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    Witness reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in WATCHTOWER, 1991 - "HOW TO CHOOSE THE RIGHT RELIGION"   
    You are good for a laugh. So is good old Tom. 
    JW's serve the Watchtower / JW Org. They do not serve God through Jesus Christ. JW's stand (or did) at a cart / trolly full of GB dictated literature. Now that is serving the GB / Org. ... JWs used to go door to door with similar GB dictated literature, amd JWs do, so called, Bible studies, but again with GB dictated books.  It is all based on GB, uninspired indeas. It's what the 'world' would call propaganda.  As for the roadmap, it changes every couple of years, direction and length.
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in WATCHTOWER, 1991 - "HOW TO CHOOSE THE RIGHT RELIGION"   
    We can be part of collectively adhering to the truth of Christ, (which is determined by God and Jesus) or collectively adhering to the lies of men.  But, all of us stand as individuals before Christ at the end.   If accused of tolerating and favoring lies, we cannot say, “but our leaders told us to abide by their teachings!”  Matt 7:21-23
    Do JWs realize that as a collective, they are not saved?  Individuals who defied God’s direction in the wilderness during the days of Moses, were not saved because they were part of Israel.
    “They have contradicted the Lord
    and insisted, “It won’t happen.
    Harm won’t come to us;
    we won’t see sword or famine.”
    13 The prophets become only wind,
    for the Lord’s word is not in them.
    This will in fact happen to them.”  Jer 5:12,13
    The Lord said:  “These people approach me with their speeches
    to honor me with lip-service,
    yet their hearts are far from me,
    and human rules direct their worship of me.” Isa 29:13 
     
    @Srecko Sostar, you brought out the simple scripture not long ago, that tells us to stay away from establishing “organization”; and all religious organizations have a centralized authority. We cannot claim that any religion organized by men on this earth, will lead us to eternal life. 
    “A dispute also arose among them, which of them was considered to be greatest. 25 He said to them, “The kings of the nations (“Gentiles”/elders)  lord it over them, and those who have authority over them (the “Gentiles”) are called ‘benefactors.’ (“friends of the people” – the GB) 26 But not so with you. But one who is the greater among you, let him become as the younger, and one who is governing, as one who serves.”  Luke 22:24-26
    He reiterated this plea in John 4, saying God is seeking those who only worship Him in “spirit and truth”. John 4:21-24  For 2,000 years, the only religious organizations during that time period have proven to be false.  Yet, true believers outside of these organizations, still worshiped in spirit and truth. They put their trust in God only. And who can say otherwise, the WT?
    If the need for an earthly organization to worship God is found necessary, that person is unable to take confidence in God and Christ, to lead them into truth. 
     
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in WATCHTOWER, 1991 - "HOW TO CHOOSE THE RIGHT RELIGION"   
    JW members, perhaps not knowing or because they are not fully aware, generally, with whole hearth supports "collective responsibility idea" and by that shares "guilty" for their GB "sins" (false teachings, wrong instructions, disobeying secular laws in many cases).
    On other hand, Bible gave examples how looks "collective responsibility" and "collective punishment" and in some cases "individual responsibility" and "collective guilt and punishment".
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    Witness reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in WATCHTOWER, 1991 - "HOW TO CHOOSE THE RIGHT RELIGION"   
    Lets examine this :
    Believe me, I understand the feeling.   Do you ? What feeling do you understand ?  Being abused as a child ? Being called a liar by the Elders of a congragation ?  Being D/fed for complaining about yourself or your child being sexually abused ? So which of those things do you understand ? 
    But the organization isn't the issue That is your own opinon. My opinion and the opinion of many other people is that the Org Leaders over many years are to blame.
    which after a time we realize from viewing many who leave for one reason stay away from God altogether
    I would suggest that JWs do not have any idea what 'many who leave' do after they have left.  As the ones that leave are totally shunned then how do JWs know what they are doing. Do you go around spying on ex-JWs ? Do you know if ex-JWs pray or study the Bible in their homes, in private ?
    TTH uses this idea lot, but does he go spying on ex-JWS, I doubt it.  This stupid brainwashing from the ORG, that people who leave the Org turn against God. And JWs fall for this brainwashing. Oh dear. 
    Are you impatient ? I'm not. The longer it goes on, maybe the better.  It gives more time for God, through Christ, to sort out a clean organsation to serve Him.  It also gives more people time to serve God properly. And, if conditons get much worse it may help other people to see the contrast between good and evil. So, more time can be a good thing. 
