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What exactly would be this issue cited here. That there are over 170,000 thousand brothers having to suffer due to Satan’s encroachment of God’s faithful servants? Why would modern times be any different with that of the old testament era or for that matter the new testament era. The word “SOON” is a word synonymous with the word “HOPE”. And in order to have hope you need another word “FAITH”. Apparently, the memo has alluded some here, when God’s cleans his house of impurities, it starts with his utmost “loyal” ones. That’s the beauty of 1 Peter 1:7 when citing the living GOD. The mere “fact” that apostasy has driven some to become inpatient won’t speed up God’s plan for the ages. Human emotions won’t change God’s plan. Putin’s world view is to return Russia back to its former glory under the Soviet Union, and reclaim all land lost. To accomplish that, it cannot have civil minded peaceful people to be honest when reporting the conditions inside Russia. Remember the “AWAKE” is a world view magazine. It has in the past conflicted with journalistic endeavors as many honest journalist has been killed in Russia for speaking out about conditions in Russia. But to kill a law-abiding citizen from a well-known religious group, it would be viewed by the world as barbaric and inhuman. Even the simplest things like opinionating on the outcome of this case by Witnesses of a Supreme Court Judge that is a former Jehovah’s Witness “hater” would be the very reason the Russian Government would label the Watchtower as extremist. They can’t have that type of negative publicity. So, the only solution is, if they can’t kill them, kick them out. So, the mere fact that none of our brothers have come into harm’s way, is a very “good” indication that GOD is looking out for these faithful brothers. And the Watchtower as the first century Christian that fled the Roman Sword under Roman rule for being Christian will find a way to cope with the conditions they find themselves in. So, for those of you that enjoy the freedom of “criticizing” the Watchtower and their fellow brethren? Remember this, NOTHING is forever in Satan’s World. That’s why, we all must be thankful every day for everything that GOD has given us. Remember only GOD can give us what we faithfully await for, be it in life or death. People seem to forget that the dead will be judged also, so what we do in life will count in death. But only GOD can give us what government can’t, even in a free society: “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.” 1776 After all, how many times has the highlighted above been exercised.

@ Queen Esther ALL JW knowing, and the millions of humans which got it How about the billions of humans that haven’t GOT IT! It seems reasonable to make an invitation whenever the opportunity presents itself. Luke 4:43 or is that forbidden by you “administrators”. If so, then make it clear on the Librarians startup web page.

As a long-standing opponent of Jehovah’s Witnesses? Why would it seem strange for people, that Elders and attendants turn their backs on a reviler? 2 Corinthians 2:16-17 Context: Triumph in Christ 16To the one, we are an odor of death and demise; to the other, a fragrance that brings life. And who is qualified for such a task? 17For we are not like so many others, who peddle the word of God for profit. On the contrary, in Christ, we speak before God with sincerity, as men sent from God. It would have been stranger to have tossed this individual out of a public arena.

Excellent article. Well, at least there are some not willing to allow riffraff on their personal website or suggest the website is a source for spiritual education, and enrichment. Apostasy usually deviates from the truth, only to become self-proclaimed authoritarian movement with an endless use of deception.

Due diligence with interpretation would therefore constitute discernment with wisdom. Aside from that, it has always been the criteria for the WTS to teach those to follow God’s Law with the proper context and intended view. Exact knowledge of bible truth has not changed. If not we run the risk of overstepping our personal view to satisfy our own needs, Not God’s commands. Insight Volume 2 Thus, although God had not given a detailed law code, as he later did with the Israelites, men were not without some means for determining right and wrong conduct. Idolatry, for example, had not yet been specifically condemned by a stated law. Nonetheless, as the apostle Paul shows, such practice was inexcusable inasmuch as God’s “invisible qualities are clearly seen from the world’s creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship.” The venerating and rendering of “sacred service to the creation rather than the One who created” was against all reason. Those following such an empty-headed course would thereafter deviate into other unrighteous practices, such as homosexuality, changing “the natural use of themselves into one contrary to nature.” Again, even though no specific law had been given, such practice was obviously contrary to the way of God the Creator, as the very structure of the male and female manifested. Man, having been originally made in God’s image, had intelligence sufficient to see these things. Hence, he was responsible before God if he went contrary to God’s way; he was sinning, ‘missing the mark,’ even without a specifically stated law to charge him with guilt.—Ro 1:18-27; compare Ro 5:13. [p.223] (1 Corinthians 14:1) 14 Pursue love, yet keep striving for the spiritual gifts, but preferably that you may prophesy. 2 For the one who speaks in a tongue speaks, not to men, but to God, for no one listens, but he speaks sacred secrets by the spirit. 3 However, the one who prophesies builds up and encourages and consoles men by his speech. 4 The one who speaks in a tongue builds up himself, but the one who prophesies builds up a congregation. Any other discussion we have had on this topic, involves mistaken identity. Why would there be a need for a discussion on that. Are we to understand, if an insinuation is rendered? Then we must accept that JWinsider, HollyW, Ann O’maly are one and the same person? Psalms 75: 5-7 5 Do not exalt your strength up high Or speak with arrogance. 6 For exaltation does not come From the east or the west or the south. 7 For God is Judge. He puts one man down and exalts another.

