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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Jehovah Is Directing His Organization ??????????????   
    The only thing they are superior in, is creating deception and distorting truth.  I mean, it has been twisted in every possible way, and through deception it is still accepted as truth!
    "I know that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock. 30 Men will rise up even from your own number and distort the truth to lure the disciples into following them. 31 Therefore be on the alert, remembering that night and day for three years I never stopped warning each one of you with tears."  Acts 20:29-31
    διαστρέφω diastréphō, dee-as-tref'-o; from G1223 and G4762; to distort, i.e. (figuratively) misinterpret, or (morally) corrupt:—perverse(-rt), turn away.
    Superiority? No, not for any one of us
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Jehovah Is Directing His Organization ??????????????   
    For those JWs who don't believe in 1914, they should read this.   For those JWs who believe Christ was reigning as King when on the earth, they should take note. This is how the organization established itself, on pure lies.   How dare they use Judges 21:25, when scriptures clearly indicate that he was an established king when he came to earth. 
    My kingdom is not of this world,” said Jesus. “If my kingdom were of this world, my servants would fight, so that I wouldn’t be handed over to the Jews. But as it is, my kingdom is not from here.”
    37 “You are a king then?” Pilate asked.
    “You say that I’m a king,” Jesus replied. “I was born for this, and I have come into the world for this: to testify to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth listens to my voice.”  John 18:36-37
    "He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, having become as much superior to angels as the name he has inherited is more excellent than theirs."   Heb 1:3,4
    Who would deceive us by saying that Christ didn't become a reigning king until 1914?
    Who would desire an earthly kingdom based on the falsehood that Jesus was not reigning for 2,000 years after he was resurrected?
    Who offers the kingdoms of this world, with  riches,  prominence and rulership over people?  
    Who desired to destroy Christ?
    Who desires to destroy the members of his Body?
    Look what happened to Stephen when he tried to explain the new way of worship. He was killed, just as what happens to those who try explain  the reign of Christ.  They are termed spiritually "dead" through disfellowshipping - for rejecting an earthly organization.   Disfellowshipping is Satan's way of shutting up the truth about Christ.  The  organization  has created a "world" based on what God rejected - literal "temples" for worship, the choosing of an organizational structure based on earthly matters.  It is filled with blasphemous names and titles -  about itself and its false power and authority over God's anointed.  (Rev 13:1,2)   It is the furthest thing from spiritual righteousness.  It is the enemy of God's spiritual "organization" built on Christ. (1 Cor 12)  Doesn't God and Jesus have the power to know each heart?  Wouldn't they already know who their faithful slaves are and have been over the centuries?   How dare men assume they are superior to Jesus Christ in knowing his servants. 
    Look JWs, the organization is Satan's plan to derail God's Kingdom.  You have been deceived. Wickedness has found its pedestal - the "mountainlike organization" that destroys righteousness. 
     
    "Then the angel who was speaking with me came forward and told me, “Look up and see what this is that is approaching.”
    6 So I asked, “What is it?”
    He responded, “It’s a measuring basket that is approaching.” And he continued, “This is their iniquity in all the land.” 7 Then a lead cover was lifted, and there was a woman sitting inside the basket. 8 “This is Wickedness,” he said. He shoved her down into the basket and pushed the lead weight over its opening. 9 Then I looked up and saw two women approaching with the wind in their wings. Their wings were like those of a stork, and they lifted up the basket between earth and sky.
    10 So I asked the angel who was speaking with me, “Where are they taking the basket?”
    11 “To build a shrine for it in the land of Shinar,” he told me. “When that is ready, the basket will be placed there on its pedestal.”  Zech 5:5-11
    While there are anointed outside of the organization who "fight" on the side of Christ - who expose the WT's lies,  the GB "fights" on the side of its own established wickedness.  They haven't returned to "apostolic teachings", but are false apostles who have set a foundation of doctrine outside of scripture.   For the organization and its leaders to exalt its past leadership and its documented vault of lies, shows what king they have chosen to reign over them.   (John 8:42-47)
    The anointed are messengers - the Greek meaning of "angel".  What message do those "angels" in the organization bear?  "come to Jehovah's organization for salvation".
    What "testimony" is given by Jesus' true servants?