    It has been proven many times that Elders and Ministerial Servants have sexually abused young children in the congregatoins. But TTH is in denial. However TTH points at other religions and blames them, BUT TTH also has said that other religions don't have any records of such things ??????????  So, there are no records but TTH 'knows' that the leaders of other religions are to blame.  Whereas there ARE records in each country, of the JW sexual abuse. Oh dear, where are the GB and their Lawyers hiding that 25 year Pedophile database ??? And why are they hiding it ? 
     
    I've no idea who this HF is. But, TTH seems to like them. 
    Vendetta. Um, is that what Jesus had against the Pharisees ?   I think not.
    I do worry, seriously, about how JWs have had their 'natural affection' switched off by the GB and it's Org. How JWs can treat victims of CSA as just being collateral damage. All the 'dirt' swept under the carpet just to keep the Watchtower / Org 'alive'. 
    Really ??? I think not. I think it's ex-JWs that have brought it out into the open. They have helped to get it into the courtrooms. Ex JWs have been the reason that the Shepherding book has been revised, though of course you won't admit to that. Ex-JWs opened up the biggest 'can of worms' possible in the JW  Org. And that is why people like TTH and others hate ex JWs. 
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in "Magadangate: A Governing Body member gets the gospels wrong!"   
    What are you downvoting, Allen?  The fact that the GB member was exposed for his stupidity?  I remember watching him create his drawing, thinking how confusing his account seemed. What was his point, I thought.  But, I didn’t investigate it, and moved on.  I appreciate how the maker of the video drew my attention to Jackson’s melding of two Bible accounts, into his own.  After realizing this mistake, I thought to myself how many people were used in filming just his part of the meeting, and no one questioned his demonstration of this account about Jesus, as inaccurate. 
    So, what are you downvoting?  Are you downvoting Jackson – that he should have done better research, even pray about his demonstration to be in harmony with scriptures?  Or, are you downvoting someone who isn’t a JW, but found the error? 
    What concerns you more?
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    Witness reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in WATCHTOWER, 1991 - "HOW TO CHOOSE THE RIGHT RELIGION"   
    I laugh at you JWs trying to clear your own conscience, just so that you can continue your 'comfort zone' way of life. Your social club. For that's what it is. 
    Deliberately twisting truth and deliberately denying CSA in your 'oh so precious Org'. You continue to serve your GB, your 'F&DS', your heroes.  
    Oh yes of course some of you admit, well yes it does happen, but it's because people are 'only human'. and then you go on to compare it to the 'world'. How really sad it is to compare things to the 'world' which is run by Satan. It seems you compare the Org on the same level as the 'world'. Very strange as the Org is supposed to be 'no part of the world'. But you people drag it into that 'world'. 
    Let's take anna's stupid comment. Or was it tom's ? 
    Can you see how this is so stupid ?  Walmart shoppers are not employed by Walmart. Walmart have no responsibility for it's shoppers in that respect.  BUT the GB and all it's 'official' ranks are the responsibility of the Watchtower / Org. 
    (I'll ask one more time. What has happened to that 25 + year Pedophilia database that the GB and it's Lawyers are hiding away ? Have the GB done a deal with the Feds ? Or is the new president going to make pedophilia legal ? )
    I don't think so. I think it is you that is confused. Because what has happened, and has been proven in courts, is that the Watchtower / JW Org has hidden the CSA by Elders and Ministerial Servants. Yes those 'highly thought of brothers' that abuse their own children and others, have been kept hidden in congregations, because the children have been frightened into keeping quiet. 
    Oh well, it's lunch time here in Devon, England, and eating lunch is more positive that trying to teach truth to you that just want your ears tickled by your superiors. 
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in WATCHTOWER, 1991 - "HOW TO CHOOSE THE RIGHT RELIGION"   
    HF aka Holly Folk from Cesnur (strange organization indeed) speaking about "family abuse" inside JW organization/congregations as something that is real problem in WTJWorg. She explained/stated how cases of CSA in WTJWorg are not "institutional". Let see. 
    How many parents / guardians have committed CSA to their children? When this became known, then the "institution" through WTJWorg elders, took "institutional measures" in this regard.
    How many JW members regardless of status (rank and file, MS, elders) have committed CSA over other people's children? When this became known, then the "institution" through WTJWorg elders, took "institutional measures" in this regard.