Then, you are injecting your personal view on how the Society should work. When God entrusted a Prophet, did that make that Prophet Perfect? What you are suggesting is to trust the words of men, just like you can’t seem to understand the trust and faith belongs to Jehovah, not with men that make insinuations of what the Society has or hasn’t done, or what it should or shouldn’t do. That would only demonstrate the lack of faith one has, and that’s the kind of behavior you continue to suggest, is acceptable. Therefore, how humbling is it in the eyes of God, when we demonstrate lack of faith by not allowing Gods Holy Spirit make the adjustments needed to answer a complex situation that NOT even secular governments, religions or institutions have been able to solve. Mark 7:8 Context: Tradition and Worship 8You have disregarded the commandment of God to keep the tradition of men. The ultimate answer, is we need Gods government to succeed this broken system, not prolong it by mindless ideology. Then we run the risk of presumption, such as thinking someone like me, wouldn’t know the bethel house and its inner function. Singling out the WTS for the purpose to cause outrage is by no means a solution. Exaggerating statistics is by no means a solution. Promoting incompetence is by no means a solution. Promoting gods Laws unacceptable is by no means a solution. Yet, this are the things you agree with. Only true witnesses understand and know the past of certain things that have occurred. Having to debate with a bunch of thespians (Actors and Actresses) that by far get their information from apostasy sites that are loaded with fabrications, serve no purpose to disregard Gods commandments. We are in no position to decide who is best qualified to receive Gods Holy spirit. Making such a claim defeats the purpose of scripture. Wasn’t that the presumption made by the Pharisees with Jesus? Then, if God has found an imperfect human to entrust him to dispense the spiritual food at the proper time, then God is entrusting that same individual with shepherding the whole flock. Who are we to impose our own will above Gods? By being suggestive. You know more than anyone should know about trust issues of the 80’s Example Response from the WTS: "It is not within the province of the Society nor of the elders to tell individuals what they should do when working in employment requiring them to maintain confidentiality. Each one will have to be responsible for his own actions before Jehovah. It is necessary to preserve one's relationship with Jehovah and to protect the organization, but each one will have to bear his own load of responsibility in this area. The Scriptures plainly teach that there is nothing hidden that will not be revealed and no one can indefinitely continue to deceive Jehovah, his organization or their congregation with which he might be associated. The decision to reveal confidential information concerning possible wrongdoing on the part of a person claiming to be a Christian ultimately rests with the person who has come to know of it." [1987] You know the WTS was always being sued for frivolous things back in the 80’s 819 F.2d 875 93 A.L.R.Fed. 737, 56 USLW 2007 Janice PAUL, a/k/a/ Janice Perez, Plaintiff-Appellant, v. WATCHTOWER BIBLE AND TRACT SOCIETY OF NEW YORK, INC., Defendants-Appellee. No. 85-4012. United States Court of Appeals, Ninth Circuit. Argued and Submitted March 7, 1986. Decided June 10, 1987. The U.S. Supreme Court ruled Watchtower can shun ex-Jehovah's Witnesses in the case titled "819 F. 2d 875 - Paul v. Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York Inc"and referring in turn to Cf. Jones v. Wolf, 443 U.S. 595, 99 S.Ct. 3020, 61 L.Ed.2d 775 (1979); Turner v. Unification Church, 473 F.Supp. 367 (D.R.I.1978), aff'd, 602 F.2d 458 (1st Cir.1979) So it is the proposition that is lacking discernment. It would be no different to think, let’s say the Australian government wouldn’t adhere to international laws that pertain to the SORNA, 42 USC §16911 legislation. People here think that a sex act that has no conviction is not registrable. The USA has such laws and those laws are respected by the international community. What they don’t understand is, the courts have discretion on how to handle a certain case. The Police Department can retain information on a suspected sex offender, or those considered to be a danger to the public that have not gone through the system. The police department hold a mandatory public information list for such matters. But it’s senseless to explain that to a clueless person. Victorian Consolidated Acts Sex Offenders Registration Act 2004 No. 56 of 2004 S. 6(6)(b) amended by No.55/2009 s.48(2) c) he or she is a registrable offender only because he or she is subject to a sex offender registration order and that order is quashed on appeal So, unless you know the law, it would be pointless to search the internet for a quick response to win an argument. It would also be disingenuous to suggest who hide things when all the facts are not revealed. But sometimes, we tend to misunderstand other people spoken words, Like in Bro. Jackson case.

Yes, your missing the point of jumping to conclusions. There seems to be a pattern of that here. The fact that you stipulate the WTS hide things, is not congruent to scripture. No different than jumping to conclusions just because you state your an ex-bethelite. Just because you were at the Bethel House, doesn't make you an expert. You weren't privy to all the inner workings of the Bethel House. So your exaggeration is not different than any other person here that criticizes the WTS. I don't expect you to defend the WTS, but then again, don't lie about them either. That's what you do when you agree with "thespians" here.

Then your stupider than he is. intelligence. I know you are but what am I, children!!!!!!!!!!!!!

your as ignorant as your rant JWinsider. Have you ever considered, that Allen Smith is my Brother? Proverbs 13:16 16Every prudent man acts with knowledge, But a fool displays folly. Now, what were you saying some time ago, about such experiments being a kind of “Deception”. I see you don’t heed you own words JWinsider. And you call yourself an ex-bethelite. Buddy, you should have been disfellowshipped long ago!!!!

I couldn’t have said it any better. Somehow, Jah brings meaningless rhetoric, and insinuations…to a halt. And it usually starts with the poster. Sorry, this page isn't available. The link you followed may be broken, or the page may have been removed. Go back to Instagram.

And that's based on only your word, when the media hasn't mentioned it. That doesn't make you credible just a sensantionalist

This is interesting. Was this posted with all the facts, or just to sensationalize once again the media report. All APOSTASY sites, don’t have a definitive answer, even though there seems to be one here. “Strange”. What seems odd is the confirmation this person was and Elder, yet the indicating posted websites DON’T mention his religion. Further odd, is in the manner, the charge was made in July 15, 2016, and on July 18, 2016 a blogger or reporter claims that a 27-year-old man is facing charges of sexual battery, when his actual age is 37. I wonder if this disfellowshipped person committed the crime on or before he was disfellowshipped. 2016-2009= 7-year window of observation. Does anyone actually have proof this crime was perpetrated while he was an active witness, instead of just word of mouth that constitutes hearsay evidence? not to being disfellowshipped which would indicate guilt of something. But the timing of the crime. That's why the words of scripture are so important to apply honestly. Matthew 18:15-17 / Matthew 7:1-29

Allen, I understand the necessity to point out the flaws and misapplication of people that only focus on one small part of something, rather than the entire picture to hide their own fallacies. By those standards. The “entire” world is flawed. Pity, they don’t seem to see their own flaws, when they misinterpret someone else's thought.