    Rev 14:6-12 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rev+14%3A6-13&version=CSB
    I didn't use enough scriptures to back up my words, of which I apologize.   I am responding on emotions against unrighteousness.  The sad thing, I am sure there are JWs who have blocked my comments - out of fear, a power their leaders have over them.  So, they preserve their "life" by choosing lies over truth.   
    2 Thess 2:9-12; Matt 10:37-39
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Jehovah Is Directing His Organization ??????????????   
    For those JWs who don't believe in 1914, they should read this.   For those JWs who believe Christ was reigning as King when on the earth, they should take note. This is how the organization established itself, on pure lies.   How dare they use Judges 21:25, when scriptures clearly indicate that he was an established king when he came to earth. 
    My kingdom is not of this world,” said Jesus. “If my kingdom were of this world, my servants would fight, so that I wouldn’t be handed over to the Jews. But as it is, my kingdom is not from here.”
    37 “You are a king then?” Pilate asked.
    “You say that I’m a king,” Jesus replied. “I was born for this, and I have come into the world for this: to testify to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth listens to my voice.”  John 18:36-37
    "He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, having become as much superior to angels as the name he has inherited is more excellent than theirs."   Heb 1:3,4
    Who would deceive us by saying that Christ didn't become a reigning king until 1914?
    Who would desire an earthly kingdom based on the falsehood that Jesus was not reigning for 2,000 years after he was resurrected?
    Who offers the kingdoms of this world, with  riches,  prominence and rulership over people?  
    Who desired to destroy Christ?
    Who desires to destroy the members of his Body?
    Look what happened to Stephen when he tried to explain the new way of worship. He was killed, just as what happens to those who try explain  the reign of Christ.  They are termed spiritually "dead" through disfellowshipping - for rejecting an earthly organization.   Disfellowshipping is Satan's way of shutting up the truth about Christ.  The  organization  has created a "world" based on what God rejected - literal "temples" for worship, the choosing of an organizational structure based on earthly matters.  It is filled with blasphemous names and titles -  about itself and its false power and authority over God's anointed.  (Rev 13:1,2)   It is the furthest thing from spiritual righteousness.  It is the enemy of God's spiritual "organization" built on Christ. (1 Cor 12)  Doesn't God and Jesus have the power to know each heart?  Wouldn't they already know who their faithful slaves are and have been over the centuries?   How dare men assume they are superior to Jesus Christ in knowing his servants. 
    Look JWs, the organization is Satan's plan to derail God's Kingdom.  You have been deceived. Wickedness has found its pedestal - the "mountainlike organization" that destroys righteousness. 
     
    "Then the angel who was speaking with me came forward and told me, “Look up and see what this is that is approaching.”
    6 So I asked, “What is it?”
    He responded, “It’s a measuring basket that is approaching.” And he continued, “This is their iniquity in all the land.” 7 Then a lead cover was lifted, and there was a woman sitting inside the basket. 8 “This is Wickedness,” he said. He shoved her down into the basket and pushed the lead weight over its opening. 9 Then I looked up and saw two women approaching with the wind in their wings. Their wings were like those of a stork, and they lifted up the basket between earth and sky.
    10 So I asked the angel who was speaking with me, “Where are they taking the basket?”
    11 “To build a shrine for it in the land of Shinar,” he told me. “When that is ready, the basket will be placed there on its pedestal.”  Zech 5:5-11
    While there are anointed outside of the organization who "fight" on the side of Christ - who expose the WT's lies,  the GB "fights" on the side of its own established wickedness.  They haven't returned to "apostolic teachings", but are false apostles who have set a foundation of doctrine outside of scripture.   For the organization and its leaders to exalt its past leadership and its documented vault of lies, shows what king they have chosen to reign over them.   (John 8:42-47)
    The anointed are messengers - the Greek meaning of "angel".  What message do those "angels" in the organization bear?  "come to Jehovah's organization for salvation".
    What "testimony" is given by Jesus' true servants?
    Rev 14:6-12 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rev+14%3A6-13&version=CSB
    I didn't use enough scriptures to back up my words, of which I apologize.   I am responding on emotions against unrighteousness.  The sad thing, I am sure there are JWs who have blocked my comments - out of fear, a power their leaders have over them.  So, they preserve their "life" by choosing lies over truth.   
    2 Thess 2:9-12; Matt 10:37-39
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Jehovah Is Directing His Organization ??????????????   
    As i remember one of WT representatives said exactly that before Court.
