Shiwiii

they most certainly are and have stated such many times. You can deny it all you want but it is in print. 
Definition of context: the parts of a written or spoken statement that precede or follow a specific word or passage, usually influencing its meaning or effect. - Dictionary.com
This means that what is said prior to a statement, forms the idea behind the thought or meaning. Nothing in the printed publications give the idea you claim here when the wt states that one must be a baptized jw. 
also to add, why is Tony Morris instructing people to withhold a drivers license from a child until they get baptized? Shouldn't this be a choice by the child once the child is no longer a child? 

No truer words spoken. 
It really isn't the rank and files fault either, they have been conditioned over the years to think that way by the way the publications are worded. If they say it subtly enough times, its bound to stick. 

Absolutely inappropriate! It seems GB+Helpers+Elders+Organization is Anti-Type of JHVH as Type.  And Great Multitude is Anti-type of Moses as Type. :)) Really crazy illustration. 
Moses was human, so we can play illustrations with him as we wish, it is not so sensitive. But to compare GB and Elders position and role as same as God's? ... that is in area of blasphemy. 
 

God spoke of his nation under covenant as "children".   When they sinned, it was obvious that they lost their "value system" in God's laws.  We choose our father, we choose our course to follow - either we desire to become children of the Almighty Father, or children of the devil.  John 8:44  
I'm sure the devoted "children" of Jonestown believed their leaders valued their life, and they valued their own.   Were these people, "Christians"?  Did they adopt Christian values?
What were the beliefs of Peoples Temple members?
https://jonestown.sdsu.edu/?page_id=35356
Although a variety of beliefs existed in Peoples Temple, two main systems of thought can be identified. The first system, which tended to be concentrated in Jim Jones and a small leadership corps, comprised a belief in the salvific power of socialism. Somewhat atheistic, or at best agnostic, in nature, this belief resembled humanism in its understanding of the power of human beings to re-create and re-shape reality for the benefit of all. In this view, religion could be used to attract people into the organization so that the real message of Christianity — radical sharing and mutual support — could actually be lived. The second belief system in the Temple, and by far the largest, was a traditional Christianity which emphasized the prophetic call to social justice and a belief that the kingdom of God could be established on earth by living in an apostolic community. This system resembled the Social Gospel movement of the late 19th and early 20th centuries in its commitment to solving social problems; at the same time, however, the group had utopianist ideals which could only be lived out through the establishment of a community separate from the evil and injustice of the rest of the world, especially America.
Read the following quote posted on another forum.  Do you see anything that sounds familiar with your beliefs; anything in this quote that strikes a familiar chord?  I do, and as they say; familiarity breeds contempt.  
Deborah Layton, escapee, months before the Jim Jones, Jonestown Massacre -
"When your own thoughts are forbidden, when your questions are not allowed and our doubts are punished, when contacts with friendships outside of the organization are censored, we are being abused for the ends never justify the means. When our heart aches knowing we have made friendships and secret attachments that will be forever forbidden if we leave, we are in danger. When we consider staying in a group because we cannot bear the loss, disappointment and sorrow our leaving will cause for ourselves and those we may have come to love, we are in a cult... If there is any lesson to be learned it is that an ideal can never be brought about by fear, abuse, and the threat of retribution. When family and friends are used as a weapon in order to force us to stay in an organization, something has gone terribly wrong." (page 299 - excerpt from book, Seductive Poison).
 
 
Quote @Srecko Sostar - From given JW preaching, it could be concluded that WTJWorg considers its religious teachings as the foundation for its own religious morality. In fact, JWs claim that they are highly moral because they have “the truth”, that means "true religion" and "true teachings", "true religiosity". And because of that they are the most moral people on Earth. If they are such people, how it is possible that they collectively allow their fellow brothers aka WT lawyers to speak lies, to give false "testimony/witness"?? 
 