It is futile to go on bantering back and forth, JWT. As you attack my person continually, it shows me that truly, love is not found in the organization by most Am I the organization or just an individual as you.; although, there are exceptions among JWs on this forum. Unfortunately, there are some JW’s here blinded by Satan and don’t defend the truth as needed. Since you have no idea just how important it is for JWs to wake up; I actually do consider that. And the reasoning behind interjecting the truth to a misleading site. and thinking I am here because of hate for my own brothers and sisters, is it out of love you mislead these people, or is it just a personal gratification as others have to criticize and organization you have yet to understand. I am saddened to think that when Christ visibly arrives, once again, then you are misleading the public with such misapplication of bible truth. You continue to claim the bible flawed and Contradictory, when in reality it’s you. those of the majority, whether part of the Body of Christ or all sheep, will still be found protecting their great mountain like organization. And yet contrary to your personal opinion? the Governing Body of Jehovah’s witnesses by obeying our constitution the BIBLE shepherd the flock as instructed by the Head of the Congregation (Church) Jesus Christ. Well I can’t base myself on what publications I use. If I use my own, then people complain that I am biased. If I use other publication to illustrate the similarities that other Christian authors have, people complain I am bias and not willing to defend the WTS. So those words mean nothing to me. Now, you complain that I have treated you harshly with a clear and concise form. You however, want to hide your criticism through soft medaphors, which amount to the same thing. So those words mean nothing to me. You accuse me of hating you, when I don’t even know you. I criticize your ideology which is different than taking a personal stance on 7 men, you do not know, since they haven’t opinionated on your ideology to criticize it. So, that makes it a one-sided argument with them, And that’s the difference. So those words mean nothing to me. When I debated with a Catholic Cardinal. I argued his stance on religion, NOT the POPES.I didn’t revert to Catholic Publications, it was one on one with scripture. Get the idea!!! Law of Conscience. The Bible shows this results from persons having ‘the law written in their hearts.’ Those not under a direct law from God, such as the Law given through Moses, are shown to be “a law to themselves,” for their consciences cause them to be “accused or even excused” in their own thoughts. (Ro 2:14, 15) Many just laws in pagan societies reflect this conscience, originally placed in their forefather Adam and passed down through Noah. —See CONSCIENCE. At 1 Corinthians 8:7 the apostle Paul says that lack of accurate Christian knowledge could result in a weak conscience. Conscience can be a good guide or a poor one, depending upon the knowledge and training of the individual. (1Ti 1:5; Heb 5:14) One’s conscience can be defiled and, therefore, can mislead. (Tit 1:15) Some, by constantly going contrary to conscience, cause it to become like insensitive scar tissue, and consequently no safe guide to follow. —1Ti 4:1, 2. [IsV2 pp.220-221 John 18:36 Context: Jesus Before Pilate 36Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world; if it were, my servants would fight to prevent My arrest by the Jews. But now, my kingdom is not of this realm. Luke 8:10 Context: The Parable of the Sower 10He replied, “The knowledge of the mysteries of the kingdom of God has been given to you, but to others I speak in parables, so that, ‘Though seeing they may not see; though hearing, they may not understand. John 8:44-45 context: The Children of the Devil 44You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out his desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, refusing to uphold the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, because he is a liar and the father of lies. 45But because I speak the truth, you do not believe Me!