    In a child abuse case (J Lopez v Watchtower and Bible Tract Society of New York Inc.) in Apr 2016 the WTS claimed the rights of clergy in not producing documentation about the abuse under clergy-penitent privileges (19). Also, in a court case in California in 2012 the attorney for the WTS stated that;
    “I am general counsel for the National Organization of Jehovah’s Witnesses out of Brooklyn, New York…We are a hierarchical religion structured just like the Catholic Church” (20)
    I am in searching for this Court document on internet but am not successful
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in DO THE GB HAVE PLANS FOR THE COMING GREAT TRIBULATION ?   
    "The man of sin will come with the power of Satan. He will use every kind of power, including miraculous and wonderful signs. But they will be lies. 10 He will use everything that God disapproves of to deceive those who are dying, those who refused to love the truth that would save them. 11 That’s why God will send them a powerful delusion so that they will believe a lie. 12 Then everyone who did not believe the truth, but was delighted with what God disapproves of, will be condemned. 2 Thess 2:9-12 GWT
    How does God "send" the delusion?  1 Kings chapter 22 gives us an example.
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in DO THE GB HAVE PLANS FOR THE COMING GREAT TRIBULATION ?   
    Yes, I hear that word, but translated to mean -
    "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravening wolves."  Matt 7:15
    Their true identity as wolves appears when we dare question their teachings and their "authority"...as "slaves".  
    Jesus said to them, “The kings (elders) of nations  have power over their people, and those in authority call themselves friends of the people. ("beloved GB")  But you’re not going to be that way! Rather, the greatest among you must be like the youngest, and your leader must be like a servant.  Who’s the greatest, the person who sits at the table or the servant? Isn’t it really the person who sits at the table? But I’m among you as a servant."  Luke 22:25-27 GWT
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Jehovah Is Directing His Organization ??????????????   
    "It doesn’t take a genius to see what is being depicted in this illustration. This is a clear and unambiguous example of a hierarchy – right down to the numbering of the various groups or positions. It is a list of the various operational elements of the Watch Tower Society in a descending order of importance. When you look closely, you notice that even the chairs are more comfortable the higher up the ladder you happen to be! Governing Body members get plush leather executive chairs, while branch office members must make do with plain office swivel chairs. If you are an elder, you can consider yourself lucky to get a school canteen chair! Evidently the more privileged you are in God’s organization, the more seat padding you require.
    The Governing Body is now so comfortable with its authority that it sees nothing inappropriate about identifying the individual members on an organizational chart But there are other things that are noticeable about this illustration on close inspection. You notice that the current Governing Body members have vainly had their likenesses depicted in the illustration so that, when you look closely enough, they are individually recognizable.
    Perhaps of most striking significance is the one notable absentee from the illustration – Jesus Christ. True, the Society would likely argue that this is a picture depicting the earthly part of God’s organization, and Christ is in the heavenly part. Even so, this hasn’t stopped the Society from depicting Jehovah on his heavenly chariot in the same illustration. Even some of the angels are present. So why no Jesus? Especially if he is supposed to be “head of the congregation?” (Eph. 5:23)
    The answer is simple. Christ plays no role whatsoever in this organization and never actually has. His absence from this illustration may well be an oversight, but it is a telling one. The Governing Body is well and truly in charge, and they want us to know it. They take their orders from nobody but themselves. In this way, they are really no different from the Pope. In fact, take a look at this diagram I have prepared, which I believe demonstrates quite clearly that the hierarchical structures of the Catholic Church and Watch Tower Society are now eerily similar."

    https://jwsurvey.org/cedars-blog/are-jehovahs-witnesses-a-hierarchical-religion-and-does-it-matter
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in DO THE GB HAVE PLANS FOR THE COMING GREAT TRIBULATION ?   
    "The man of sin will come with the power of Satan. He will use every kind of power, including miraculous and wonderful signs. But they will be lies. 10 He will use everything that God disapproves of to deceive those who are dying, those who refused to love the truth that would save them. 11 That’s why God will send them a powerful delusion so that they will believe a lie. 12 Then everyone who did not believe the truth, but was delighted with what God disapproves of, will be condemned. 2 Thess 2:9-12 GWT
    How does God "send" the delusion?  1 Kings chapter 22 gives us an example.
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in DO THE GB HAVE PLANS FOR THE COMING GREAT TRIBULATION ?   
