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It seems to me that AGAIN ... the WRONG question is being asked.
How about " ... if in the future the GB scrapped 1914, would you lose faith in the GB?"
The answer to that seems, from the discussions already made here, to be like closing the barn door after all the sheep have gotten loose .
But, I was assured yesterday at the 2017 Convention in Greenville, SC., that Jehovah God and the Governing Body LOVES our "young ones".
(...except in Australia, the UK, and California, where GB Member "most qualified" to testify, Gerritt Losch,  refused a subpoena to testify in a Child Sexual Abuse Court Case, and the Society was originally fined 11.5 MILLION DOLLARS.)
How about the question "" ... if in the future the GB scrapped 1914, would you lose faith in Jehovah God and his Christ?"
THE GB ...  AND JEHOVAH AND JESUS  ..... THEY ARE NOT THE SAME THING.

What exactly would be this issue cited here. That there are over 170,000 thousand brothers having to suffer due to Satan’s encroachment of God’s faithful servants? Why would modern times be any different with that of the old testament era or for that matter the new testament era.

The word “SOON” is a word synonymous with the word “HOPE”. And in order to have hope you need another word “FAITH”. Apparently, the memo has alluded some here, when God’s cleans his house of impurities, it starts with his utmost “loyal” ones. That’s the beauty of 1 Peter 1:7 when citing the living GOD.

The mere “fact” that apostasy has driven some to become inpatient won’t speed up God’s plan for the ages. Human emotions won’t change God’s plan.


Putin’s world view is to return Russia back to its former glory under the Soviet Union, and reclaim all land lost. To accomplish that, it cannot have civil minded peaceful people to be honest when reporting the conditions inside Russia. Remember the “AWAKE” is a world view magazine. It has in the past conflicted with journalistic endeavors as many honest journalist has been killed in Russia for speaking out about conditions in Russia. But to kill a law-abiding citizen from a well-known religious group, it would be viewed by the world as barbaric and inhuman. Even the simplest things like opinionating on the outcome of this case by Witnesses of a Supreme Court Judge that is a former Jehovah’s Witness “hater” would be the very reason the Russian Government would label the Watchtower as extremist. They can’t have that type of negative publicity. So, the only solution is, if they can’t kill them, kick them out.

So, the mere fact that none of our brothers have come into harm’s way, is a very “good” indication that GOD is looking out for these faithful brothers. And the Watchtower as the first century Christian that fled the Roman Sword under Roman rule for being Christian will find a way to cope with the conditions they find themselves in. So, for those of you that enjoy the freedom of “criticizing” the Watchtower and their fellow brethren? Remember this, NOTHING is forever in Satan’s World.

That’s why, we all must be thankful every day for everything that GOD has given us. Remember only GOD can give us what we faithfully await for, be it in life or death. People seem to forget that the dead will be judged also, so what we do in life will count in death. But only GOD can give us what government can’t, even in a free society:


 
“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.” 1776

After all, how many times has the highlighted above been exercised.

 

@ Queen Esther ALL JW knowing, and the millions of humans which got it
 
How about the billions of humans that haven’t GOT IT!
 
It seems reasonable to make an invitation whenever the opportunity presents itself. Luke 4:43 or is that forbidden by you “administrators”. If so, then make it clear on the Librarians startup web page.
 

@ Queen Esther ALL JW knowing, and the millions of humans which got it
 
How about the billions of humans that haven’t GOT IT!
 
It seems reasonable to make an invitation whenever the opportunity presents itself. Luke 4:43 or is that forbidden by you “administrators”. If so, then make it clear on the Librarians startup web page.
 

Then, you are injecting your personal view on how the Society should work. When God entrusted a Prophet, did that make that Prophet Perfect? What you are suggesting is to trust the words of men, just like you can’t seem to understand the trust and faith belongs to Jehovah, not with men that make insinuations of what the Society has or hasn’t done, or what it should or shouldn’t do. That would only demonstrate the lack of faith one has, and that’s the kind of behavior you continue to suggest, is acceptable. Therefore, how humbling is it in the eyes of God, when we demonstrate lack of faith by not allowing Gods Holy Spirit make the adjustments needed to answer a complex situation that NOT even secular governments, religions or institutions have been able to solve.
Mark 7:8 Context: Tradition and Worship
8You have disregarded the commandment of God to keep the tradition of men.
The ultimate answer, is we need Gods government to succeed this broken system, not prolong it by mindless ideology. Then we run the risk of presumption, such as thinking someone like me, wouldn’t know the bethel house and its inner function.
Singling out the WTS for the purpose to cause outrage is by no means a solution. Exaggerating statistics is by no means a solution. Promoting incompetence is by no means a solution. Promoting gods Laws unacceptable is by no means a solution. Yet, this are the things you agree with.
Only true witnesses understand and know the past of certain things that have occurred. Having to debate with a bunch of thespians (Actors and Actresses) that by far get their information from apostasy sites that are loaded with fabrications, serve no purpose to disregard Gods commandments.
 
