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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in They're better as a group, than they are individually - (observations from the outside)   
    Another Bible quote came to mind; My Father’s house has many rooms - John 14
    So there’s something being said here about the idea that some will go to heaven. What does a lot of rooms (mansions, dweling places, abodes) mean? How many rooms and apartments are there? How many beds per room? If it really mattered or determined, I guess Jesus would have mentioned that thing. Or maybe not. But even this paragraph does not speak in favor of a fixed number of 144,000.
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    Witness got a reaction from César Chávez in They're better as a group, than they are individually - (observations from the outside)   
    Okay, but I ask, where is love for neighbor with this doctrine, a doctrine that for those who may not be like you, but totally embrace this timetable? Where is your love for your neighboring JWs?   This date is at the root of the organization’s teachings, and is a source of disfellowshipping for many who reject it.  Perhaps that is why you may be keeping your opinion to yourself? (Prov 29:25; Mark 10:29,30)
    I just heard a video clip that stated a document was prepared by the Chairman’s Committee of the GB, to change the date of 1914 to 1957.  Ray Franz comments on this document he was holding in the video:
    "Now, in this document, they suggest and advances an idea, that uh, the generation that would see the time of the end of all things should not be counted from 1914.  They fix on Jesus’ statement that there would be signs in the heavens, and so they suggest here that the date should be moved up to 1957, when the Sputnik was sent into space by the Russians, and they say, now this is the celestial phenomena that would indicate the generation that would see the final” (I didn’t catch the last word).
    It seems that this “Sputnik” idea was even brought out on this forum since I've been a member.  Someone can correct me on that.
    So, there you go.  If the doctrine of 1914 was correct, well established by the “slave” under the guidance of Jesus Christ, there would be no reason to consider moving the date.  There would be no need for David Splane to twist and turn the dates of Fred Franz’s birth and baptism…to make a new understanding of a date...they are too cowardly to admit is a lie. 
    And yet, it is a tool used to kick people to the curb, and why?  To save the face of men who have no pity for the damage they have done, to the lives of millions over the years. 
    Differing weights and varying measures—
    both are detestable to the Lord.  Prov 20:10
    Their hypocrisy should be detestable to us also.
    Have they proven to be “faithful and discreet”?  The word translated as “discreet”, actually has, as its definition…“wise”.  Matt 24:48-51
    There is no love for neighbor, no truth, no wisdom, no insight in the doctrine of 1914. 
    Yet, this date characterizes the organization that you belong to.
    "Now I urge you, brethren, note those who cause divisions and offenses, contrary to the doctrine which you learned, and avoid them. 18 For those who are such do not serve our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly, and by smooth words and flattering speech deceive the hearts of the simple. " Rom 16:17,18
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Musing on prayer   
    Thank you.  This appears to be a NWT, which I personally cannot trust.   If the anointed Body of Christ is trampled in the organization, so is Jesus Christ, their Head.   Dan 8:25
    I find it helpful to get a broader view of what is being said.  Here’s a link for many translations, just for 2 Cor 12:9
    https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/2 Corinthians 12:9  
    Consider this, the anointed are part of Christ.  They are the members of his spiritual Body.  He is the Head.   With a physical body, all members are controlled by the head, the mind.  No?  How, can the anointed operate without consulting their Head?  They must meet his approval, they must ask for direction.  They are his future “wife”. 
    If we were beheaded we would die. If we were to ignore what our head/mind tells us, we would become a vegetable.
    This, is what I see happening with the anointed in the organization.  They are disconnected from their Head and rely on men to guide them, who prohibited from them connecting in prayer, with their Head, Jesus Christ.
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Musing on prayer   
    That is true.  But isn’t it quite remarkable what GB has done!  They have put themselves in the limelight, and express the need to trust them!  Look what they have accomplished and built.  And of course, the decrees they pass down must be obeyed. 
    I am being flippant, because the description you give of an anointed one does not fit the “anointed” leadership of the organization who glorify themselves before cameras, and before God.  Who have proclaimed that they will be with Christ before the final judgment has arrived.  Men, who expects obedience to their errors.