    Yes, I hear that word, but translated to mean -
    "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravening wolves."  Matt 7:15
    Their true identity as wolves appears when we dare question their teachings and their "authority"...as "slaves".  
    Jesus said to them, “The kings (elders) of nations  have power over their people, and those in authority call themselves friends of the people. ("beloved GB")  But you’re not going to be that way! Rather, the greatest among you must be like the youngest, and your leader must be like a servant.  Who’s the greatest, the person who sits at the table or the servant? Isn’t it really the person who sits at the table? But I’m among you as a servant."  Luke 22:25-27 GWT
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in DO THE GB HAVE PLANS FOR THE COMING GREAT TRIBULATION ?   
    I do believe the earth will be cleansed of all evil, but there's more to it. There is a physical manifestation devised by Satan to divert the attention of the anointed in the WT (and all), and a spiritual manifestation based on truth battling against lies.   I thought of posting a long article on here, but if you go directly to the blog link, the scriptures pop up, which does not work in the interests of this forum.  The article was written by the husband of Pearl Doxsey, an anointed one.
    http://armageddon-obadiah.blogspot.com/
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Jehovah Is Directing His Organization ??????????????   
    "It doesn’t take a genius to see what is being depicted in this illustration. This is a clear and unambiguous example of a hierarchy – right down to the numbering of the various groups or positions. It is a list of the various operational elements of the Watch Tower Society in a descending order of importance. When you look closely, you notice that even the chairs are more comfortable the higher up the ladder you happen to be! Governing Body members get plush leather executive chairs, while branch office members must make do with plain office swivel chairs. If you are an elder, you can consider yourself lucky to get a school canteen chair! Evidently the more privileged you are in God’s organization, the more seat padding you require.
    The Governing Body is now so comfortable with its authority that it sees nothing inappropriate about identifying the individual members on an organizational chart But there are other things that are noticeable about this illustration on close inspection. You notice that the current Governing Body members have vainly had their likenesses depicted in the illustration so that, when you look closely enough, they are individually recognizable.
    Perhaps of most striking significance is the one notable absentee from the illustration – Jesus Christ. True, the Society would likely argue that this is a picture depicting the earthly part of God’s organization, and Christ is in the heavenly part. Even so, this hasn’t stopped the Society from depicting Jehovah on his heavenly chariot in the same illustration. Even some of the angels are present. So why no Jesus? Especially if he is supposed to be “head of the congregation?” (Eph. 5:23)
    The answer is simple. Christ plays no role whatsoever in this organization and never actually has. His absence from this illustration may well be an oversight, but it is a telling one. The Governing Body is well and truly in charge, and they want us to know it. They take their orders from nobody but themselves. In this way, they are really no different from the Pope. In fact, take a look at this diagram I have prepared, which I believe demonstrates quite clearly that the hierarchical structures of the Catholic Church and Watch Tower Society are now eerily similar."

    https://jwsurvey.org/cedars-blog/are-jehovahs-witnesses-a-hierarchical-religion-and-does-it-matter
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Jehovah Is Directing His Organization ??????????????   
    Well, that false truth is being updated.  After this repetitive strong teaching, why would "Helper" Robert Luccioni even hint at the possibility of the organization not being around?  
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    Witness reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Jehovah Is Directing His Organization ??????????????   
    https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/watchtower-study-october-2020/Jehovah-Is-Directing-His-Organization/
    1. And you need to keep building your confidence that Jehovah is using his organization today.
    2 Today, Jehovah directs his organization in a way that reflects his personality, purpose, and standards. Let us consider three of Jehovah’s attributes that are reflected in his organization. 
    7. As far back as July 1881, this magazine could say: “We were not called, nor anointed to receive honor and amass wealth but to spend and be spent, and to preach the good news.
    Something went wrong there then. The Watchtower has amassed wealth and real estate. 
    11 In the first century. The governing body in Jerusalem worked unitedly to maintain order and peace among God’s people. (Acts 2:42) For example, when the issue of circumcision came to a head about 49 C.E., the governing body, under  the direction of holy spirit, considered the matter.
    There was NO governing body in the 1st century.  And the circumcision account seems to be the only account the GB can find to talk about. The Apostle Paul was no part of the Twelve in Jerusalem, and it was Paul that wrote under inspiration of Holy Spirit, to all the Congregations. It would seem that Paul had as much authority as the Twelve. 
