Shiwiii

does this make it right? oh my , holier than thou spoken here. Seriously, you are defending the org, because it has been this way for x amount of years? so it should continue? it should be tolerated? Do you not have compassion? sorrow for those who have to go thru this? but its ok that the org does it because it's been this way? What happened to standing up for what is right and just? Would Jesus say "well its been this way for so long and back in 1992 they did it this way.........." I hardly doubt it. If you want the org to succeed, then you are a part of making it succeed, not a by standard who will protect at all costs. sorry if I am harsh, but this is BS.

Key words here are "suppose to", but we know that isn't the case when it comes to jw's so far in Australia, England, Russia, Germany, Italy, America and more.

hmmm, why are there no jw defenders in this thread?

repentant to whom? Not the men on the GB nor the elders, because they mean NOTHING!

Great words spoken here on this topic. Thank you Witness.

Tom, I'm a little disappointed. I thought this was specifically designed for me..........only to find that you've given this gem to someone else in the thread "overlooked by the Religion news service-how can this be?". Can I request that you devise original insults and name calling when insinuating things about me. I think it's too hard to take you seriously when you send generic jabs and make them universal among your foes.

Uuuummmmm, I thought that was the point?

why? I thought they wanted their preaching spread.

oh my, This is precisely what people expect from certain high control religious groups. Does any of this sound like a parallel to Waco TX? Jonestown? Heaven's Gate? I have no doubt that there are many who would subscribe to this same thinking, if they are privy to such talk. Realistically, the amount of infrastructure and resources needed to pull this type of thing off isn't that far fetched. I am positive that there would be countless people NOT involved in jws who would donate funds to make this happen.

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I disagree here. Take a look into the account of how Moses was brought forth. ALL first born males at that time were to be killed ( Exodus 1:16-22). This was to prevent the Israelite nation from overtaking the Egyptians. Moses was chosen long before he was a murderer, from before the womb. The same cannot be said of the past gb members, nor the current ones. So assimilating Moses to the gb is not only false, but wishful thinking on both the part of jws and the gb themselves. I agree here with what you have said, but it doesn't matter much because I do not assimilate Moses to the gb. To answer your question, no I have never felt the gb have beaten me, as they are not above me and have NO authority over me, they are men just as I am. This leadership was dissolved with the coming of Jesus, as stated in 1 Timothy 2:5. I think here we are agreeing to what I stated above, but not completely. just as any good father would do. We too are disciplined just as. oh yes, and as I stated above, our leader is Jesus, not Moses, not some self appointed gb, not anyone else. Agreed, God knows exactly what He is doing, thus the reason why He abolished that sort of religious headship and brought us closer individually.

I can agree with you on this, but the underlying factor is that the social ostracism and banishment is directed by the gb, if you want to be right with God in their eyes. Which, I think is what you are saying here: And right here you hit the nail on the head! How does this make any sense to average jws?

ok, but that is totally different then what 4jah2me was saying. Wasn't 4jah2me pointing out in Matt 12 that Jesus said we would save our sheep on the Sabbath, and then comparing that to how much more valuable a person is than a sheep? So just because it was the sabbath, we should still preserve ourselves the best we can? This hardly would apply to self killing because the gb said so. This is precisely what 4jah2me was saying. Stating that is ridiculous to die for what the gb has stated. the gb have positioned themselves AS God to jws, what they say goes.....and it matters not what the Bible says if it is in contrast to what the gb says. this was the point 4jah2me was making. to compare Jesus' death to a person who chooses NOT to accept life saving techniques is absurd. Jesus could have easily healed His wounds, or made it possible to not die. He did die, to BE the sacrifice we all needed and to do it once and for all. A senseless death because of the burden the gb puts on people is in no way showing loyalty to God, instead it is showing loyalty to the gb.

Are you seriously equating Jesus death (for all of the sins of mankind) to a person who chooses to deny life saving practices based on what the gb have interpreted? please explain this in more detail.

And yet its done on the daily to please the gb.