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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in WATCHTOWER, 1991 - "HOW TO CHOOSE THE RIGHT RELIGION"   
    You have nicely shown that the biblical text (about Armageddon) can be understood in a completely different way than the one offered by WTJWorg.
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in WATCHTOWER, 1991 - "HOW TO CHOOSE THE RIGHT RELIGION"   
    In 1975, people were commended for selling their houses and preparing for Armageddon to arrive within that year. Of course, their inclination based on numbers was wrong.   But after listening to the third part of the annual meeting, I believe “Armageddon” is a long way off in their eyes, and the GB prefer that way.  There are too many earthly projects they need to address and accomplish.  Besides, perhaps in the deep recesses of their minds, they don't want to face Christ.  Do they have the power to stall the coming judgment concerning their works and faith in an organization?  
    How do they reckon with this statement that their organization has made:
    "As Christians, we face up to similar challenges today. We cannot take part in any modern version of idolatry—be it worshipful gestures toward an image or symbol or the imputing of salvation to a person or an organization."   26 "Our Relative Subjection to the Superior Authorities"   Wt 1990/11/1 p. 26
    Most of the video concerned a new project that will take "years" to complete.  This was said with emphasis by A. Morris.  It was also emphasized to "pleeese support it according to your circumstances" by S. Lett.  So, there are many new projects  to support! (the Ramipo facility as well)
    I'm amazed at their hypocritical speech; yes, according to them, the GT and Armageddon is imminent on the one hand, while this video production will take a very long time to produce...AND, as stated, will bring many into "Jehovah's organization".  It will be a series of videos on the gospels, entitled the "good news according to Jesus".  "Jehovah" is helping to make it happen - they already have evidence of that!  Do they know that the Mormon church has produced quality videos about the gospels already?  Was God instrumental in making those happen?  It only takes actors and money; and they're already training their up and coming stars now, while pleading for money at the same time.  
    In the interim, the anointed spiritual "house" of God, is ignored, and trampled into silence to make room for a bigger, greater, "modern day idol."  (Dan 11:31; Mark 13:14; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2; 13:5-7)
    “Is it a time for you yourselves to dwell in your houses that have been paneled while this house[a] is desolate?”  Haggai 1:4
    Footnote:  [a] "that is, the temple".  
    (John 2:19-22; Matt 16:18; Isa 43:10-12; 1 Pet 2:5,9,10; 1 Cor 3:16,17; 6:19-20; Eph 2:20-22)
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in WATCHTOWER, 1991 - "HOW TO CHOOSE THE RIGHT RELIGION"   
    In 1975, people were commended for selling their houses and preparing for Armageddon to arrive within that year. Of course, their inclination based on numbers was wrong.   But after listening to the third part of the annual meeting, I believe “Armageddon” is a long way off in their eyes, and the GB prefer that way.  There are too many earthly projects they need to address and accomplish.  Besides, perhaps in the deep recesses of their minds, they don't want to face Christ.  Do they have the power to stall the coming judgment concerning their works and faith in an organization?  
    How do they reckon with this statement that their organization has made:
    "As Christians, we face up to similar challenges today. We cannot take part in any modern version of idolatry—be it worshipful gestures toward an image or symbol or the imputing of salvation to a person or an organization."   26 "Our Relative Subjection to the Superior Authorities"   Wt 1990/11/1 p. 26