    15 By means of “the faithful and discreet slave,” 
    Here we see this lie again. The Bible, God's word, does not give any mention as to who the F&DS is, but the GB exalt themselves to that position. 
    17 Soon, the only organization left on earth will be the one led by God’s spirit. So zealously work with Jehovah’s organization. 
    Then as Satan’s world comes to its end, you will not be fearful. Instead, you will confidently stand among those who are loyally serving with Jehovah’s organization.
    This whole article promotes the GB and the Organisation. It does not give any direction to serve God through JESUS CHRIST. 
    The only time Jesus is mentioned is in connection with the disciples. 
    How do you serve Almighty God ? 
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in DO THE GB HAVE PLANS FOR THE COMING GREAT TRIBULATION ?   
    I know that you are sure how i already know this :)) and i am sure how you saw that i try to show better perspective on matter to your sister Shirley in polite way.
    Perhaps your way of understanding on, how Shirley have personal experience with few GB members and how such contact with them caused/brought special feelings for few of GB members and in the end for all 8, is fine. 
    I don't know did you noticed how publications using word "slave" only in FDS/GB context, and word  "servants" about all other JW members. Perhaps GB have to apply Bible terminology if they want be closer to original text and spirit of words. "FDS" would be better name for image/outside look of 8 men.
    Title GB gave idea only about GOVERNING, what is in fact real function of GB in WTJWorg Administration. When you use Faithful and Discrete Slave, that sound softly, tender and cause more sympathy in the listener. Slave!  Do you hear that word? Man feels sorry for the one who is a slave.
    If JW members want to apply Mat 24 on GB,  than you also need to accept fact how illustration in Matthew speaking about slave's responsibility or to be in charge only for one function: to to give, to share food that is already ready and prepared. Jesus is Bread and Water, Jesus is Food. His Teachings and Role Model are that Food. Well, job for "slave" is only to share what Jesus thought people, in words and in deeds. Nothing about governing over "servants". Jesus is King and Governor. 
    Of course, GB members have good life, and are not slaves at all. They are not slaves in any aspect of the meaning of that word. They are not slaves even in the context of Matthew 24.
    I am sure you already know what i think of this issue  
     
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    Witness reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in DO THE GB HAVE PLANS FOR THE COMING GREAT TRIBULATION ?   
    @Shirley Lowery  I'm sorry to read your words of worship toward your GB.  It really is so sad that you think your GB are directed by God's Holy Spirit, because they even admit that they are not....  As you say, in the eyes of JW's I am an apostate. But the disciples were also apostates, apostate to the Jewish religion or way of life. Remember that they stopped offering animal sacrifices and were accused of many things by the Pharisees.   So, my being apostate to the JW religion does not stop me serving God through Christ. 
    There is so much GB worshipping on this forum it is sickening.  Give praise only to Almighty God through Jesus Christ. 
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    Witness reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in DO THE GB HAVE PLANS FOR THE COMING GREAT TRIBULATION ?   
    I think this proves how much you worship your Governing Body.  
     
    You have proof ?  No...... But by their works you will know them.  And their works show that they have exalted themselves as mentioned in Luke  14 v 11
    For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.”
    From 1927 until 2012, this faithful and discreet slave was interpreted as all anointed Jehovah’s Witnesses. (see Jehovah’s Witnesses – Proclaimers of God’s Kingdom, p.626).
    Since July 15 2013, Jehovah’s Witnesses have been told – and now believe – that the “Faithful & Discreet slave” is their governing body only. Confirmation of this fact is found in  The Watchtower July 15 2013 page 21, paragraph 10:
    And your Governing Body has told all the Anointed Ones NOT to meet together, and your GB have threatened the Anointed ones that if they DO meet together they will be 'working against the Holy spirit'.
    Your Governing Body are NOT  referred to in the Bible, as The Faithful and Discreet Slave! 
    In fact no one in the bible is referred to regarding the F&DS. It is a Question asked in the bible.   Matthew  24 v 45
     “Who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time?
    However  your GB chooses to misuse this scripture to pretend it is them, BUT, they deliberately deny verses 48 & 49 of the same chapter which does refer to them. 
     “But if ever that evil slave says in his heart, ‘My master is delaying,’b 49  and he starts to beat his fellow slaves and to eat and drink with the confirmed drunkards, 
    The Watchtower Society and JW Organisation Leaders have never looked to God or Christ for guidance. If they had done so they would never have made false predictions about Armageddon.  They continue to do so even to this day.  They tell people that we are living in the final part of the final day, when the scriptures tell us that no one will know the day or the hour.  