     “Brothers and sisters, consider what you were when God called you to be Christians. Not many of you were wise from a human point of view. You were not in powerful positions or in the upper social classes. 27 But God chose what the world considers nonsense to put wise people to shame. God chose what the world considers weak to put what is strong to shame. 28 God chose what the world considers ordinary and what it despises—what it considers to be nothing—in order to destroy what it considers to be something. 29 As a result, no one can brag in God’s presence. 30 You are partners with Christ Jesus because of God. Jesus has become our wisdom sent from God, our approval, our holiness, and our ransom from sin. 31 As Scripture says, “Whoever brags must brag about what the Lord has done.” 1 Cor 1:26-31
    These men, won’t last.  Rev 17:12,13,15-18
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Pudgy in They're better as a group, than they are individually - (observations from the outside)   
    Okay, but I ask, where is love for neighbor with this doctrine, a doctrine that for those who may not be like you, but totally embrace this timetable? Where is your love for your neighboring JWs?   This date is at the root of the organization’s teachings, and is a source of disfellowshipping for many who reject it.  Perhaps that is why you may be keeping your opinion to yourself? (Prov 29:25; Mark 10:29,30)
    I just heard a video clip that stated a document was prepared by the Chairman’s Committee of the GB, to change the date of 1914 to 1957.  Ray Franz comments on this document he was holding in the video:
    "Now, in this document, they suggest and advances an idea, that uh, the generation that would see the time of the end of all things should not be counted from 1914.  They fix on Jesus’ statement that there would be signs in the heavens, and so they suggest here that the date should be moved up to 1957, when the Sputnik was sent into space by the Russians, and they say, now this is the celestial phenomena that would indicate the generation that would see the final” (I didn’t catch the last word).
    It seems that this “Sputnik” idea was even brought out on this forum since I've been a member.  Someone can correct me on that.
    So, there you go.  If the doctrine of 1914 was correct, well established by the “slave” under the guidance of Jesus Christ, there would be no reason to consider moving the date.  There would be no need for David Splane to twist and turn the dates of Fred Franz’s birth and baptism…to make a new understanding of a date...they are too cowardly to admit is a lie. 
    And yet, it is a tool used to kick people to the curb, and why?  To save the face of men who have no pity for the damage they have done, to the lives of millions over the years. 
    Differing weights and varying measures—
    both are detestable to the Lord.  Prov 20:10
    Their hypocrisy should be detestable to us also.
    Have they proven to be “faithful and discreet”?  The word translated as “discreet”, actually has, as its definition…“wise”.  Matt 24:48-51
    There is no love for neighbor, no truth, no wisdom, no insight in the doctrine of 1914. 
    Yet, this date characterizes the organization that you belong to.
    "Now I urge you, brethren, note those who cause divisions and offenses, contrary to the doctrine which you learned, and avoid them. 18 For those who are such do not serve our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly, and by smooth words and flattering speech deceive the hearts of the simple. " Rom 16:17,18
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Musing on prayer   
    He wouldn't be the first barking dog in the neighborhood, and most definitely, not the last.
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in They're better as a group, than they are individually - (observations from the outside)   
    Okay, but I ask, where is love for neighbor with this doctrine, a doctrine that for those who may not be like you, but totally embrace this timetable? Where is your love for your neighboring JWs?   This date is at the root of the organization’s teachings, and is a source of disfellowshipping for many who reject it.  Perhaps that is why you may be keeping your opinion to yourself? (Prov 29:25; Mark 10:29,30)
    I just heard a video clip that stated a document was prepared by the Chairman’s Committee of the GB, to change the date of 1914 to 1957.  Ray Franz comments on this document he was holding in the video:
    "Now, in this document, they suggest and advances an idea, that uh, the generation that would see the time of the end of all things should not be counted from 1914.  They fix on Jesus’ statement that there would be signs in the heavens, and so they suggest here that the date should be moved up to 1957, when the Sputnik was sent into space by the Russians, and they say, now this is the celestial phenomena that would indicate the generation that would see the final” (I didn’t catch the last word).