 
 
We are in no position to decide who is best qualified to receive Gods Holy spirit. Making such a claim defeats the purpose of scripture. Wasn’t that the presumption made by the Pharisees with Jesus? Then, if God has found an imperfect human to entrust him to dispense the spiritual food at the proper time, then God is entrusting that same individual with shepherding the whole flock. Who are we to impose our own will above Gods? By being suggestive.
You know more than anyone should know about trust issues of the 80’s
Example Response from the WTS:  "It is not within the province of the Society nor of the elders to tell individuals what they should do when working in employment requiring them to maintain confidentiality. Each one will have to be responsible for his own actions before Jehovah. It is necessary to preserve one's relationship with Jehovah and to protect the organization, but each one will have to bear his own load of responsibility in this area. The Scriptures plainly teach that there is nothing hidden that will not be revealed and no one can indefinitely continue to deceive Jehovah, his organization or their congregation with which he might be associated. The decision to reveal confidential information concerning possible wrongdoing on the part of a person claiming to be a Christian ultimately rests with the person who has come to know of it." [1987]
You know the WTS was always being sued for frivolous things back in the 80’s
819 F.2d 875
93 A.L.R.Fed. 737, 56 USLW 2007
Janice PAUL, a/k/a/ Janice Perez, Plaintiff-Appellant,
v.
WATCHTOWER BIBLE AND TRACT SOCIETY OF NEW YORK, INC.,
Defendants-Appellee.
No. 85-4012.
United States Court of Appeals,
Ninth Circuit.
Argued and Submitted March 7, 1986.
Decided June 10, 1987.
The U.S. Supreme Court ruled Watchtower can shun ex-Jehovah's Witnesses in the case titled "819 F. 2d 875 - Paul v. Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York Inc"and referring in turn to Cf. Jones v. Wolf, 443 U.S. 595, 99 S.Ct. 3020, 61 L.Ed.2d 775 (1979); Turner v. Unification Church, 473 F.Supp. 367 (D.R.I.1978), aff'd, 602 F.2d 458 (1st Cir.1979)
So it is the proposition that is lacking discernment.
It would be no different to think, let’s say the Australian government wouldn’t adhere to international laws that pertain to the SORNA, 42 USC §16911 legislation.
People here think that a sex act that has no conviction is not registrable. The USA has such laws and those laws are respected by the international community. What they don’t understand is, the courts have discretion on how to handle a certain case. The Police Department can retain information on a suspected sex offender, or those considered to be a danger to the public that have not gone through the system. The police department hold a mandatory public information list for such matters. But it’s senseless to explain that to a clueless person.
Victorian Consolidated Acts
Sex Offenders Registration Act 2004
No. 56 of 2004
S. 6(6)(b) amended by
No.55/2009 s.48(2)
 
 
 
c) he or she is a registrable offender only
because he or she is subject to a sex offender
registration order and that order is quashed
on appeal
 
 
 
So, unless you know the law, it would be pointless to search the internet for a quick response to win an argument. It would also be disingenuous to suggest who hide things when all the facts are not revealed. But sometimes, we tend to misunderstand other people spoken words, Like in Bro. Jackson case.

Due diligence with interpretation would therefore constitute discernment with wisdom. Aside from that, it has always been the criteria for the WTS to teach those to follow God’s Law with the proper context and intended view. Exact knowledge of bible truth has not changed.

 

If not we run the risk of overstepping our personal view to satisfy our own needs, Not God’s commands.

 

Insight Volume 2

 

Thus, although God had not given a detailed law code, as he later did with the Israelites, men were not without some means for determining right and wrong conduct. Idolatry, for example, had not yet been specifically condemned by a stated law. Nonetheless, as the apostle Paul shows, such practice was inexcusable inasmuch as God’s “invisible qualities are clearly seen from the world’s creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship.” The venerating and rendering of “sacred service to the creation rather than the One who created” was against all reason. Those following such an empty-headed course would thereafter deviate into other unrighteous practices, such as homosexuality, changing “the natural use of themselves into one contrary to nature.” Again, even though no specific law had been given, such practice was obviously contrary to the way of God the Creator, as the very structure of the male and female manifested. Man, having been originally made in God’s image, had intelligence sufficient to see these things. Hence, he was responsible before God if he went contrary to God’s way; he was sinning, ‘missing the mark,’ even without a specifically stated law to charge him with guilt.—Ro 1:18-27; compare Ro 5:13. [p.223]

 

(1 Corinthians 14:1)

 

14 Pursue love, yet keep striving for the spiritual gifts, but preferably that you may prophesy. 2 For the one who speaks in a tongue speaks, not to men, but to God, for no one listens, but he speaks sacred secrets by the spirit. 3 However, the one who prophesies builds up and encourages and consoles men by his speech. 4 The one who speaks in a tongue builds up himself, but the one who prophesies builds up a congregation.

 

Any other discussion we have had on this topic, involves mistaken identity. Why would there be a need for a discussion on that. Are we to understand, if an insinuation is rendered? Then we must accept that JWinsider, HollyW, Ann O’maly are one and the same person?

 

Psalms 75: 5-7

 5 Do not exalt your strength up high

Or speak with arrogance.

 6 For exaltation does not come

From the east or the west or the south.

 7 For God is Judge.

He puts one man down and exalts another.