    Most of the video concerned a new project that will take "years" to complete.  This was said with emphasis by A. Morris.  It was also emphasized to "pleeese support it according to your circumstances" by S. Lett.  So, there are many new projects  to support! (the Ramipo facility as well)
    I'm amazed at their hypocritical speech; yes, according to them, the GT and Armageddon is imminent on the one hand, while this video production will take a very long time to produce...AND, as stated, will bring many into "Jehovah's organization".  It will be a series of videos on the gospels, entitled the "good news according to Jesus".  "Jehovah" is helping to make it happen - they already have evidence of that!  Do they know that the Mormon church has produced quality videos about the gospels already?  Was God instrumental in making those happen?  It only takes actors and money; and they're already training their up and coming stars now, while pleading for money at the same time.  
    In the interim, the anointed spiritual "house" of God, is ignored, and trampled into silence to make room for a bigger, greater, "modern day idol."  (Dan 11:31; Mark 13:14; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2; 13:5-7)
    “Is it a time for you yourselves to dwell in your houses that have been paneled while this house[a] is desolate?”  Haggai 1:4
    Footnote:  [a] "that is, the temple".  
    (John 2:19-22; Matt 16:18; Isa 43:10-12; 1 Pet 2:5,9,10; 1 Cor 3:16,17; 6:19-20; Eph 2:20-22)
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in WATCHTOWER, 1991 - "HOW TO CHOOSE THE RIGHT RELIGION"   
    If you read any of my posts here, you would see how I feel about Wt's deception. 
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    Witness reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in WATCHTOWER, 1991 - "HOW TO CHOOSE THE RIGHT RELIGION"   
    8 men calling themselves the Faithful and Discreet Slave and exalting themselves above every perosn living here on this Earth. And those 8 men exalt themseves over the True Anointed ones. Luke 14 : 11. 
    Well it started with Russell who had the power and leadership. Then Rutherford whom many 'brothers' hated, and i believe some of them left, but he certainly showed his lust for power. And this lust has remained right through to today. 
    Yes, power over 8½ million people, money and fame.  The selling of all the old property in USA brought in so much cash, then building Warwick made them famous, and next is the big 'film studio' they are planning to build.  They are already famous for all the videos etc. 
    The Watchtower Study Edition is printed solely for the purpose of dictating to the congregation exactly what it WILL BELIEVE. And it therefor follows it also dictates what JW will preach to others. 
    If it is of so little consequence to you then you cannot be a very spiritual person.  BUT IMO it is the True Anointed that will have the true spiritual guidance, not the 'boots on the ground' JWs. 
    Really ? How strange. So, did your Baptism include the words I've highlighted in this scripture ?  "Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit,"  as Jesus instructed and recorded at, Matthew 28 :19. 
    As for the rest of your drivel, it's not really worth the time to reply to, just to say that you are obviously a 'company man' doing the will of your GB. You don't seem to have any knowledge of the CSA Earthwide problem, probably because it frightens you. Do you have any knowledge of the 25 year Pedophile Database you GB and their Lawyers are hiding ?  it's all kept hidden from the congregations. If they don't go looking for info' they will never know. 
     