It would seem the article in the Watchtower is correct with it's biblical description of SIN!!!!! 1 John 2:2 Context: Jesus Our Advocate 2He Himself is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not for ours alone, but also for the sins of the whole world. Matthew Henry Commentary 2:1,2 When have an Advocate with the Father; one who has undertaken, and is fully able, to plead in behalf of every one who applies for pardon and salvation in his name, depending on his pleading for them. He is Jesus, the Saviour, and Christ, the Messiah, the Anointed. He alone is the Righteous One, who received his nature pure from sin, and as our Surety perfectly obeyed the law of God, and so fulfilled all righteousness. All men, in every land, and through successive generations, are invited to come to God through this all-sufficient atonement, and by this new and living way. The gospel, when rightly understood and received, sets the heart against all sin, and stops the allowed practice of it; at the same time, it gives blessed relief to the wounded consciences of those who have sinned. Revelation 21:3 Context: A New Heaven and a New Earth 3And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying: “Behold, the dwelling place of God is with man, and He will live with them. They will be His people, and God Himself will be with them as their God. Matthew Henry Commentary 21:1-8 The new heaven and the new earth will not be separate from each other; the earth of the saints, their glorified, bodies, will be heavenly. The old world, with all its troubles and tumults, will have passed away. There will be no sea; this aptly represents freedom from conflicting passions, temptations, troubles, changes, and alarms; from whatever can divide or interrupt the communion of saints. This new Jerusalem is the church of God in its new and perfect state, the church triumphant. Its blessedness came wholly from God, and depends on him. The presence of God with his people in heaven, will not be interrupt as it is on earth, he will dwell with them continually. All effects of former trouble shall be done away. They have often been in tears, by reason of sin, of affliction, of the calamities of the church; but no signs, no remembrance of former sorrows shall remain. Christ makes all things new. If we are willing and desirous that the gracious Redeemer should make all things new in order hearts and nature, he will make all things new in respect of our situation, till he has brought us to enjoy complete happiness. See the certainty of the promise. God gives his titles, Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End, as a pledge for the full performance. Sensual and sinful pleasures are muddy and poisoned waters; and the best earthly comforts are like the scanty supplies of a cistern; when idolized, they become broken cisterns, and yield only vexation. But the joys which Christ imparts are like waters springing from a fountain, pure, refreshing, abundant, and eternal. The sanctifying consolations of the Holy Spirit prepare for heavenly happiness; they are streams which flow for us in the wilderness. The fearful durst not meet the difficulties of religion, their slavish fear came from their unbelief; but those who were so dastardly as not to dare to take up the cross of Christ, were yet so desperate as to run into abominable wickedness. The agonies and terrors of the first death will lead to the far greater terrors and agonies of eternal death. Revelation 20:5 Context: Satan Bound 5The rest of the dead did not come back to life until the thousand years were complete. This is the first resurrection. Matthew Henry Commentary 20:4-6 Here is an account of the reign of the saints, for the same space of time as Satan is bound. Those who suffer with Christ, shall reign with him in his spiritual and heavenly kingdom, in conformity to him in his wisdom, righteousness, and holiness: this is called the first resurrection, with which none but those who serve Christ, and suffer for him, shall be favoured. The happiness of these servants of God is declared. None can be blessed but those that are holy; and all that are holy shall be blessed. We know something thing of what the first death is, and it is very awful; but we know not what this second death is. It must be much more dreadful; it is the death of the soul, eternal separation from God. May we never know what it is: those who have been made partakers of a spiritual resurrection, are saved from the power of the second death. We may expect that a thousand years will follow the destruction of the antichristian, idolatrous, persecuting powers, during which pure Christianity, in doctrine, worship, and holiness, will be made known over all the earth. By the all-powerful working of the Holy Spirit, fallen man will be new-created; and faith and holiness will as certainly prevail, as unbelief and unholiness now do. We may easily perceive what a variety of dreadful pains, diseases, and other calamities would cease, if all men were true and consistent Christians. All the evils of public and private contests would be ended, and happiness of every kind largely increased. Every man would try to lighten suffering, instead of adding to the sorrows around him. It is our duty to pray for the promised glorious days, and to do everything in our public and private stations which can prepare for them. Ezekiel 28:15 Context: A Lament over the King of Tyre 15"You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created Until unrighteousness was found in you. The definition of perfection means “lacking nothing essential to the whole; complete of its nature or kind”. From a Christian perspective, the definition of perfection means being without sin. Adam and Eve must have been created with the power of choice, or God would not have given them a command and punished them for disobeying it. No one, not even Eve who was deceived by Satan, Judas of whom it is said that “Satan entered into him” (Jn:13:27), or Ananias and Sapphira whose hearts “Satan filled...to lie to the Holy Ghost” (Acts:5:3) can blame his or her sin on the devil; nor does God ever tempt man to sin (Jas 1:13), much less cause anyone to sin. All are without excuse. Physically Definition: Physical, bodily, corporeal, corporal agree in pertaining to the body. Physical indicates connected with, pertaining to, the animal or human body as a material organism: physical strength, exercise. Bodily means belonging to, concerned with, the human body as distinct from the mind or spirit: bodily pain or suffering. Question: Can a person be perfect, if it’s body is aging and diseased? Mentally Definition: 1. Of or relating to the mind; intellectual: mental powers. 2. Executed or performed by the mind; existing in the mind: mental images of happy times. 3. a. Slang Emotionally upset; crazed: got mental when he saw the dent in his new car. b. Offensive Slang Mentally ill or intellectually impaired. c. Often Offensive Intended for people with mental illness or intellectual impairment. Question: Can a person be perfect, if it’s thoughts are impure by lust, sex, drugs…etc. Morally Definition: 1. Of or concerned with the judgment of right or wrong of human action and character: moral scrutiny; a moral quandary. 2. Teaching or exhibiting goodness or correctness of character and behavior: a moral lesson. 3. Conforming to standards of what is right or just in behavior; virtuous: a moral life. 4. Arising from conscience or the sense of right and wrong: a moral obligation. 5. Having psychological rather than physical or tangible effects: a moral victory; moral support. 6. Based on strong likelihood or firm conviction, rather than on the actual evidence: a moral certainty. n. 1. The lesson or principle contained in or taught by a fable, a story, or an event. 2. A concisely expressed precept or general truth; a maxim: likes to follow the moral "To each, his own." 3. morals Rules or habits of conduct, especially of sexual conduct, with reference to standards of right and wrong: a person of loose morals; a decline in the public morals. Question: Can a person be perfect, if it’s thoughts are to lie, cheat, deceit, etc. Spiritual Definition: of or relating to a person's spirit : of or relating to religion or religious beliefs : having similar values and ideas: related or joined in spirit Question: Can a person be perfect, if it’s NOT willing to obey Gods Commands, or accept the word of Christ that scripture is indeed the inspired word of GOD? So by how’s moral standards is Christ referring to? Man’s with his own topical definition or God’s through the inspired word of God. True and Honest Christians should know the answer.

And yet, another example of your ignorance. But continue preaching your FALSE Doctrine, since you can’t compete and have no real knowledge of scripture. I expect you to embellish in partisan rhetoric. If you can only see the example of a GB train of thought, into foolishness, I can’t help that.

Of course they are anointed. And If you read my previous post. The idea that they are guided by men, That’s simply conjecture and speculation in your part. YOUR personal opinion of something you know nothing about but wish to ridicule because of false applications of scripture by misleading the understanding of someone else’s writing. You have placed your trust on "MAN", an intent ancient scribes most likely attempted to achieve by redefining the original works or by error. The Governing Body only trust on God’s Holy Spirit to guide them. So with that. You are no different than the Pharisees of old that Christ spoke of. You people that pretend to know the bible don’t practice in the correct manor the spirit of the bible. Why? Because you are trusting in your own opinion of thinking you know scripture instead of allowing the Holy Spirit guide you to see how wrong you have been for whatever time, you decided to let Satan condemn your soul into hating the WTS. Matthew 23:3 Context: Woes to Scribes and Pharisees 3So practice and observe everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. So everything that you think your applying against the GB actually applies to you. How, by thinking the Holy Bible is man’s work, and NOT the inspired word of God. Satan has definitely blinded you. 2 Corinthians 4:4 Context: The Light of the Gospel 4The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers so they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. 29 ARC Stewart: Q. You have said that the Governing Body presently has 30 seven members. How is it determined how many members there 31 will be from time to time? 32 GB Jackson: A. There can be any number of members on the Governing 33 Body. In the past few decades ‐ for example, when I was 34 appointed on the Governing Body, there were 12 of us. 35 I believe the number has been 18 at one stage. But the 36 qualifications of a member for the Governing Body ‐ it 37 involves someone who is considered an anointed Witness, who 38 has worked in scriptural, with a scriptural background, 39 either as a missionary or a full‐time servant for many 40 years, and is able to fulfil the role of the Governing 41 Body, which is, may I state, a group, a spiritual group of 42 men who are the guardians of our doctrine, and as guardians 43 of the doctrine, look at things that need to be decided 44 based on our doctrines, which are based on the constitution 45 of the Bible. 20 ARC Stewart Q. And your reference to your constitution, I understand 21 by the way in which you raised the Bible as you said that, 22 you were referring to the Bible? 23 GB Jackson: A. The Bible is our constitution, yes.