 

Very well said, Ann!  

One of the other important factors surrounding this problem might just explain why Witnesses have had so much trouble dealing with it.
The most surprising aspect of child abuse (to me) is the fact that this crime is apparently commonly related to "authority." The higher the "authority," the more common the crime. It's not limited to religious authority; it occurs via the levels of authority with family, teachers, bosses, boy scout leaders, military authority, etc.
"Authority" is used as the means to create the circumstances.
"Authority" is used as the means to convince the victim that it's OK. 
"Authority" is used as the means to convince the victim when the victim knows it is not OK.
"Authority" is used as the means to convince the victim not to talk.
Of course, most of this idea about the misuse of "authority" is common sense, but the part that might be most surprising is the prevalence. Abuse by persons in authority is so prevalent that you can almost predict that the higher the level of authority reached in a group, the more likely that you will find the crime of child abuse at that level. The higher the level of priests, the higher the percentage accused of child abuse. And this is known is in spite of the opportunities for authority to cover up the crime.
I believe, and this is only a little bit more than opinion, but I believe this explains the problem that no religion, including Jehovah's Witnesses wants exposed. It's the fact that the higher level of authority one reaches even within the JW Organization, the more likley one will find evidence of child abuse.
I am only going on the evidence of accusations here, and no first hand knowledge of whether these accusations mean anything real. But this would explain why the documentation of how child abusers were handled among JWs can never be open to the public. It explains why, even though the JWs have greatly improved their procedures, we can still never expose the individual cases to a court. It's because it would provide evidence that the crimes are greater and more frequent the higher up one goes in the organization. It would show that those at higher levels of authority in the organizational structure have been the most protected from public and congregational exposure. It would show that, in the not-to-distant past, there have been cases at some levels that were "forgiven" based merely on the promises of the perpetrator, with no apparent punishments.  
Some evidence of this is the fact that rumors and accusations of terrible child abuse crimes reached to the very highest levels of authority in the Australian Branch. At least two past Australian Branch overseers have been implicated, although I know nothing about the current branch overseers except that I know they were aware. Brother Jaracz of the Governing Body was even accused more than once. I have been told that persons treating victims who are not allowed to speak out for professional reasons have provided ambiguous evidence that Brother Jaracz was involved in more than one such incident.
More evidence of such rumors and accusations of terrible child abuse cases reached the highest levels of the UK Branch Office, and I'm told the UK Charity Commission was aware of this. When three or four persons were dismissed from very high levels within the UK branch recently, I was told that the problem was two-fold, but the most serious was not only the process of covering up child abuse, but also the accusations of involvement in child abuse crimes by more than one member of the leadership of the UK branch office.
I've heard of such issues at other branch offices, but never heard enough details.
And of course, most Witnesses are already aware of the fact that not only  Brother Jaracz, but also Brother Greenlees (both of the Governing Body) had been accused of the crime of child abuse. Also, hundreds of Bethelites, including me, witnessed the strange behavior of Brother Fred Franz who held a weekly Wednesday-night sauna session where about a dozen naked and nearly naked young Bethelites would act like sycophant disciples to listen to a naked Franz pontificate. This evidently went on for years, although I only witnessed it once.
Again, except for the evidence of actual dismissals that have sometimes included an admission of the sin (crime), and except for my first-hand knowledge of the behavior of Fred Franz - which might have been innocent, even if weird -- most of what I mentioned above refers to "rumors and accusations." It's easy to make a rumor or an accusation, and they might not be true. You can't just say where there is smoke there is fire. We must be careful of judging and misjudging. But in general, there is still evidence of the trend toward a bigger problem among those in higher levels of authority. These are also the ones who are the least likely to be caught, so we often have a misperception of this particular part of the problem.

And that's based on only your word, when the media hasn't mentioned it. That doesn't make you credible just a sensantionalist