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    Witness reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in WATCHTOWER, 1991 - "HOW TO CHOOSE THE RIGHT RELIGION"   
    @TrueTomHarley  It appears that the HATRED is coming from you.  This time aimed at Witness. Other times aimed at me or others. 
    And @Witness offers her views on spiritual matters far more than you ever do. All you do is promote yourself and your books. 
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in WATCHTOWER, 1991 - "HOW TO CHOOSE THE RIGHT RELIGION"   
    An untruth never becomes "brighter".  It is pure darkness. (2 Cor 6:14)  So, if the organization has “not always taught the truth”, it has taught a dark lie.  There is absolutely no light of Christ, in a lie that would hint at the possibility of becoming “brighter”.  
    And back to the opening scriptures, “trees” were referred to as God's people under covenant - today, it is those of "Israel", the priesthood. (Matt 7:15-20; Mal 2:7; 1 Pet 2:5,9)  If an anointed leader of yours has repeatedly taught AND predicted, something that was not the truth; unless he leaves off lying by severing himself from the lying organization, (that to this day supports the previous leaders who spoke their lies), he will always teach lies. He will always produce "bad fruit". 
    The organization to this day, does not teach “the truth”.
    "bitter"?  Why is it when someone brings Wt's lies to the fore, they are viewed as  "bitter"? 
    Listen to Paul, and tell me, were his words bitter?
    The weapons we fight with are not the weapons of the world. On the contrary, they have divine power to demolish strongholds. 5 We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ. 6 And we will be ready to punish every act of disobedience, once your obedience is complete. 2 Cor 10:4-6
    I am thankful to God and Jesus Christ,  that I am no longer subservient to men, and to their lies. (Isa 51:21-23; Matt 24:48-51; Rev 18:4-8)
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in WATCHTOWER, 1991 - "HOW TO CHOOSE THE RIGHT RELIGION"   
    An untruth never becomes "brighter".  It is pure darkness. (2 Cor 6:14)  So, if the organization has “not always taught the truth”, it has taught a dark lie.  There is absolutely no light of Christ, in a lie that would hint at the possibility of becoming “brighter”.  
    And back to the opening scriptures, “trees” were referred to as God's people under covenant - today, it is those of "Israel", the priesthood. (Matt 7:15-20; Mal 2:7; 1 Pet 2:5,9)  If an anointed leader of yours has repeatedly taught AND predicted, something that was not the truth; unless he leaves off lying by severing himself from the lying organization, (that to this day supports the previous leaders who spoke their lies), he will always teach lies. He will always produce "bad fruit". 
    The organization to this day, does not teach “the truth”.
    "bitter"?  Why is it when someone brings Wt's lies to the fore, they are viewed as  "bitter"? 
    Listen to Paul, and tell me, were his words bitter?
    The weapons we fight with are not the weapons of the world. On the contrary, they have divine power to demolish strongholds. 5 We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ. 6 And we will be ready to punish every act of disobedience, once your obedience is complete. 2 Cor 10:4-6
    I am thankful to God and Jesus Christ,  that I am no longer subservient to men, and to their lies. (Isa 51:21-23; Matt 24:48-51; Rev 18:4-8)
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    Witness got a reaction from ApostaBabe Linda James in WATCHTOWER, 1991 - "HOW TO CHOOSE THE RIGHT RELIGION"   
    Many claim the organization teaches "present truth", which obviously shows it has an expected expiration date.  (John 15:16)
    Teachings expressed by its leaders as Truth, come and go, and are discarded when the need for another LIE shows itself.
    Well, the "proof of the pudding is in the eating", as they say. (I'm thinking primarily of "Beliefs Clarified")
    Interestingly, part of this scripture is found in the Wt article pictured below, which I didn't realize until I pulled the article on my own:  
    “Beware of false prophets who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inside are ravenous wolves. 16 You will recognize them by their fruits: they do not gather grapes from thorn bushes or figs from thistles, do they? 17 In the same way, every good tree produces good fruit, but a bad tree produces bad fruit. 18 A good tree is not able to produce bad fruit, nor a bad tree to produce good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not produce good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 As a result, you will recognize them by their fruits." Matt 7:15-20
    The article states:
    Seeing the bad fruit of the world’s “great” religions, and even of the sects and cults that have sprung up, many sincere people are coming to view them all as ‘rotten trees,’ simply not good enough. But how can they find the true religion? (wt 1991/12/1 pp 6-8)
    JWs believe they have found it!  But, according to the article, a religion that teaches lies cannot be true.
    Unless Wt. has a different definition of truth, (actually, it does) the following are lies:
    The ‘battle of the great day of God Almighty’ (Rev. 16:14), which will end in A.D. 1914 with the complete overthrow of earth’s present rulership, is already commenced. "The Time is at Hand"  1907, p. 101
    "We understand that the jubilee type began to count in 1575 B.C.; and the 3,500 year period embracing the type must end in 1925.. It follows, then, that the year 1925 will mark the beginning of the restoration of all things lost by Adam's disobedience."  Wt 1922/11/1
    One could fill a few pages of wrong, failed, changed, discarded, shoved under the carpet, teachings by the Watchtower.  It is those who believe the lie, as 2 Thess 2:9-12  brings out, who have no prospect of receiving eternal life.   
    It takes incredible gall for JWs to call those on the outside of their organization, "apostates" and "liars", who are  people that can see through the veil of deception.  (2 Cor 4:3)
     
