in the JW Org ? Nothing, it's just like speeding motorist to him. 
    Tom and others, the JW Org has said it does not have a Clergy Class. But it uses the Clergy privilege to avoid giving evidence in court. That is hypocritical. 
    Now as for : Quote "I might have inferred this based upon your constant remarks that one does not need an organization or GB.." 
    Actually I've constantly said 'if God wants to use the JW Org then God will clean it out properly' and I've said that the GB should consist of 12 or 13 men from different countries around the Earth. I've said that the current GB should be replaced. 
    Was it Rutherford or Russell that said an organisation was not needed ? Whichever it wasn't me. Unless you can quote me as saying it ? 
    As for Elders serving because they want 'power and control', yes i think many of them do. Especially the ones that are Pedophiles. 
    When an Elder is using a dating website and using the name Yogi Bishop, and using a pretend 'hometown',  then I would think he is not an Elder for the right reasons. (That's one for the Kid, one of the real life issues that i know about). 
    For me there is no bravery in telling people that I've been sexually abused, physically beaten up and emotionally abused as a child / teenager. It has a purpose. If I'm a pain in the bum, then people will know why. It's because it is impossible to 'get over it'. 
    That is why I don't like seeing it happen to others. But it seems that a lot of you just see it as collateral damage.  You see it as, well it's only a few hundred out of 8 million, so in your eyes it doesn't matter. And even those few hundred you basically call liars. 
    It's Your conscience. If you are happy with your gods, the GB and it's Org, then so be it. Yes i can understand that Almighty God needs a means of communication, But He needs a pure clean organisation and at this time that is not the JW org. 
     
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    Witness reacted to JOHN BUTLER in The Reproach of Child Sexual Abuse Falls on the Abuser   
    To the rest of you that feel the need to rally round and stick up for the ones you worship. The GB and it Org.
    You are completely missing the point of this Watchtower. It is aimed at the Elders.
    It is not so that congregants can know what to do. IT IS TO TELL THE ELDERS TO BACK OFF. TO TELL THE ELDERS. NOT TO TELL THE CONGREGANTS TO KEEP QUIET. 
    BECAUSE IT SEEMS THE ELDERS WERE TELLING THE CONGREGANTS NOT TO REPORT THINGS TO THE POLICE OR THE AUTHORITIES. 
    UNLESS AS I'VE SAID BEFORE, YOU ARE CALLING ALL THE VICTIMS LIARS. 
    And for the Kid, yes Kid experience is better than second hand information, but Kid i have both. 
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    Witness reacted to JOHN BUTLER in The Reproach of Child Sexual Abuse Falls on the Abuser   
    @TrueTomHarley    Quote "I had you in mind when I wrote the above, John, and I honestly feel sorry for you."
    Nice of you to think about me Tom. Thank you. But feeling sorry for someone is such a negative attitude, and in your case i feel the sorrow is not genuine. Why ? 
    Quote "Though apparently wrapped in a newfound ‘personal relationship with Jesus,’ "  That is sarcasm Tom and shows your lack of 'feeling sorry for me'  I do not have a 'personal relationship with Jesus', nor do i pretend to have.  Can you quote me as saying that i have ? 
    I have always thought that individuals should pray to God through Jesus Christ. And surely all Christians should pray in such a way on a daily basis ? I went into our back garden early this morning and put food out for the birds, and when birds arrived i thanked God for the happiness those birds bring to humans. Just watching those birds in the garden, such a simple thing, but it gives me such pleasure. Now God must have built that into humans to like or love animals / birds / creatures. So in that way you could say we all have a 'personal relationship with God through Jesus Christ', or would you not agree ? 
    If you don't agree that people can have such a relationship with God and Christ then it seems as if you are saying that a person can only give praise twice a week, that being at JW meetings............. Now that creates a Clergy Class doesn't it ? 
    But oh yes that reminds me Clergy Class, Clergy privilege. 
    The clergy–penitent privilege, clergy privilege, confessional privilege, priest–penitent privilege, clergyman–communicant privilege, or ecclesiastical privilegeis a rule of evidence that forbids judicial inquiry into certain communications (spoken or otherwise) between clergy and members of their congregation.
    I do believe that Elders are using this 'excuse' to refuse to give evidence in court cases. Am I right in this thinking ? 
    But of course the JW Org does not have a 'Clergy Class' does it ? Contradiction i think. 
    Quote " applying Christianity. "  That phrase means different things to different people Tom.  If all those Pedophiles in the JW Org had applied Christianity then all the aforementioned on this topic would not exist. 
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Foreigner in Baptism of Children by Jehovah's Witnesses   
    Perhaps he is trying to follow Christ’s path, and expose the lies and hypocrisy.  ❤️ Matt 3:1-3;John 8:44; 2 Cor 10:4-6
    We don’t walk away “happy” from the organization. If your emotional and spiritual heart is ripped in two, it takes time to recover.  Matt 24:9,21, Luke 12:53  It takes time to start all over again, learning how we were stumbled, through scripture untainted by men’s doctrine.  It takes time to build a true relationship with the Father and Christ outside of men’s orchestrated doctrinal demands.  Eventually, faith and peace is achieved by understanding the true Shepherd is watching over his sheep, protecting them until he returns.  Matt 5:1-12; John 10:1-5; Luke 15:4-7
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    Witness got a reaction from 4Jah2me in Gerrit Lösch   
    Apples and oranges are blending together, causing a shakeup in the Watchtower,  It all relates to th same underlying problem.   
    Come now.  When you face court battle after court battle over doctrine you had a share in instituting  which shields pedophiles, wouldn't you consider this as "trouble"?  
     
