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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in WATCHTOWER, 1991 - "HOW TO CHOOSE THE RIGHT RELIGION"   
    I remember I asked an anointed brother once, how he knew he was anointed.  This allowed him to share his feelings and his desires to serve Christ.  There is nothing wrong with this, but it is exactly what your leaders are telling JWs not to do.  
    Do you think, under this circumstance, that all anointed are going speak up and say, yes I am anointed?  Or, is there a huge possibility that many refuse to even partake, for fear of being judged as fakes, or mentally imbalanced?  Take those words, mentally imbalanced.  Since the organization stresses that there is a large possibility that anointed are not authentic because of this, don’t you think that many JWs will give someone a wide berth if they heard the person was anointed - thanks to the lies said about them?
    The best safety measure then, is to leave them alone.  Don't ask them questions, especially what they may think about the teachings of the GB.  This is the message the GB is projecting.  Of course, the anointed are also told not to gather together to study the Bible.   Your leaders who receive "special treatment" tell JWs not to give this to any anointed one.  Why?  They will have a hard time remaining humble, as if those arrogant men have insight into the hearts of Christ's servants.
    w16 January p. 24
     
    Christ's word tell us how to treat anointed ones.  We should seek them out and learn from them, for they are the priests of God.  (Mal 2:7; 1 Pet 2:5,9) 
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in WATCHTOWER, 1991 - "HOW TO CHOOSE THE RIGHT RELIGION"   
    Whether someone is anointed or not, it concerns everyone.  These words of the GB are twisted, as usual.  The believers in the first century were well aware of those who were anointed.  Should it now stop knowing who they are?  And why?  Eight men hold power over all, that is why.  This is opinionated persuasion of men who have a devious underlying reason, for teaching JWs to avoid the anointed.  It is only to preserve their dominance.  Why do men’s opinions become law, with no backing of God’s Word?  Why don't JWs put Christ's teaching before the laws, decrees of men?
    This is what Christ says:
    John 13:20 - Truly I tell you, whoever receives anyone I send receives me, and the one who receives me receives him who sent me."
    This shows, that avoiding any who claim to be anointed, as the WT stresses, could possibly result in rejecting not only Jesus Christ, but the Father.  This means knowing what is in their spiritual heart.  What gift have they received?  How can they contribute to the Body?  (1 Cor 12)
    Matt 10:40,41 - "The one who welcomes you welcomes me, and the one who welcomes me welcomes him who sent me. 41 "Anyone who welcomes a prophet because he is a prophet will receive a prophet's reward. And anyone who welcomes a righteous person because he's righteous will receive a righteous person's reward.”
    Matt 10:14,15 - "If anyone does not welcome you or listen to your words, shake the dust off your feet when you leave that house or town. 15 "Truly I tell you, it will be more tolerable on the day of judgment for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah than for that town.
    So, the Wt wants the anointed to remain anonymous.   What if, within that group of anointed, there is a prophet, or a "righteous person"?  How will JWs react when Jesus asks, "why did you reject me"?  (Matt 10:42)  Why did you choose to listen to a false prophet instead of whom I sent?  (Matt 7:15-20)
    Matt 10:24,25 - "A disciple is not above his teacher, or a slave above his master. 25 "It is enough for a disciple to become like his teacher and a slave like his master. If they called the head of the house 'Beelzebul,' how much more the members of his household!” 
    In the case of Ray Franz who spoke up against the leadership, he was disfellowshipped for following God’s Word instead the governing body, and for exposing their lies.  He was labeled an apostate, which in reality was an act of sinning against the Holy Spirit committed by the leadership.  Whose side did the majority of JWs take?  Did they say he had an evil spirit for speaking against the GB?   Most likely.   
    So most of the anointed have chosen to remain anonymous as they are told, for fear of being called into the back room?  Whatever the Spirit of truth placed in the heart is not used, since they cannot act upon who they are - as someone Jesus sent to reveal truth. (1 John 2:20; Mal 2:7)
    John 15:5-8 - "I am the vine; you are the branches. The one who remains in me and I in him produces much fruit, because you can do nothing without me. 6 If anyone does not remain in me, he is thrown aside like a branch and he withers. They gather them, throw them into the fire, and they are burned. 7 If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you want and it will be done for you. 8 My Father is glorified by this: that you produce much fruit and prove to be my disciples."
    How can they prove to be disciples of Christ, if the anointed are told to reject any questions about who they are?  They are not producing "fruit", but selling what a false prophet has produced.  
    There is always irony coming out of the GB's mouth.  In the annual meeting,  K. Cook mentioned the anointed, how all of JWs must take into account how they treat those in Christ.  He stated Jesus will judge us by how we accept them.  (Matt 10:42) Now, according the above quote, can anyone really "accept" the anointed if no one can inquire about their anointing, or how they feel about truth?   Oh, he also said the way to support them, is through the "preaching work". There you go, that is safe.  No possible challenge can be made against either the GB or the elder body.  We know that this work is regulated spiritual food, already dished out without any of the anointed taking part, except those of the wicked slave.   (Matt 24:48-51; Rev 13:11,12,16)
    In the harvest, we are "sorted" by the teachings we choose.  
    "Dear Friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see if they are from God, because many false prophets have gone into the world".   1 John 4:1`
     
    Thank you, Srecko!
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in WATCHTOWER, 1991 - "HOW TO CHOOSE THE RIGHT RELIGION"   
    Whether someone is anointed or not, it concerns everyone.  These words of the GB are twisted, as usual.  The believers in the first century were well aware of those who were anointed.  Should it now stop knowing who they are?  And why?  Eight men hold power over all, that is why.  This is opinionated persuasion of men who have a devious underlying reason, for teaching JWs to avoid the anointed.  It is only to preserve their dominance.  Why do men’s opinions become law, with no backing of God’s Word?  Why don't JWs put Christ's teaching before the laws, decrees of men?
    This is what Christ says:
    John 13:20 - Truly I tell you, whoever receives anyone I send receives me, and the one who receives me receives him who sent me."
    This shows, that avoiding any who claim to be anointed, as the WT stresses, could possibly result in rejecting not only Jesus Christ, but the Father.  This means knowing what is in their spiritual heart.  What gift have they received?  How can they contribute to the Body?  (1 Cor 12)
    Matt 10:40,41 - "The one who welcomes you welcomes me, and the one who welcomes me welcomes him who sent me. 41 "Anyone who welcomes a prophet because he is a prophet will receive a prophet's reward. And anyone who welcomes a righteous person because he's righteous will receive a righteous person's reward.”
    Matt 10:14,15 - "If anyone does not welcome you or listen to your words, shake the dust off your feet when you leave that house or town. 15 "Truly I tell you, it will be more tolerable on the day of judgment for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah than for that town.
    So, the Wt wants the anointed to remain anonymous.   What if, within that group of anointed, there is a prophet, or a "righteous person"?  How will JWs react when Jesus asks, "why did you reject me"?  (Matt 10:42)  Why did you choose to listen to a false prophet instead of whom I sent?  (Matt 7:15-20)
    Matt 10:24,25 - "A disciple is not above his teacher, or a slave above his master. 25 "It is enough for a disciple to become like his teacher and a slave like his master. If they called the head of the house 'Beelzebul,' how much more the members of his household!” 
    In the case of Ray Franz who spoke up against the leadership, he was disfellowshipped for following God’s Word instead the governing body, and for exposing their lies.  He was labeled an apostate, which in reality was an act of sinning against the Holy Spirit committed by the leadership.  Whose side did the majority of JWs take?  Did they say he had an evil spirit for speaking against the GB?   Most likely.   
    So most of the anointed have chosen to remain anonymous as they are told, for fear of being called into the back room?  Whatever the Spirit of truth placed in the heart is not used, since they cannot act upon who they are - as someone Jesus sent to reveal truth. (1 John 2:20; Mal 2:7)
    John 15:5-8 - "I am the vine; you are the branches. The one who remains in me and I in him produces much fruit, because you can do nothing without me. 6 If anyone does not remain in me, he is thrown aside like a branch and he withers. They gather them, throw them into the fire, and they are burned. 7 If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you want and it will be done for you. 8 My Father is glorified by this: that you produce much fruit and prove to be my disciples."
    How can they prove to be disciples of Christ, if the anointed are told to reject any questions about who they are?  They are not producing "fruit", but selling what a false prophet has produced.  
    There is always irony coming out of the GB's mouth.  In the annual meeting,  K. Cook mentioned the anointed, how all of JWs must take into account how they treat those in Christ.  He stated Jesus will judge us by how we accept them.  (Matt 10:42) Now, according the above quote, can anyone really "accept" the anointed if no one can inquire about their anointing, or how they feel about truth?   Oh, he also said the way to support them, is through the "preaching work". There you go, that is safe.  No possible challenge can be made against either the GB or the elder body.  We know that this work is regulated spiritual food, already dished out without any of the anointed taking part, except those of the wicked slave.   (Matt 24:48-51; Rev 13:11,12,16)
    In the harvest, we are "sorted" by the teachings we choose.  
    "Dear Friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see if they are from God, because many false prophets have gone into the world".   1 John 4:1`
     