 

It is good to teach children 'values' and even teaching children about God and Christ, but that is different to brainwashing them with lies and false expectations. 
To push young children into baptism just because some other child has also been pushed into baptism, as if it's a competition. Then to disfellowship them when they go aganst the GB doctrines. 
This is very true 
“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize”
 

If you do not teach your children values, it does not mean that they grow up free and unencumbered and, when of age, select their own values from the rich cornucopia of life. 
No. All it means is that someone else will teach them

As to my knowledge, only in, from 2019 did WT make a change regarding testifying in a sexual offense.
... It is best that the witnesses give their testimony in the presence of the accused, although a victim of rape or of child sexual abuse is never required to do so..... - Shepherd book ch 16, par 2, 2019 edition

does this make it right? 
 
oh my , holier than thou spoken here. 
 
Seriously, you are defending the org, because it has been this way for x amount of years? so it should continue? it should be tolerated? Do you not have compassion? sorrow for those who have to go thru this? but its ok that the org does it because it's been this way? What happened to standing up for what is right and just? Would Jesus say "well its been this way for so long and back in 1992 they did it this way.........." I hardly doubt it. If you want the org to succeed, then you are a part of making it succeed, not a by standard who will protect at all costs. 
 
sorry if I am harsh, but this is BS. 

@John Houston Keep on deliberately blinding yourself. I laugh at people that use examples about the Nation of Israel. You seem to forget that those people were born into that Nation. However with JWs it is voluntary, so yes they should be 'perfect' in God's eyes through Christ. 
The difference is between sin due to being imperfect, or, sin due to deliberate actions. And you are misleading yourself if you think God or Christ is happy with the CCJW. 
Matthew 5 v 48 (to the Anointed ones ) You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
Or from the NWT.  You must accordingly be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
So, disagree with Almighty God if you wish, but it is not advisable.. 
And if you have first hand knowledge of the crimes committed in your Org, by the Elders and others, then you should have reported those things to the Police or other 'Superior Authorities'. So it seems that you are part of the problem. 

Why do JWs boast about "Jehovah's organization", but then "pass the buck" when they are accused of gross sin?
To 'pass the buck' is to evade responsibility by passing it on to someone else.
To shift or reassign the blame or responsibility (for something) to another person, group, or thing.
blame somebody or to make others responsible for a problem that you should deal with yourself. 

In April 2008, the Elders summoned Ria for questioning in connection with their investigation. (R. 83–84.) The Elders first questioned Ria (who was accompanied by her mother and stepfather) for 45 minutes about her interactions with Mr. Williams, including whether Ria had voluntarily engaged in sexual activity with him. (R. 84.) Having failed to obtain the information they wanted, the Elders then played an audio recording that Mr. Williams had provided that captured the sound of one of the times he had raped Ria. - https://www.law.georgetown.edu/icap/wp-content/uploads/sites/32/2019/11/Williams-Brief-for-Petitioner.pdf
Whether this is voluntary or forced sex, the question arises: why would a JW man record sex in his car? And then, why would he give the tape to JW elders?
And to top it all off, why would a legal body in the church accept such a recording unless it is a buy/sell situation? Is that Mr. Williams sells the record for a milder sentence and puts all the blame on Ria?

In Kenya, $100 of US money will buy two 90kg each, of maize and beans.  Plenty, for a family for a month, although it is a restricted diet, supported with greens that they may grow. That is, if they have the land to do so. 
This box, costing $75.00 requires a contribution from each member in a congregation to purchase it.  Also, there is a fee to update it regularly.  
How long will the spiritual food last, provided from that box?  A month? Maybe a year? (John 15:16)  Are these people spiritually nourished in the long run, by what it offers?  The “generation of 1914” who were not to die before the Kingdom arrived, were not spiritually nourished by the WT.  On their death bed, I am sure many realized that they were duped into eating worthless food.   (Matt 7:15-20)
“Which of you, if your son asks for bread, will give him a stone? 10 Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a snake? 11 If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to those who ask him! 12 So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.”  Matt 7:9-12
If you gave someone who is starving in Kenya, the choice of maize and beans, or a box showing men dressed in suits and expensive jewelry, making promises that a starving person cannot wrap their head around, what do you think they would choose? 
Jesus, the “light of the world”, and the apostles carried the “bread” of life in their words when preaching to the people. (John 8:12; 6:35; 1 Cor 10:17)  On many occasions, money was carried along also, to give to the poor and needy.  How does the WT have the nerve to ask for money, to provide a box that spouts their version of truth/lies?  Not only are donations expected, to sustain the organization, but it is also expected for individuals to pay for the spiritual food that the organization produces.  It sounds like a win-win situation for the WT.
Lies, in the form of failed prophesy, doctrine of both past and present that was, and is a lie, is darkness; and like oil on water, spiritual darkness offered by the GB, and spiritual light in the teachings of Christ, cannot be combined.
“So justice is far from us,
    and righteousness does not reach us.
We look for light, but all is darkness;
    for brightness, but we walk in deep shadows.” Isa 59:9
 We proclaim to you what we have seen and heard, so that you also may have fellowship with us. And our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son, Jesus Christ. 4 We write this to make our joy complete.
5 This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all. 6 If we claim to have fellowship with him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live out the truth.   1 John 1:3-6
 