    From a "human standpoint" I believe Christ's teachings as well as the apostles, were very sound.  I agree with you that the GB are not concerned with anything being sound from a human standpoint.  
    Truth is very sound.  
    Lies cause upheaval.
    But you are to proclaim things consistent with sound teaching.  Titus 2:1
    If anyone teaches otherwise and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching,  they are conceited and understand nothing. They have an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions5 and constant friction between people of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain. 1 Tim 6:3-5
    For the time will come when people will not tolerate sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, will multiply teachers for themselves because they have an itch to hear what they want to hear. 4 They will turn away from hearing the truth and will turn aside to myths. 
    According to your words, this time is here.  
    Anna, I know you believe she is  "some crazy lady", but my intention was for anyone who would like to know more about the identities of Revelation's Beasts, could go to her blog.  I am fully aware that you are not the only reader here.   
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Foreigner in Gerrit Lösch   
    Every person can act on his own to represent others, just as G. Jackson did.  No, he had nothing to do with the case and I don't believe Jackson had anything to do with the primary case in Australia.  He barely knew the case. 
    It is always easier to run from trouble than to face what trouble may come.  
    For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have its approval.  Rom 13:3
    Think about the case.  Did the Watchtower "do what is good" to begin with?
    What I notice Anna, you generally seem unfazed by scripture and its meaning.  I do hope that changes.   
    Oh, yes.  It’s the job of I don’t know how many, Watchtower lawyers. The GB makes the doctrine, the elders uphold it whether it is sound from a human standpoint or not, and the lawyers step in to defend an illogical doctrine that has caused misery and havoc throughout the congregations. 
    The WT:  “And I saw a beast coming up out of the sea. It had ten horns and seven heads. On its horns were ten crowns,and on its heads were blasphemous names.   The beast I saw was like a leopard, its feet were like a bear’s, and its mouth was like a lion’s mouth. The dragon gave the beast his power, his throne, and great authority.
     The beast was given a mouth to utter boasts and blasphemies. It was allowed to exercise authority for forty-two months. 6 It began to speak blasphemies against God: to blaspheme his name and his dwelling (1 Cor 3:16,17; 2 Cor 6:16;Eph 2:20-22) —those who dwell in heaven. (Heb 12:22) 7 And it was permitted to wage war against the saints and to conquer them.
    ws16 January p. 20
    w02 8/1 p. 10-11
    ws17 March p. 3
     It was also given authority over every tribe, people, language, and nation. 8 All those who live on the earth will worship it, everyone whose name was not written from the foundation of the world in the bookof life of the Lamb who was slaughtered.
    The GB:   Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth; it had two horns like a lamb, but it spoke like a dragon. (a false prophet; as if representing truth in Christ)    12 It exercises all the authority of the first beast on its behalf and compels the earth and those who live on it to worship the first beast, whose fatal wound was healed. 
    w 14/5/15 p. 28,29 -  If we are to have Jehovah’s favor and blessing as individuals, we must support his organization and accept adjustments in our understanding of the Scriptures.
    It deceives those who live on the earth because of the signs that it is permitted to perform in the presence of the beast, telling those who live on the earth to make an image (The anointed reflect the “image” of God’s Temple; the elder body reflect the image of “Jehovah’s organization”.  Isa 40:25; 46:5) of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived. 15 It was permitted to give breath (spirit, life; “spirit-directed”) to the image of the beast, so that the image of the beast could both speak and cause whoever would not worship the image of the beast to be killed. (disfellowshipped)
    w61 6/15 p. 371 - It is a serious thing to disfellowship a person, because it means that the person is cut off from God’s organization, from life. 
      They worshiped the dragon because he gave authority to the beast. And they worshiped the beast,
    Kingdom Ministry 8/82 pg 1:  “Loyalty and godly devotion are essentials of true WORSHIP. (Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ) Jehovah God rightly expects each of us to maintain a devoted attachment to him AND his visible earthly organization.”
    saying, “Who is like the beast? Who is able to wage war against it?”  Rev 13:4
    What a joy it is to be a part of Jehovah’s marvelous organization and to observe the vast difference between those serving Jehovah and those not serving him. w18 October pp. 17-21
    There was just the one ark that survived the Flood, not a number of boats. And there will be only one organization—God’s visible organization—that will survive the fast-approaching “great tribulation.” You Can Live Forever in Paradise on Earth p. 255
    But Jehovah’s servants already belong to the only organization that will survive the end of this wicked system of things.  W07/12/15 p. 14
     
    Pearl Doxsey - Harlot and Beast, 4womaninthewilderness
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in THE GOOD NEWS, ACCOMPLISHED BY JWS?   
    “And this good news of this and that will be preached in all the inhabited earth as a witness to all nations, and then the end will come.”  Matt 24:14
     
    I wrote this with @TrueTomHarley in mind, who quoted (well, sort of) the above scripture here:
     