Melinda Mills gave excellent choices. For the same reasons she gave I would consider 134 "See Yourself When All Is New" and 121 "Encourage One Another."
Some ideas that can be worked into the outline might include Pliny's report on Vesuvius and a reminder that this happened during the very time that people were first reading Hebrews 10:24,25 about meeting together to encourage one another (which is the basis for song 121). Also up until the time of Christ's message so many people thought that all natural disasters were "acts of God." Imagine how many people would have thought that the explosion/volcano/earthquake of Vesuvius was Armageddon. It obliterated the summer homes of the elite from Rome. The sky darkened over much of Italy including Rome. Surely Rome would be next because this would have been considered a judgment by God. Jerusalem had just been destroyed in the same decade, SURELY this act of God was not the judgment on Rome! Yet Jesus had said that you will hear of earthquakes and wars, but NOT to get overly excited about the idea that it meant the end.
(Matthew 24:6-8) . . .for these things must take place, but the end is not yet. 7 “For nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be food shortages and earthquakes in one place after another. 8 All these things are a beginning of pangs of distress.
(Matthew 24:29) 29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
Imagine how this event would have become fodder for false prophets, who might teach that this was the end, that this was the sky darkening and the moon not giving its light. Imagine how it might have been used as a way to mislead the chosen ones to stay in hiding or fear, rather than preach the good news. Yet Jesus said the end is NOT yet, these things were just a beginning.
It's a way to help an audience imagine the words of the Scriptures in a more personal way when we also can imagine what was going through the minds of the people in the first century. Besides Vesuvius, the way that the first century audience of Jesus thought about these things as judgments is interesting. Jesus gave the example of Pilate's political terrorism, and the Tower at Siloam, and said that such things were not directly brought about by sin or judgements on the specific people killed, but were merely 'time and unforeseen occurrence,' yet we can still use them to take account of our lives knowing that the end can come for any of us at any time.
(Luke 13:1-5) 13 At that time some who were present reported to him about the Gal·i·leʹans whose blood Pilate had mixed with their sacrifices. 2 In reply he said to them: “Do you think that those Gal·i·leʹans were worse sinners than all other Gal·i·leʹans because they have suffered these things? 3 No, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all likewise be destroyed. 4 Or those 18 on whom the tower in Si·loʹam fell, killing them—do you think that they had greater guilt than all other men who live in Jerusalem? 5 No, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all be destroyed, as they were.”
(Luke 12:18-21) 18 Then he said, ‘I will do this: I will tear down my storehouses and build bigger ones, and there I will gather all my grain and all my goods, 19 and I will say to myself: “You have many good things stored up for many years; take it easy, eat, drink, enjoy yourself.”’ 20 But God said to him, ‘Unreasonable one, this night they are demanding your life from you. Who, then, is to have the things you stored up?’ 21 So it goes with the man who stores up treasure for himself but is not rich toward God.”
 
 

This is interesting. Was this posted with all the facts, or just to sensationalize once again the media report. All APOSTASY sites, don’t have a definitive answer, even though there seems to be one here. “Strange”. What seems odd is the confirmation this person was and Elder, yet the indicating posted websites DON’T mention his religion.

Further odd, is in the manner, the charge was made in July 15, 2016, and on July 18, 2016 a blogger or reporter claims that a 27-year-old man is facing charges of sexual battery, when his actual age is 37. I wonder if this disfellowshipped person committed the crime on or before he was disfellowshipped. 2016-2009= 7-year window of observation.

Does anyone actually have proof this crime was perpetrated while he was an active witness, instead of just word of mouth that constitutes hearsay evidence? not to being disfellowshipped which would indicate guilt of something. But the timing of the crime. That's why the words of scripture are so important to apply honestly. Matthew 18:15-17 / Matthew 7:1-29

This is interesting. Was this posted with all the facts, or just to sensationalize once again the media report. All APOSTASY sites, don’t have a definitive answer, even though there seems to be one here. “Strange”. What seems odd is the confirmation this person was and Elder, yet the indicating posted websites DON’T mention his religion.

Further odd, is in the manner, the charge was made in July 15, 2016, and on July 18, 2016 a blogger or reporter claims that a 27-year-old man is facing charges of sexual battery, when his actual age is 37. I wonder if this disfellowshipped person committed the crime on or before he was disfellowshipped. 2016-2009= 7-year window of observation.

Does anyone actually have proof this crime was perpetrated while he was an active witness, instead of just word of mouth that constitutes hearsay evidence? not to being disfellowshipped which would indicate guilt of something. But the timing of the crime. That's why the words of scripture are so important to apply honestly. Matthew 18:15-17 / Matthew 7:1-29

It would seem the article in the Watchtower is correct with it's biblical description of SIN!!!!!
1 John 2:2 Context: Jesus Our Advocate

2He Himself is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not for ours alone, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Matthew Henry Commentary

2:1,2 When have an Advocate with the Father; one who has undertaken, and is fully able, to plead in behalf of every one who applies for pardon and salvation in his name, depending on his pleading for them. He is Jesus, the Saviour, and Christ, the Messiah, the Anointed. He alone is the Righteous One, who received his nature pure from sin, and as our Surety perfectly obeyed the law of God, and so fulfilled all righteousness. All men, in every land, and through successive generations, are invited to come to God through this all-sufficient atonement, and by this new and living way. The gospel, when rightly understood and received, sets the heart against all sin, and stops the allowed practice of it; at the same time, it gives blessed relief to the wounded consciences of those who have sinned.

Revelation 21:3 Context: A New Heaven and a New Earth

3And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying: “Behold, the dwelling place of God is with man, and He will live with them. They will be His people, and God Himself will be with them as their God.