You've totally changed the subject.  Is it because you see truth and don't want to face it?
Only Jesus’ flesh died; he lived on in the Spirit. He is immortal, and his faithful anointed who remain “in Christ”, also receive immortality at the death of their flesh.  My goodness, he is the SON of God, who is immortal. (1 Tim 1:17)  That immortality will only be given to the anointed, when they are sealed, and proven faithful as sons of God, as Jesus their Head proved to be.  (James 1:12; Rev 2:10; 14:4)
I preach the Jesus that scripture speaks of.  Perhaps you should consider what Jesus you are preaching. (2 Cor 11:4) 
“The Spirit is the one who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life.”  John 6:63
 “Therefore, do not be ashamed of the testimony about our Lord, nor me his prisoner, but suffer along with me for the gospel, according to the power of God, 9 who saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works but according to his own purpose and grace that was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began, 10 but has now been disclosed by the appearing of our Savior Jesus Christ, who has abolished death and brought to light life and immortality through the gospel,” 2 Tim 1:8-10
All of God’s children who are resurrected to eternal life in the Kingdom will receive “immortality”, since death will be destroyed at the end Armageddon; meaning no one who receives life in the Kingdom, will die a thousand years later. (1 Cor 15:26; 1 Cor 15:42)  Just as Adam, before he fell into sin, portrayed the ‘likeness’ of God, so will all of God’s children in the Kingdom.    Gen 5:1,2
The gospel, the word of Christ, contains eternal  life to those who embrace it and obey that Word. (John 8:47)
As a “new creation”, given to the anointed, one is both human and spirit, as Jesus showed us when appearing to the apostles after his flesh had died and he was resurrected. (2 Cor 5:17; Luke 24:5,6)  He appeared to them in different “fleshly” forms.  (Luke 24:13-16; Mark 16:12; 1 Cor 15:6,7)  The anointed will have that ability also.  (Gen 28:10-14; John 1:15)
 
"Immortality":
ἀφθαρσία aphtharsía, af-thar-see'-ah; from G862; incorruptibility; genitive, unending existence; (figuratively) genuineness:—immortality, incorruption, sincerity
“But whenever this perishable body puts on incorruptibility and this mortal body puts on immortality, then the saying that is written will take place:  “Death is swallowed up in victory.”  1 Cor 15:54
"Grace be with all who love our Lord Jesus Christ in incorruptibility."  Eph 6:24
 

hear hear! 
 
 
Only problem is that:
"you're gonna make Jehovah sad"
"you're going to bring reproach on Jehovah's organization" 
"you're going beyond what is written"
"listen to us, even if it sounds bats#it crazy"
 
 
 

I see the correlation to Matt 6:14.  Although I'm not sure  what believing in the trinity, or not, has to do with how the scripture is rendered.  These scriptures can be considered: 
“Then behold, they brought to Him a paralytic lying on a bed. When Jesus saw their faith, He said to the paralytic, “Son, be of good cheer; your sins are forgiven you.”
3 And at once some of the scribes said within themselves, “This Man blasphemes!”
4 But Jesus, knowing their thoughts, said, “Why do you think evil in your hearts? 5 For which is easier, to say, ‘Your sins are forgiven you,’ or to say, ‘Arise and walk’? 6 But that you may know that the Son of Man has power on earth to forgive sins”—then He said to the paralytic, “Arise, take up your bed, and go to your house.” 7 And he arose and departed to his house.
8 Now when the multitudes saw it, they marveled and glorified God, who had given such power to men.”  Matt 9:2-8
So He got into a boat, crossed over, and came to His own city.  Then behold, they brought to Him a paralytic lying on a bed. When Jesus saw their faith, He said to the paralytic, “Son, be of good cheer; your sins are forgiven you.”   Matt 9:1,2
If Jesus has been given the authority to judge, (John 5:22) and is the perfect image of God, (Col 1:15) he also has the authority to forgive.  Which means, the verse in Col 3:13 could correctly be rendered as Jesus Christ, the forgiver of sins; even if we do not believe in the trinity.  
“And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.”  Matt 28:18
“For as the Father raises the dead and gives life to them, even so the Son gives life to whom He will. 22 For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son, 23 that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.”  John 5:21-23
 