    But, I do hope all JWs here will consider this comment.  
    Tom, I know I’m the last person you want to hear from, but I just want to share some thoughts about this scripture, since I can’t think of how many hundreds of times I would mentally quote it, not only as a JW, but now – more than ever. 
    The “good news” preached by JWs in these last days is based on a date; 1914.  JWs proclaim Christ began his reign as King in 1914.  There’s a few things wrong with this (actually, more than a few things)  Jesus was already preaching the “good news” while on earth.
    7 And the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was given to him. He unrolled the scroll and found the place where it was written,
    18 “The Spirit of the Lord is upon me,
        because he has anointed me
        to proclaim good news to the poor.
    He has sent me to proclaim liberty to the captives
        and recovering of sight to the blind,
        to set at liberty those who are oppressed,
    19 to proclaim the year of the Lord's favor.”
    20 And he rolled up the scroll and gave it back to the attendant and sat down. And the eyes of all in the synagogue were fixed on him. 21 And he began to say to them, “Today this Scripture has been fulfilled in your hearing.”  Luke 4:17-21
    “Soon afterward he went on through cities and villages, proclaiming and bringing the good news of the kingdom of God. And the twelve were with him”  Luke 8:1
    And when it was day, he departed and went into a desolate place. And the people sought him and came to him, and would have kept him from leaving them, 43 but he said to them, “I must preach the good news of the kingdom of God to the other towns as well; for I was sent for this purpose.”
    If you lived in that day, wouldn’t you believe that the promised Kingdom had come upon those who were poor and oppressed, captive to the burden of unrighteous rules and regulation of the Pharisees? Matt 11:28   The words of Isaiah were fulfilled by Christ’s validation.
    “The Law and the Prophets were proclaimed until John. Since that time, the good news of the kingdom of God is being preached, and everyone is forcing their way into it.  Luke 16:16
    And remain in the same house, eating and drinking what they provide, for the laborer deserves his wages. Do not go from house to house.8 Whenever you enter a town and they receive you, eat what is set before you. 9 Heal the sick in it and say to them, ‘The kingdom of God has come near to you.’ Luke 10:7-9
     And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
    21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.  Luke 17:20-21
    The Kingdom has always been present in the hearts of the faithful anointed ones since Christ came to earth. John 14:23; 1 Cor 3:16,17; 2 Cor 6:16   Each anointed one is to carry the message of Christ's truth once Jesus ascended into heaven, where he has ruled as King since he has preached the “good news”.  Ps 110:1,2; Matt 28:18;Luke 12:49-53; 1 Cor 15:23-26   (please read)  They brought the Kingdom “good news” to all who accepted it, the promised gift of life in Christ.  John 13:20; Matt 10:40
    Think about it; the Watchtower says the end time preaching work was established because Jesus finally began ruling in the heavens in 1914. This date totally wipes out Christ’s given authority already established when he was on earth.  If one is given authority, one uses it, which he did.  He directed his disciples to go and preach; indicating he would be with all his anointed ones "till the end of the age".  Matt 28:19,20   WT's date also indicates that the “good news” Christ and the apostles preached, was not as near as important as what the Watchtower wants to take credit for; yet the reigning symbolic “144,000” preached Christ throughout the last 2,000 years; and for that, were sealed into the Kingdom. 2,000 years of preaching the "good news" compared to about a hundred years by the WT.  However, the Watchtower states that this wasn’t occurring from the second century on; saying God’s people were “captive” in “Babylon” until approximately a hundred years ago.  Hmmm.  No sealing of the anointed ones for almost 2,000 years then?  Even if 144,000 was a literal number, which I don’t believe, it would mean all of them except for the remnant today, would have been sealed within two centuries of Christ’s presence on earth.  They actually base this on another date, five years after 1914; 1919, when “true worship” was to have been restored.  This is a pretty far-fetched idea to think that any anointed priest offering “sacrifices of praise” in pure worship to God, wasn't around for the last 2,000 years before the organization appeared.  Heb 13:15
    The end time preaching of the good news has similar characteristics of Christ’s day.  This is where the term “inhabited earth” helps clarify who it is that receives it.  The Kingdom “heirs” to rule with Christ are down to a remnant left on earth, who face the “great tribulation”; an event stronger and different, than what God’s people in covenant faced when Jesus was on earth.  Matt 24:21
    And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened.  Matt 24:22
    Another “abomination” attacks another temple of God; the remnant “living stones” of God’s Temple in Christ.  1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; 1 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2   Jerusalem and the temple was trampled by the Roman army; today New Jerusalem/Temple of God’s people under covenant , is also “trampled” by another “Gentile” power ruling over them.  Rev 11:1,2
    The term “inhabited earth” has a deeper meaning than what one may realize. 
    Thus says the Lord:
    *“Heaven is My throne,
    And earth is My footstool.*
    Where is the house that you will build Me?
    And where is the place of My rest?
    2 For all those things My hand has made,
    And all those things exist,”
    Says the Lord.
    “But on this one will I look:
    On him who is poor and of a contrite spirit,
    And who trembles at My word.”
    No literal house is God’s temple today when He has chosen His house built with “living stones” on the Body of Christ.  They are His “footstool”, His inhabited “owned” land with Christ as the chief cornerstone.  1 Pet 2:5,9; Eph 2:20-22
    For we are God’s fellow workers; you are God’s field, you are God’s building. 10 According to the grace of God which was given to me, as a wise master builder I have laid the foundation, and another builds on it. But let each one take heed how he builds on it. 11 For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.” 1 Cor 3:9-11
    Please, don’t allow Stephen Lett to rob you of the true meaning of who comprise the Temple of God.  He used this scripture in the Annual 2018 meeting to refer to every JW, which is another ploy to erase the identity and existence of the anointed ones. 
    Ezekiel’s vision of the heavenly Temple also verifies that it is spiritual “Israel” sealed into the heavens as God’s dwelling and describes the situation happening today in the Watchtower:
    The Spirit lifted me up and brought me into the inner court; and behold, the glory of the Lord filled the temple.
    6 Then I heard Him speaking to me from the temple, while a man stood beside me. 7 And He said to me, “Son of man, *this is the place of My throne and the place of the soles of My feet,* where I will dwell in the midst of the children of Israel forever. No more shall the house of Israel defile My holy name, they nor their kings, by their harlotry or with the carcasses of their kings on their high places. 8 When they set their threshold by My threshold, and their doorpost by My doorpost, with a wall between them and Me, they defiled My holy name by the abominations which they committed; therefore I have consumed them in My anger. 9 Now let them put their harlotry and the carcasses of their kings far away from Me, and I will dwell in their midst forever. Ezek 43:6-9
     The GB have allowed an “abomination” to “enter” and rule over God’s Temple. The Temple priests are also guilty of allowing another Head to rule over them and not Christ. Ezek 44:6-9; Mal 2:7-9; 3:1-4 This is how the “power of the holy ones is brought to nothing” in the last days, and it is why there is an end time preaching work to the “inhabited earth” now, to the owned land/habitation of God.  Dan 12:7; 2:33,41
    “with a wall between them and Me” – There is a “wall” of falsehoods “built” by the organization (which you know can’t be dismissed) that conflicts with pure truth in Christ.  Any teaching that is not true, cannot be sourced in Christ.  The WT leaders are very good at teaching untrue doctrine; yet, they have placed their “threshold” by God’s “threshold”, declaring God’s Holy Spirit has directed them to speak such lies, touting all along that they are “Jehovah’s friend” even when new doctrine is formulated to cover over previous lies.  Can you see these things?  Do you care to?  (Ezek 13) 
    It is a fallacy spurred on by the GB, and by those who are “trampling” – ruling over -  the Temple of God, to interpret the “good news” as being preached throughout the world of man today.  Check the Greek meaning for “inhabited earth”.    This is DECEIT, and it is how the anointed are fooled and conquered in the last days; as well as all JWs. 2 Thess 2:11,12   1914 is a “prophesy” that has been spread by “word of mouth” and also by a “letter” – magazine” – that asserts the “day of the Lord has come”.  2 Thess 2:1,2   Firstly, that Christ is finally reigning in the heavens; secondly that the Kingdom was “born” in 1914.  And yet, this birth is followed by “birth pangs”.  Matt 24:4-8  Does this even make sense?
    After this announcement, gradually the entrance of the Man Lawlessness that “sits (rules) in the Temple of God” gains power over the Temple priesthood. It is the elder body – an “image” that reflects a “spirit-directed organization”.  Rev 13:1,4,6-8,15
    The “good news” is the redemption of “Jacob”, of “Israel”, just as the preaching work of Jesus and the apostles, to the people in covenant with God. Luke 4:17-19; Rev 18:4-8; Rev 11:3; 10:8-11; 1 Thess 5:3
    Jesus stated clearly the events, and who would receive the end time preaching of the “good news”, and verse 23 is a scripture I never took note of while in the organization.
    “Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves. Therefore be wise as serpents and harmless as doves. 17 But beware of men, for they will deliver you up to councils (judicial committees)   and scourge you in their synagogues. (“Jewish” meeting places/congregations)18 You will be brought before governors and kings (GB/elder body) for My sake, as a testimony to them and to the Gentiles.  19 But when they deliver you up, do not worry about how or what you should speak. For it will be given to you in that hour what you should speak; 20 for it is not you who speak, but the Spirit of your Father who speaks in you.
    21 “Now brother will deliver up brother to death, and a father his child; and children will rise up against parents and cause them to be put to death. 22 And you will be hated by all for My name’s sake. (for the sake of Christ anointed ones and companions are disfellowshipped) But he who endures to the end will be saved. 23 When they persecute you in this city, flee to another.
    For assuredly, I say to you, you will not have gone through the cities of Israel before the Son of Man comes.”  Matt 10:16-23
    “You must be on your guard. You will be handed over to the local councils and flogged in the synagogues. On account of me you will stand before governors and kings as witnesses to them. 10 And the gospel must first be preached to all nations. 11 Whenever you are arrested and brought to trial, do not worry beforehand about what to say. Just say whatever is given you at the time, for it is not you speaking, but the Holy Spirit.
    The circumstances of preaching the good news results from a form of persecution experienced for the sake of Christ, not for the sake of “Jehovah’s organization”.  Anointed today in the organization experience this when coming against the authority of men who rule over them; when their hearts reject falsehood and turn fully to the Father and Christ. Their judgment is a spiritual “death”.   Rev 12:17;13:15; 17:6; 11; 3,7
    For assuredly, I say to you, you will not have gone through the cities of Israel before the Son of Man comes.”  Matt 10:16-23
     