    In both cases, the WTJWorg institution became involved in "family" relations or "private" relations between members and decided that such a case was within the jurisdiction of WTJWorg, a "religious-business institution". Moreover, WTJWorg has over time established a “procedure” or “policy” on how such matters should be dealt WITHOUT involving “secular institutions”.
    So please, who wants to tell stories here and blur the eyes of others? HF and Cesnur for sure. Who else?
    On the other hand, if WTJWorg has had a problem with “domestic violence and family abuse” to such an extent throughout all these decades, than we need to seriously ask - where has the “WTJWorg institution” failed?
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    Witness got a reaction from ApostaBabe Linda James in WATCHTOWER, 1991 - "HOW TO CHOOSE THE RIGHT RELIGION"   
    Ps 146:3 - Do not trust in nobles,
    in a son of man,who cannot save.
    The entire Psalm 146 is relevant to those who decide not to trust “nobles” – the dual rulership of the organization. Their eyes were opened by the grace of God, and they are no longer held spiritually and emotionally captive to false teachings; although they realize this could mean the end to any relationship with family or friends. (2 Pet 2:1-3; Matt 19:27-29) Jesus tells us this loss would happen to those who know that his teachings are far superior to those of men. (Luke 11:46; Matt 15:14)   This spiritual judgment of “death” translates into a victory of freedom, to pursue truth in Christ. (John 16:2; Heb 13:13; Rev 13:15; 11:1-3,7)  A relationship with God and Jesus develops without intervention from “nobles”.   Have you disfellowshipped anyone for rejecting the GB, the organization, or its teachings?  You don’t seem like the type who would go along this regulation. 
    “The Lord protects resident aliens
    and helps the fatherless and the widow,
    but he frustrates the ways of the wicked.” Ps 146:5
    How does He frustrate the ways of the wicked?  The evidence is in Wt’s constant renewing of failed teachings. (Isn’t there now “new light” about the sheep and the goats?)  He can also “send” a lying spirit upon those who refuse to serve Him in truth, preferring to follow their own heart’s desires of gaining material wealth, prominence and power over others. (1 Kings 22:22; 2Thess 2:9-12) (Luke 22:24-27; 4:5-7;1 John 2:15-17)  Failed teachings do not have their source in the Spirit of Christ. Nothing ‘poisonous’ would come from the lips of one speaking Christ’s truths.  (Matt 12:34; Luke 6:43; 1 Cor 10:12; Heb 12:15; Prov 5:3-6; Rev 8:11; 17:15)   God voluntarily removes His Spirit from any anointed who “fall” from His grace. (1 Sam 6:14; 1 Cor 5:1-5)   
    Why do JWs trust in the words of men who cannot save even themselves, from their own adulterous tongue? (Ps 5:9; James 1:26)
    Two spiritual nations inhabit the organization – “Israel”, the smaller nation, has put its trust in elders/”Gentiles”, and arrogant leaders of “Israel” (if they are all anointed). The elders act as nobles – “princes”; even called such in the magazines. (Jer 23:1,2)  This larger nation has the authority to keep “Israel” in check, according to the regulations of those in charge. (2 Thess 2:3,4) Is this scriptural?  No.  But it has happened numerous times to the physical nation of Israel.  Although this rulership is called “shepherding”, it is an internal force of evil to instill power over God’s people.  The accusatory remarks about the anointed being mentally unsound, that they may be fakes, (I’m not saying it can’t happen), etc.; have their source in the accuser himself.  He demands to sift God’s saints “as wheat”.  (Job 1:10; Zech 3:1,2;  Luke 22:31; Rev 12:10) He did the same to Jesus Christ, through the religious leaders.  (Matt 12:24-28)
    You say you love to read and research the scriptures.  You must see this has happened time and again where God has allowed nations to overcome Israel.  And why? They choose false teachings and idolatry over giving God exclusive devotion to Him and His decrees through Jesus Christ.   This organization is not the Israel of old where the prophet Moses led people through the wilderness, but that is exactly what JWs translate the organization as today.  There are sly connections made of the GB to Moses. What blasphemy.   In comments such as, “come to Jehovah’s organization for salvation”, or ‘when the slave passes decrees, these decrees come from Jehovah and must be obeyed’…we see idolatry in its most blasphemous form.  We have God's decrees already written down.  Are we to add to the Bible?  The only “organization” now, is through the Body of Christ – it is not a physical apparition built on a mountain that JWs expect their studies to stream to.  (John 4:21-24; Acts 7:47-51; 17:24-27; 1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22) 
    Satan has one last shot of wiping out God’s holy people. (Rev chapter 12)  It took something “different” to turn "Israel's" hearts from God this time, to lead them into serving an idol that promises salvation.  It has been well manipulated and developed over the years, becoming a sinful inclination to admire and love  - the “Beast” that “makes war with the saints”. (Dan 7:23; 8:10; Rev 11:12; 13:7)  God has allowed this test to fall upon them. (Luke 22:31,32)  This is the essence of the Great Tribulation and the divisive war of Armageddon.  (Joel 3:14)
    Have you ever wondered why the leadership repeatedly warns of the GT positioned on the doorstep, but no matter what devastation may occur in the world, they still haven’t laid down that card?  What’s stopping them?  How many JWs have died from covid? How many are in prison, some for many years? How many earthquakes and natural disasters, uprising in the governments, will it take for them to say, “it’s here”?  Do they know something that JWs don’t - that the GT is really about the saints (“kings of the earth” Rev 1:5) conquered by their lies?  (Rev 16:13-16)  And that the "signs" are not literal but spiritual?  (Luke 8:10; 17:20,21)
    “Woe to you who long for the day of the Lord!