I also stated:JWT: In what context. Secular or biblical. One has to define the parameters. Someone mentioned if ADAM was perfect. The answer was “YES” God’s creation was made without sin and free to think for themselves. It was only after the introduction of evil intent that man was corrupted and manifested to imperfection through sin. So lets not start distorting my context by misleading the "facts". That's childish. Definition of Childish: silly and immature

We view the anointed as fellow worshippers of Jehovah. We don't heighten their status just because in the WTS writing, they are seen with a greater responsibility. They, don’t think of themselves that way. However, since they hold a higher standard of excellence and morality? GOD does hold them to a different standard just as he did with the Apostles and Prophets(MEN). Your distortion implies, they cannot possibly hold that calling of being anointed by "GOD" not “MAN” to undertake those responsibilities. Remember, by your own words, you believe you have that undertaking and responsibility. The question is? Who appointed you, to say the Governing Body cannot be considered to be appointed by the Holy Spirit even by your biblical quotations, that’s exactly what they follow. The Constitution of the JW’s Doctrine. ARC: Quotation: 42 Justice Donald Stewart: Q. Do you, as members of the Governing Body, regard 43 yourselves as being appointed by Jehovah God or under the 44 capacity or authority of Jehovah God? 45 Geoffrey Jackson: A. What we view ourselves, as fellow workers with our 46 brothers and sisters ‐ we have been given a responsibility 47 to guard or to be guardians of doctrine. So just the same .14/08/2015 (155) 15936 G W JACKSON (Mr Stewart) Transcript produced by DTI1 with elders, they are referred to as being appointed by 2 holy spirit, as you probably are aware, we believe that 3 means that when an elder is in harmony with what the Bible 4 says is required of an elder, then he is appointed by the 5 holy spirit. So the same is true with the Governing Body. The Governing Body follows the pattern set by “the apostles and elders in Jerusalem” in the first century, who made important decisions on behalf of the entire Christian congregation. (Acts 15:2) Like those faithful men, the members of the Governing Body are not the leaders of our organization. They look to the Bible for guidance, acknowledging that Jehovah God has appointed Jesus Christ as the Head of the congregation. —1 Corinthians 11:3; Ephesians 5:23. Once again You can recite anything you want to apply your distorted understanding. but until you learn scripture in a way NOT to interject your own personal opinion. Your personal views are contradictory and accepting of your own fallacy parameters. Perhaps you should reread what you wrote, and apply your ideology to yourself. I understanding your entire argument is predicated in an illusion of 7 men giving out their own doctrine. The Jim Jones style. Perhaps you subscribe to that ideology, but JW’s don’t. We have a responsibility to understand scripture individually to come to the same understanding as subscribed by Christ instruction. Jesus never advised anyone to read scripture to get different outcomes. That’s just nonsense. Just as the nonsensical view you want people to believe, that the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses, think their better than their fellow believers. I don’t know when you started misleading people, but…I’m here to set the record straight. They as men are not greater, but they do have a greater responsibility to the flock. I’ve had dinner with some of them, and they’ve stayed in my Parents’ house long ago. They seemed to be normal human beings to me.

Incorrect!!!!!!! Don't put words on peoples mouth, that's so deceptive!!!!!!!!!! But then again, that's you. That stayed “TRUE” to his Fathers definition of what a perfect man should be, Without Sin? Yes, Jesus achieved that goal, however as perfect humans Adam and Eve failed, even though Satan used the same method to disrupt perfection through evil. So let’s not start twisting words around again. If anything, at least use the secular definition of the word. "SIN" an immoral act considered to be a transgression against divine law. "a sin in the eyes of God" synonyms:immoral act, wrong, wrongdoing, act of evil/wickedness, transgression, crime, offense, misdeed,

By who’s standard of perfection are you referring to. A diamond cut can achieve an excellent outlook, the embodiment therefore is only to the cutter to decide his work is flawless and perfect. In reality, another diamond cutter can concede there are micro flaws in that perfect diamond. Therefore, you are implying your hypothesis is above GOD’s LAW, by suggesting God’s creation was indeed not perfect. At what point in time did you event a time machine to come to this conclusion? At what point in time did GOD declare you a governed deity to challenge him, through what… science? Sorcery? That is the only imagery afforded. That would be the point. The only Perfect being by his sacrifice was killed by who, imperfect humans. So we had an example for excellence, until someone decided there was a flaw in that man. Was it for the GOOD of the people or for their personal gain. That’s what makes Scripture valid, and misguided philosophy not.