    Are JWs preaching to the nation of Israel, or the whole world?  Those that Christ sends…Rev 11:1-3…preach to spiritual “Israel” and their companions. Rev 18:4-8 is a call to “Israel” – “my people” – God’s owned “inhabited earth“, not to come out of Christendom as JWs teach, but to come out of a “Babylonian” captivity to a delusion built with truth mixed with lies. Rev 8:11 The remnant are “gathered” as one camp, yet “scattered” among the nations of JWs,  and under a spiritual captivity to a Man of Lawlessness and deceit. Joel 3:2; Rev 13:9,10; 20:7-10; Rev 16:13-16; 19:19 
     
    This is what the Lord says—
        your Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel:
    “I am the Lord your God,
        who teaches you what is best for you,
        who directs you in the way you should go.
    18 If only you had paid attention to my commands,
        your peace would have been like a river,
        your well-being like the waves of the sea.
    19 Your descendants would have been like the sand,
        your children like its numberless grains;
    their name would never be blotted out
        nor destroyed from before me.”
    20 Leave Babylon,
        flee from the Babylonians!
    Announce this with shouts of joy
        and proclaim it.
    Send it out to the ends of the earth;
        say, “The Lord has redeemed his servant Jacob.”
    21 They did not thirst when he led them through the deserts;
        he made water flow for them from the rock;
    he split the rock
        and water gushed out.
    22 “There is no peace,” says the Lord, “for the wicked.”  Isa 48:17-22
     
     
    (Pear Doxsey, 4womaninthewilderness blogspot,  has written more about the end time preaching work:
    "The Good News - What is it?  Who is it for?) 
     