    I strongly suggest you stop worshipping the GB and start serving God through Christ
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in DO THE GB HAVE PLANS FOR THE COMING GREAT TRIBULATION ?   
    I respect your choice of words and feelings. 
    What is little quirky is that individual (you in this example) using their Title, Function and Position they as individuals have in Company aka WTJWorg. I would understand and accept that you consider them as nice or dear or loving. Because your inner person have such feelings and perception. 
    What make visible difference is way and purpose when you address them in, i would say informal context, on Forum like this. I think that would be impossible (for now) to hear GB members how start their public talk or Letter with: "Our beloved Members". :)) It is more "natural" to say Our beloved Brothers....in mutual communication.   
    To speak of them as "Our beloved Governing Body" is a clear acceptance of stratification and classification, to those who are clergy and to those who are layman.
    Why is it not good that you express yourself like that? But you are not to be called ‘Rabbi,’ for you have one Teacher, and you are all brothers. - Mat 23
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    Witness reacted to Shirley Lowery in DO THE GB HAVE PLANS FOR THE COMING GREAT TRIBULATION ?   
    In reply to my statement, our beloved  Governing Body, I can say this from my personal meeting of some of our Governing Body Members!  These are most friendly, kind, and caring men I've ever met!  In 2006,  I met Br. Samuel F. Herd, at one of my Circuit Assemblies!  In 2010, I met Br. David Splane at my "REMAIN CLOSE TO  JEHOVAH"  District Convention, and I've met Br. Stephen Lett, twice. The first time I met him was in 2012, at our "SAFEGUARD  YOUR HEART" District Convention, and in 2015, at our "IMITATE JESUS" District Convention. Another has changed since then, now it's not called "District" it's been renamed "Regional". I have the original photos taken with them too!  These imperfect men were appointed to our Governing Body, that Jehovah entrusted though his holy spirit to take care of his Worldwide Organization. Now, there is so much for these appointed members to take care of, now they have appointed helpers to different committees. In 2020, this was the first time ever, The Governing Body, through Jehovah's holy spirit guiding them, had to make several major decisions. First, was the decision about The Memorial, since it couldn't be held at our Kingdomhalls, it was announced  in a letter from The Governing Body, that  we had to have it on Zoom!  So, we had to have the Memorial Celebration in our own private homes, on that most sacred night, and some had  prepared  the  unleavened bread, and had a glass of wine next to it, and displayed their beautiful table settings with their precious emblems!  The next major decision that had to be made was what to decide about having our "ALWAYS REJOICE" Regional Convention. We couldn't hold it in other countries, like they used to have years ago, because of the Pandemic, so another letter from The Governing Body, said, we were going to have all 3 days on JW Stream, but it was by invitation only, and it was sent to all our emails! We happily viewed it different days and  enjoyed all 3 days of our most needed Spiritual Food. Yes, I personally feel that  these appointed imperfect men,, is our beloved  Governing Body, also referred to in the Bible, as The Faithful and Discreet Slave! These 8 appointed imperfect men: Stephen Lett, David Splane, Gerrit Losch, Geoffrey Jackson, Samuel F. Herd, Mark Sanderson, Anthony Morris 111, and newly appointed Kenneth Cook Jr. are a small group of mature Christians who provide direction for Jehovah's Witnesses worldwide. Their work is twofold: They oversee the preparation of Bible- based  instruction through the publications, meetings, and school's of  Jehovah's Witnesses! They look to the Universal Sovereign, Jehovah, and to the Head of the congregation, Jesus, for guidance. You can find all this information in my reply on J.W. Org!
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in DO THE GB HAVE PLANS FOR THE COMING GREAT TRIBULATION ?   
    3) At that time, the life-saving direction that we receive from Jehovah’s organization may not appear practical from a human standpoint. All of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not. (4)  - https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/pl/r1/lp-e?q=w13 11%2F15 20
    You must obey the law, because it’s illegal to break the law. - John Doe
    Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. - Rom 13
    “We must obey God rather than men. - Act 5
    Please tell me, which of this claims are Circular Reasoning?
    1) GB teach Russian JW that they must obey secular authorities.
    2) After that they said to them that they must obey God rather than men.