In what context. Secular or biblical. One has to define the parameters. Someone mentioned if ADAM was perfect. The answer was “YES” God’s creation was made without sin and free to think for themselves. It was only after the introduction of evil intent that man was corrupted and manifested to imperfection through sin. The Challenge of Christ, was therefore given that same parameter, but through his own free will chose to continue the path of righteousness, therefore becoming uncurroptable and answering one important question. Can Satan corrupt free will? Jesus answered it by NOT being influenced by the Devil. So, that proves that MAN does have the ability NOT to be influence by evil and therefore can return to perfection, and one day will. SECULAR, DEFINITION OF PERFECTION: 1. the condition, state, or quality of being free or as free as possible from all flaws or defects. 2. a person or thing perceived as the embodiment of perfection. 3. the action or process of improving something until it is faultless or as faultless as possible. BIBLICAL, DEFINITION OF PERFECTION: Deuteronomy 32:3-5 Context: The Song of Moses 3"For I proclaim the name of the LORD; Ascribe greatness to our God! 4"The Rock! His work is perfect, for all His ways are just; A God of faithfulness and without injustice, Righteous and upright is He. 5"They have acted corruptly toward Him, they are not His children, because of their defect; But are a perverse and crooked generation. Psalm 19:7 Context: The Heavens Declare the Glory of God 6Its rising is from one end of the heavens, and its circuit to the other end of them; And there is nothing hidden from its heat. 7The law of the LORD is perfect, restoring the soul; The testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple. 8The precepts of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart; The commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes. Matthew 5:48 Context: Love Your Enemies 47And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even Gentiles do the same? 48Be perfect, therefore, as your Heavenly Father is perfect. Matthew Henry Commentary 5:43-48 The Jewish teachers by neighbor understood only those who were of their own country, nation, and religion, whom they were pleased to look upon as their friends. The Lord Jesus teaches that we must do all the real kindness we can to all, especially to their souls. We must pray for them. While many will render good for good, we must render good for evil; and this will speak a nobler principle than most men act by. Others salute their brethren, and embrace those of their own party, and way, and opinion, but we must not so confine our respect. It is the duty of Christians to desire, and aim at, and press towards perfection in grace and holiness. And therein we must study to conform ourselves to the example of our heavenly Father, 1Pe 1:15,16. Surely more is to be expected from the followers of Christ than from others; surely more will be found in them than in others. Let us beg of God to enable us to prove ourselves his children. Hebrews 2:9-11 Context: Jesus Like His Brothers 9But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, now crowned with glory and honor because He suffered death, so that by the grace of God He might taste death for everyone. 10In bringing many sons to glory, it was fitting for God, for whom and through whom all things exist, to make the pioneer of their salvation perfect through suffering. 11For both the One who sanctifies and those who are sanctified are of the same family. That is why Jesus is not ashamed to call them brothers. If you see this. JW’s embark in this everyday by their preaching work. A righteous commandment that is simplified in scripture, NOT the Governing Body. The GB did not make this up! It is “STATED” in the Holy Bible. JW’s don’t just preach to each other, which is the implication that is being made, but challenge everyone to receive a spiritual embodiment of excellence as to be seen come judgement day worthy of being in good standing to receive everlasting life, by acceptance, and obedience. What is the biblical example? 1 Peter 2:20-22 Context: Christ's Example of Suffering 20How is it to your credit if you are beaten for doing wrong and you endure it? But if you suffer for doing good and you endure it, this is commendable before God. 21For to this you were called, because Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in His footsteps: 22“He committed no sin, and no deceit was found in His mouth. So your simple hypothesis, if perfection can be spotted or not is too vain. A perfect being can have spots and a spotted being can be influenced by sin.