     
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Torture of Jehovah’s Witnesses in Surgut   
    Dear Tom, when  JW religion come to be ONLY religion in the world (as you hopes) than this religion would destroy any potential danger of other way of religious thinking, and not only DFD opponents, but make them to disappear. Or perhaps deport them to some island (New Australia maybe , haha).
    In that i find tragedy and irony about WTJWorg "future system".
    Today, WT members want all Religious Freedom ...for all (first for self) .
    Tomorrow, WT members will persecute all opposite religious opinion, another way of Worship and give NO Religious Freedom to future generation people in NW System/Order.
    Today WT implements spiritual killings in shape/model of dfd and shunning. Tomorrow ....??
    That is main problem ... not my feelings about different religious affiliations.  
     
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Torture of Jehovah’s Witnesses in Surgut   
    Here we have Russian Government who working their job in protecting their Nation from this and that.
    But this is also somehow similar to Malawi when GB instructed brotherhood in that country not to buy ID card aka Party card, because of "neutrality". With such "command" they was responsible (cca: 50% or more GB and 50% or less JW members) for bad outcome for all those who suffered and been killed. WT aka GB, GB aka WT was responsible for people's health and life.
    There, in Russia, similar situation took place. Secular authority made decision, justice or injustice, to ban one Religion/Corporation. What choices JW members have. To obey Secular authority or to obey GB? Or to find third way? 
    If they find Third way, out of GB instructions, i am very sure how JHVH God will be last Person in Universe who would blame them for Alternative Decisions/Choices.   
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Torture of Jehovah’s Witnesses in Surgut   
    Russian JW bro and sis love each other, i guess, and want to show it in a way to not say names of fellow believers. It is understandable. I guess they are "ready" to give their freedom, health and life for other JW.
    But in dry administrative words, we all can agree in idea, how this JW Russian people EXPECTED all this "persecution" and talking to each other about it and talking to people in Field Service how time will come when satan with his people will imprison, kill and beat JW, not only in Russia but in a whole World. Even Convention Programs Alarmed all JW people around the World how such time is very close. And that day has come, for Russian JW (come again in Russia, after USSR era ban and isolation).
    In countries where there is no such problems, JW people "eagerly" waiting Armageddon, but when this sort of Armageddon comes on JW people, than all  come to be unhappy and blame satan, evil Government, Police, President etc. Going to UN, OSCE, Strasbourg for help and religious freedom. WT pressing charges and similar. Why, if "prophecies" must be fulfilled? Why if Bible say, "happy are those who are persecuted" ? 
    But for what reason? For Justice, Righteousness. Of Christ. "Happy are those who are persecuted because they do what God requires". Not for WT, human religious corporation and organization, requires.    
    Again, it is not about to have "JW religion", organization. It is about to have Spirit and Truth, as Witness very well emphasized in her comment.
        
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    Witness got a reaction from 4Jah2me in Gerrit Lösch   
    Gerrit Losch:  "I do not direct and have never directed..."
     
    Wikipedia:  Following a leadership dispute in the Bible Student movement, the Watch Tower Society remained associated with the branch of the movement that became known as Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. . In 1955, the corporation was renamed Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania. In 1976, all activities of the Watch Tower Society were brought under the supervision of the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses.
    In 1976, direction of the Watch Tower Society and of the congregations of Jehovah's Witnesses worldwide came under the control of the Governing Body, reducing the power of the society's president. The society has described the change as "one of the most significant organizational readjustments in the modern-day history of Jehovah's Witnesses."
    Following the death of Knorr in 1977, subsequent presidents of the Watch Tower Society have been Frederick W. Franz (June 1977 – December 1992); Milton G. Henschel (December 1992 – October 2000), Don A. Adams (October 2000 – 2014) and Robert Ciranko (incumbent). Adams and Ciranko are considered "helpers" to the Governing Body, which retains authority over the corporations.
     "Keep Holding Men of That Sort Dear".  The Watchtower. 15 October 2015. p. 3. The Governing Body members make the final decisions, but the helpers implement the committee's direction and carry out whatever assignments they are given. The helpers accompany Governing Body members to special and international conventions. They may also be assigned to visit branch offices as headquarters representatives. ... Helpers to Governing Body Committees ... Publishing Committee—Don Adams ... Writing Committee—Robert Ciranko...
     