    Thank you, Srecko!
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from César Chávez in DF'ed for gluttony?   
    I tuned into the annual meeting.🙂
     
    Obviously, from the looks of one of them, his obesity - yes - stems from too much alcohol.  
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in DF'ed for gluttony?   
    I don't suppose you have taken a good look at the governing body lately? Surely you've noticed a growth spurt among a few, such as A. Morris, G. Jackson, M. Sanderson, with K. Cook and G. Loesch not far behind.  Wow. that's 5 out of 8.  
    Or, are they not considered part of the "brothers and sisters" who are "giving a bad witness"?
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Is Zoom satanic and pagan?   
    I'm sure @Matthew9969 is bringing the subject up because of past teachings of the organization - basically, that the internet is a dangerous place, stay away from social platforms, etc.  Now as is the usual practice of hypocrisy,  the organization has embraced it, and the internet is the place to go for spiritual "food".  What is the distinction from all other religions?  A zoom meeting with a password?  Does that virtual meeting place become "Jehovah's House"?  
    Your scripture cannot apply in this case, but it does apply to those who bend to the fallacious rules and regulations of men, and not to those of God.   
    "To the pure all things are pure, but to those who are defiled and unbelieving nothing is pure, but both their mind and conscience are defiled. 16 They profess to know God, but by their deeds they deny him, because they are detestable and disobedient, and unfit for every good deed."  Titus 1:15,16
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in WATCHTOWER, 1991 - "HOW TO CHOOSE THE RIGHT RELIGION"   
    Well, you asked, so here it goes.
    My experience was more negative than positive, but I held on for over 30 years.  I could not reconcile the hypocrisy that my elder husband had to deal with, I couldn’t reconcile with the clicks, the pressure of privileges and esteem based on works, the blatant stupidity of elder shepherds who ignored single mothers, widows, and women with children. Many times meeting for service, and elder would put two mothers and their children together in one group, while the elders buddied up with single sisters. My husband did his best to be a good elder; he was preferred by those in the congregation for shepherding calls.  He was known as a humble man, who didn’t care if his shoes were polished, or that he wore a blue shirt with a tie that didn’t match. He didn't conform to the elders' set of rules, and finally left them to their hypocrisy.   My sons were chided by individuals in the congregation for wearing colorful shirts - they should have been white.  Absolute stupidity. One son quit college because an elder told him he should be ashamed for choosing college over pioneering.    Everything that the organization expects is outward perfection, which mirrors the pharisaical leadership of Jesus' day.  The heart of this organization is full of sin.  
    I couldn’t reconcile with the excuses that the leadership gave for their membership as an NGO in the UN. Today, they are still NGOs in other countries.  Their hypocrisy is commonplace, when there was a day that this was considered being "part of the world".   They work right along with the governments they say will be destroyed. They invest heavily, while expecting their members to live in poverty.  They hide their child abuse problem, sweeping their false prophesies under the rug…and the shunning, the disfellowshipping.  I would hope that a disfellowshipped one would choose to sit by us during a meeting,  just so I could give that person a reassuring smile of love.  It is not a loving provision to treat one as "dead".  This is evil.
    JWs live as naively as possible, closing their heart and minds to the sin that is all around them.  This can only occur through demonic intervention.  (2 Cor 11:3,4; Rev 18:4-8)
    I wanted to understand the anointed Body of Christ.  Before I came to realize what “Armageddon” is really about, I wanted to gather them together, and care for their physical needs. Before my husband died this last August, we had owned a large piece of property where together with our sons, built a small solar house over many years.   There, I thought, I had enough room to allow them a safe haven during WT’s physical teaching of the Great Tribulation/Armageddon. (Joel 3:14-16; Rev 16:13-16)  I knew this Body was important, but now I truly understand that the Kingdom will not arrive until the last faithful anointed is sealed. (Zech 4:8,9)  JWs don't see this, they believe their organization will bring them safely into the "paradise".  But God has another plan for the mountain of sin. (Rev 8:8)
     I realize that the majority of the anointed inside will not gather, for fear of losing the life they have, under a dual power lording it over them. (Matt 10:39) Or, they love unrighteousness, over truth. (2 Thess 2:9-12)   They are held spiritually captive, and they are too weak to fight it. (1 Tim 4:1; Col 2:8; Rev 13:10)  They will not gather as one body under Christ, while the elders must gather, as their Head the GB, expects them to.  Surely, you see the hypocrisy.
    The "camp of the saints" is surrounded.  This will not occur a thousand literal years after Armageddon, since those saints will be ruling with Christ then.  It is happening NOW...in the organization - Satan's magnum opus to destroy those in Christ, with a flood of lies.   (Rev 12:1,2,13,15-17; 16:13-16; 20:7-10)
    My beliefs are written in many places here.  Isa chapter 2 speaks of Mount Zion rising, and those who put trust in a false “mountain” will see it become level ground. (Zech 4:7)    This is the time of “small beginnings”. (Rev 4:10; Amos 7:5) It didn't happen when Russell came on the scene teaching that the Great Pyramid was God's stone witness.  It didn't happen with Rutherford, who was imprisoned for a book filled with strange fables, that the clergy and the government were up in arms about.  It has happened because the elder body has risen from the ground up, and now is granted total power over God's saints.  (Joel 2:1,2; Dan 11:36; Rev 13:5-7; 9:3,4)   Anointed “kings of the earth” have gathered, (Rev 1:5; 5:9,10) and many with them, and they are teaching truth outside of the WT.  The Marriage Feast does not come after Armageddon, it begins with the unveiling of Revelation.  (Rev 1:1,11:1-3; Matt 17:11; Mal :1-3,18; Rev 3:18) This understanding is reaching around the world. Those leaving the “apostate city” are invited, since many who were expected, refuse to attend.  (Matt 22:1-10; 25:6-10)
     