    Where Is the Truth Religion?
     
     
      
     
     

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    Witness reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in WATCHTOWER, 1991 - "HOW TO CHOOSE THE RIGHT RELIGION"   
    @xero Wow the organisation have trained you well in their twisting of scripture and their sly lying ways.
    Lets take for example the 'Faithful and discreet Slave' 
    Up until 2013 (I think) ALL of the Anointed were classed as the F&DS. But then wow, suddenly ONLY THE GB  are the F&DS.
    So, tell me how your GB got this message from God ?  Relate this to your cat nonsense. Where is ANY PROOF that your GB are the F&DS ?  Why did your GB suddenly demote the rest of the Anointed ones ?  
    Now another example, the 'Superior Authorties' of Romans. How did your Org / Watchtower get the false message from God saying that the SA was no longer the Governments / Leaders of this world, but suddenly became God and Christ ? 
    WHY WOULD GOD TELL A LIE ? Answer is God did not lie. The Leaders of your Org / W/t LIED because they wanted power over the whole congregation. They did not get any message from God.
    And now your GB admit that they are not inspired of Holy Spirit, but they use this confession only as an excuse for the lies they've told and continue to tell. 
    One of the main reasons your GB are so guilty of lies is, as I've mentioned, that they say they are the F&DS. By saying that, they are saying they are the 'vioce' / spokesperson of God through Christ. That is blasphamy, and they continue to prove so by their dishonest immoral behavior. 
    The GB's attitude concerning Child Sexual Abuse within the Watchtower / JW Org proves they have no love for God, Christ or people. Your GB are a total disgrace, but of course they will have their judgemnet soon. 
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Is Zoom satanic and pagan?   
    I'm sure @Matthew9969 is bringing the subject up because of past teachings of the organization - basically, that the internet is a dangerous place, stay away from social platforms, etc.  Now as is the usual practice of hypocrisy,  the organization has embraced it, and the internet is the place to go for spiritual "food".  What is the distinction from all other religions?  A zoom meeting with a password?  Does that virtual meeting place become "Jehovah's House"?  
    Your scripture cannot apply in this case, but it does apply to those who bend to the fallacious rules and regulations of men, and not to those of God.   
    "To the pure all things are pure, but to those who are defiled and unbelieving nothing is pure, but both their mind and conscience are defiled. 16 They profess to know God, but by their deeds they deny him, because they are detestable and disobedient, and unfit for every good deed."  Titus 1:15,16
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in WATCHTOWER, 1991 - "HOW TO CHOOSE THE RIGHT RELIGION"   
    The message that Jonah gave the people, "in the strictest sense", was not a lie.  They heard the message that originated with God, and they repented.  Where is the lie?  
    And the people of Nineveh believed in God, and they proclaimed a fast and put on sackcloth—from the greatest of them to the least important.
    And the news reached the king of Nineveh, and he rose from his throne and removed his royal robe, put on sackcloth, and sat in the ashes. 7 And he had a proclamation made, and said,
    “In Nineveh, by a decree of the king and his nobles:
    “No human being or animal, no herd or flock, shall taste anything! They must not eat, and they must not drink water! 8 And the human beings and the animals must be covered with sackcloth! And they must call forcefully to God, and each must turn from his evil way and from the violence that is in his[f] hands. 9 Who knows? God may relent and change his mind and turn from his blazing anger[g] so that[h] we will not perish.”
    10 And God saw their deeds—that they turned from their evil ways—and God changed his mind about the evil that he had said he would bring upon them, and he did not do it.  Jonah 3:3-10
    Are you calling God a liar?  
     