 
 

Key words here are "suppose to", but we know that isn't the case when it comes to jw's so far in Australia, England, Russia, Germany, Italy, America and more. 

repentant to whom? Not the men on the GB nor the elders, because they mean NOTHING! 

Technically, Bible Students never expected an invisible return of Christ, either in 1874 or 1914. It was only around 1876 that Russell "learned" that Jesus had returned invisibly in 1874. Even in 1916 when Russell died, he and other Bible Students still thought Jesus had returned invisibly in 1874. So no one was expecting an invisible return in 1914 either. The official "parousia" date was still 1874 until about 1943. By then, of course, it was too late to "expect" Jesus in 1914.
Close enough, but still not exactly, of course. In 1879, when the Watch Tower magazine was still pointing to 1881 as the date for their resurrection or "rapture," the change from a physical to a spiritual body would be necessarily "visible" in the sense that "Bible Students" ** believed that they would disappear from the earth, either leaving behind a "dead" physical body, or nothing. Thousands would see the glorious manifestation of the Christ by October 1881 with their new spiritual eyes (and spiritual bodies) in heaven. But this would also leave behind either thousands of dead bodies, or thousands of missing persons. Hard to keep something like that hidden.

True. But the Bible makes very clear that the parousia has its effect on those who do not know God, too.
(2 Thessalonians 1:7-10) 7 But you who suffer tribulation will be given relief along with us at the revelation of the Lord Jesus from heaven with his powerful angels 8 in a flaming fire, as he brings vengeance on those who do not know God and those who do not obey the good news about our Lord Jesus. 9 These very ones will undergo the judicial punishment of everlasting destruction from before the Lord and from the glory of his strength, 10 at the time when he comes to be glorified in connection with his holy ones and to be regarded in that day with wonder among all those who exercised faith. . .
The only way around this, is to claim something that the Bible never claims: that the "parousia" is different from "that day," "the revelation of the Lord Jesus from heaven" and "the time when he comes to be glorified in connection with his holy ones."
The Bible speaks of only one time when he comes to be glorified in connection with his holy ones" and that day is sometimes called the parousia.
Notice the parousia tied to the time he comes to be glorified in connection with his holy ones here:
(2 Thessalonians 2:1) . . .However, brothers, concerning the presence [parousia] of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him,. . .
Notice the parousia tied to the time he comes to be glorified in connection with his holy ones here:
(1 Thessalonians 4:15-17) . . .we the living who survive to the presence [parousia] of the Lord will in no way precede those who have fallen asleep in death; 16 because the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first. 17 Afterward we the living who are surviving will, together with them, be caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and thus we will always be with the Lord.
Notice the parousia tied to the time he comes to be glorified in connection with his holy ones here:
(Matthew 24:27-37) . . .so the presence [parousia] of the Son of man will be. . . .30 Then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he will send out his angels with a great trumpet sound, and they will gather his chosen ones together from the four winds, from one extremity of the heavens to their other extremity. . . . 36 “Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father. 37 For just as the days of Noah were, so the presence [parousia] of the Son of man will be.
(Mark 13:26, 27) 26 And then they will see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. 27 And then he will send out the angels and will gather his chosen ones together from the four winds, from earth’s extremity to heaven’s extremity.
Notice the parousia tied to the time he comes to be glorified in connection with his holy ones here:
(1 Thessalonians 3:13) 13 so that he may make your hearts firm, blameless in holiness before our God and Father at the presence [parousia] of our Lord Jesus with all his holy ones.
Therefore, the scriptures about the parousia and the day of Jehovah in the previous post still stand, too. The Bible makes no separation of the parousia from the revelation/manifestation of Jesus Christ in that day.
That day, that parousia, comes upon the righteous as well as the unrighteous at the same time:
(Luke 17:26-30) 26 Moreover, just as it occurred in the days of Noah, so it will be in the days of the Son of man: 27 they were eating, they were drinking, men were marrying, women were being given in marriage until that day when Noah entered into the ark, and the Flood came and destroyed them all. 28 Likewise, just as it occurred in the days of Lot: they were eating, they were drinking, they were buying, they were selling, they were planting, they were building. 29 But on the day that Lot went out of Sodʹom, it rained fire and sulfur from heaven and destroyed them all. 30 It will be the same on that day when the Son of man is revealed.
(Matthew 24:37, 38) 37 For just as the days of Noah were, so the presence [parousia] of the Son of man will be. 38 For as they were in those days before the Flood, eating and drinking, men marrying and women being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark,
Notice that the parousia is not paralleled with the days of Noah, but "that day" when Noah entered into the ark. Notice that the day the Son of man is revealed is not paralleled with the days of Lot, but "on the day" that Lot went out of Sodom.
The Bible never separates the revelation/manifestation from the parousia. In fact, the Bible uses the expression "manifestation of his parousia."