    YHVH's Genuine Mountain
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in "WITNESSING" AT THE CART   
    I am presently on a road trip, camping in parts of the western states of the U.S.  I guess it could be called a therapeutic getaway for my husband, who will make some serious medical decisions next month.   Way out west, that could mean long stretches before finding a cell signal, but this campsite has internet and if my computer battery holds out, I may have a chance to get this posted.
    I happened to speak briefly to three JW women who had set up their cart and table in a national park.  It was a frigid morning after a snowfall, the temperature inching from a bright and early 6 degrees above zero, toward 20 degrees in the sunshine.  After a pleasant interchange, I mentioned 1 Cor 3:16,17 and that through my studies I have learned that the anointed were the “living stones” of the Temple of God. (1 Pet 2:5,9)   I then cited 2 Thess 2:3,4, and asked if they had considered how the “man of lawlessness” in the last days, would “sit”/rule over the temple – over the anointed ones.  One JW reached for her computer pad to do a bit of research.  She admitted it would be through a composite entity, but couldn’t give me an identity. 
    Yes, I did tell her that the man of lawlessness is the elder body, who has been given authority to judge God’s “special possession” as unworthy of receiving eternal life. (Rev 11:1,2; 13: 5-7,15) Immediately, I am told, “Jehovah is the ultimate judge”, despite the judgment of a spiritual “death” made by the elder body when one rejects the organization, or exposes its leaders’ lies.   (Matt 10:17,18; John 16:2; Rev 13:15)  I have noticed that it seems to be a common phrase among JWs that God is the judge, while they forget that Jesus has been given authority to judge.  Elders, not anointed, have no authority to do so. (John 8:51; 2 Cor 5:10; Rom 14:4) 
     As we spoke a bit more, I was thinking how very depressing it is to see their devotion to the organization and their full blindness to the role of God’s priesthood. (Rom 1:25; Rev 13:4) (Mal 2:7) The organization’s false doctrines, have a common thread that can’t be dismissed if one cares to scrutinize them.  They all weave together to minimize and suppress the identity and role of the anointed. When I asked the JWs who they believed should be the shepherds of the congregations, the elders or the anointed ones, the answer was most definitely, the elders.   I reminded them of the time Jesus appeared to his disciples after his resurrection.  He called to them from the shore when they were fishing on the Sea of Tiberias.  He miraculously filled their nets with fish after catching none during the night.  When they arrived on shore, he had prepared a breakfast of fish and bread.  Three times Jesus told Simon Peter to “tend my sheep”, “feed my sheep”. (John 21:1-19; 1 Pet 5:2-4) With Christ as the chief cornerstone of God’s Temple, and the apostles and prophets as its foundation, the additional anointed “living stones” over the years, have been given the same assignment as Simon Peter and the others received that day, to feed Christ’s sheep.  Eph 2:19-22 
    The JWs just shook their heads and silently scoffed.  Revelation’s Beasts have successfully “trampled” any evidence of the important role of God’s priests, before the eyes of those who love the organization. (Dan 11:31,32,36; Matt 24:15,16)  They believe the anointed will not act as God’s priests and kings until a future time…once sealed and joining the “144,000” in heaven. This is another false doctrine, according to God’s word.  2 Cor 1:22; Eph 1:13; Heb 12:22; Rev 5:9,10)
    As Dan 11:36 states, and with the help of a false prophet (Rev 13:11,12), the “man of lawlessness”/Beast from the Sea has done…
    “…exactly as he pleases, claiming to be greater than every god there is, even blaspheming the God of gods, and prospering…” 
    I think all of us are aware of just how easy it is to be captivated by lies.  We are also aware that believing in lies can result in one’s slavery to them. (Rom 6:16)  When we are taken “captive” by lies, it facilitates oppression born from a belief of what we erroneously accept as truth. (Col 2:8; 2 Thess 2:9,10; Rev 13:10) Our heart becomes hardened to any possibility of an alternative understanding of God’s word.  (Mark 8:17; Heb 4:7) 
    The conversation quickly concluded, and I walked away from these three lovely women, who were vocally content and at peace with their belief, that the layout of headship grafted on paper depicting their earthly organization, is correct. (1 Thess 5:3) It begins with “Jehovah”, to Jesus, the elders, and the rest of its members. God’s priests remain anonymous; scattered among them, and at the same time “surrounded” and held fast by demonic expressions used against them. (Jer 23:2; 50:17; Rev 16:13,14; 20:7-9) 
    Through the coming of “Elijah” sent by Christ (Matt 17:11), the words that Jesus read from Isa 61:1,2 apply again today:
    The Spirit of the Lord is on me,
    because he has anointed me
    to preach good news to the poor.
    He has sent me
    to proclaim release to the captives
    and recovery of sight to the blind,
    to set free the oppressed,
    19 to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.
    20 He then rolled up the scroll, gave it back to the attendant, and sat down. And the eyes of everyone in the synagogue were fixed on him. 21 He began by saying to them, “Today as you listen, this Scripture has been fulfilled.”  Luke 4:18-21
    Yes, it has been fulfilled, a second time for those hearts that long for freedom from oppression and lies.   
     
    For consideration:
    “Who are the gods?”
    “Two Witnesses/”Elijah” and “Moses”
    “Elijah Turns Hearts”
    Pearl Doxsey, 4womaninthewilderness blogspot
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in A "MODERN DAY VERSION OF IDOLATRY" (wt 90/11/1 p. 26)   
    And that's only what the rank and file sees.  What happens beyond that level. 
    Jesus and the apostles are our example in the "preaching work".    Everything that the organization expects is so foreign to their example.  But as we know, JWs accept it as necessary to get the work done.  Where is the faith in God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit?  They accomplish some goal they may have set; organize it, gather the money and the people to go for it, to build it, and then when finished it is proclaimed that God made it happen. 
    What? 
    When the golden calf was created at the desire of men, God wasn't involved.  There is no difference with the organization's 'marvelous' accomplishments.  
     
     
     