    What will the day of the Lord be for you?
    It will be darkness and not light.
    19 It will be like a man who flees from a lion
    only to have a bear confront him.
    He goes home and rests his hand against the wall
    only to have a snake bite him.
    20 Won’t the day of the Lord
    be darkness rather than light,
    even gloom without any brightness in it?”  Amos 5:18-20
    Darkness represents Satan’s deceit, leading to death.  “Light” represents Christ and his truths, leading to eternal life. 
    Matt 4:16; John 1:5; 8:12; Col 1:13; 1 Pet 2:9; 2 Cor 6:14; Eph 5:14…etc.
    The true shepherds, chosen by God through anointing, (Isa 43:10; 1 Pet 2:5,9; Eph 2:20-22) have put their trust in nobles instead of Jesus Christ and God to lead them.  They have neglected their role to teach the people His laws.(Mal 2:7; Heb 8:10) “Israel” is oppressed by men – again! (Jer 50:33; Col 2:8; Rev 13:10) They can continue to languish behind Wt’s walls of darkness, allowing men to rule over them; or, as Revelation shows, they turn to Jesus Christ for freedom and truth. (Rev 3:18)  Any JW can and should, do the same.  (Rev 18:4-8; Matt 24:15,16)
    “Happy is the one whose help is the God of Jacob,
    whose hope is in the Lord his God”  Ps 146:5
    Although elders are believed to be God’s shepherds, they are in fact only herders, hired to keep “Israel” surrounded with the GB’s falsehoods and oppressive rules. (Rev 9:1-5;13:11,12; 20:7-10)   Even dogs can herd sheep, and follow the commands of their master.  (John 10:7-13; Matt 24:48-51; Rev 9:1-5; 13:11,12,8; 17:8; 22:15; Matt 6:24)
    You seem to be a kind man, but your position as an elder ruling over/”sitting” in the spiritual Temple of God is a very dangerous one to be in.  (1 Cor 3:16,17; Rev 13:5-7; 22:10-14)  The “man of lawlessness” sitting in the Temple of God, is the exalted heartbeat of the fourth “beast”/organization – and you, as an elder, contribute to that heartbeat.  (Mark 13:14; 2 Thess 2:1-4,8,9-12)
     
    I apologize if there are mistakes in scripture
    EDITED
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from César Chávez in "Magadangate: A Governing Body member gets the gospels wrong!"   
    "Reviewing the 2020 Annual Meeting Part Three) For the first time on camera, a Governing Body member gets the Bible wrong merging two different stories about Jesus into one. And the for some reason, the holy spirit did not stop this error featuring as part of the most illustrious event in the Jehovah's Witness calendar."
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in WATCHTOWER, 1991 - "HOW TO CHOOSE THE RIGHT RELIGION"   
    Ps 146:3 - Do not trust in nobles,
    in a son of man,who cannot save.
    The entire Psalm 146 is relevant to those who decide not to trust “nobles” – the dual rulership of the organization. Their eyes were opened by the grace of God, and they are no longer held spiritually and emotionally captive to false teachings; although they realize this could mean the end to any relationship with family or friends. (2 Pet 2:1-3; Matt 19:27-29) Jesus tells us this loss would happen to those who know that his teachings are far superior to those of men. (Luke 11:46; Matt 15:14)   This spiritual judgment of “death” translates into a victory of freedom, to pursue truth in Christ. (John 16:2; Heb 13:13; Rev 13:15; 11:1-3,7)  A relationship with God and Jesus develops without intervention from “nobles”.   Have you disfellowshipped anyone for rejecting the GB, the organization, or its teachings?  You don’t seem like the type who would go along this regulation. 