 
Matthew Henry Commentary

21:1-8 The new heaven and the new earth will not be separate from each other; the earth of the saints, their glorified, bodies, will be heavenly. The old world, with all its troubles and tumults, will have passed away. There will be no sea; this aptly represents freedom from conflicting passions, temptations, troubles, changes, and alarms; from whatever can divide or interrupt the communion of saints. This new Jerusalem is the church of God in its new and perfect state, the church triumphant. Its blessedness came wholly from God, and depends on him. The presence of God with his people in heaven, will not be interrupt as it is on earth, he will dwell with them continually. All effects of former trouble shall be done away. They have often been in tears, by reason of sin, of affliction, of the calamities of the church; but no signs, no remembrance of former sorrows shall remain. Christ makes all things new. If we are willing and desirous that the gracious Redeemer should make all things new in order hearts and nature, he will make all things new in respect of our situation, till he has brought us to enjoy complete happiness. See the certainty of the promise. God gives his titles, Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End, as a pledge for the full performance. Sensual and sinful pleasures are muddy and poisoned waters; and the best earthly comforts are like the scanty supplies of a cistern; when idolized, they become broken cisterns, and yield only vexation. But the joys which Christ imparts are like waters springing from a fountain, pure, refreshing, abundant, and eternal. The sanctifying consolations of the Holy Spirit prepare for heavenly happiness; they are streams which flow for us in the wilderness. The fearful durst not meet the difficulties of religion, their slavish fear came from their unbelief; but those who were so dastardly as not to dare to take up the cross of Christ, were yet so desperate as to run into abominable wickedness. The agonies and terrors of the first death will lead to the far greater terrors and agonies of eternal death.

Revelation 20:5 Context: Satan Bound

5The rest of the dead did not come back to life until the thousand years were complete. This is the first resurrection.

Matthew Henry Commentary

20:4-6 Here is an account of the reign of the saints, for the same space of time as Satan is bound. Those who suffer with Christ, shall reign with him in his spiritual and heavenly kingdom, in conformity to him in his wisdom, righteousness, and holiness: this is called the first resurrection, with which none but those who serve Christ, and suffer for him, shall be favoured. The happiness of these servants of God is declared. None can be blessed but those that are holy; and all that are holy shall be blessed. We know something thing of what the first death is, and it is very awful; but we know not what this second death is. It must be much more dreadful; it is the death of the soul, eternal separation from God. May we never know what it is: those who have been made partakers of a spiritual resurrection, are saved from the power of the second death. We may expect that a thousand years will follow the destruction of the antichristian, idolatrous, persecuting powers, during which pure Christianity, in doctrine, worship, and holiness, will be made known over all the earth. By the all-powerful working of the Holy Spirit, fallen man will be new-created; and faith and holiness will as certainly prevail, as unbelief and unholiness now do. We may easily perceive what a variety of dreadful pains, diseases, and other calamities would cease, if all men were true and consistent Christians. All the evils of public and private contests would be ended, and happiness of every kind largely increased. Every man would try to lighten suffering, instead of adding to the sorrows around him. It is our duty to pray for the promised glorious days, and to do everything in our public and private stations which can prepare for them.

Ezekiel 28:15 Context: A Lament over the King of Tyre

15"You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created Until unrighteousness was found in you.

The definition of perfection means “lacking nothing essential to the whole; complete of its nature or kind”. From a Christian perspective, the definition of perfection means being without sin.



Adam and Eve must have been created with the power of choice, or God would not have given them a command and punished them for disobeying it. No one, not even Eve who was deceived by Satan, Judas of whom it is said that “Satan entered into him” (Jn:13:27), or Ananias and Sapphira whose hearts “Satan filled...to lie to the Holy Ghost” (Acts:5:3) can blame his or her sin on the devil; nor does God ever tempt man to sin (Jas 1:13), much less cause anyone to sin. All are without excuse.
Physically Definition: Physical, bodily, corporeal, corporal agree in pertaining to the body. Physical indicates connected with, pertaining to, the animal or human body as a material organism: physical strength, exercise. Bodily means belonging to, concerned with, the human body as distinct from the mind or spirit: bodily pain or suffering.

Question: Can a person be perfect, if it’s body is aging and diseased?


 
Mentally Definition: 1. Of or relating to the mind; intellectual: mental powers.

2. Executed or performed by the mind; existing in the mind: mental images of happy times.

3. a. Slang Emotionally upset; crazed: got mental when he saw the dent in his new car.

    b. Offensive Slang Mentally ill or intellectually impaired.

    c. Often Offensive Intended for people with mental illness or intellectual impairment.

Question: Can a person be perfect, if it’s thoughts are impure by lust, sex, drugs…etc.


 
Morally Definition: 1. Of or concerned with the judgment of right or wrong of human action and character: moral scrutiny; a moral quandary.


 
2. Teaching or exhibiting goodness or correctness of character and behavior: a moral lesson.

3. Conforming to standards of what is right or just in behavior; virtuous: a moral life.

4. Arising from conscience or the sense of right and wrong: a moral obligation.

5. Having psychological rather than physical or tangible effects: a moral victory; moral support.

6. Based on strong likelihood or firm conviction, rather than on the actual evidence: a moral certainty.

n.

1. The lesson or principle contained in or taught by a fable, a story, or an event.

2. A concisely expressed precept or general truth; a maxim: likes to follow the moral "To each, his own."

3. morals Rules or habits of conduct, especially of sexual conduct, with reference to standards of right and wrong: a person of loose morals; a decline in the public morals.

Question: Can a person be perfect, if it’s thoughts are to lie, cheat, deceit, etc.

Spiritual Definition: of or relating to a person's spirit

: of or relating to religion or religious beliefs

: having similar values and ideas: related or joined in spirit

Question: Can a person be perfect, if it’s NOT willing to obey Gods Commands, or accept the word of Christ that scripture is indeed the inspired word of GOD?