    Yes!
    Just as the organization doesn't know what its talking about concerning many of their doctrines.  "This generation" teaching is a complete failure;  but continues to mislead people with its variations on a theme - that being from the beginning, it has been a lie.
    I like this quote:  “Lies require commitment.”  The Wt is committed to feed their lies, with more lies.
    Thus says the YHVH of hosts, “You must not listen to the words of the prophets who prophesy to you. They are deluding you with visions of their mind, They do not speak from the mouth of YHVH.  Jer 23:16
    This is a command that hold true today.  If JWs continue to listen to men and their organization that  has prophesied lies, and still  prophesies lies, they will have to answer for it.  JWs speak the same lies they are taught, no?  THEY are as guilty of misleading others with lies, as are the leadership, since we stand as individuals before Christ in judgment.  
    The good person from his good treasury brings out good things, and the evil person from his evil treasury brings out evil things. 36 But I tell you that every worthless word that they speak, people will give an account for it on the day of judgment! 37 For by your words you will be vindicated, and by your words you will be condemned.”  Matt 12:35-37
    "visions of their own mind"..."worthless words that they speak". 
    You've got two examples of delusionary teachings in the opening post, how many more would you like?  And how many excuses will there be, to dismiss a lie taught by the organization?
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in WATCHTOWER, 1991 - "HOW TO CHOOSE THE RIGHT RELIGION"   
    The message that Jonah gave the people, "in the strictest sense", was not a lie.  They heard the message that originated with God, and they repented.  Where is the lie?  
    And the people of Nineveh believed in God, and they proclaimed a fast and put on sackcloth—from the greatest of them to the least important.
    And the news reached the king of Nineveh, and he rose from his throne and removed his royal robe, put on sackcloth, and sat in the ashes. 7 And he had a proclamation made, and said,
    “In Nineveh, by a decree of the king and his nobles:
    “No human being or animal, no herd or flock, shall taste anything! They must not eat, and they must not drink water! 8 And the human beings and the animals must be covered with sackcloth! And they must call forcefully to God, and each must turn from his evil way and from the violence that is in his[f] hands. 9 Who knows? God may relent and change his mind and turn from his blazing anger[g] so that[h] we will not perish.”
    10 And God saw their deeds—that they turned from their evil ways—and God changed his mind about the evil that he had said he would bring upon them, and he did not do it.  Jonah 3:3-10
    Are you calling God a liar?  
     
    Yes!
    Just as the organization doesn't know what its talking about concerning many of their doctrines.  "This generation" teaching is a complete failure;  but continues to mislead people with its variations on a theme - that being from the beginning, it has been a lie.
    I like this quote:  “Lies require commitment.”  The Wt is committed to feed their lies, with more lies.
    Thus says the YHVH of hosts, “You must not listen to the words of the prophets who prophesy to you. They are deluding you with visions of their mind, They do not speak from the mouth of YHVH.  Jer 23:16
    This is a command that hold true today.  If JWs continue to listen to men and their organization that  has prophesied lies, and still  prophesies lies, they will have to answer for it.  JWs speak the same lies they are taught, no?  THEY are as guilty of misleading others with lies, as are the leadership, since we stand as individuals before Christ in judgment.  
    The good person from his good treasury brings out good things, and the evil person from his evil treasury brings out evil things. 36 But I tell you that every worthless word that they speak, people will give an account for it on the day of judgment! 37 For by your words you will be vindicated, and by your words you will be condemned.”  Matt 12:35-37
    "visions of their own mind"..."worthless words that they speak". 
    You've got two examples of delusionary teachings in the opening post, how many more would you like?  And how many excuses will there be, to dismiss a lie taught by the organization?
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in WATCHTOWER, 1991 - "HOW TO CHOOSE THE RIGHT RELIGION"   
    Many claim the organization teaches "present truth", which obviously shows it has an expected expiration date.  (John 15:16)
    Teachings expressed by its leaders as Truth, come and go, and are discarded when the need for another LIE shows itself.
    Well, the "proof of the pudding is in the eating", as they say. (I'm thinking primarily of "Beliefs Clarified")
    Interestingly, part of this scripture is found in the Wt article pictured below, which I didn't realize until I pulled the article on my own:  
    “Beware of false prophets who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inside are ravenous wolves. 16 You will recognize them by their fruits: they do not gather grapes from thorn bushes or figs from thistles, do they? 17 In the same way, every good tree produces good fruit, but a bad tree produces bad fruit. 18 A good tree is not able to produce bad fruit, nor a bad tree to produce good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not produce good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 As a result, you will recognize them by their fruits." Matt 7:15-20
    The article states:
    Seeing the bad fruit of the world’s “great” religions, and even of the sects and cults that have sprung up, many sincere people are coming to view them all as ‘rotten trees,’ simply not good enough. But how can they find the true religion? (wt 1991/12/1 pp 6-8)
    JWs believe they have found it!  But, according to the article, a religion that teaches lies cannot be true.
    Unless Wt. has a different definition of truth, (actually, it does) the following are lies:
    The ‘battle of the great day of God Almighty’ (Rev. 16:14), which will end in A.D. 1914 with the complete overthrow of earth’s present rulership, is already commenced. "The Time is at Hand"  1907, p. 101
    "We understand that the jubilee type began to count in 1575 B.C.; and the 3,500 year period embracing the type must end in 1925.. It follows, then, that the year 1925 will mark the beginning of the restoration of all things lost by Adam's disobedience."  Wt 1922/11/1
    One could fill a few pages of wrong, failed, changed, discarded, shoved under the carpet, teachings by the Watchtower.  It is those who believe the lie, as 2 Thess 2:9-12  brings out, who have no prospect of receiving eternal life.   
    It takes incredible gall for JWs to call those on the outside of their organization, "apostates" and "liars", who are  people that can see through the veil of deception.  (2 Cor 4:3)
     
    Where Is the Truth Religion?
     