    “The Lord protects resident aliens
    and helps the fatherless and the widow,
    but he frustrates the ways of the wicked.” Ps 146:5
    How does He frustrate the ways of the wicked?  The evidence is in Wt’s constant renewing of failed teachings. (Isn’t there now “new light” about the sheep and the goats?)  He can also “send” a lying spirit upon those who refuse to serve Him in truth, preferring to follow their own heart’s desires of gaining material wealth, prominence and power over others. (1 Kings 22:22; 2Thess 2:9-12) (Luke 22:24-27; 4:5-7;1 John 2:15-17)  Failed teachings do not have their source in the Spirit of Christ. Nothing ‘poisonous’ would come from the lips of one speaking Christ’s truths.  (Matt 12:34; Luke 6:43; 1 Cor 10:12; Heb 12:15; Prov 5:3-6; Rev 8:11; 17:15)   God voluntarily removes His Spirit from any anointed who “fall” from His grace. (1 Sam 6:14; 1 Cor 5:1-5)   
    Why do JWs trust in the words of men who cannot save even themselves, from their own adulterous tongue? (Ps 5:9; James 1:26)
    Two spiritual nations inhabit the organization – “Israel”, the smaller nation, has put its trust in elders/”Gentiles”, and arrogant leaders of “Israel” (if they are all anointed). The elders act as nobles – “princes”; even called such in the magazines. (Jer 23:1,2)  This larger nation has the authority to keep “Israel” in check, according to the regulations of those in charge. (2 Thess 2:3,4) Is this scriptural?  No.  But it has happened numerous times to the physical nation of Israel.  Although this rulership is called “shepherding”, it is an internal force of evil to instill power over God’s people.  The accusatory remarks about the anointed being mentally unsound, that they may be fakes, (I’m not saying it can’t happen), etc.; have their source in the accuser himself.  He demands to sift God’s saints “as wheat”.  (Job 1:10; Zech 3:1,2;  Luke 22:31; Rev 12:10) He did the same to Jesus Christ, through the religious leaders.  (Matt 12:24-28)
    You say you love to read and research the scriptures.  You must see this has happened time and again where God has allowed nations to overcome Israel.  And why? They choose false teachings and idolatry over giving God exclusive devotion to Him and His decrees through Jesus Christ.   This organization is not the Israel of old where the prophet Moses led people through the wilderness, but that is exactly what JWs translate the organization as today.  There are sly connections made of the GB to Moses. What blasphemy.   In comments such as, “come to Jehovah’s organization for salvation”, or ‘when the slave passes decrees, these decrees come from Jehovah and must be obeyed’…we see idolatry in its most blasphemous form.  We have God's decrees already written down.  Are we to add to the Bible?  The only “organization” now, is through the Body of Christ – it is not a physical apparition built on a mountain that JWs expect their studies to stream to.  (John 4:21-24; Acts 7:47-51; 17:24-27; 1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22) 
    Satan has one last shot of wiping out God’s holy people. (Rev chapter 12)  It took something “different” to turn "Israel's" hearts from God this time, to lead them into serving an idol that promises salvation.  It has been well manipulated and developed over the years, becoming a sinful inclination to admire and love  - the “Beast” that “makes war with the saints”. (Dan 7:23; 8:10; Rev 11:12; 13:7)  God has allowed this test to fall upon them. (Luke 22:31,32)  This is the essence of the Great Tribulation and the divisive war of Armageddon.  (Joel 3:14)
    Have you ever wondered why the leadership repeatedly warns of the GT positioned on the doorstep, but no matter what devastation may occur in the world, they still haven’t laid down that card?  What’s stopping them?  How many JWs have died from covid? How many are in prison, some for many years? How many earthquakes and natural disasters, uprising in the governments, will it take for them to say, “it’s here”?  Do they know something that JWs don’t - that the GT is really about the saints (“kings of the earth” Rev 1:5) conquered by their lies?  (Rev 16:13-16)  And that the "signs" are not literal but spiritual?  (Luke 8:10; 17:20,21)
    “Woe to you who long for the day of the Lord!
    What will the day of the Lord be for you?
    It will be darkness and not light.