So by how’s moral standards is Christ referring to? Man’s with his own topical definition or God’s through the inspired word of God. True and Honest Christians should know the answer.

 
 

Allen, I understand the necessity to point out the flaws and misapplication of people that only focus on one small part of something, rather than the entire picture to hide their own fallacies. By those standards. The “entire” world is flawed. Pity, they don’t seem to see their own flaws, when they misinterpret someone else's thought.

Allen, I understand the necessity to point out the flaws and misapplication of people that only focus on one small part of something, rather than the entire picture to hide their own fallacies. By those standards. The “entire” world is flawed. Pity, they don’t seem to see their own flaws, when they misinterpret someone else's thought.

This seems a little farfetched, if you believe your understanding has a better claim to salvation than Christ. You mention “Mother”. Many Christians maintain an earthly view of Mary. However, Mary served her purpose as a vessel, nothing else.

Now, you seem to forget, or don’t wish to recognize is, no one comes to the Father, unless through me. All past covenants are now reliant on Christ Sacrifice. So, while you may wish to advertise frivolous websites? Only through the Glory of God and Christ will anyone gain everlasting life. That’s non-negotiable, including Witnesses, and or anyone claiming falsehoods through their own understanding, NOT scripture.

The last time I looked, The Watchtower has made every attempt as Christ did to educate the spiritually infirm. What has Christendom done, besides boast that Jesus is God, and there is no Armageddon, but there is a literal heaven and hell. Bible thumpers usually stick with hellfire, but that’s why learning scripture goes a long way.

Matthew 28:19 Context: THE GREAT COMMISSION

Therefore, go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.

Where is Christendom about accepting a command Christ instructed.

Matthew Henry Commentary

He now solemnly commissioned the apostles and his ministers to go forth among all nations. The salvation they were to preach, is a common salvation; whoever will, let him come, and take the benefit; all are welcome to Christ Jesus.

Mark 16:15

And he said unto them, go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.


 
Matthew 13:52 Context: The Parable of the Net

52Then He told them, “For this reason, every scribe who has been discipled in the kingdom of heaven is like a homeowner who brings out of his storeroom new treasures as well as old.”

What would be the objective for Christendom? Which they have NOT done in the name of Christ.


 
Luke 24:47 Context: Jesus Unveils the Scriptures

and in His name repentance and forgiveness of sins will be proclaimed to all nations, beginning in Jerusalem.

Acts 1:2

Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen.

Acts 1:8

But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

So, the process was to continue beyond the Apostles time.

Where is Christendom with the simplest of task, that the Jehovah’s Witnesses have taken the lead on.

Who has come to emulate our Lord and Savior really? Christendom, please! They only devote themselves for self-interest, not for the people of the world.

Matthew 25:31-32 Context: The Sheep and the Goats

When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, He will sit on His glorious throne. 32All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate the people one from another, as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats

2 Thessalonians 1:7-8 Context: Christ's Coming

7and to grant relief to you who are oppressed, and to us as well, when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels 8in blazing fire. He will inflict vengeance on those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus.

This will include churches that acclaim apostasy. So Christendom has a long way to go before they can walk in Jesus footsteps.

1 Peter 2:21 Context: Christ's Example of Suffering

21For to this you were called, because Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in His footsteps.

So are Jehovah’s Witnesses taking the lead on those things mentioned in scripture? YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Here's the thing. I’m not here to press upon you what I think scripture means. I’m basically here to convey to the people that come to this website, there are people that enjoy being deceptive by misleading people here, by showing WTS literature that doesn’t convey the sentiment of the WTS but their own convoluted opinion.

The WTS bases all it’s teaching from the Holy Bible. That’s the constitution of the WTS. The WTS for Jehovah’s Witnesses changed not necessarily in 1931 when it was announced, but 1934 when their literature reflected the name change. So, anyone Baptized under that name was a real Witness and not a reformed Bible Student like Rutherford that was baptized in 1906 under the banner of Bible Students, and anyone joining the Witnesses between 1934 and 1942, when Knorr became the FIRST true leader of Jehovah’s Witnesses under that banner, were Reformed Bible Students. A description that was never entered but should have been, RBS.

The idea that the Bible Students and the Jehovah’s Witnesses share the same ideology, is simply…distorting the FACTS.

Now your biggest problem with the WTS is HATE. You definitely don't understand scripture, but press upon using scripture to misrepresent the intended use. That’s fine. The only one your hurting is you.

Now you call yourself a Christian of good standing. FALSE! If you were in good standing, you would reflect in everything you write, and correct your views.

You pretend to ignore the FACT that God left, a structured scheme for man to follow after the fall of man. You continue to suggest that Jehovah himself has failed because he used people like, Abraham, Moses, Daniel, David, etc. and anyone he deemed fit to relay his wishes. God used MEN to achieve those goals. JESUS used MEN to achieve those goals.

So the perception is ludicrous no matter how you slice it. Not to mention, you would also have to cancel yourself for being part of the human race. (MEN) Therefore all the negativity you have for the WTS can also be APPLIED to YOU.