     
      
     
     

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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in WATCHTOWER, 1991 - "HOW TO CHOOSE THE RIGHT RELIGION"   
    He preached what he heard. GB heard nothing! .... or they heard voices, still? :))
    After some time Jonah heard something else. So, both voices came from same place (same person aka God) and what Jonah told people, "both news", were true as such. 
    "Jonah message or truth" were not the result of a "light that shines more and more" in which the second stronger light replaces the first which shines less brightly. These were two completely clear messages with two contents. There, nothing depended on the spiritual-intellectual effort of the people to try to understand the "riddle".
    What is the rational belief of a child who sees a cat for the first time, not knowing it is a cat, but his mother telling him it is a cat? The child trusts the mother and that is why this statement is correct. 
    Adult people believe other people how something is true. And in many cases they don't question it, they don’t check it. In WTJWorg was created special climate in which members “learn” how far they are allowed to question and doubt something. The "Rubicon" exists and is passed from generation to generation.
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in WATCHTOWER, 1991 - "HOW TO CHOOSE THE RIGHT RELIGION"   
    Many claim the organization teaches "present truth", which obviously shows it has an expected expiration date.  (John 15:16)
    Teachings expressed by its leaders as Truth, come and go, and are discarded when the need for another LIE shows itself.
    Well, the "proof of the pudding is in the eating", as they say. (I'm thinking primarily of "Beliefs Clarified")
    Interestingly, part of this scripture is found in the Wt article pictured below, which I didn't realize until I pulled the article on my own:  
    “Beware of false prophets who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inside are ravenous wolves. 16 You will recognize them by their fruits: they do not gather grapes from thorn bushes or figs from thistles, do they? 17 In the same way, every good tree produces good fruit, but a bad tree produces bad fruit. 18 A good tree is not able to produce bad fruit, nor a bad tree to produce good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not produce good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 As a result, you will recognize them by their fruits." Matt 7:15-20
    The article states:
    Seeing the bad fruit of the world’s “great” religions, and even of the sects and cults that have sprung up, many sincere people are coming to view them all as ‘rotten trees,’ simply not good enough. But how can they find the true religion? (wt 1991/12/1 pp 6-8)
    JWs believe they have found it!  But, according to the article, a religion that teaches lies cannot be true.
    Unless Wt. has a different definition of truth, (actually, it does) the following are lies:
    The ‘battle of the great day of God Almighty’ (Rev. 16:14), which will end in A.D. 1914 with the complete overthrow of earth’s present rulership, is already commenced. "The Time is at Hand"  1907, p. 101
    "We understand that the jubilee type began to count in 1575 B.C.; and the 3,500 year period embracing the type must end in 1925.. It follows, then, that the year 1925 will mark the beginning of the restoration of all things lost by Adam's disobedience."  Wt 1922/11/1
    One could fill a few pages of wrong, failed, changed, discarded, shoved under the carpet, teachings by the Watchtower.  It is those who believe the lie, as 2 Thess 2:9-12  brings out, who have no prospect of receiving eternal life.   
    It takes incredible gall for JWs to call those on the outside of their organization, "apostates" and "liars", who are  people that can see through the veil of deception.  (2 Cor 4:3)
     
    Where Is the Truth Religion?
     
     
      
     
     

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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Constitutional petition filed against alternative military service law. Some folks are never happy.   
    Here, let me rephrase the question for you.  Show me one scripture in the Bible that says God allows His Holy priesthood to be replaced/represented by elders who are not "circumcised".  They are not of "Israel".  They are "Gentiles".  
    There, does that help you understand?  Or, will you continue to evade the question with stupid answers.
    Gal 5:6 and 1 Cor 7:19 are concerning physical circumcision, not the spiritual through anointing.  
      