    19 It will be like a man who flees from a lion
    only to have a bear confront him.
    He goes home and rests his hand against the wall
    only to have a snake bite him.
    20 Won’t the day of the Lord
    be darkness rather than light,
    even gloom without any brightness in it?”  Amos 5:18-20
    Darkness represents Satan’s deceit, leading to death.  “Light” represents Christ and his truths, leading to eternal life. 
    Matt 4:16; John 1:5; 8:12; Col 1:13; 1 Pet 2:9; 2 Cor 6:14; Eph 5:14…etc.
    The true shepherds, chosen by God through anointing, (Isa 43:10; 1 Pet 2:5,9; Eph 2:20-22) have put their trust in nobles instead of Jesus Christ and God to lead them.  They have neglected their role to teach the people His laws.(Mal 2:7; Heb 8:10) “Israel” is oppressed by men – again! (Jer 50:33; Col 2:8; Rev 13:10) They can continue to languish behind Wt’s walls of darkness, allowing men to rule over them; or, as Revelation shows, they turn to Jesus Christ for freedom and truth. (Rev 3:18)  Any JW can and should, do the same.  (Rev 18:4-8; Matt 24:15,16)
    “Happy is the one whose help is the God of Jacob,
    whose hope is in the Lord his God”  Ps 146:5
    Although elders are believed to be God’s shepherds, they are in fact only herders, hired to keep “Israel” surrounded with the GB’s falsehoods and oppressive rules. (Rev 9:1-5;13:11,12; 20:7-10)   Even dogs can herd sheep, and follow the commands of their master.  (John 10:7-13; Matt 24:48-51; Rev 9:1-5; 13:11,12,8; 17:8; 22:15; Matt 6:24)
    You seem to be a kind man, but your position as an elder ruling over/”sitting” in the spiritual Temple of God is a very dangerous one to be in.  (1 Cor 3:16,17; Rev 13:5-7; 22:10-14)  The “man of lawlessness” sitting in the Temple of God, is the exalted heartbeat of the fourth “beast”/organization – and you, as an elder, contribute to that heartbeat.  (Mark 13:14; 2 Thess 2:1-4,8,9-12)
     
    I apologize if there are mistakes in scripture
    EDITED
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in WATCHTOWER, 1991 - "HOW TO CHOOSE THE RIGHT RELIGION"   
    I don't believe I "assume" that nobody else was.  Perhaps if we were in the congregation together, you would understand the picture more fully.  🙂 That was only one of other congregations that I have been in.  Each had their prejudices and hypocrisy.  An elder with a beard in the 80's and 90's may add to your perspective. The burdens put upon him were quite large, while also raising a family; as well as the aspect that he didn't "fit in",  was also a burden.  Can you imagine how visitors who were servants may have criticized the congregation because of my husband's presence?  I witnessed it at a circuit assembly once.  An elder made the point to seek him out, point his finger and say, you will never give a talk in "my hall".  
    Men and their power!
    This first congregation scaled down to a total of two elders; my husband and one other. I am not sure how many servants there were, but only one was in charge of the week's service meetings.
       
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in WATCHTOWER, 1991 - "HOW TO CHOOSE THE RIGHT RELIGION"   
    How did Jesus allow himself to be "wronged"?  I'm not sure I understand what you are meaning. 
    When it comes to false teachings, did Jesus and the apostles turn the other cheek?  Didn't the apostles make it known who they were? Didn't Jesus make it known that he is the Son of God?  On the other hand, how often do you hear the words, "faithful and discreet slave", or "faithful slave" and KNOW who these titles refer to?  Did Jesus already tell them they are "faithful and discreet"? (Matt 25:21)   Or, do they just assume through their arrogance that they ARE indeed, faithful?   Being humble before God and Christ, doesn't mean caving in to the rules and regulations of men, who say be humble, before THEM!
    "For am I now trying to persuade people, or God? Or am I striving to please people? If I were still trying to please people, I would not be a servant of Christ."  Gal 1:10
    Anointed can use the very avenue that the organization uses to "teach" - the internet.  Is there a rule set by Christ that says they cannot go online and preach about Him, and the authentic "good news" of the restoration of Jacob?  (Isa 43:1; Joel chapter 3; Mal 1:6; 3:1-4,12; 2:4; Isa 61:9; Luke 1:16,17; Matt 17:11; Rev 11:1-6; Zech 4:11-14; Rev 5:9,10; Gen 22:18)
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in WATCHTOWER, 1991 - "HOW TO CHOOSE THE RIGHT RELIGION"   
    Oh. I just read that it was you who said that.   I should have known.  