    3) And, on top of that, they tell them that they have to be ready to obey the (special) instructions that will come from GB.
    What Russian JW's doing to obey secular governments laws? What they are doing that causes their arresting and in imprisonment? They are in very original situation, because all assemblies are outside the law. Well, is it individual conscience and understanding allowed how to harmonize two sort of obedience? And the third sort - obedient to GB, which is in fact under "men", human factor? 
    If JW's decide to be disobedient to Rom 13 rule, than have to be prepared on consequences. Same is with Act 5.
    But when JW's choose to obey GB instructions, question arise: Whom they (JW) respect and obey?  
    It would not surprise me to hear how GB gave instruction to Russian elders and JW's, to have secret meetings, to have forbidden literature and so on. To be in prison not looks very "practical and sound". But it seems how GB giving exactly such directives to them. (there is a possibility that some JWs have resented other people, privately or because of preaching zealousness, so they are now denouncing them)
     
     
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in DO THE GB HAVE PLANS FOR THE COMING GREAT TRIBULATION ?   
    To make little digress. "Wait on JHVH" is the best advice given in publication. But this recommendation is functional only for "final thing", for example Armageddon. 
    In all other "earthly" issues we have permission to act as we think is the best. That would include to react in a second, or next day. That would mean to make plan/plans for shorter or longer period in future, and we can consider such patient attitude as sort of "wait on".
    Your brothers in Russia, let’s take that example, are also waiting. On what and on whom?
    JW's sent millions of letters, and millions of prayers. WTJWorg lawyers sued Russian government. Russia did not respond on your letters and JHVH did not respond on your prayers. World Courts in EU or worldwide done what they are done.
    What instructions (that are not practical from human standpoint) GB gave and giving to Russian JW's? Do you know? If yes, inform us please.
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    Witness reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in DO THE GB HAVE PLANS FOR THE COMING GREAT TRIBULATION ?   
    @Shirley Lowery  you are confusing Almighty God, with 8 men running a group of Organisations. 
    I am not one of JWs, but i was one for long enough to know the lies and deceit and false predictions of your Leaders, from the 1960's onward. And I know enough about the Child Sexual Abuse / Pedophilia in the Watchtower / JW org / CCJW Earthwide, to know that God and Christ do not favour your organisations. 
    You might take note that my questioning was not toward Almighty God. If you had bothered to read my original comment properly you would find that i have great faith in God through Christ. I was questioning those 8 men that control you. 
    I think you need to do some research about your GB, they have in fact admitted that they are not inspired of God's Holy spirit. They admit that they get things wrong. 
    And it seems quite funny, no sad actually, that you are putting your trust in such material things as buildings, Warwick and Ramapo. JWs seem to need material things and men to put their trust in.  And also strange that the GB say that 'we are in the last part of the final day of the end of this system' BUT you are looking forward to Ramapo being completed in 2026.
    @TrueTomHarley What do you think Tom ?  Is there another 6 years to go ? Or are we in the final part of the final day of this old system of things ?  If the GB are spending your money on building another 'tower to the heavens' then they must think this old system is going to last for a long time yet. 
    Sorry Shirley but I think you should do your own research into your GB and into it's organisations and real estate offices.  
    I love God through Christ, not through your GB. 
     
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in DO THE GB HAVE PLANS FOR THE COMING GREAT TRIBULATION ?   
    Exactly same as with word trinity.
    Because trinity as word not exists in Bible, logic tell us that trinity is not Bible Teaching.
    Because words governing body not exists in Bible text, logic tell us that this is not Bible Teaching.
    :))
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in DO THE GB HAVE PLANS FOR THE COMING GREAT TRIBULATION ?   