    It seems that this “Sputnik” idea was even brought out on this forum since I've been a member.  Someone can correct me on that.
    So, there you go.  If the doctrine of 1914 was correct, well established by the “slave” under the guidance of Jesus Christ, there would be no reason to consider moving the date.  There would be no need for David Splane to twist and turn the dates of Fred Franz’s birth and baptism…to make a new understanding of a date...they are too cowardly to admit is a lie. 
    And yet, it is a tool used to kick people to the curb, and why?  To save the face of men who have no pity for the damage they have done, to the lives of millions over the years. 
    Differing weights and varying measures—
    both are detestable to the Lord.  Prov 20:10
    Their hypocrisy should be detestable to us also.
    Have they proven to be “faithful and discreet”?  The word translated as “discreet”, actually has, as its definition…“wise”.  Matt 24:48-51
    There is no love for neighbor, no truth, no wisdom, no insight in the doctrine of 1914. 
    Yet, this date characterizes the organization that you belong to.
    "Now I urge you, brethren, note those who cause divisions and offenses, contrary to the doctrine which you learned, and avoid them. 18 For those who are such do not serve our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly, and by smooth words and flattering speech deceive the hearts of the simple. " Rom 16:17,18
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in They're better as a group, than they are individually - (observations from the outside)   
    Okay, but I ask, where is love for neighbor with this doctrine, a doctrine that for those who may not be like you, but totally embrace this timetable? Where is your love for your neighboring JWs?   This date is at the root of the organization’s teachings, and is a source of disfellowshipping for many who reject it.  Perhaps that is why you may be keeping your opinion to yourself? (Prov 29:25; Mark 10:29,30)
    I just heard a video clip that stated a document was prepared by the Chairman’s Committee of the GB, to change the date of 1914 to 1957.  Ray Franz comments on this document he was holding in the video:
    "Now, in this document, they suggest and advances an idea, that uh, the generation that would see the time of the end of all things should not be counted from 1914.  They fix on Jesus’ statement that there would be signs in the heavens, and so they suggest here that the date should be moved up to 1957, when the Sputnik was sent into space by the Russians, and they say, now this is the celestial phenomena that would indicate the generation that would see the final” (I didn’t catch the last word).
    It seems that this “Sputnik” idea was even brought out on this forum since I've been a member.  Someone can correct me on that.
    So, there you go.  If the doctrine of 1914 was correct, well established by the “slave” under the guidance of Jesus Christ, there would be no reason to consider moving the date.  There would be no need for David Splane to twist and turn the dates of Fred Franz’s birth and baptism…to make a new understanding of a date...they are too cowardly to admit is a lie. 
    And yet, it is a tool used to kick people to the curb, and why?  To save the face of men who have no pity for the damage they have done, to the lives of millions over the years. 
    Differing weights and varying measures—
    both are detestable to the Lord.  Prov 20:10
    Their hypocrisy should be detestable to us also.
    Have they proven to be “faithful and discreet”?  The word translated as “discreet”, actually has, as its definition…“wise”.  Matt 24:48-51
    There is no love for neighbor, no truth, no wisdom, no insight in the doctrine of 1914. 
    Yet, this date characterizes the organization that you belong to.
    "Now I urge you, brethren, note those who cause divisions and offenses, contrary to the doctrine which you learned, and avoid them. 18 For those who are such do not serve our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly, and by smooth words and flattering speech deceive the hearts of the simple. " Rom 16:17,18
     
     
     
     
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in They're better as a group, than they are individually - (observations from the outside)   
    :))) ....there isn't really a problem with that aspect. If the number changes, it's because some anointed ones drop out, some replace them, and some dropouts come back again ... somewhere, or at least in WTJWorg.
    Only the Main Administrative Body (ruling council), which is the Ecclesiastical GB, can have a problem. Because their doctrine, which is in force because of their will and so called “guided” understanding, is incorrect. :))
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in They're better as a group, than they are individually - (observations from the outside)   
    17 However, if some of the branches were broken off and you, although being a wild olive, were grafted in among them and became a sharer of the richness of the olive’s root...20  That is true! For their lack of faith, they were broken off,...23  And they also, if they do not remain in their lack of faith, will be grafted in,y for God is able to graft them back in.