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    Witness reacted to xero in WATCHTOWER, 1991 - "HOW TO CHOOSE THE RIGHT RELIGION"   
    You're absolutely right about the hypocrisy. It's all there. The cowardly behavior of some too. I understand too that some are closing their eyes to the deficiencies of yet another organization. I don't fault them for being human. I think of the parents of the man born blind who was healed, but for fear of getting kicked out of the  congregation failed to put their faith in Jesus, the one who healed their son. I don't fault those leaving because of any pain they've suffered at the hands of those they'd come to trust. So many have left and some have stayed. To me this is all in fulfillment of prophesy as well. To me it's all wheat and weeds until the end. There won't be any perfect organization now any more than there was in the 1st century. People can choose to stay or choose to leave and there's pain either way. The pain comes always when people put their trusts in nobles, the son of earthing man to whom no salvation belongs. No one should abdicate their Christian conscience to an organization, and yet what are people to do? Worship alone? Form yet another defective church? The history of Christianity is filled with these experiments in purity, but in the end all of them are impure. One has to determine how to live as a Christian in the midst of all this and try as much as possible to focus on what is for up-building. As to what people make of various prophecies and how these are interpreted, I'm certain that we won't know w/o any doubt or force-fitting what these mean until the time these things take place. I'm so sorry you lost your husband. I do appreciate your telling these things openly.
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in A "MODERN DAY VERSION OF IDOLATRY" (wt 90/11/1 p. 26)   
    For example; the preaching service divided into categories of preachers, hourly norms, giving a monthly report.
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in A "MODERN DAY VERSION OF IDOLATRY" (wt 90/11/1 p. 26)   
    Psalm 19 below, has been on my mind lately. The identity of God’s heavenly “handiwork” (Psalm 19:1) is explained in Eph 2:4-10; 1 Cor 3:9; Luke 10:20; Matt 26:64; Heb 12:1; Rev 12:12. 
    His handiwork encompasses the Temple/House of God, found in 1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16; Eph 2:19-20. 
    These priests are to carry God’s laws eternally in their heart and on their mind. (Deut 6:6; Heb 10:16; Mal 2:7) Their loyalty is not to men and their decrees, but only to the Father, the Son and His laws in Christ. (Gal 1:10; James 1:25; Rev 5:13; Matt 5:17-20; Isa 2:1-3)
    Yet, the testimony being given now throughout the whole “earth”, is for God’s handiwork, his anointed priesthood, to turn back to His laws in Christ, and preserve their covenant with Him. (Mal 3:1-3; Heb 9:14,15; Rev 5:9,10) 
    They are to reject human decrees, authority, and dominance of the “man of lawlessness”/elder body, which presently they are subservient to in the organization. (Isa 58:1; 1 Tim 4:16; 2 Cor 10:4,5; Eph 6:17; Rev 2:14; 8:6; 14:6,7) (Matt 24:4,5,24,15,16; Mark 13:14; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1-4) 
    The anointed “saints” are held captive to a Harlot/false prophet, her elder army, and their factitious teachings. They are “marked” with the laws of an idol covered with blasphemous names – the Wild Beast from the Sea of Revelation 13. (Isa 57:20; Jer 17:5; Col 2:8; Rev 13:1,2,5-7, 10-12,16,17) 
    Although “God” is on their lips, the spirit-directed “image” projected by the organization, is worshiped. (Rev 13:4,15) 
    Besides this exalted image emanating an apparent divine power and authority (Rev 13:5), the Beast/organization is also visible, a substitute for the invisible God. (Isa 40:18) The nation of Israel was likewise guilty of committing a similar sort of idolatry. 
    “After seeking advice, the king made two golden calves. He said to the people, ‘It is too much for you to go up to Jerusalem. Here are your gods, Israel, who brought you up out of Egypt.’” 1 Kings 12:28
    Did Israel forget that YHWH brought His people out of Egypt? Did they forget the covenant that God had made with them?
    “The Lord made a covenant with Jacob’s descendants and commanded them, ‘Do not fear other gods; do not bow in worship to them; do not serve them; do not sacrifice to them. 36 Instead fear the Lord, who brought you up from the land of Egypt with great power and an outstretched arm. You are to bow down to Him, and you are to sacrifice to Him. 37 You are to be careful always to observe the statutes, the ordinances, the law, and the commandments He wrote for you; do not fear other gods. 38 Do not forget the covenant that I have made with you. Do not fear other gods, 39 but fear the Lord your God, and he will rescue you from all your enemies.”
    40 However, these nations would not listen but continued observing their former practices. 41 They feared the Lord but also served their idols. Still today, their children and grandchildren continue doing as their ancestors did.” 2 King 17:35-41
    It was a common practice to place one’s idol statue on the back of a pedestal depicting various animals - beasts, as in the case of the Semitic goddess Asherah. The golden calves that King Jeroboam stationed at Dan and Bethel, may have been pedestals for YHWH, imitating the practice of other idolatrous worship. (1 Kings 12:29,30) The calves became the visible symbol for God, representing the invisible YHWH. Thus, the calves and YHWH merged together as the “gods” who brought Israel out of Egypt. 
    JWs will not segregate the organization from God. They believe salvation cannot be found in the Father and Christ alone. (2 Sam 22:47; Ps 27:1; Luke 1:76,77; Matt 19:25,26; John 14:6) Although exalted of its own accord, this idolatrous Beast also seems to be the visible symbol, the pedestal that represents the invisible God. 
    Just as the calves Jeroboam set in place diverted attention away from Jerusalem and the center of worship, the organization has diverted attention away from “New Jerusalem”, where worship is in “spirit and truth”. (John 14:6; John 4:14,23,24; Acts 4:11,12; Gal 4:23-26,28; Rev 21:9,2; Eph 5:23; Rev 21:22) 
    Once again, God’s people have broken their covenant with Him through the powerful and wicked influence of the Beasts of Revelation. (Eph 2:12,13; Heb 8:6,7) (Dan 11:31,32; Mark 13:14; Rev 2:4,14,16,17; Rev 12:1,2,13,15-17;16:13-16) 
    It is much easier to give worship and have faith in what one sees and witnesses through its literal works, rather than what we cannot see; or to have faith in the “works” God and Jesus accomplish within our hearts. (1 Cor 2:14; Phil 3:18,19; Rom 1:25) (Matt 7:7,8; John 11:25; 14:1) 
    Jeroboam introduced calf worship for selfish reasons, to secure his northern kingdom of Israel, and its population to stay in place. (1 Kings 12:25-27) The governing leaders have done the same. They have “secured” their kingdom, and allow no other member of “Israel” to renounce the leadership or their idol. (Matt 24:48-51) All must bow down to the Beast and its leadership, or face certain “death”. (John 16:2; Rev 13:15) 
    So the Almighty God has a competing rival created by Satan, with the purpose to tear down and crush His handiwork, by leading them into idolatry. (Matt 7:15,20; 1 Tim 4:1; 2 Thess 2:3,4;9-12; Rev 11:1-3; 1 Cor 3:16,17; 2 Cor 6:16; 1 John 5:21) 
    Is there any other organization “like” the Wt. that promotes salvation, and claims to have the breath/spirit of God directing it? (Rev 13:15; notice John 20:22) 
    “People worshiped the dragon because he had given authority to the beast, and they also worshiped the beast and asked, “Who is like the beast? Who can wage war against it?” Rev 13:4
    There is no doubt that it is perceived by JWs as a necessary awe-inspiring “way” to receive eternal life. It is a form of idolatry that has its roots in ancient times, yet modernized and disguised so brilliantly, that only with the help of God and Christ can any of us who thirst for truth, “see” it for what it is. The Beast is the idol of the most devious, crafty development planned, to mislead God’s holy people and those with them…to their destruction. (Joel 2:12; John 8:12; Rev 3:18) (Rev 13:8; 14:9-12) 
    Who among the gods
    is like You, Lord?
    Who is like You—
    majestic in holiness,
    awesome in glory,
    working wonders? Exod 15:11
    “You shall not make anything to be with Me (“alongside Me”/”gods to share with Me”)—gods of silver or gods of gold you shall not make for yourselves.” Exod 20:23
    The organization boasts that it follows the laws of God through Jesus Christ, while slyly slipping in men’s laws and decisions. It declares that “God’s organization” has established these decrees through its governing leaders. (Mark 7:7,8; John 12:48,49) Truly, this is only to ensure the operating efficiency of an earthly organization; and for its captives to continue bearing the mark of the beast. (Matt 6:19; Rev 3:17,18; Prov 10:2) (Rom 6:16-18; Rev 13:16-18) 
     