This is what happens when the "MODERATOR" of this site decides to play favorites. Give the last word to distortion, and delete the rest!!!!!! uploaded again!!! You seem to be confusing the word obedience. It is interesting you have managed to twist scripture to fit your own agenda. Your hypothesis lies in abstract. Colossians 1:27-29 Context: Paul's Suffering for the Church …27to whom God has chosen to make known among the Gentiles the glorious riches of this mystery, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory. 28We proclaim Him, admonishing and teaching everyone with all wisdom, so that we may present everyone perfect in Christ. 29To this end I labor, striving with all His energy working powerfully within me.… Once again, you are implying God has erred for choosing Men among Men to take the lead and dispense the spirit of the fruit to others. Once again, your claim is, that the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses are NOT chosen for that task. I keep reminding you, who appointed you to decide who receives the Holy Spirit of God. You are once again being nonsensical to win an argument, NOT to debate Facts of scripture. Your own words of misinterpretation have now ventured into blasphemy, NOT by my accord, but that that of the word of God in scripture. The governing body, are just fellow Christians striving what every Christian strives for, everlasting life. The only ones holding the GB on a pedestal are people like you. We don’t regard our members other than with respect for accepting to take the lead on a monumental responsibility that would be judged by God harsher for having that responsibility. Now is it any different than any other religion? That’s what judgement day, is for. You cited Matt 8:36 Context: Take up Your Cross. Now your understanding differs from that of scripture. If your own words are misleading due to the lack of understanding of the “INTENT” and “CONTEXT” by understanding the full text from verse 34 on. So in that context by defining Christ instructions, we lose our soul. Because we as men are misleading the understanding of scripture to benefit oneself NOT others. Not to mention the conflict you have with scripture. How can you engage with conflict as in Romans 13:8 Context: Love Fulfills the Law? 8Be indebted to no one, except to one another in love, for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the Law. if you despise wholeheartedly 7 men that have done NOTHING to you personally other than being there for your ridicule. Do you see your contradictions? You people call us brainwashed? Where would that leave you people!!!!! Galatians 6:1-3 Context: Carry One Another's Burdens 1Brothers, if someone is caught in a trespass, you who are spiritual should restore him with a spirit of gentleness. But watch yourself, or you also may be tempted. 2Carry one another’s burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the Law of Christ. 3If anyone thinks he is something when he is nothing, he deceives himself.… So in your world? How could you possibly achieve that fulfillment within the body of Christ, while objecting to parts of the body of Christ, by your own admission in writing. That’s Hypocrisy in its highest form. Because you couldn’t possibly be accepting of Gods commands through Christ to what? Matthew 28:19-20 Context: The Great Commission …19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, 20and teaching them to obey all that I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.” Matthew Henry Commentary 28:16-20 This evangelist passes over other appearances of Christ, recorded by Luke and John, and hastens to the most solemn; one appointed before his death, and after his resurrection. All that see the Lord Jesus with an eye of faith, will worship him. Yet the faith of the sincere may be very weak and wavering. But Christ gave such convincing proofs of his resurrection, as made their faith to triumph over doubts. He now solemnly commissioned the apostles and his ministers to go forth among all nations. The salvation they were to preach, is a common salvation; whoever will, let him come, and take the benefit; all are welcome to Christ Jesus. Christianity is the religion of a sinner who applies for salvation from deserved wrath and from sin; he applies to the mercy of the Father, through the atonement of the incarnate Son, and by the sanctification of the Holy Spirit, and gives up himself to be the worshipper and servant of God, as the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, three Persons but one God, in all his ordinances and commandments. Baptism is an outward sign of that inward washing, or sanctification of the Spirit, which seals and evidences the believer's justification. Let us examine ourselves, whether we really possess the inward and spiritual grace of a death unto sin, and a new birth unto righteousness, by which those who were the children of wrath become the children of God. Believers shall have the constant presence of their Lord always; all days, every day. There is no day, no hour of the day, in which our Lord Jesus is not present with his churches and with his ministers; if there were, in that day, that hour, they would be undone. The God of Israel, the Saviour, is sometimes a God that hideth himself, but never a God at a distance. To these precious words Amen is added. Even so, Lord Jesus, be thou with us and all thy people; cause thy face to shine upon us, that thy way may be known upon earth, thy saving health among all nations. The WTS didn’t commission these men, God’s Holy Spirit did. Those that are found worthy to receive this commission has a great responsibility and an honor to be considered spiritually just to accept that commission. They don’t consider themselves above anyone, but work alongside all that accept the inspired word of God to be the solemn constitution. In your world? Everything was developed by men for men. Then you’re making Jah to be a liar. Is God the liar or are you? I chose to believe it’s you!!!!!!!! The ultimate goal for true Christians is, not just preaching and teaching but, Obedience to ALL of God’s Commandments, based on Christ instructions. A structure that is governed by God not man. Hebrews 13:16-18 Context: Sacrifice, Obedience, and Prayer …16And do not neglect to do good and to share with others, for with such sacrifices God is pleased. 17Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they watch over your souls as those who must give an account. To this end, allow them to lead with joy and not with grief, for that would be of no advantage to you. 18Pray for us; we are convinced that we have a clear conscience and desire to live honorably in every way.… Matthew Henry Commentary 13:16-21 We must, according to our power, give to the necessities of the souls and bodies of men: God will accept these offerings with pleasure, and will accept and bless the offerers through Christ. The apostle then states what is their duty to living ministers; to obey and submit to them, so far as is agreeable to the mind and will of God, made known in his word. Christians must not think themselves too wise, too good, or too great, to learn. The people must search the Scriptures, and so far as the ministers teach according to that rule, they ought to receive their instructions as the word of God, which works in those that believe. It is the interest of hearers, that the account their ministers give of them may be with joy, and not with grief. Faithful ministers deliver their own souls, but the ruin of a fruitless and faithless people will be upon their own heads. The more earnestly the people pray for their ministers, the more benefit they may expect from their ministry. A good conscience has respect to all God's commands, and all our duty. Those who have this good conscience, yet need the prayers of others. When ministers come to a people who pray for them, they come with greater satisfaction to themselves, and success to the people. We should seek all our mercies by prayer. God is the God of peace, fully reconciled to believers; who has made a way for peace and reconciliation between himself and sinners, and who loves peace on earth, especially in his churches. He is the Author of spiritual peace in the hearts and consciences of his people. How firm a covenant is that which has its foundation in the blood of the Son of God! The perfecting of the saints in every good work, is the great thing desired by them, and for them; and that they may at length be fitted for the employment and happiness of heaven. There is no good thing wrought in us, but it is the work of God. And no good thing is wrought in us by God, but through Christ, for his sake and by his Spirit. So, what’s the end result? Ecclesiastes 12:13 Context: The Fear of God is Utmost 12But beyond this, my son, be warned: the writing of many books is endless, and excessive devotion to books is wearying to the body. 13The conclusion, when all has been heard, is: fear God and keep His commandments, because this applies to every person. 14For God will bring every act to judgment, everything which is hidden, whether it is good or evil.… What does that imply, God will bring judgement upon those deceiving others with their own doctrine that is NOT based on the inspired word of God. GOD WILL!! Not you, me, or anyone thinking their ideology is above Gods sovereignty and inspired word. Something the WTS Does NOT claim to be, but does CLAIM to be fulfilling Gods commands by its commission. When are you going to learn "MODERATOR" Your actions are NOT the LAW of the land. Democracy wherever found will always find a way. Get it! JWinsider or however you pretend to be.

Are you suggesting that man will have become robotic? The inference will still be "freewill"