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Constitutional petition filed against alternative military service law. Some folks are never happy.   
    I can only guess that you are trying to make a case against spiritual "circumcision" which the anointed receive. (Col 2:11) No one, is mixing up the literal Jew with the spiritual Jew. Only you are.
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in DISFELLOWSHIPPING - "A LOVING PROVISION"   
    A comment from another forum:
    ("pimi" - physically in, mentally in...the organization)
    "My pimi aunt, also elder’s wife, is a good person and cares for people. Some of her kids have left the Borg and she treats them all equally and kindly. She hasn’t shunned members of the family who did get dfd. So at one convention when a sister we all knew was being interviewed on stage about her association with her own disfellowshipped son the sister said: “to me, he’s dead”. Enter major applause from the audience (nuts!!!) and one absolutely horrified and appalled elders-wife auntie. She called me after and told me about it and was just shocked someone could say that about their own kids. I was pimi at the time myself and we both HATED it and Thought it was crazy and what made her equally mad was the mega applause. Sickening! I had to share this story of these brainwashed cult people because any normal person with a heart sees how wrong this is. What was the scripture again about how people won’t have natural affection in the time of the end again? 🤔"
     Who is benefitting from this “loving provision” of treating someone as dead?  I suppose only those who are in "good standing" in the organization.  The disfellowshipped one certainly cannot be the recipient of love, if no one acknowledges his or her existence.   
    What a wicked twist the "spirit-breathed" Wt. has put on the meaning of Christ’s love.   (Matt 7:1; Rev 13:15)
     
     
    At dawn he appeared again in the temple courts, where all the people gathered around him, and he sat down to teach them. 3 The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group 4 and said to Jesus, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. 5 In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?” 6 They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him.
    But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. 7 When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.” 8 Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.
    9 At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. 10 Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”
    11 “No one, sir,” she said.
    “Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.”  John 8:2-11
     
    "A man's enemies will be persons from his own household"
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in Constitutional petition filed against alternative military service law. Some folks are never happy.   
    I really don’t know what you’re talking about.  Paul was a physical Jew.  Phil 3:6,5  At his anointing, Paul became a spiritual “Jew” which @4Jah2me tried to tell you.   Spiritual “Israel” is comprised of a “little flock” of physical Jews and also…”other sheep” of physical Gentiles. (Luke 12:32; John 10:16; Acts 13:45,46; 10:45) They are one anointed flock, now known as spiritual “Jews”…”Israel”… “Jacob”. 
     “For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, 15 having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace”   Eph 2:14,15
     Our physical heritage no longer matters.  We are either “Jews”, by the anointing, “circumcision of the heart”, or “Gentiles” – “uncircumcised”.  (Rom 2:29; Heb 8:10)
     
    Sure, I can grasp the context of the article, it gave the account of Korah, and then twisted its application to excuse the reason for the existence of a "Gentile" organization - The Beast from the Sea that makes war against the saints.  Rev 13:1,2,5-8
    Tell me, are the elders "circumcised Jews"?   Are they God's priests?  Or, do they "sit"/rule over the Temple members of God?  2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2
    As I said earlier, give me one scripture where God has allowed anyone to serve or represent his priests in His temple.
    Is that so hard to ask?
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Constitutional petition filed against alternative military service law. Some folks are never happy.   
    @César Chávez  You lost big time   It gave me a laugh for a minute. Thanks.
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    Witness reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Constitutional petition filed against alternative military service law. Some folks are never happy.   
    The Apostle Paul was both a physical Jew and a Spiritual Jew.
    Philippians 3 :  from verse 4.  The Apostle Paul says about being a physical Jew : 
    If any other man thinks he has grounds for confidence in the flesh, I have more: 5  circumcised the eighth day, of the nation of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew born from Hebrews; regarding law, a Pharisee;
    And he was Anointed by Jesus Christ as a spiritual Jew. 
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Constitutional petition filed against alternative military service law. Some folks are never happy.   
    I really don’t know what you’re talking about.  Paul was a physical Jew.  Phil 3:6,5  At his anointing, Paul became a spiritual “Jew” which @4Jah2me tried to tell you.   Spiritual “Israel” is comprised of a “little flock” of physical Jews and also…”other sheep” of physical Gentiles. (Luke 12:32; John 10:16; Acts 13:45,46; 10:45) They are one anointed flock, now known as spiritual “Jews”…”Israel”… “Jacob”. 
     “For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, 15 having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace”   Eph 2:14,15
     Our physical heritage no longer matters.  We are either “Jews”, by the anointing, “circumcision of the heart”, or “Gentiles” – “uncircumcised”.  (Rom 2:29; Heb 8:10)
     