    You’re entire statement is very confusing.  God, organization, and the beloved GB, are melded into your concept of obedience and love for God; which are the pitfalls of centralized religion, centralized authority.   To worship in spirit and truth (John 4:23,24) requires one’s heart to be fully committed to God and Christ, not to an established, worldly religion. (they are all worldly religions)  But the spiritually immoral “kings” at 1 Kings Drive in Warwick, have replaced Jesus Christ.  This is obvious by no mention of him in your comment. (1 Sam 8:6-20; Ps 2:1-12 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Sam+8%3A6-20%3B+Ps+2%3A1-12&version=WEB )
    Anyone, whom Jesus Christ sends to speak “truth”, which is “good fruit”, should exalt him, and not themselves – and certainly not an organization they have created.  (John 13:20; Matt 7:15-20; Luke 14:11; 2 Cor 10:4,5; 11:20)  Any who exalt themselves, reject both the Father and the Son.  Even Jesus Christ didn’t exalt himself.(Heb 5:5; Phil 2:9-11)  
    Obviously, in your vision is only the GB; oh, and the elders not anointed.  Well, where are the rest of the anointed ones?  Could it be that Jesus has something to tell you through them? (Mal 2:7; 1 Pet 2:5,9; John 14:26)  If that anointed Body could unite in truth under the Spirit of Christ, think of the spiritual blessings all JWs would receive. (Rom 12:3-8; 1 Cor 12:12-26) This is what God expects, but your beloved GB direct the elder body not to allow this. (Matt 24:48-51; Rev 13:6,7,11,12)
    What will JWs do when these prophetic harlots/”kings” are gone?
    (Hos 13:9-11; Jer 4:30; Ezek 23:35,37-41,45,29,30; Rev 17:1,2,6,12,16,17)
     
    I suppose the GB will choose which buildings will survive Armageddon.  This appears to be their choice, since @Srecko made very good points under …  https://www.theworldnewsmedia.org/topic/88359-witnesses-sell-elim-buys/
    Buildings come and go, according the kings’ whim.  Your confusion about preparation for Armageddon is interesting.  As a JW you are told to let go of this world’s pursuits; while the GB are in pursuit of all that this world provides.  Armageddon takes place in the valley of decision – in the deep recesses of our heart.  We can choose to rely on men and their vacillating whims, ideas, and teachings; or we follow and obey the teachings of only…Jesus Christ. (Joel 3:14)
     
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Witnesses sell, Elim buys   
    Nothing about nostalgia. :)) The fact is that I accidentally came across this information that talks about exactly one purchase in which the seller and the buyer are know by name. JW members have only one-sided general information, and that is that GB ordered the sale of the property. The JW website has never and will never publish that “true religion” has sold its “home of worship” to some other “false religion”.
    To recall your memory i will mention how GB teaching newly interested person on Bible study. If they got some jewelry representing religious symbols, he is instructed to destroy such an object and not sell it. Because that would mean promoting paganism and apostasy. Here, GB purposely, deliberately sold so called "clean item aka Branch Office or KH" which will be inhabited by a “false religion” that promotes hostility to YHVH. WHAT ABSURDITY, WHAT HYPOCRISY!
    Old or new information, it doesn't matter. The Real Truth is never old.
    GB error doctrines are "old light and new light" aka "truths".
    The Real Truth is never old, and will never become old. That must be scary, it causes fear, for JW apologists who decide to stay blind for "light".
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in JUST HOW BIG OF A DEBACLE, WAS THE PROPHESY OF 1975?   
    Consciousness of guilt is the inference that the defendant knows that he is guilty of a crime because he has taken one or more of the following actions after it. These actions include:
    1-Fleeing from the crime scene or jurisdiction,
    2-False alibies,
    3-Changing or altering personal appearance,
    4-Hiding or destroying evidence,
    5-Bribing a witness,
    6-Intimidating a witness or even killing a witness.
    1-GB flees the crime scene by announcing a “new light”. They have no problem with "jurisdiction", because GB is only one that is entitled to make decisions about everything.
    2-An alibi is that they invoke imperfection and that a mistake can happen to them. That the apostles also made mistakes.
    3-They present themselves as FDS anointed by Jesus and JHVH. Evil people outside spiritual paradise want to harm GB and organization so they produce lies and subverting false evidence. Ex-JW are wolves and GB+Helpers+Elders are humble Shepherds.
    4-Hiding and destroying evidence is done in such a way that members are given the idea that they must keep up with "God's chariot." That one should not look back. Real hiding and destroying evidence is done by WT lawyers under GB command.
    5-Witness bribery is done by telling them (members) that we all have to wait for YHVH to resolve irregularities in the organization.
    6-GB called their opponents as those who lie, reverse statements, twist statements and quotes, misrepresent facts, don't understand, not qualified to interpret Bible, are spiritually weak to accept changes. If this not work, GB "courses" them with dfd and shunning with heavy emotional and psychological blackmail, with condemnation how they are apostates and enemies of God. They gave them names such "despicable" and similar, who deserves to be destroyed, "near soon". 
    Please be free to add or change if needed :))
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