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    Utah high court weighs case of woman who says church made her listen to audio of her rape

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    On 11/11/2020 at 12:59 AM, Arauna said:

    Children of any age had to face their rapists in court until 2007

    does this make it right? 

     

    On 11/11/2020 at 12:59 AM, Arauna said:

    May Jehovah judge you according to your attitude. 

    oh my , holier than thou spoken here. 

     

    Seriously, you are defending the org, because it has been this way for x amount of years? so it should continue? it should be tolerated? Do you not have compassion? sorrow for those who have to go thru this? but its ok that the org does it because it's been this way? What happened to standing up for what is right and just? Would Jesus say "well its been this way for so long and back in 1992 they did it this way.........." I hardly doubt it. If you want the org to succeed, then you are a part of making it succeed, not a by standard who will protect at all costs. 

     

    sorry if I am harsh, but this is BS. 

    Census

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    On 8/17/2020 at 6:05 AM, Melinda Mills said:

    Just read Romans chapter 13 and see that Christians are supposed to cooperate with the Government where they live.

    Key words here are "suppose to", but we know that isn't the case when it comes to jw's so far in Australia, England, Russia, Germany, Italy, America and more. 

    Watchtower Pirates?

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    On 5/12/2020 at 9:33 AM, TrueTomHarley said:

    A troll appeared from nowhere to harass him, with lizard-like demeanor and tiny brain to match. Of course, Jim was not intimidated, but what a pest that troll was.

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    Tom, I'm a little disappointed. I thought this was specifically designed for me..........only to find that you've given this gem to someone else in the thread "overlooked by the Religion news service-how can this be?". Can I request that you devise original insults and name calling when insinuating things about me. I think it's too hard to take you seriously when you send generic jabs and make them universal among your foes.    

    Aircrafts waiting for us all to flee to the wilderness

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    oh my,  This is precisely what people expect from certain high control religious groups. Does any of this sound like a parallel to Waco TX? Jonestown? Heaven's Gate?  

    I have no doubt that there are many who would subscribe to this same thinking, if they are privy to such talk. 

    Realistically, the amount of infrastructure and resources needed to pull this type of thing off isn't that far fetched. I am positive that there would be countless people NOT involved in jws who would donate funds to make this happen. 

     

    Jehovah’s Witnesses: Members Must Reject COVID-19 Plasma Treatment… Or Else

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    37 minutes ago, 4Jah2me said:

    The GB would know this for sure and in a way they prove it by allowing 'Blood Fractions' which are taken from whole blood. If they really believed blood was so sacred they would not agree to it being taken out of the body to be divided into parts. 

    Christ's blood was something totally different. He was a perfect human and his blood was perfect and therefore the perfect offering. And the Anointed partake of that perfect 'blood' to be ONE with Christ. 

    this

    Jehovah’s Witnesses: Members Must Reject COVID-19 Plasma Treatment… Or Else

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    16 hours ago, Thinking said:

    1) Moses ...he was a murderer before he was ever given his assignment

    I disagree here. Take a look into the account of how Moses was brought forth. ALL first born males at that time were to be killed ( Exodus 1:16-22). This was to prevent the Israelite nation from overtaking the Egyptians. Moses was chosen long before he was a murderer, from before the womb. The same cannot be said of the past gb members, nor the current ones.  So assimilating Moses to the gb is not only false, but wishful thinking on both the part of jws and the gb themselves. 

     

    16 hours ago, Thinking said:

    and at nearing the end of their journey...due to such a heavy load upon him and stresses that none of us could bear...he actually became self righteous and proud..and I am imagining that attitude  would not have happened over night or just when he walked and stood before the Rock..

    all Jehovah told Moses To do was to SPEAK to the rock...but no...Moses first yelled abuse at the people.( I dont really blame him but he was not ordered to do that ) 

    he had no right to do that.

    And  Moses becoming full of himself and his importance ( pride ) he felt HE had to do MORE than what was asked of him.

    He struck the rock ..not once...but his personal decision and leaning on his own Underderstanding and reasonings...he struck TWICE..because he deemed the stupid people needed that..( do you or have you ever felt that the GB have beaten you with their rod ) ...and then he gathered the miracle to himself by saying ..
    SHALL WE....As we all know it had nothing to do with him..but everything to do with Jehovah...( he took the glory to himself and ignored Jehovah )

    I agree here with what you have said, but it doesn't matter much because I do not assimilate Moses to the gb. To answer your question, no I have never felt the gb have beaten me, as they are not above me and have NO authority over me, they are men just as I am. 