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in WATCHTOWER, 1991 - "HOW TO CHOOSE THE RIGHT RELIGION"   
    Oh my goodness.   Perhaps if you had been there, you might have noticed the prejudice - I say, might.
    #1 The sisters decided to arrange themselves, reaching out to others (sisters)  to help them…before showing up for the service meeting.  
    #2 – As a good elder’s wife, I eventually told my husband who was the service overseer, that it was a repetitive problem during the week. From what I remember, he said he would address it.  
    Does that answer your question?
    Can you please tell me where I have stated that I, personally, was cheated out of my anointed status?   You should be concerned about the cheating of all the anointed out of their status as God's priests in the organization.  I am so glad I am not part of the organization, and no I would never go back to make sure I wasn't "cheated" out of my anointed status. 
    You have chosen to remain in the dark about "Israel".  
    Someone here said the anointed are not to rule until the Kingdom arrives.  I'm just attaching my comment here.  
    1 Pet 2:5,9 - As you come to him, a living stone—rejected by people but chosen and honored by God— 5 you yourselves, as living stones, a spiritual house, are being built to be a holy priesthood to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.
     But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his possession, so that you may proclaim the praises of the one who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light. 
    This is written in the present tense.  The apostles set the standard for God's priests to follow while on earth.   But since the Wt has developed, Jesus must call God's priests OUT OF DARKNESS, now.  (Rev 3:18; 2:14,15,20,21;18:4-8)  If they remain faithful to Jesus, they will "proclaim praises" about God and Christ.  Those who have left, fully understand the darkness that you choose to live under.  There is no possibility of God's priests to act upon the posted scriptures while under the rulership of a wicked slave. 
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in WATCHTOWER, 1991 - "HOW TO CHOOSE THE RIGHT RELIGION"   
    How did Jesus allow himself to be "wronged"?  I'm not sure I understand what you are meaning. 
    When it comes to false teachings, did Jesus and the apostles turn the other cheek?  Didn't the apostles make it known who they were? Didn't Jesus make it known that he is the Son of God?  On the other hand, how often do you hear the words, "faithful and discreet slave", or "faithful slave" and KNOW who these titles refer to?  Did Jesus already tell them they are "faithful and discreet"? (Matt 25:21)   Or, do they just assume through their arrogance that they ARE indeed, faithful?   Being humble before God and Christ, doesn't mean caving in to the rules and regulations of men, who say be humble, before THEM!
    "For am I now trying to persuade people, or God? Or am I striving to please people? If I were still trying to please people, I would not be a servant of Christ."  Gal 1:10
    Anointed can use the very avenue that the organization uses to "teach" - the internet.  Is there a rule set by Christ that says they cannot go online and preach about Him, and the authentic "good news" of the restoration of Jacob?  (Isa 43:1; Joel chapter 3; Mal 1:6; 3:1-4,12; 2:4; Isa 61:9; Luke 1:16,17; Matt 17:11; Rev 11:1-6; Zech 4:11-14; Rev 5:9,10; Gen 22:18)
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in WATCHTOWER, 1991 - "HOW TO CHOOSE THE RIGHT RELIGION"   
    Oh. I just read that it was you who said that.   I should have known.  
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in WATCHTOWER, 1991 - "HOW TO CHOOSE THE RIGHT RELIGION"   
    Oh my goodness.   Perhaps if you had been there, you might have noticed the prejudice - I say, might.
    #1 The sisters decided to arrange themselves, reaching out to others (sisters)  to help them…before showing up for the service meeting.  
    #2 – As a good elder’s wife, I eventually told my husband who was the service overseer, that it was a repetitive problem during the week. From what I remember, he said he would address it.  
    Does that answer your question?
    Can you please tell me where I have stated that I, personally, was cheated out of my anointed status?   You should be concerned about the cheating of all the anointed out of their status as God's priests in the organization.  I am so glad I am not part of the organization, and no I would never go back to make sure I wasn't "cheated" out of my anointed status. 
    You have chosen to remain in the dark about "Israel".  
    Someone here said the anointed are not to rule until the Kingdom arrives.  I'm just attaching my comment here.  
    1 Pet 2:5,9 - As you come to him, a living stone—rejected by people but chosen and honored by God— 5 you yourselves, as living stones, a spiritual house, are being built to be a holy priesthood to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.