    We must make certain that our service, obedience, and worship is to God alone. This is just as Jesus kept admonishing us (Matt 4:10; 22:36-38; Deut 10:12)...
    (2 Cor 13:5; 1 John 4:1; 1 Thess 5:21,22; 1 Tim 4:1; Rev 16:13-15; 13:15,8; 2 Thess 2:1-15)
    We must make certain, that everything we believe, obey, and practice, is sourced in God's word of Truth.
    Our minds, hearts, and deeds must be directed by and obedient to, God's Laws of Divine Truth.
    Only then are we marked as His slaves (1 John 2:17; Rom 6:18,22).  Pearl Doxsey
     
     
    Psalm 19
    "The heavens declare the glory of God;
    And the firmament shows His handiwork.
    2 Day unto day utters speech,
    And night unto night reveals knowledge.
    3 There is no speech nor language
    Where their voice is not heard.
    4 Their line (“sound, business”) has gone out through all the earth,
    And their words to the end of the world.
    In them He has set a tabernacle for the sun,
    5 Which is like a bridegroom coming out of his chamber,
    And rejoices like a strong man to run its race.
    6 Its rising is from one end of heaven,
    And its circuit to the other end;
    And there is nothing hidden from its heat.
    7 The law of the Lord is perfect, converting (“restoring”) the soul;
    The testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple;
    8 The statutes of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart;
    The commandment of the Lord is pure, enlightening the eyes;
    9 The fear of the Lord is clean, enduring forever;
    The judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether.
    10 More to be desired are they than gold,
    Yea, than much fine gold;
    Sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb.
    11 Moreover by them Your servant is warned,
    And in keeping them there is great reward.
    12 Who can understand his errors?
    Cleanse me from secret faults.
    13 Keep back Your servant also from presumptuous sins;
    Let them not have dominion over me.
    Then I shall be blameless,
    And I shall be innocent of great transgression.
    14 Let the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart
    Be acceptable in Your sight,
    O Lord, my strength and my Redeemer. "
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in WATCHTOWER, 1991 - "HOW TO CHOOSE THE RIGHT RELIGION"   
    Prov 27:1 – “Do not boast about tomorrow,
    For you do not know what a day may bring forth”
    And the result of “predicting”?
    Matt 24:48-51 - But if that evil servant says in his heart, ‘My master is delaying his coming,’ 49 and begins to beat his fellow servants, and to eat and drink with the drunkards, 50 the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him and at an hour that he is not aware of, 51 and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
    These “servants” are anointed slaves of Christ.  (Matt 25:21)
    How are the anointed Temple "stones", “beaten”?  Oh, it has been brought out so many times here, and not one JW who comments, takes note. 
    1 Cor 3:16,17 - "Don’t you know that you yourselves are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit dwells in your midst?  If anyone destroys God’s temple, God will destroy that person; for God’s temple is sacred, and you together are that temple."
    Is there  truly "anyone" destroying God's temple?
    "Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters, not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come.  Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction.  He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God."  2 Thess 2:1-4
    Doesn't any JW see, that the fulfillment and the warning scriptures of the end times apply directly to the anointed? 
    "Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. "
    Who is the man of lawlessness that has exalted itself over the anointed Temple?   The "evil servant" of Christ who, after so many failed predictions, gathers his army of elders who "eat and drink" what the evil servant produces.  The anointed cannot bond, they are trampled by "Gentiles" who have replaced them as God's priests.  THIS is a direct order from the evil slave. (Rev 13:1,2,5-7,11,12,15)
       
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in WATCHTOWER, 1991 - "HOW TO CHOOSE THE RIGHT RELIGION"   
    "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; 4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables."  2 Tim 4:3,4
     

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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in WATCHTOWER, 1991 - "HOW TO CHOOSE THE RIGHT RELIGION"   
    As a JW?  As an elder?  As a member of an organization that required your "dedication"?  No.
    Jesus is the only "gate".  It is a direct path.  Any other "path" is a thief that can rob us of eternal life. (John 10:7-10) The organization is not our mediator to reach the Father.  (Acts 4:11,12)
    Maybe you know this; and if you do, surely you realize that no one can serve two masters.  (Matt 6:24)  However, as an elder, you are serving the needs of an organization, and the men who guide it.  You are serving a fake Zion, while obeying the GB's orders to oppress the true "Zion"/"holy city" - the anointed priesthood.  (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2)  You have fallen into the lie that the "royal priesthood" can be "represented" by the elder body.  (2 Chron 13:9; Ezek 44:6-9)
    These members are part of the Body of Jesus Christ. (1 Cor 12)  So, whatever is committed against them, is equally committed against Jesus.  Something to think about, as a "follower" of Jesus.  (Dan 8:25; Acts 9:1-5; Rev 9:4,5; 13:5-7)
    You had said it would be difficult to worship outside of an organization.  The difficulty comes when leaving it - leaving the life you have developed, and the people who would subsequently shun you...behind.  It is like the true Christians that fled to the mountains of Judea before Jerusalem was destroyed.  They made similar sacrifices, but they were blessed abundantly. (Matt 10:39; 19:29; Luke 14:26; 12:53)
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in WATCHTOWER, 1991 - "HOW TO CHOOSE THE RIGHT RELIGION"   
    Your whole comment was nicely said.  Thank you!
    It’s not my asking for perfection, it is the desire to know the God of Truth and His Son who is Truth.  It would be dishonoring to both of them, to accept the untruths - lies -  of men. The “new light” mentality, has nothing to do with the Word of God, but everything to do with the words of uninspired men who fail to receive understanding from Christ.   He promised it to those who remain with him. (John 15:5) How many years does it take for someone to realize their spiritual leaders are not receiving the correct understanding from Christ?

    The unfolding of your words gives light;
        it gives understanding to the simple.”  Ps 119:130
    How often has the organization backtracked in the "understanding” of their own doctrine? 
    Jesus answered, “My teaching is not my own. It comes from the one who sent me. 17 Anyone who chooses to do the will of God will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own. 18 Whoever speaks on their own does so to gain personal glory, but he who seeks the glory of the one who sent him is a man of truth; there is nothing false about him.”  John 7:16-18 
     Nothing false to be found in a man of truth. Can you say that about your leadership?  
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in WATCHTOWER, 1991 - "HOW TO CHOOSE THE RIGHT RELIGION"   
    This answer really isn’t for you, since you are so stuck in your organization, and all the delight you experience because of it, that I doubt you will see any spiritual logic.(I so wish you could)  But, perhaps those who visit here, who are waking up, can relate.   Oh, I can always hope...that perhaps Anna, who sometimes walks precariously around Wt's doctrines, will some day take a side for the authentic "truth" in Christ.  (John 14:6)
    As always, JWs compare themselves, their ”spirit-directed organization”, and its failures, to other organizations, religions, and now… “science, technology medicine, relationships etc.”!
    When was the last time you  really read the Bible?  What did Jesus promise those chosen to be part of his Body, and who “remained” in him?
    Matt 7:7; 18:19,20; John 14:12-14,26; 15:5; 16:23,24; 1 John 2:20-21  
    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matt+7%3A7%3B+18%3A19%2C20%3B+John+14%3A12-14%2C26%3B+15%3A5%3B+16%3A23%2C24%3B+1+John+2%3A20-21&version=NIV
     