    As we know, WTJWorg teaches that 144000 is a literal number. They also teaches that if some “anointed ones” drop out then they will be replaced by someone else, to get the number filled.
    Reading these lines, I see something for the first time. Fallen anointed ones are replaced by newly elected anointed ones. But the verse says that the fallen anointed ones can return and be attached to the tree again. So the tree always remains the same, but the number of branches is not determined. Returning the cut branches, there is no mention anywhere that the replacement branches will be cut off because the original branches are reattached. So, the number of "anointed ones" according to this illustration is not defined. It can be larger than the imagined number (144000).
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Musing on prayer   
    Thank you for these scriptures. 
    God sends those whose hearts desire to serve Him, to Jesus.  Without knowing Jesus and his teachings, we cannot fully come to know God.  Jesus is the pivotal point in our worship in spirit and truth.  (John 4:23,24)
    “All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him." Matt 11:27
    This takes a relationship with Christ in order to know the Father.  No one can establish a valuable relationship with anyone, without communication.  
    The apostle Paul was a human being who spoke to Jesus twice after his resurrection that we know of...besides the vision he experienced.  How can one man, as well as Stephen, have the privilege of speaking to Jesus, but no other person is allowed to?
    "Therefore, in order to keep me from becoming conceited, I was given a thorn in my flesh, a messenger of Satan, to torment me. 8 Three times I pleaded with the Lord to take it away from me. 
    This is communication, but with whom?
    9 But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” 
    Who's power?
    "Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may rest on me. 10 That is why, for Christ’s sake, I delight in weaknesses, in insults, in hardships, in persecutions, in difficulties. For when I am weak, then I am strong."  2 Cor 12:7b-10
    Jesus and Paul were communicating through prayer.
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Musing on prayer   
    He wouldn't be the first barking dog in the neighborhood, and most definitely, not the last.
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    Witness got a reaction from Pudgy in Musing on prayer   
    Maybe Sir Isaac Newton was anointed.
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    Witness got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in Musing on prayer   
    He wouldn't be the first barking dog in the neighborhood, and most definitely, not the last.
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    Witness got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in Musing on prayer   
    Where is the scripture that makes no allowance for it?
    NOW you don't have a problem with it?  Even though apparently there is no scripture that makes allowance for it?
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in Musing on prayer   
    Maybe Sir Isaac Newton was anointed.
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Musing on prayer   
    Where is the scripture that makes no allowance for it?
    NOW you don't have a problem with it?  Even though apparently there is no scripture that makes allowance for it?
     
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    Witness got a reaction from César Chávez in They're better as a group, than they are individually - (observations from the outside)   
    I remember when you used that argument when 7 GB were ruling.  Now, it's 8.  Oops!
    This is all I'm saying about 1914 for the benefit of those with eyes that see and ears that hear.  (Isa 29:18)
    Do birth pains follow a birth?  Your governing leaders seem to think so.
    After God’s Messianic kingdom was born in the heavens at the close of the Gentile Times in 1914, Satan the Devil and his army of demon angels were cast down in defeat from heaven to the vicinity of this earth. Wt 76/12/15
    What were those events from 1914 onward, according to what Jesus said in his prophecy? Why was the “end” “not yet” after those initial events?7 As in the case of nineteen centuries ago, the international war, the food shortages, the pestilences and earthquakes, were a “beginning of pangs of distress.” (Matt. 24:8) 
    Today's "Gentile times" have NOT ended.  “Gentiles” in the form of the elder body presently trample the anointed priesthood and Temple of God in the organization. Matt 24:15; Dan 11:31,32,36; 2 Thess 2:4; Rev 11:1-3; Eccl 10:5-7
     1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22
     
     Jesus was established as king in the first century.  Ps 110:1,2; 1 Pet 3:22; Matt 28:18; 1 Cor 15:25,24; Eph 1:20-23
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    Witness got a reaction from César Chávez in They're better as a group, than they are individually - (observations from the outside)   
    Perhaps you can explain with God's Word, how I have disobeyed Jesus.