    Sounds like Mr. Losch is just plain lying.  
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Torture of Jehovah’s Witnesses in Surgut   
    I’m glad you brought it up.  Who should be blamed for condemning Jesus to death? 
    "While going up to Jerusalem, Jesus took the twelve disciples aside privately and said to them on the way, 18 “See, we are going up to Jerusalem. The Son of Man will be handed over to the chief priests and scribes, and they will condemn him to death. 19 They will hand him over to the Gentiles to be mocked, flogged, and crucified, and on the third day he will be raised.” Matt 20:17-19
    Paul equates this to the Jews killing Christ.
    "For you, brothers and sisters, became imitators of God’s churches in Christ Jesus that are in Judea, since you have also suffered the same things from people of your own country, just as they did from the Jews who killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets and persecuted us. They displease God and are hostile to everyone”  1 Thess 2:14,25
    As Jesus predicted – "Again, he sent other servants more than the first: and they treated them the same way. 37 But afterward he sent to them his son, saying, ‘They will respect my son.’ 38 But the farmers, when they saw the son, said among themselves, ‘This is the heir. Come, let’s kill him, and seize his inheritance.’ 39 So they took him, and threw him out of the vineyard, and killed him. "  Matt 21:36-29
    And Peter said, “Men of Israel, hear these words! Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved by God to you by mighty works and wonders and signs which God did by him among you, even as you yourselves know, him, being delivered up by the determined counsel and foreknowledge of God, you have taken by the hand of lawless men, crucified and killed”  Acts 2:21,22
    Although the chief priests of Israel had “no right to kill anyone”, they were responsible for his death.  John 18:31  It is amazing to me how similar it is in the organization when an anointed priest speaks out against the organized religion of their people, the  “chief priests”/ Pharisees, (GB) hand them over to “uncircumcised” spiritual “Gentiles” – “lawless men”, to be “killed” - disfellowshipped.  It is the elder body/Man of Lawlessness, who treads down and rules over God’s Temple/priests.  1 Cor 3:16,17; 2 Cor 6:16; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2
    This is extremism. 
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Shiwiii in Torture of Jehovah’s Witnesses in Surgut   
    Did a foreign nation want Jesus killed, or was he persecuted by his own people? 
    On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”
    26 “What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?”
    27 He answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind (Deut 6:8); and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’(Lev 19:28)”
    28 “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.” 
    That isn’t an empty promise, is it?  However, is it possible to love God in this way, when a towering organization requires servitude, devotion and love as well?  Why would Christ’s teachings need any adjustment by men?  Why would we need further decrees developed by anyone other than those of Christ and the apostles.  We have the Bible, which is all we need.
     Deut 6:8 - Tie them as symbols on your hands and bind them on your foreheads.
    17 Be sure to keep the commands of the Lord your God and the stipulations and decrees he has given you. 18 Do what is right and good in the Lord’s sight, so that it may go well with you and you may go in and take over the good land the Lord promised on oath to your ancestors, 19 thrusting out all your enemies before you, as the Lord said.  Deut 6:17-19
    Lev 19
    “‘Do not steal.
    “‘Do not lie.
    “‘Do not deceive one another.
    12 “‘Do not swear falsely by My name and so profane the name of your God. I am the Lord.
    13 “‘Do not defraud or rob your neighbor.
    “‘Do not hold back the wages of a hired worker overnight.
    14 “‘Do not curse the deaf or put a stumbling block in front of the blind, but fear your God. I am the Lord.
    15 “‘Do not pervert justice; do not show partiality to the poor or favoritism to the great, but judge your neighbor fairly.
    16 “‘Do not go about spreading slander among your people.
    “‘Do not do anything that endangers your neighbor’s life. I am the Lord.
    17 “‘Do not hate a fellow Israelite in your heart. Rebuke your neighbor frankly so you will not share in their guilt.
    18 “‘Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against anyone among your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the Lord.
    19 “‘Keep my decrees.
    “‘Keep all my decrees and all my laws and follow them. I am the Lord.’”  Lev 19:11-19,37
     
    Has the Watchtower followed all of the above?  What about disfellowshipping those who refuse to serve an organization?  What about perverting justice to victims of abuse?  What about teachings and prophesies that have deceived its members?  And the list goes on.
     
    Israel grew fat and kicked;
        filled with food, they became heavy and sleek.
    They abandoned the God who made them
        and rejected the Rock their Savior.
    16 They made Him jealous with their foreign gods
        and angered Him with their detestable idols.
    17 They sacrificed to false gods, which are not God—
        gods they had not known,
        gods that recently appeared,
        gods your ancestors did not fear.
    18 You deserted the Rock, who fathered you;
        you forgot the God who gave you birth.
    19 The Lord saw this and rejected them
        because he was angered by his sons and daughters.
    20 “I will hide my face from them,” he said,
        “and see what their end will be;
    for they are a perverse generation,
        children who are unfaithful.  Deut 32:15-20
     