You seem to be confusing the word obedience. It is interesting you have managed to twist scripture to fit your own agenda. Your hypothesis lies in abstract. Colossians 1:27-29 Context: Paul's Suffering for the Church …27to whom God has chosen to make known among the Gentiles the glorious riches of this mystery, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory. 28We proclaim Him, admonishing and teaching everyone with all wisdom, so that we may present everyone perfect in Christ. 29To this end I labor, striving with all His energy working powerfully within me.… Once again, you are implying God has erred for choosing Men among Men to take the lead and dispense the spirit of the fruit to others. Once again, your claim is, that the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses are NOT chosen for that task. I keep reminding you, who appointed you to decide who receives the Holy Spirit of God. You are once again being nonsensical to win an argument, NOT to debate Facts of scripture. Your own words of misinterpretation have now ventured into blasphemy, NOT by my accord, but that that of the word of God in scripture. The governing body, are just fellow Christians striving what every Christian strives for, everlasting life. The only ones holding the GB on a pedestal are people like you. We don’t regard our members other than with respect for accepting to take the lead on a monumental responsibility that would be judged by God harsher for having that responsibility. Now is it any different than any other religion? That’s what judgement day, is for. You cited Matt 8:36 Context: Take up Your Cross. Now your understanding differs from that of scripture. If your own words are misleading due to the lack of understanding of the “INTENT” and “CONTEXT” by understanding the full text from verse 34 on. So in that context by defining Christ instructions, we lose our soul. Because we as men are misleading the understanding of scripture to benefit oneself NOT others. Not to mention the conflict you have with scripture. How can you engage with conflict as in Romans 13:8 Context: Love Fulfills the Law? 8Be indebted to no one, except to one another in love, for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the Law. if you despise wholeheartedly 7 men that have done NOTHING to you personally other than being there for your ridicule. Do you see your contradictions? You people call us brainwashed? Where would that leave you people!!!!! Galatians 6:1-3 Context: Carry One Another's Burdens 1Brothers, if someone is caught in a trespass, you who are spiritual should restore him with a spirit of gentleness. But watch yourself, or you also may be tempted. 2Carry one another’s burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the Law of Christ. 3If anyone thinks he is something when he is nothing, he deceives himself.… So in your world? How could you possibly achieve that fulfillment within the body of Christ, while objecting to parts of the body of Christ, by your own admission in writing. That’s Hypocrisy in its highest form. Because you couldn’t possibly be accepting of Gods commands through Christ to what? Matthew 28:19-20 Context: The Great Commission …19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, 20and teaching them to obey all that I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.” Matthew Henry Commentary 28:16-20 This evangelist passes over other appearances of Christ, recorded by Luke and John, and hastens to the most solemn; one appointed before his death, and after his resurrection. All that see the Lord Jesus with an eye of faith, will worship him. Yet the faith of the sincere may be very weak and wavering. But Christ gave such convincing proofs of his resurrection, as made their faith to triumph over doubts. He now solemnly commissioned the apostles and his ministers to go forth among all nations. The salvation they were to preach, is a common salvation; whoever will, let him come, and take the benefit; all are welcome to Christ Jesus. Christianity is the religion of a sinner who applies for salvation from deserved wrath and from sin; he applies to the mercy of the Father, through the atonement of the incarnate Son, and by the sanctification of the Holy Spirit, and gives up himself to be the worshipper and servant of God, as the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, three Persons but one God, in all his ordinances and commandments. Baptism is an outward sign of that inward washing, or sanctification of the Spirit, which seals and evidences the believer's justification. Let us examine ourselves, whether we really possess the inward and spiritual grace of a death unto sin, and a new birth unto righteousness, by which those who were the children of wrath become the children of God. Believers shall have the constant presence of their Lord always; all days, every day. There is no day, no hour of the day, in which our Lord Jesus is not present with his churches and with his ministers; if there were, in that day, that hour, they would be undone. The God of Israel, the Saviour, is sometimes a God that hideth himself, but never a God at a distance. To these precious words Amen is added. Even so, Lord Jesus, be thou with us and all thy people; cause thy face to shine upon us, that thy way may be known upon earth, thy saving health among all nations. The WTS didn’t commission these men, God’s Holy Spirit did. Those that are found worthy to receive this commission has a great responsibility and an honor to be considered spiritually just to accept that commission. They don’t consider themselves above anyone, but work alongside all that accept the inspired word of God to be the solemn constitution. In your world? Everything was developed by men for men. Then you’re making Jah to be a liar. Is God the liar or are you? I chose to believe it’s you!!!!!!!! The ultimate goal for true Christians is, not just preaching and teaching but, Obedience to ALL of God’s Commandments, based on Christ instructions. A structure that is governed by God not man. Hebrews 13:16-18 Context: Sacrifice, Obedience, and Prayer …16And do not neglect to do good and to share with others, for with such sacrifices God is pleased. 17Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they watch over your souls as those who must give an account. To this end, allow them to lead with joy and not with grief, for that would be of no advantage to you. 18Pray for us; we are convinced that we have a clear conscience and desire to live honorably in every way.… Matthew Henry Commentary 13:16-21 We must, according to our power, give to the necessities of the souls and bodies of men: God will accept these offerings with pleasure, and will accept and bless the offerers through Christ. The apostle then states what is their duty to living ministers; to obey and submit to them, so far as is agreeable to the mind and will of God, made known in his word. Christians must not think themselves too wise, too good, or too great, to learn. The people must search the Scriptures, and so far as the ministers teach according to that rule, they ought to receive their instructions as the word of God, which works in those that believe. It is the interest of hearers, that the account their ministers give of them may be with joy, and not with grief. Faithful ministers deliver their own souls, but the ruin of a fruitless and faithless people will be upon their own heads. The more earnestly the people pray for their ministers, the more benefit they may expect from their ministry. A good conscience has respect to all God's commands, and all our duty. Those who have this good conscience, yet need the prayers of others. When ministers come to a people who pray for them, they come with greater satisfaction to themselves, and success to the people. We should seek all our mercies by prayer. God is the God of peace, fully reconciled to believers; who has made a way for peace and reconciliation between himself and sinners, and who loves peace on earth, especially in his churches. He is the Author of spiritual peace in the hearts and consciences of his people. How firm a covenant is that which has its foundation in the blood of the Son of God! The perfecting of the saints in every good work, is the great thing desired by them, and for them; and that they may at length be fitted for the employment and happiness of heaven. There is no good thing wrought in us, but it is the work of God. And no good thing is wrought in us by God, but through Christ, for his sake and by his Spirit. So, what’s the end result? Ecclesiastes 12:13 Context: The Fear of God is Utmost 12But beyond this, my son, be warned: the writing of many books is endless, and excessive devotion to books is wearying to the body. 13The conclusion, when all has been heard, is: fear God and keep His commandments, because this applies to every person. 14For God will bring every act to judgment, everything which is hidden, whether it is good or evil.… What does that imply, God will bring judgement upon those deceiving others with their own doctrine that is NOT based on the inspired word of God. GOD WILL!! Not you, me, or anyone thinking their ideology is above Gods sovereignty and inspired word. Something the WTS Does NOT claim to be, but does CLAIM to be fulfilling Gods commands by its commission.