Now you stated elsewhere not to inject personal thoughts, and yet…the opinions you have about the WTS are your personal opinion. So, do yourself a favor and not rely on apostasy sites for your information, or wannabe JW’s that pretend to be Witnesses when they are NOT. Ann O’maly, and JWinsider are a perfect example of putting trust on a false prophet. But then, anyone evangelizing for deception in the eyes of God is a FALSE PROPHET, Right! Anyone who deliberately misleads the flock for their own personal gain. Why was King Saul removed!!!

Answer yourself that. The Governing Body if you really must know didn’t have its inception when it was first published that way. It began Before Rutherford. So WTS history, you definitely don't.

Now, the outlandish look in leaders, would pretty much includes ALL religions, since they are all governed by someone. For Witnesses, we believe in scripture as our constitution.

But try to justify ACTS 6:3 Context: The Choosing of the Seven

3Therefore, brothers, select from among you seven men confirmed to be full of the Spirit and wisdom. We will appoint this responsibility to them.

These are GODS WORDS and CHRIST INSTRUCTIONS, I dare you!!!!!!!!!!!, find fault with them both, for suggesting to find 7 reputable “MEN”, among “MEN”. Which is the makeup of the Governing Body right now.

So, you can recite the entire bible. It won’t make any difference until you learn the TRUE meaning of scripture. Don’t let hypocrisy be ones undoing. Because in essence, your going against bible principle.

That’s strictly your opinion. Now think of the same for yourself. Christ spoke of unity for a reason. The hypothetical evil slave then falls within your own convoluted opinion.

Unfortunately, we cannot pick and choice what we will obey out of scripture, Either your obedient to the covenant or you’re not.

Mark 16:20 Context: The Ascension

20And they went out and preached everywhere, and the Lord worked through them, confirming His word by the signs that accompanied it.

Matthew Henry Commentary

16:19,20 After the Lord had spoken he went up into heaven. Sitting is a posture of rest, he had finished his work; and a posture of rule, he took possession of his kingdom. He sat at the right hand of God, which denotes his sovereign dignity and universal power. Whatever God does concerning us, gives to us, or accepts from us, it is by his Son. Now he is glorified with the glory he had before the world. The apostles went forth, and preached everywhere, far and near. Though the doctrine they preached was spiritual and heavenly, and directly contrary to the spirit and temper of the world; though it met with much opposition, and was wholly destitute of all worldly supports and advantages; yet in a few years the sound went forth unto the ends of the earth. Christ's ministers do not now need to work miracles to prove their message; the Scriptures are proved to be of Divine origin, and this renders those without excuse who reject or neglect them. The effects of the gospel, when faithfully preached, and truly believed, in changing the tempers and characters of mankind, form a constant proof, a miraculous proof, that the gospel is the power of God unto salvation, of all who believe.

We would all love to worship God away from conflict. However, Jesus paved the way for humanity to receive spiritual food. If we don’t understand scripture, or base our own understanding of scripture. How will one know, if one has erred? So far in this website, understanding scripture is flawed.

Colossians 2:23 Context: Alive in Christ

23Such restrictions indeed have an appearance of wisdom, with their self-prescribed worship, their false humility, and their harsh treatment of the body; but they are of no value against the indulgence of the flesh.

Colossians 1:18 Context: The Supremacy of Christ

18And He is the head of the body, the church; He is the beginning and firstborn from among the dead, so that in all things He may have preeminence.

I didn't choose the label, the WT did. 1 Corinthians 6:9 Context: Members of Christ

9Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who submit to nor perform homosexual acts,

The WTS is an organization just like any other church. Be it Catholic, Protestant, Evangelical, etc. They all publish their own understanding. However, the WTS publishes its understanding directly from scripture.

I didn't apply the conditions of these people, the WT did. Luke 23:43English Standard Version (ESV)43 And he said to him, “Truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in Paradise.”

I didn't say who would make it and who wouldn't, the WT did.  Revelation 2:7 English Standard Version (ESV)7 He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the one who conquers I will grant to eat of the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God.’

So your anticlerical question. The WTS didn’t God’s Word did. Learn scripture.

Oh! I understand. I have NO difficulties. However, you need to continue to learn about scripture, and not play into your own desires, of thinking you comprehend facts.

We view the anointed as fellow worshippers of Jehovah. We don't heighten their status just because in the WTS writing, they are seen with a greater responsibility. They, don’t think of themselves that way. However, since they hold a higher standard of excellence and morality? GOD does hold them to a different standard just as he did with the Apostles and Prophets(MEN). Your distortion implies, they cannot possibly hold that calling of being anointed by "GOD" not “MAN” to undertake those responsibilities.

Remember, by your own words, you believe you have that undertaking and responsibility. The question is? Who appointed you, to say the Governing Body cannot be considered to be appointed by the Holy Spirit even by your biblical quotations, that’s exactly what they follow. The Constitution of the JW’s Doctrine.

ARC: Quotation:

42 Justice Donald Stewart: Q. Do you, as members of the Governing Body, regard

43 yourselves as being appointed by Jehovah God or under the

44 capacity or authority of Jehovah God?