    Sure, I can grasp the context of the article, it gave the account of Korah, and then twisted its application to excuse the reason for the existence of a "Gentile" organization - The Beast from the Sea that makes war against the saints.  Rev 13:1,2,5-8
    Tell me, are the elders "circumcised Jews"?   Are they God's priests?  Or, do they "sit"/rule over the Temple members of God?  2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2
    As I said earlier, give me one scripture where God has allowed anyone to serve or represent his priests in His temple.
    Is that so hard to ask?
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Constitutional petition filed against alternative military service law. Some folks are never happy.   
    I really don’t know what you’re talking about.  Paul was a physical Jew.  Phil 3:6,5  At his anointing, Paul became a spiritual “Jew” which @4Jah2me tried to tell you.   Spiritual “Israel” is comprised of a “little flock” of physical Jews and also…”other sheep” of physical Gentiles. (Luke 12:32; John 10:16; Acts 13:45,46; 10:45) They are one anointed flock, now known as spiritual “Jews”…”Israel”… “Jacob”. 
     “For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, 15 having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace”   Eph 2:14,15
     Our physical heritage no longer matters.  We are either “Jews”, by the anointing, “circumcision of the heart”, or “Gentiles” – “uncircumcised”.  (Rom 2:29; Heb 8:10)
     
    Sure, I can grasp the context of the article, it gave the account of Korah, and then twisted its application to excuse the reason for the existence of a "Gentile" organization - The Beast from the Sea that makes war against the saints.  Rev 13:1,2,5-8
    Tell me, are the elders "circumcised Jews"?   Are they God's priests?  Or, do they "sit"/rule over the Temple members of God?  2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2
    As I said earlier, give me one scripture where God has allowed anyone to serve or represent his priests in His temple.
    Is that so hard to ask?
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Constitutional petition filed against alternative military service law. Some folks are never happy.   
    What am I opposing, Arauna?  God?  Jesus?  The Holy Scriptures?  The only thing I am opposing are lies against God, against Christ, and against the Holy Scriptures.  I oppose the Beast/organization of Rev. 13:1,2 that makes war with the anointed ones.    
    "And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to [c]continue for forty-two months. 6 Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven. 7 It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation. 8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world."    Rev 13:5-8
    The anointed have been overcome, conquered in your own organization, and all you can see is the physical glamour and physical works that you believe are blessed by God - the very organization that says, the anointed MUST NOT BOND TOGETHER.  THEY CANNOT STUDY THE BIBLE TOGETHER.  THEY MUST REMAIN QUIET, AND ACCEPT WHAT FOOD THEY RECEIVE FROM PRESUMPTUOUS MEN, WHO SAY CHRIST HAS CHRISTENED THEM AS "FAITHFUL AND DISCREET". And these men are not "inspired"!  How did they receive that message from Jesus then?  Matt 24:48-51
    Tell me, who stopped the anointed from gathering together in the first century to study God's word?  NO ONE! (1 Cor 12) What has changed?  Scripture?  Only in your organization has scripture been corrupted concerning the anointed. 
    And this doesn't concern any of you.  
    It is easy to say "these guys have forgotten what they use to know about the bible"; but "these guys" are using scriptures to defend their belief.  What are you doing?  Are you using God's word, or as Allen Smith falls back on, ad hominem attacks against the individual?  
    I so wish JWs would wake up and turn away from false prophets, who have no interest in the lives of those they have effectively deceived.
    Matt 7: 15-23; 24:24; 1 Tim 4:1; Rev 13:11,12,15; 16:13-16
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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