    WT 85/3/15 p. 10 -   “GOD’S ORGANIZATION.” That expression was used by a member of the Watch Tower Society’s editorial staff during the daily Bible discussion at the Bethel dining tables over 60 years ago. How it thrilled the headquarters family in Brooklyn, New York! That UNIQUE PHRASE, “God’s organization,” served to GUIDE THE FUTURE THINKING, SPEECH AND WRITING of those Bible Students. It broadened their spiritual VISION with regard to all creation and greatly influenced their attitude toward the marvelous Organizer of the universe, Jehovah God. 
    w89 12/15 p. 24 -  To render acceptable sacrifices, we must cooperate fully with God’s organization. 
    Who says?  God?  Jesus? Or men? 
    w11 1/15 pp. 3-7 -  Still, as a people, “the chosen ones” and their loyal companions will physically survive the end of apostate Christendom by taking refuge in Jehovah and his mountainlike organization.
    Isn’t God our Rock?  Is there another?
     Fear the Lord your God, serve Him only and take your oaths in His name. 14 Do not follow other gods, the gods of the peoples around you;15 for the Lord your God, who is among you, is a jealous God and his anger will burn against you, and he will destroy you from the face of the land. 16 Do not put the Lord your God to the test as you did at Massah.17 Be sure to keep the commands of the Lord your God and the stipulations and decrees he has given you. 18 Do what is right and good in the Lord’s sight, so that it may go well with you and you may go in and take over the good land the Lord promised on oath to your ancestors, 19 thrusting out all your enemies before you, as the Lord said.  Deut 6:13-19
    God never abandoned the nation of Israel when His decrees were followed.  The organization has proven it cannot rescue anyone in times of adversity.  It is heart-wrenching to see this persecution exist, because people are trusting in a “unique” vision instead of trusting fully on God.  During this time period, those that give their testimony to Christ in front of their own people must expect persecution. 
    “If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. 19 If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you. 20 Remember what I told you: ‘A servant is not greater than his master.’ If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also. If they obeyed my teaching, they will obey yours also. 21 They will treat you this way because of my name, for they do not know the one who sent me. 
    Who does he mean by the “world”?
    22 If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not be guilty of sin; but now they have no excuse for their sin.
     He spoke truth to his people and they rejected him, they killed him.  When anointed and companions speak against a false god, its leaders and its lies; turning completely to their Rock and their Savior, they are persecuted and rejected by their people. They are considered spiritually “dead”. They are following in the path of Christ.  John 16:2; Rev 13:14-17
    WT 17/10 - “In these last days, Jehovah’s people have been able to do a great work. This has been possible because of Jehovah’s blessing and Christ’s leadership. We are happy to be part of a STABLE, SECURE, AND EVERLASTING ORGANIZATION, and we know that Jehovah’s purpose for pure worship will come true.”
    “Do not be carried away by all kinds of strange teachings. It is good for our hearts to be strengthened by grace, not by eating ceremonial (“spiritual”) foods, which is of no benefit to those who do so. 
    11 The high priest carries the blood of animals into the Most Holy Place as a sin offering, but the bodies are burned outside the camp. 12 And so Jesus also suffered outside the city gate (of Jerusalem) to make the people holy through his own blood. 13 Let us, then, go to him outside the camp, bearing the disgrace he bore. 14 For here we do not have an enduring city, but we are looking for the city that is to come.  Heb 13:9,10,11-14
    Srecko is speaking of worshiping in the Spirit and in Truth:
    John 4:23,24 “Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. 24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”
    And you are faulting him for it, for following Jesus’ words?  I would guess he has already suffered greatly for his stance against his own people, where spiritual “Israel” reside.  We do not have an enduring physical organization established in the world of Satan, that will lead us into the Kingdom.  We have Christ.  John 10:7-10
    Hear the word of the Lord,
    You who tremble at HIS word:
    “Your brethren who hated you,
    Who cast you out for My name’s sake, said,
    ‘Let the Lord be glorified,
    That we may see your joy.’
    But they shall be ashamed.”  Isa 66:5
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Torture of Jehovah’s Witnesses in Surgut   
    Did a foreign nation want Jesus killed, or was he persecuted by his own people? 
    On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”
    26 “What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?”
    27 He answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind (Deut 6:8); and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’(Lev 19:28)”
    28 “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.” 
    That isn’t an empty promise, is it?  However, is it possible to love God in this way, when a towering organization requires servitude, devotion and love as well?  Why would Christ’s teachings need any adjustment by men?  Why would we need further decrees developed by anyone other than those of Christ and the apostles.  We have the Bible, which is all we need.
     Deut 6:8 - Tie them as symbols on your hands and bind them on your foreheads.
    17 Be sure to keep the commands of the Lord your God and the stipulations and decrees he has given you. 18 Do what is right and good in the Lord’s sight, so that it may go well with you and you may go in and take over the good land the Lord promised on oath to your ancestors, 19 thrusting out all your enemies before you, as the Lord said.  Deut 6:17-19
    Lev 19
    “‘Do not steal.
    “‘Do not lie.
    “‘Do not deceive one another.
    12 “‘Do not swear falsely by My name and so profane the name of your God. I am the Lord.
    13 “‘Do not defraud or rob your neighbor.
    “‘Do not hold back the wages of a hired worker overnight.
    14 “‘Do not curse the deaf or put a stumbling block in front of the blind, but fear your God. I am the Lord.
    15 “‘Do not pervert justice; do not show partiality to the poor or favoritism to the great, but judge your neighbor fairly.
    16 “‘Do not go about spreading slander among your people.
    “‘Do not do anything that endangers your neighbor’s life. I am the Lord.
    17 “‘Do not hate a fellow Israelite in your heart. Rebuke your neighbor frankly so you will not share in their guilt.
    18 “‘Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against anyone among your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the Lord.
    19 “‘Keep my decrees.
    “‘Keep all my decrees and all my laws and follow them. I am the Lord.’”  Lev 19:11-19,37
     
    Has the Watchtower followed all of the above?  What about disfellowshipping those who refuse to serve an organization?  What about perverting justice to victims of abuse?  What about teachings and prophesies that have deceived its members?  And the list goes on.
     