45 Geoffrey Jackson: A. What we view ourselves, as fellow workers with our

46 brothers and sisters ‐ we have been given a responsibility

47 to guard or to be guardians of doctrine. So just the same

.14/08/2015 (155) 15936 G W JACKSON (Mr Stewart)

Transcript produced by DTI1

with elders, they are referred to as being appointed by

2 holy spirit, as you probably are aware, we believe that

3 means that when an elder is in harmony with what the Bible

4 says is required of an elder, then he is appointed by the

5 holy spirit. So the same is true with the Governing Body.


 
The Governing Body follows the pattern set by “the apostles and elders in Jerusalem” in the first century, who made important decisions on behalf of the entire Christian congregation. (Acts 15:2) Like those faithful men, the members of the Governing Body are not the leaders of our organization. They look to the Bible for guidance, acknowledging that Jehovah God has appointed Jesus Christ as the Head of the congregation. —1 Corinthians 11:3; Ephesians 5:23.


 
Once again You can recite anything you want to apply your distorted understanding. but until you learn scripture in a way NOT to interject your own personal opinion. Your personal views are contradictory and accepting of your own fallacy parameters. Perhaps you should reread what you wrote, and apply your ideology to yourself.

I understanding your entire argument is predicated in an illusion of 7 men giving out their own doctrine. The Jim Jones style. Perhaps you subscribe to that ideology, but JW’s don’t. We have a responsibility to understand scripture individually to come to the same understanding as subscribed by Christ instruction. Jesus never advised anyone to read scripture to get different outcomes. That’s just nonsense.

Just as the nonsensical view you want people to believe, that the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses, think their better than their fellow believers. I don’t know when you started misleading people, but…I’m here to set the record straight. They as men are not greater, but they do have a greater responsibility to the flock. I’ve had dinner with some of them, and they’ve stayed in my Parents’ house long ago. They seemed to be normal human beings to me.

No really, Sensationalism always makes the News, especially if its towards Jehovah’s Witnesses. Now there are many shysters out in the world trying to cash in on this Child Abuse, and many ex-witnesses making claim. God will handle it all appropriately without the intervention of clueless people attempting to add to this sensationalism.

Yes, its very telling as a pretender of the truth as you hasn't a clue, of what goes on in the background in the WT Society, and how many claims are errors of not understanding the laws that govern spirituality and social justice. As for the Status Bar you mark, well to each its own. The fact that you hate your post being challenged speaks volumes of all the falsehoods you have posted so far.

We view the anointed as fellow worshippers of Jehovah. We don't heighten their status just because in the WTS writing, they are seen with a greater responsibility. They, don’t think of themselves that way. However, since they hold a higher standard of excellence and morality? GOD does hold them to a different standard just as he did with the Apostles and Prophets(MEN). Your distortion implies, they cannot possibly hold that calling of being anointed by "GOD" not “MAN” to undertake those responsibilities.

Remember, by your own words, you believe you have that undertaking and responsibility. The question is? Who appointed you, to say the Governing Body cannot be considered to be appointed by the Holy Spirit even by your biblical quotations, that’s exactly what they follow. The Constitution of the JW’s Doctrine.

ARC: Quotation:

42 Justice Donald Stewart: Q. Do you, as members of the Governing Body, regard

43 yourselves as being appointed by Jehovah God or under the

44 capacity or authority of Jehovah God?

45 Geoffrey Jackson: A. What we view ourselves, as fellow workers with our

46 brothers and sisters ‐ we have been given a responsibility

47 to guard or to be guardians of doctrine. So just the same

.14/08/2015 (155) 15936 G W JACKSON (Mr Stewart)

Transcript produced by DTI1

with elders, they are referred to as being appointed by

2 holy spirit, as you probably are aware, we believe that

3 means that when an elder is in harmony with what the Bible

4 says is required of an elder, then he is appointed by the

5 holy spirit. So the same is true with the Governing Body.


 
The Governing Body follows the pattern set by “the apostles and elders in Jerusalem” in the first century, who made important decisions on behalf of the entire Christian congregation. (Acts 15:2) Like those faithful men, the members of the Governing Body are not the leaders of our organization. They look to the Bible for guidance, acknowledging that Jehovah God has appointed Jesus Christ as the Head of the congregation. —1 Corinthians 11:3; Ephesians 5:23.


 
Once again You can recite anything you want to apply your distorted understanding. but until you learn scripture in a way NOT to interject your own personal opinion. Your personal views are contradictory and accepting of your own fallacy parameters. Perhaps you should reread what you wrote, and apply your ideology to yourself.

I understanding your entire argument is predicated in an illusion of 7 men giving out their own doctrine. The Jim Jones style. Perhaps you subscribe to that ideology, but JW’s don’t. We have a responsibility to understand scripture individually to come to the same understanding as subscribed by Christ instruction. Jesus never advised anyone to read scripture to get different outcomes. That’s just nonsense.

Just as the nonsensical view you want people to believe, that the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses, think their better than their fellow believers. I don’t know when you started misleading people, but…I’m here to set the record straight. They as men are not greater, but they do have a greater responsibility to the flock. I’ve had dinner with some of them, and they’ve stayed in my Parents’ house long ago. They seemed to be normal human beings to me.