     But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his possession, so that you may proclaim the praises of the one who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light. 
    This is written in the present tense.  The apostles set the standard for God's priests to follow while on earth.   But since the Wt has developed, Jesus must call God's priests OUT OF DARKNESS, now.  (Rev 3:18; 2:14,15,20,21;18:4-8)  If they remain faithful to Jesus, they will "proclaim praises" about God and Christ.  Those who have left, fully understand the darkness that you choose to live under.  There is no possibility of God's priests to act upon the posted scriptures while under the rulership of a wicked slave. 
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in WATCHTOWER, 1991 - "HOW TO CHOOSE THE RIGHT RELIGION"   
    Is there any clear and "theocratic" foundation about number of FDS or number of GB or number of Helpers? Just for the sake of discussion. :))
    12 apostles need "replacement" for 1 they lost. I mean, they can worked with 11 just fine, didn't they? What is the minimum number of GB members to be Legitimate, according to the Company Charter, according to the Companies Act (secular law), to the Bible, to Jesus, etc.?
    And yes, @4Jah2me remarked excellently on the details of who should choose the "leadership." Supposedly, Jesus chose GB in 1919. So "we" would expect how Jesus have to pick the person for task of "feeding", not GB members. They (GB) can make choice about elders in conversation with CO. :))
     
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    Witness reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in WATCHTOWER, 1991 - "HOW TO CHOOSE THE RIGHT RELIGION"   
    Show us proof of this please.  Witness is concerned for the welfare of the Anointed ones. You, it seems, are not.
    You seem to be such a 'physical man' that you seem to lack any feeling for the Anointed as spiritual ones. 
    They physically gather together because the GB are mostly Americans and all in America.
    The difference being that they will be replaced by ones of God's choosing through Christ.  You still keep looking at men choosing men. Still so physical. Wake up, think in a spiritual way. God and Christ are not physical.... 
    Um, let me think now. Who is ruling now ? Oh yes, the GB, who say they are Anointed. Those 8 men that say they are the ONLY Faithful and Discreet Slave. Those 8 men that say that 'God and Christ trusts them, so the whole JW congregation should trust them'.   Yes that's who's ruling now. 
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    Witness reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in WATCHTOWER, 1991 - "HOW TO CHOOSE THE RIGHT RELIGION"   
    It is sad to see how so many JWs have been brainwashed by the GB through the Watchtower magazine and through the talks / videos etc. 
    If you don't want to believe in the scripture at Zechariah 8:23 that is your choice. 
    This is what the LORD Almighty says: "In those days ten people from all languages and nations will take firm hold of one Jew by the hem of his robe and say, 'Let us go with you, because we have heard that God is with you.'"
    The True Anointed ones are that JEW.    Each of you must choose whom you will 'go with'. 
    Yes, we serve God through Christ, but God is here showing that there IS a JEW, a True Anointed, to go with. How will you know that JEW if you do not inquire ? 
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    Witness reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in WATCHTOWER, 1991 - "HOW TO CHOOSE THE RIGHT RELIGION"   
    There is a massive difference between GOD'S instructions, and the instructions from your GB. But JWs think both are the same. 
     
     
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    Witness reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in WATCHTOWER, 1991 - "HOW TO CHOOSE THE RIGHT RELIGION"   
    Yes indeed Anna.  But isn't it strange that as we are nearer to Armageddon and we need to be more united, the GB place more restrictions on the Anointed ones, and more restrictions on anyone asking the Anointed ones questions.
    Why would the GB do that ? 
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in WATCHTOWER, 1991 - "HOW TO CHOOSE THE RIGHT RELIGION"   
    It turns out that the only important thing is to recognize those on JWTV who are set to teach the lessons.  
    The job of the Administration is to silence any objection to their work, and to eliminate possible "competitors".
    Yes, people can do that, surely. Perhaps is better to "taste" their deeds and words before we unconditionally (or conditionally) accept them as "distributors of spiritual food". 
    Now one more thing. And when you accept them, it is not for eternity. Because anyone can go the wrong way, so it would be good not to follow him when we realize something is wrong.
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    Witness got a reaction from xero in WATCHTOWER, 1991 - "HOW TO CHOOSE THE RIGHT RELIGION"   
    Oh. I just read that it was you who said that.   I should have known.  
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    Witness got a reaction from César Chávez in DF'ed for gluttony?   
    I tuned into the annual meeting.🙂
     
    Obviously, from the looks of one of them, his obesity - yes - stems from too much alcohol.  
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