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    Dates, now worthless and dropped like rocks in a pond.  They were all “visions” of your leaders’ minds.  And you think God has turned a blind eye to your leaders misleading thousands with their theories?  You believe He is that flexible about unrighteous acts, which is another word for “ungodliness”?
    “Therefore, this is what the Lord of Armies says concerning the prophets:
    I am about to feed them wormwood
    and give them poisoned water to drink,
    for from the prophets of Jerusalem
    ungodliness has spread throughout the land.
    16 This is what the Lord of Armies says: “Do not listen to the words of the prophets who prophesy to you. They are deluding you. They speak visions from their own minds, not from the Lord’s mouth. 17 They keep on saying to those who despise me, ‘The Lord has spoken: You will have peace.’ They have said to everyone who follows the stubbornness of his heart, ‘No harm will come to you.’” Jer 23:15-17
    Is this why you love the organization in spite of its false teachings?  Do you believe that it is the haven of peace and security that it touts to be?  (1 Thess 5:3)
     
    Like a brush ready to be dipped in the pot, “new light” is frequently held in the hand of your leaders. (Isa 44:20)  They apply this convenient coating over the “old light”, to sustain their position and their “tower” built with walls layered with “new light” reinforcement. (Gen 11:4; Isa 2:12-17)   It is only a coverup of what lies in their hearts. God reads each heart. (Luke 6:45)  You can see what God thinks in this one Bible account of the ancient practice of applying “new light”.  In this account, it is referred to as “whitewash”.   
     “‘Therefore, this is what the Lord God says: You have spoken falsely and had lying visions; that’s why you discover that I am against you. This is the declaration of the Lord God. 9 My hand will be against the prophets who see false visions and speak lying divinations. They will not be present in the council of my people or be recorded in the register of the house of Israel, and they will not enter the land of Israel. Then you will know that I am the Lord God.
    10 “‘Since they have led my people astray by saying, “Peace,” when there is no peace, and since when a flimsy wall is being built, they plaster it with whitewash, 11 therefore, tell those plastering it with whitewash that it will fall. Torrential rain will come, and I will send hailstones plunging[a] down, and a whirlwind will be released. 12 When the wall has fallen, will you not be asked, “Where’s the whitewash (“new light”) you plastered on it?”  Ezek 13:8-12
    If JWs truly were not subservient to men, they would not be in the organization.  The elders, have immediate power to condemn anyone who may say, "I will only serve God and Christ", since these men expect immediate obedience.  And YOU are taught this. JWs will always be subservient to men only.  
    Subservient: -“ prepared to obey others unquestioningly.”
    “For example, Jehovah wants family members to obey the head of the family. (Col. 3:20) And he wants those in the congregation to obey the elders.” w21 February p. 17-18
    Do I obey the elders in my congregation and also those who care for the worldwide congregation?’ w14/9/15 p 9-14
    “How can we display our gratitude and esteem for the older men—elders, or overseers—in the congregation? ... Yes, we are to obey them and be submissive, to yield, to them.” w02 3/15 pp. 13-18
     
    “Am I now trying to win the approval of human beings, or of God? Or am I trying to please people? If I were still trying to please people, I would not be a servant of Christ.”  Gal 1:10
    There doesn't appear to be any room to obey/please/win the approval of... men, according to this scripture.  (Rom 6:16)
     
    Should We Obey Men?
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from César Chávez in A "MODERN DAY VERSION OF IDOLATRY" (wt 90/11/1 p. 26)   
    Psalm 19 below, has been on my mind lately. The identity of God’s heavenly “handiwork” (Psalm 19:1) is explained in Eph 2:4-10; 1 Cor 3:9; Luke 10:20; Matt 26:64; Heb 12:1; Rev 12:12. 
    His handiwork encompasses the Temple/House of God, found in 1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16; Eph 2:19-20. 
    These priests are to carry God’s laws eternally in their heart and on their mind. (Deut 6:6; Heb 10:16; Mal 2:7) Their loyalty is not to men and their decrees, but only to the Father, the Son and His laws in Christ. (Gal 1:10; James 1:25; Rev 5:13; Matt 5:17-20; Isa 2:1-3)
    Yet, the testimony being given now throughout the whole “earth”, is for God’s handiwork, his anointed priesthood, to turn back to His laws in Christ, and preserve their covenant with Him. (Mal 3:1-3; Heb 9:14,15; Rev 5:9,10) 
    They are to reject human decrees, authority, and dominance of the “man of lawlessness”/elder body, which presently they are subservient to in the organization. (Isa 58:1; 1 Tim 4:16; 2 Cor 10:4,5; Eph 6:17; Rev 2:14; 8:6; 14:6,7) (Matt 24:4,5,24,15,16; Mark 13:14; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1-4) 
    The anointed “saints” are held captive to a Harlot/false prophet, her elder army, and their factitious teachings. They are “marked” with the laws of an idol covered with blasphemous names – the Wild Beast from the Sea of Revelation 13. (Isa 57:20; Jer 17:5; Col 2:8; Rev 13:1,2,5-7, 10-12,16,17) 
    Although “God” is on their lips, the spirit-directed “image” projected by the organization, is worshiped. (Rev 13:4,15) 
    Besides this exalted image emanating an apparent divine power and authority (Rev 13:5), the Beast/organization is also visible, a substitute for the invisible God. (Isa 40:18) The nation of Israel was likewise guilty of committing a similar sort of idolatry. 
    “After seeking advice, the king made two golden calves. He said to the people, ‘It is too much for you to go up to Jerusalem. Here are your gods, Israel, who brought you up out of Egypt.’” 1 Kings 12:28
    Did Israel forget that YHWH brought His people out of Egypt? Did they forget the covenant that God had made with them?
    “The Lord made a covenant with Jacob’s descendants and commanded them, ‘Do not fear other gods; do not bow in worship to them; do not serve them; do not sacrifice to them. 36 Instead fear the Lord, who brought you up from the land of Egypt with great power and an outstretched arm. You are to bow down to Him, and you are to sacrifice to Him. 37 You are to be careful always to observe the statutes, the ordinances, the law, and the commandments He wrote for you; do not fear other gods. 38 Do not forget the covenant that I have made with you. Do not fear other gods, 39 but fear the Lord your God, and he will rescue you from all your enemies.”
    40 However, these nations would not listen but continued observing their former practices. 41 They feared the Lord but also served their idols. Still today, their children and grandchildren continue doing as their ancestors did.” 2 King 17:35-41
    It was a common practice to place one’s idol statue on the back of a pedestal depicting various animals - beasts, as in the case of the Semitic goddess Asherah. The golden calves that King Jeroboam stationed at Dan and Bethel, may have been pedestals for YHWH, imitating the practice of other idolatrous worship. (1 Kings 12:29,30) The calves became the visible symbol for God, representing the invisible YHWH. Thus, the calves and YHWH merged together as the “gods” who brought Israel out of Egypt. 
    JWs will not segregate the organization from God. They believe salvation cannot be found in the Father and Christ alone. (2 Sam 22:47; Ps 27:1; Luke 1:76,77; Matt 19:25,26; John 14:6) Although exalted of its own accord, this idolatrous Beast also seems to be the visible symbol, the pedestal that represents the invisible God. 
    Just as the calves Jeroboam set in place diverted attention away from Jerusalem and the center of worship, the organization has diverted attention away from “New Jerusalem”, where worship is in “spirit and truth”. (John 14:6; John 4:14,23,24; Acts 4:11,12; Gal 4:23-26,28; Rev 21:9,2; Eph 5:23; Rev 21:22) 
    Once again, God’s people have broken their covenant with Him through the powerful and wicked influence of the Beasts of Revelation. (Eph 2:12,13; Heb 8:6,7) (Dan 11:31,32; Mark 13:14; Rev 2:4,14,16,17; Rev 12:1,2,13,15-17;16:13-16) 
    It is much easier to give worship and have faith in what one sees and witnesses through its literal works, rather than what we cannot see; or to have faith in the “works” God and Jesus accomplish within our hearts. (1 Cor 2:14; Phil 3:18,19; Rom 1:25) (Matt 7:7,8; John 11:25; 14:1) 
    Jeroboam introduced calf worship for selfish reasons, to secure his northern kingdom of Israel, and its population to stay in place. (1 Kings 12:25-27) The governing leaders have done the same. They have “secured” their kingdom, and allow no other member of “Israel” to renounce the leadership or their idol. (Matt 24:48-51) All must bow down to the Beast and its leadership, or face certain “death”. (John 16:2; Rev 13:15) 
    So the Almighty God has a competing rival created by Satan, with the purpose to tear down and crush His handiwork, by leading them into idolatry. (Matt 7:15,20; 1 Tim 4:1; 2 Thess 2:3,4;9-12; Rev 11:1-3; 1 Cor 3:16,17; 2 Cor 6:16; 1 John 5:21) 
    Is there any other organization “like” the Wt. that promotes salvation, and claims to have the breath/spirit of God directing it? (Rev 13:15; notice John 20:22) 
    “People worshiped the dragon because he had given authority to the beast, and they also worshiped the beast and asked, “Who is like the beast? Who can wage war against it?” Rev 13:4
    There is no doubt that it is perceived by JWs as a necessary awe-inspiring “way” to receive eternal life. It is a form of idolatry that has its roots in ancient times, yet modernized and disguised so brilliantly, that only with the help of God and Christ can any of us who thirst for truth, “see” it for what it is. The Beast is the idol of the most devious, crafty development planned, to mislead God’s holy people and those with them…to their destruction. (Joel 2:12; John 8:12; Rev 3:18) (Rev 13:8; 14:9-12) 
    Who among the gods
    is like You, Lord?
    Who is like You—
    majestic in holiness,
    awesome in glory,
    working wonders? Exod 15:11
    “You shall not make anything to be with Me (“alongside Me”/”gods to share with Me”)—gods of silver or gods of gold you shall not make for yourselves.” Exod 20:23
    The organization boasts that it follows the laws of God through Jesus Christ, while slyly slipping in men’s laws and decisions. It declares that “God’s organization” has established these decrees through its governing leaders. (Mark 7:7,8; John 12:48,49) Truly, this is only to ensure the operating efficiency of an earthly organization; and for its captives to continue bearing the mark of the beast. (Matt 6:19; Rev 3:17,18; Prov 10:2) (Rom 6:16-18; Rev 13:16-18) 
     