    Israel grew fat and kicked;
        filled with food, they became heavy and sleek.
    They abandoned the God who made them
        and rejected the Rock their Savior.
    16 They made Him jealous with their foreign gods
        and angered Him with their detestable idols.
    17 They sacrificed to false gods, which are not God—
        gods they had not known,
        gods that recently appeared,
        gods your ancestors did not fear.
    18 You deserted the Rock, who fathered you;
        you forgot the God who gave you birth.
    19 The Lord saw this and rejected them
        because he was angered by his sons and daughters.
    20 “I will hide my face from them,” he said,
        “and see what their end will be;
    for they are a perverse generation,
        children who are unfaithful.  Deut 32:15-20
     
    WT 85/3/15 p. 10 -   “GOD’S ORGANIZATION.” That expression was used by a member of the Watch Tower Society’s editorial staff during the daily Bible discussion at the Bethel dining tables over 60 years ago. How it thrilled the headquarters family in Brooklyn, New York! That UNIQUE PHRASE, “God’s organization,” served to GUIDE THE FUTURE THINKING, SPEECH AND WRITING of those Bible Students. It broadened their spiritual VISION with regard to all creation and greatly influenced their attitude toward the marvelous Organizer of the universe, Jehovah God. 
    w89 12/15 p. 24 -  To render acceptable sacrifices, we must cooperate fully with God’s organization. 
    Who says?  God?  Jesus? Or men? 
    w11 1/15 pp. 3-7 -  Still, as a people, “the chosen ones” and their loyal companions will physically survive the end of apostate Christendom by taking refuge in Jehovah and his mountainlike organization.
    Isn’t God our Rock?  Is there another?
     Fear the Lord your God, serve Him only and take your oaths in His name. 14 Do not follow other gods, the gods of the peoples around you;15 for the Lord your God, who is among you, is a jealous God and his anger will burn against you, and he will destroy you from the face of the land. 16 Do not put the Lord your God to the test as you did at Massah.17 Be sure to keep the commands of the Lord your God and the stipulations and decrees he has given you. 18 Do what is right and good in the Lord’s sight, so that it may go well with you and you may go in and take over the good land the Lord promised on oath to your ancestors, 19 thrusting out all your enemies before you, as the Lord said.  Deut 6:13-19
    God never abandoned the nation of Israel when His decrees were followed.  The organization has proven it cannot rescue anyone in times of adversity.  It is heart-wrenching to see this persecution exist, because people are trusting in a “unique” vision instead of trusting fully on God.  During this time period, those that give their testimony to Christ in front of their own people must expect persecution. 
    “If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. 19 If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you. 20 Remember what I told you: ‘A servant is not greater than his master.’ If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also. If they obeyed my teaching, they will obey yours also. 21 They will treat you this way because of my name, for they do not know the one who sent me. 
    Who does he mean by the “world”?
    22 If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not be guilty of sin; but now they have no excuse for their sin.
     He spoke truth to his people and they rejected him, they killed him.  When anointed and companions speak against a false god, its leaders and its lies; turning completely to their Rock and their Savior, they are persecuted and rejected by their people. They are considered spiritually “dead”. They are following in the path of Christ.  John 16:2; Rev 13:14-17
    WT 17/10 - “In these last days, Jehovah’s people have been able to do a great work. This has been possible because of Jehovah’s blessing and Christ’s leadership. We are happy to be part of a STABLE, SECURE, AND EVERLASTING ORGANIZATION, and we know that Jehovah’s purpose for pure worship will come true.”
    “Do not be carried away by all kinds of strange teachings. It is good for our hearts to be strengthened by grace, not by eating ceremonial (“spiritual”) foods, which is of no benefit to those who do so. 
    11 The high priest carries the blood of animals into the Most Holy Place as a sin offering, but the bodies are burned outside the camp. 12 And so Jesus also suffered outside the city gate (of Jerusalem) to make the people holy through his own blood. 13 Let us, then, go to him outside the camp, bearing the disgrace he bore. 14 For here we do not have an enduring city, but we are looking for the city that is to come.  Heb 13:9,10,11-14
    Srecko is speaking of worshiping in the Spirit and in Truth:
    John 4:23,24 “Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. 24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”
    And you are faulting him for it, for following Jesus’ words?  I would guess he has already suffered greatly for his stance against his own people, where spiritual “Israel” reside.  We do not have an enduring physical organization established in the world of Satan, that will lead us into the Kingdom.  We have Christ.  John 10:7-10
    Hear the word of the Lord,
    You who tremble at HIS word:
    “Your brethren who hated you,
    Who cast you out for My name’s sake, said,
    ‘Let the Lord be glorified,
    That we may see your joy.’
    But they shall be ashamed.”  Isa 66:5
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Foreigner in Gerrit Lösch   
    Apples and oranges are blending together, causing a shakeup in the Watchtower,  It all relates to th same underlying problem.   
    Come now.  When you face court battle after court battle over doctrine you had a share in instituting  which shields pedophiles, wouldn't you consider this as "trouble"?  
     
    From a "human standpoint" I believe Christ's teachings as well as the apostles, were very sound.  I agree with you that the GB are not concerned with anything being sound from a human standpoint.  
    Truth is very sound.  
    Lies cause upheaval.
    But you are to proclaim things consistent with sound teaching.  Titus 2:1
    If anyone teaches otherwise and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching,  they are conceited and understand nothing. They have an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions5 and constant friction between people of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain. 1 Tim 6:3-5
    For the time will come when people will not tolerate sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, will multiply teachers for themselves because they have an itch to hear what they want to hear. 4 They will turn away from hearing the truth and will turn aside to myths. 
    According to your words, this time is here.  
    Anna, I know you believe she is  "some crazy lady", but my intention was for anyone who would like to know more about the identities of Revelation's Beasts, could go to her blog.  I am fully aware that you are not the only reader here.   
     
     
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    Witness reacted to JOHN BUTLER in Gerrit Lösch   
    God and Jesus Christ definitely don't, that's for sure . 
    It's run by 8 men who are mainly american and mainly white. 
    That tells a lot about an org. 
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