    Are you saying that it is the elder body who has been designated as the ‘harvesters’ through their shunning and disfellowshipping techniques?
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from César Chávez in They're better as a group, than they are individually - (observations from the outside)   
    There doesn’t appear to have been a need for the anointed and true believers in Christ down through the ages, to develop an organization…until Russel came along.  Jesus said God is looking for those who worship “in spirit and truth”.  Was Russel worshiping in “spirit and truth”?  How many untruths did that man, and all leaders who followed him, pronounce as truths?  Preaching untruths – lies – is evidence of the lack of Holy Spirit from the God of Truth.  (Num 23:19)
    In order to 'gather together as the day draws near', an organization isn’t necessary.  I understand that there have been new regulations,  new warnings where no JW  can “gather” on zoom independently for Bible study, or even to pray together - nothing aside of outlined protocol approved by the GB or their helpers is acceptable.   Is that rule found in the scriptures?  Or, is this a necessary rule that ensures the life of and unity within, an organization? The GB is afraid of what these independent ones may learn from one another, who may realize they have been duped.  The encouraging attitude of the Bereans ends with the JW baptism. (Acts 17:11)
    As an elder, are you enforcing these new decrees?
    Announcements and Reminders March 2021
    FOR ELDERS
    7. Private Meetings Arranged via Video conference: “The faithful and discreet slave” has provided practical, Scriptural guidance that highlights principles for individuals to consider when deciding whether to organize or attend a social gathering. (Matt. 24:45-47) Rather than making rules, the emphasis should be on applying Bible principles. When Bible principles are applied, social gatherings can be refreshing and bring honor to Jehovah. —1 Cor. 10:23, 24, 31, 32. 8. While there is no objection to wholesome social gatherings, we have received reports that some have begun to arrange additional meetings and events for spiritual instruction, even beginning and ending such meetings with prayer. While the individuals organizing and participating in such meetings likely are well-intentioned, there is no provision for such arrangements. 9. Jehovah’s people receive ample spiritual instruction and encouragement at congregation meetings, assemblies, and conventions as well as through JW Broadcasting and our publications. Under the guidance of his holy spirit and on the basis of his Word of truth, Jehovah provides what is needed through the faithful and discreet slave. Care should be taken not to organize or promote meetings for spiritual feeding beyond what has been provided by the organization. Such meetings could detract from what Jesus Christ is accomplishing through his congregation on earth today. Adhering to this direction will help all of God’s people to “be completely united in the same mind and in the same line of thought” and to remain “stabilized in the faith.”—1 Cor. 1:10; Col. 2:6, 7.
    Detract from what Jesus is accomplishing, or from what men are attempting to accomplish?  No, there is a need to remain in the same mind as the GB, who by the way, are not inspired.  There was no valid scripture given to support their case.  What rules are we to follow, those of men or those of Jesus Christ? If JWs proudly say they follow the teachings of Christ but choose to adhere to the laws of men, are they not hypocrites?
    I do not sit with the deceitful,
        nor do I associate with hypocrites.
    5 I abhor the assembly of evildoers
        and refuse to sit with the wicked.  Ps 26:4,5
    It is wickedness to control the entire spirituality of another, when what is taught transgresses the laws of Christ.
    So, what do JWs want,  a social life or truth?  Obviously, the organization only wants their gatherings to be on a social level, and to leave the scriptures out of it. 
    About the angels are...
    The Greek meaning for angel is “messenger”.   
    https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?t=kjv&strongs=g32
    This Greek word is also used in relationship to John the Baptist. (Matt 11:10) Yes, Jesus referred to him as an “angel”/messenger. 