    We must make certain that our service, obedience, and worship is to God alone. This is just as Jesus kept admonishing us (Matt 4:10; 22:36-38; Deut 10:12)...
    (2 Cor 13:5; 1 John 4:1; 1 Thess 5:21,22; 1 Tim 4:1; Rev 16:13-15; 13:15,8; 2 Thess 2:1-15)
    We must make certain, that everything we believe, obey, and practice, is sourced in God's word of Truth.
    Our minds, hearts, and deeds must be directed by and obedient to, God's Laws of Divine Truth.
    Only then are we marked as His slaves (1 John 2:17; Rom 6:18,22).  Pearl Doxsey
     
     
    Psalm 19
    "The heavens declare the glory of God;
    And the firmament shows His handiwork.
    2 Day unto day utters speech,
    And night unto night reveals knowledge.
    3 There is no speech nor language
    Where their voice is not heard.
    4 Their line (“sound, business”) has gone out through all the earth,
    And their words to the end of the world.
    In them He has set a tabernacle for the sun,
    5 Which is like a bridegroom coming out of his chamber,
    And rejoices like a strong man to run its race.
    6 Its rising is from one end of heaven,
    And its circuit to the other end;
    And there is nothing hidden from its heat.
    7 The law of the Lord is perfect, converting (“restoring”) the soul;
    The testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple;
    8 The statutes of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart;
    The commandment of the Lord is pure, enlightening the eyes;
    9 The fear of the Lord is clean, enduring forever;
    The judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether.
    10 More to be desired are they than gold,
    Yea, than much fine gold;
    Sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb.
    11 Moreover by them Your servant is warned,
    And in keeping them there is great reward.
    12 Who can understand his errors?
    Cleanse me from secret faults.
    13 Keep back Your servant also from presumptuous sins;
    Let them not have dominion over me.
    Then I shall be blameless,
    And I shall be innocent of great transgression.
    14 Let the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart
    Be acceptable in Your sight,
    O Lord, my strength and my Redeemer. "
     
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    The Mark of Slavery
    "666/144,000"
     
     
     

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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in WATCHTOWER, 1991 - "HOW TO CHOOSE THE RIGHT RELIGION"   
    "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; 4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables."  2 Tim 4:3,4
     

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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in WATCHTOWER, 1991 - "HOW TO CHOOSE THE RIGHT RELIGION"   
    I wouldn't agree with a setting like this, Anna. There are things, in both religion and science, that could be called dogmas. In earlier science, such as that of the Middle Ages, there were “scientific assumptions” completely contrary to today’s understanding and evidence. In one significant part, correct me if I am wrong, the former science was in the hands of religious systems that claimed to have knowledge of “divine” origin, and therefore that knowledge was “infallible”.
    Today, we have a different science. It is beyond the reach of religion. Even contrary to religious teachings. It is based on a different approach, methods and insights. Therefore, we will not say that scientific discoveries are "false or true" as in religion, but that they are "correct or inaccurate", because new evidence can confirm or change previous conclusions.
    It is different with religion. We always have the same basic premise, and that is, “All knowledge comes from God,” and he determines what is right and wrong, what is true and false.
    In religious matters, teachings, and conclusions, people supposedly rely entirely on the Word of God, and therefore such conclusions and dogmas are "true," for God is a God of truth, not falsehood. A lie is a deliberate untruth. There is no room for error here because we accidentally made a mistake. Religious leaders do not introduce any teaching or instruction with words that warn the flock in advance of the possibility of future changes in doctrine or give room for possible errors in doctrines. No, no religion does that. Also, even GB in WTJWorg never distances itself in advance from the fact that everything they say may be wrong. The “truth” is always published in WTJWorg, according to their own claims in the literature.
    Subsequent changes in the interpretation of previous interpretations are called “new light” which illuminates “old light”. No one in WTJWorg called “old light” a real name within religious i.e. biblical terminology: lie. If WTJWorg were a scientific organization, then they could talk about their teachings as “mistakes”. But WTJWorg is an expression of the Kingdom of God on Earth and declares itself to be the successor of the First Congregation of Jesus Christ. So, it is of a religious character. And in religion there are only two: truth or lie.
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in WATCHTOWER, 1991 - "HOW TO CHOOSE THE RIGHT RELIGION"   
    As a JW?  As an elder?  As a member of an organization that required your "dedication"?  No.
    Jesus is the only "gate".  It is a direct path.  Any other "path" is a thief that can rob us of eternal life. (John 10:7-10) The organization is not our mediator to reach the Father.  (Acts 4:11,12)
    Maybe you know this; and if you do, surely you realize that no one can serve two masters.  (Matt 6:24)  However, as an elder, you are serving the needs of an organization, and the men who guide it.  You are serving a fake Zion, while obeying the GB's orders to oppress the true "Zion"/"holy city" - the anointed priesthood.  (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2)  You have fallen into the lie that the "royal priesthood" can be "represented" by the elder body.  (2 Chron 13:9; Ezek 44:6-9)
    These members are part of the Body of Jesus Christ. (1 Cor 12)  So, whatever is committed against them, is equally committed against Jesus.  Something to think about, as a "follower" of Jesus.  (Dan 8:25; Acts 9:1-5; Rev 9:4,5; 13:5-7)
    You had said it would be difficult to worship outside of an organization.  The difficulty comes when leaving it - leaving the life you have developed, and the people who would subsequently shun you...behind.  It is like the true Christians that fled to the mountains of Judea before Jerusalem was destroyed.  They made similar sacrifices, but they were blessed abundantly. (Matt 10:39; 19:29; Luke 14:26; 12:53)
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in WATCHTOWER, 1991 - "HOW TO CHOOSE THE RIGHT RELIGION"   
    Your whole comment was nicely said.  Thank you!
    It’s not my asking for perfection, it is the desire to know the God of Truth and His Son who is Truth.  It would be dishonoring to both of them, to accept the untruths - lies -  of men. The “new light” mentality, has nothing to do with the Word of God, but everything to do with the words of uninspired men who fail to receive understanding from Christ.   He promised it to those who remain with him. (John 15:5) How many years does it take for someone to realize their spiritual leaders are not receiving the correct understanding from Christ?