     

    17 hours ago, Thinking said:

    now we all know he was disciplined very harshly later for that but what most miss...and this is a very important point...is Jehovah still expected the People to follow his instructions that he gave to Moses.....he STILL USED the about to be disciplined Moses....and he EXPECTED the people to follow those instructions ...because they never came from Moses but Him.

    This leadership was dissolved with the coming of Jesus, as stated in 1 Timothy 2:5.

    17 hours ago, Thinking said:

    ........because there is no human that can rule over or govern his people on this earth..and he knew that all along...he knew whoever takes authoritarian position over his gathered   people will commit such grave errors..

    I think here we are agreeing to what I stated above, but not completely. 

    17 hours ago, Thinking said:

    the point being is Jehovah will always discipline those he allows authority and those who claim to have it....

    just as any good father would do. We too are disciplined just as.

    17 hours ago, Thinking said:

    Until MOSES death he still expected the people to follow his instructions...as his job was still yet to be completed....nobody fled the camp after Moses verbal abuse of them or harsh display of frustration and piety....they stayed...and trusted Jehovah..to handle the situation..

    so too today...we must trust that Jehovah knows what he is doing...

    oh yes, and as I stated above, our leader is Jesus, not Moses, not some self appointed gb, not anyone else. Agreed, God knows exactly what He is doing, thus the reason why He abolished that sort of religious headship and brought us closer individually.

     

     

     

    Jehovah’s Witnesses: Members Must Reject COVID-19 Plasma Treatment… Or Else

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    41 minutes ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

    It is NOT loyalty to the GB.

    It is fear of reprisals, banishment, and social ostracism.

    I have never even met anyone that is "loyal to the Governing Body".

    I can agree with you on this, but the underlying factor is that the social ostracism and banishment is directed by the gb, if you want to be right with God in their eyes. Which, I think is what you are saying here:

     

    44 minutes ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

    They do try to be loyal to God ...by obeying the non-inspired and all to often fallible and flat wrong, sometimes goofy self-aggrandizing teachings of the GB.

     

     

     

     

    44 minutes ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

    They alone are allowed to apostatize from their previous teachings, without severe punishment

    And right here you hit the nail on the head! 

    How does this make any sense to average jws? 

    Jehovah’s Witnesses: Members Must Reject COVID-19 Plasma Treatment… Or Else

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    7 minutes ago, Arauna said:

    I quote 4jah2me "it seems crazy to let yourself die" ...... well ..... jesus allowed himself to die in loyalty to his father...... 

    ok, but that is totally different then what 4jah2me was saying. Wasn't 4jah2me pointing out in Matt 12 that Jesus said we would save our sheep on the Sabbath, and then comparing that to how much more valuable a person is than a sheep? So just because it was the sabbath, we should still preserve ourselves the best we can? This hardly would apply to self killing because the gb said so. 

    12 minutes ago, Arauna said:

    There is a problem: he cannot see that a person should not value his life more than his obedience to God!!! 

    This is precisely what 4jah2me was saying. Stating that is ridiculous to die for what the gb has stated. the gb have positioned themselves AS God to jws, what they say goes.....and it matters not what the Bible says if it is in contrast to what the gb says. this was the point 4jah2me was making. 

     

    to compare Jesus' death to a person who chooses NOT to accept life saving techniques is absurd. Jesus could have easily healed His wounds, or made it possible to not die. He did die, to BE the sacrifice we all needed and to do it once and for all. A senseless death because of the burden the gb puts on people is in no way showing loyalty to God, instead it is showing loyalty to the gb.  

    Jehovah’s Witnesses: Members Must Reject COVID-19 Plasma Treatment… Or Else

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    33 minutes ago, Arauna said:

    Yea, I guess Jesus was also crazy (according to 4jah2me) to let himself die. Loyalty to God and his principles had nothing to do with it..... 

    Are you seriously equating Jesus death (for all of the sins of mankind) to a person who chooses to deny life saving practices based on what the gb have interpreted? 

    please explain this in more detail. 

    One of Jehovah’s Witnesses From Chekhov Deprived of the Bible in Jail. His Health Also Worsened

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    21 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

    published by the WTB&TS, i suspect, by license?

    But you are not required to carry that one, right? I mean you can carry one published by Zondervan or some other producer? I suspect so, but it probably isn't look at favorably.  I think that is because it has been manipulated. I've seen it in person. Not yours, but ones published by the society.

     

    21 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

    Any JW knows the difference between what is said in any other version, and what is written in an "off-brand" version.

     

    exactly. 

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