    Jesus’ “angels” are his anointed servants.  (Mal 3:1-5; John 13:20; Matt 13:37-43; Rev 1:1; 11:1-3; Zech 4:1-5,14; Rev 18:4-8; 14:6-12,15-19)
    By the exposure of truth in the presence of lies, the angel/servants/messengers sent by Christ are an integral part of the harvest –separating out the “sons of the kingdom” through the word of Truth instilled in them, by the spirit of God.  (Matt 13:38)
    Satan also has his angel messengers who deceive the elect (anointed).  They speak lies and enforce their oppressive rules, to ensure their physical life, and that of their earthly organization.  (2 Cor 11: 13-15; Rev 13:11,12; 16:13-16; 20:7-10)  (Matt 24:24; Mark 13:19-23)
    That's the deal? Jesus condemned the Pharisees for additional rules and burdens put upon the people.  (Matt 23:4; Mark 7:7)
    God has never approved of His people listening to lies, and becoming liars themselves. (Jer 23:16)
    No, that's not the deal.   We don’t put up with people who lock us away from investigating our beliefs, sharing what we feel with others, or from preventing us from knowing Truth...or seeking out our anointed brethren who are to follow one Master, Jesus Christ.
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from César Chávez in They're better as a group, than they are individually - (observations from the outside)   
    https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2020/06/30/lds-church-says-pandemic/
    I was raised as a Catholic and lived next door to a devout Mormon family, who were my extended family. I had basically two mothers, and learned from both.   I was guarded by their mutual love.  When I became a JW and my father died, I refused to attend his funeral in the Catholic Church.  My feelings were respected and my family's love for me never faded. 
    While JWs reserve their love for each other, the Mormon Church reaches out into the community in massive ways.   Each religion, the Catholics, Mormons, Watchtower has its horrendous record of hidden child abuse; which proves that NO organization can boast that it is founded on love, no matter what it has accomplished. 
    JWs instantly shut their brand of love off, when someone rejects the organization. For this, families are torn apart.   Is this love?  Victims of abuse are shunned for their outcry of injustice, committed by the elder body.  Is this love?  The organization’s lawyers fight to win court battles involving child abuse.  Is this love?  They don't stop once but keep at it, hoping to hold on to their riches.  This is so alien to the teachings of Jesus Christ.
    The anointed Body of Christ is admonished not to bond together under their Head Jesus Christ and show love for one another. (1 Cor 12:15-27)
    WHO has the authority to regulate love?  The governing body?
    The love shown by JWs as an organization, is regulated by rules coming from these men, and enforced by the elders. 
    This is not true love.
    Yes he does.
    The "mighty mountainlike organization" will fall.  The Temple/Zion/mountain of "living stones" that God established through His Son, will rise.  The anointed are bonding outside of this delusional mountain.(1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17)
    "What are you, mighty mountain? Before Zerubbabel you will become level ground. Then he will bring out the capstone to shouts of ‘God bless it! God bless it!’”
    8 Then the word of the Lord came to me: 9 “The hands of Zerubbabel have laid the foundation of this temple; his hands will also complete it. Then you will know that the Lord Almighty has sent me to you.
    10 “Who dares despise the day of small things, since the seven eyes of the Lord that range throughout the earth will rejoice when they see the chosen capstone in the hand of Zerubbabel?”  Zech 4:7-1-10
    The Rise of Mount Zion
     
     
     
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Musing on prayer   
    @TrueTomHarley  When "They (GB) speak", members are reminded to have full trust in GB  (and their words), and not to question "instructions" because WT Study Edition gave lesson:  All of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or  human  standpoint or not. - https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/pl/r1/lp-e?q=w13 11%2F15 20
    Who is "too much", TTH ?  
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Musing on prayer   
    Jesus is the Word, the Logos. John 1:1    He has been speaking to people since mankind was created.  He is the representative of the word of God.  It was he who spoke God’s word to Moses, and it was he who was one of the three angels that visited Abraham before destroying Sodom and Gomorrah.  It was he who appeared to Joshua.  It was he who spoke to Paul when he was struck with blindness, and Paul spoke back to him.  (Exod 3:5; Josh 5:15; Gen 18:1,2; Acts 9:4-6)
    Rutherford, at one time encouraged worship to Jesus, and then began to teach the opposite. One has to ask why.  Who is it that is at war with Jesus?  Who would rather we not speak to the Son of God?  (Gen 3:15; Eph 6:12; 1 Tim 4:1)   The only people who are telling JWs not to speak to Jesus Christ, are men - the leaders in the Watchtower.  