    The unfolding of your words gives light;
        it gives understanding to the simple.”  Ps 119:130
    How often has the organization backtracked in the "understanding” of their own doctrine? 
    Jesus answered, “My teaching is not my own. It comes from the one who sent me. 17 Anyone who chooses to do the will of God will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own. 18 Whoever speaks on their own does so to gain personal glory, but he who seeks the glory of the one who sent him is a man of truth; there is nothing false about him.”  John 7:16-18 
     Nothing false to be found in a man of truth. Can you say that about your leadership?  
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in WATCHTOWER, 1991 - "HOW TO CHOOSE THE RIGHT RELIGION"   
    This answer really isn’t for you, since you are so stuck in your organization, and all the delight you experience because of it, that I doubt you will see any spiritual logic.(I so wish you could)  But, perhaps those who visit here, who are waking up, can relate.   Oh, I can always hope...that perhaps Anna, who sometimes walks precariously around Wt's doctrines, will some day take a side for the authentic "truth" in Christ.  (John 14:6)
    As always, JWs compare themselves, their ”spirit-directed organization”, and its failures, to other organizations, religions, and now… “science, technology medicine, relationships etc.”!
    When was the last time you  really read the Bible?  What did Jesus promise those chosen to be part of his Body, and who “remained” in him?
    Matt 7:7; 18:19,20; John 14:12-14,26; 15:5; 16:23,24; 1 John 2:20-21  
    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matt+7%3A7%3B+18%3A19%2C20%3B+John+14%3A12-14%2C26%3B+15%3A5%3B+16%3A23%2C24%3B+1+John+2%3A20-21&version=NIV
     
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    Dates, now worthless and dropped like rocks in a pond.  They were all “visions” of your leaders’ minds.  And you think God has turned a blind eye to your leaders misleading thousands with their theories?  You believe He is that flexible about unrighteous acts, which is another word for “ungodliness”?
    “Therefore, this is what the Lord of Armies says concerning the prophets:
    I am about to feed them wormwood
    and give them poisoned water to drink,
    for from the prophets of Jerusalem
    ungodliness has spread throughout the land.
    16 This is what the Lord of Armies says: “Do not listen to the words of the prophets who prophesy to you. They are deluding you. They speak visions from their own minds, not from the Lord’s mouth. 17 They keep on saying to those who despise me, ‘The Lord has spoken: You will have peace.’ They have said to everyone who follows the stubbornness of his heart, ‘No harm will come to you.’” Jer 23:15-17
    Is this why you love the organization in spite of its false teachings?  Do you believe that it is the haven of peace and security that it touts to be?  (1 Thess 5:3)
     
    Like a brush ready to be dipped in the pot, “new light” is frequently held in the hand of your leaders. (Isa 44:20)  They apply this convenient coating over the “old light”, to sustain their position and their “tower” built with walls layered with “new light” reinforcement. (Gen 11:4; Isa 2:12-17)   It is only a coverup of what lies in their hearts. God reads each heart. (Luke 6:45)  You can see what God thinks in this one Bible account of the ancient practice of applying “new light”.  In this account, it is referred to as “whitewash”.   
     “‘Therefore, this is what the Lord God says: You have spoken falsely and had lying visions; that’s why you discover that I am against you. This is the declaration of the Lord God. 9 My hand will be against the prophets who see false visions and speak lying divinations. They will not be present in the council of my people or be recorded in the register of the house of Israel, and they will not enter the land of Israel. Then you will know that I am the Lord God.
    10 “‘Since they have led my people astray by saying, “Peace,” when there is no peace, and since when a flimsy wall is being built, they plaster it with whitewash, 11 therefore, tell those plastering it with whitewash that it will fall. Torrential rain will come, and I will send hailstones plunging[a] down, and a whirlwind will be released. 12 When the wall has fallen, will you not be asked, “Where’s the whitewash (“new light”) you plastered on it?”  Ezek 13:8-12
    If JWs truly were not subservient to men, they would not be in the organization.  The elders, have immediate power to condemn anyone who may say, "I will only serve God and Christ", since these men expect immediate obedience.  And YOU are taught this. JWs will always be subservient to men only.  
    Subservient: -“ prepared to obey others unquestioningly.”
    “For example, Jehovah wants family members to obey the head of the family. (Col. 3:20) And he wants those in the congregation to obey the elders.” w21 February p. 17-18
    Do I obey the elders in my congregation and also those who care for the worldwide congregation?’ w14/9/15 p 9-14
    “How can we display our gratitude and esteem for the older men—elders, or overseers—in the congregation? ... Yes, we are to obey them and be submissive, to yield, to them.” w02 3/15 pp. 13-18
     
    “Am I now trying to win the approval of human beings, or of God? Or am I trying to please people? If I were still trying to please people, I would not be a servant of Christ.”  Gal 1:10
    There doesn't appear to be any room to obey/please/win the approval of... men, according to this scripture.  (Rom 6:16)
     
    Should We Obey Men?
     
     
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    Witness reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in WATCHTOWER, 1991 - "HOW TO CHOOSE THE RIGHT RELIGION"   
    Oh dear tom you are soooooooooo funny. 
    quote But neither do I want to be seen as an attack dog.
    But then you go on and attack me. And earlier you were attacking Witness. 
    I honestly think you are frightened of the things I write. Just look how you try to belittle me. You know I speak truth and therefore you try to pretend that I'm an idiot. 
    Keep trying tom, it just shows you up for what you are. 
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    Witness reacted to Matthew9969 in WATCHTOWER, 1991 - "HOW TO CHOOSE THE RIGHT RELIGION"   
    When I think of a religion lying I think of a recent example of the fds and rank & file telling the public and under oath that they do not cut off and shun family members and in the same year come out with a video about the expected behavior of parents cutting off and shunning their own daughter. When a religion is willing to blatantly tell very obvious lie, they will be willing to lie about other things. 
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