     
    "The LORD acquired me at the beginning of his creation, before his works of long ago. 23 "I was formed before ancient times, from the beginning, before the earth began. 24 "I was born when there were no watery depths and no springs filled with water.
    "Before the mountains were established, prior to the hills, I was given birth -- 26 "before he made the land, the fields, or the first soil on earth. 27 "I was there when he established the heavens, when he laid out the horizon on the surface of the ocean,
    when he placed the skies above, when the fountains of the ocean gushed out, 29 when he set a limit for the sea so that the waters would not violate his command, when he laid out the foundations of the earth. 30 I was a skilled craftsman beside him. I was his delight every day, always rejoicing before him. 31 I was rejoicing in his inhabited world, delighting in the children of Adam.  Prov 8:22-31
     “He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For everything was created by him, in heaven and on earth, the visible and the invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities -- all things have been created through him and for him. 17 He is before all things, and by him all things hold together.”  Col 1:15-17
     
    I am so sorry that JWs are prevented by men with smooth convincing words on their tongue, from approaching the Word of God, Jesus Christ.  It took polished, well-crafted words to change the whole concept of worshipping Jesus, into proclaiming it a sin against God.
     
    My companion attacks his friends.
        He breaks his promise.
    21 His talk is as smooth as butter.
        But he has war in his heart.
    His words flow like olive oil.
        But they are like swords ready for battle.  Ps 55:20,21
     
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Musing on prayer   
    The following thesis should be considered. If Jesus became King, with all "authority in heaven and on earth," in 33 AD or in 1914 AD, as you wish, than we come to a dilemma;
    If Jesus is your King, from whom should you ask, pray for mercy, blessing, help, etc.? From his Dad or from Him who is The King?
    According to WTJWorg teaching, JHVH is The Grandfather, already (think in book "Prince of Peace" they put this). Also, Witness explained in her illustration this moment. If the interpretation of the Biblical words is correct (about the surrender / return of the power of the Son to the Father, after 1000 years) from 1 Cor. 15, we shall have different situation about Who is Who in the Universe. 
    Then we have in John 14 6; Jesus said to him, “I am the way + and the truth + and the life. + No one comes to the Father except through me.
    But we also have John 6 44; No man can come to me unless the Father, who sent me, draws him, ..
    Interesting and complicated, at least for me. 
    If there is freedom of communication, at least (even if) only in our head, then we can "talk" to whoever we want. After all, only a few have literally heard a reaction to their words, according to Bible.
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Musing on prayer   
    Truthfully, I am touched by your expressions.  I hope you will consider the balanced view of an anointed one, other than those of your leaders:
    Question:  "In light of Stephen praying to Jesus, at Acts 7:59; is it proper to pray to Jesus?"
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    My Reply:
    Imagine that Jesus is our father (Isa 9:6) and Yhvh is our grandfather.
    There is no distinction between fathers and grandfathers, in the Bible (John 8:39), so all ancestors, were called "Father". 
    So when Jesus taught us to pray, he called his Father, our Father (Matt 6:9) even though in a sense, he is our grandfather, because Jesus is the direct father (Isa 9:6; John 1:4).
    We have a relationship with both fathers. We also have a relationship with our spiritual mother. (Gal 4:26; 1 Thess 2:7; Gal 4:19)  
     When we have a loving relationship with those who are responsible for our care, do we not speak openly to each one of them?
    There are times when we need to speak to our father...
    other times when we want to speak directly to our grandfather (through the name of Jesus)...
    and times when we need to talk with our mother.  (The faithful anointed under the New Covenant "woman")
    It was the mindset of JWs, that gave us the rigid idea that we should be cut off from speaking to our mother and father... but only speak to our grandfather, by name ("Je-hovah" (which name belongs to the Destroyer).
    https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2016/11/who-is-destroyer.html
    How interesting! How well would a child do... who could not speak to it's parents... but only to an outside impostor who sought to mislead and destroy them? 
    My point, is that whoever it is that you need to speak with, that is the one you should pray to.
    Love in Christ,
    Pearl
     How To Pray
     
     
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