Wouldn't be the first time a jw woman got disfellowshipped for being raped.

@Arauna 
Oh dear, you still get Almighty God and the Org mixed up don't you ? 
Almighty God can be loved and served without the one loving being a JW.  And you use the word hate too freely IMO. 
I have no hate for anyone but i do have deep dislike for anyone deliberately misleading people. 
 

A Norwegian JW woman, who was sexually abused, was disfellowshipped for fornication. The woman first appealed inside the organization - without success. Feeling injustice, she then decided to sue Jehovah's Witnesses. The court decided last month that the disfellowshipping was against the Norwegian law and must be canceled. The court also ordered the local Jehovah's Witness organization to pay 100 000 NOK to the woman.
Here is the story, in a Norwegian newspaper.

The National Secular Society has urged Britain's charity regulators to ensure the restructuring of Jehovah's Witnesses (JW) charities does not obstruct victims of child abuse from claiming compensation.
The NSS has raised the issue with the Charity Commission for England and Wales and the Scottish charity regulator, OSCR, after a report on BBC Radio 4's Sunday programme this week.
The programme reported that the church is selling off substantial amounts of property and land that it owns. As part of a significant restructuring of the organisation, each congregation is being asked to dissolve its charitable status and merge – along with its assets – with the Kingdom Hall Trust.
The trust is a registered charity whose aims include being a "custodian trustee holding title to freehold and leasehold properties acquired as places of worship".
The assets mentioned on the Sunday programme included kingdom halls, which are used for worship and meetings.
An abuse survivor and lawyers who spoke to the programme expressed concern that such a restructuring could leave JW charities unable to pay potential liabilities.
A number of JW churches worldwide have been subject to investigations regarding their handling of sexual abuse allegations in recent years. In Australia, JW organisations have consolidated and sold properties worth millions of pounds amid a series of legal claims and a damning report from a royal commission.
NSS comment
NSS chief executive Stephen Evans said: "It is clearly not in the public interest for charities to be permitted to restructure in ways that may impede victims and survivors of abuse within these communities from claiming compensation.
"We therefore urge the Charity Commission to use all available powers to ensure that the restructuring of JW charities does not impede abuse victims' and survivors' ability to obtain settlements."
Jehovah's Witnesses and abuse in Britain
JW communities' handling of abuse allegations will come under increased scrutiny next month, when the Independent Inquiry on Child Sexual Abuse is due to conduct hearings on the issue.
In 2018 scores of alleged victims accused the JWs of a culture of cover-up of child sexual abuse. Earlier this year at least 20 former JWs launched legal action over abuse which they say they suffered.
In 2017 the Charity Commission severely criticised the New Moston Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses in Manchester over its handling of allegations of abuse.
And in 2016 the Supreme Court ruled that the Watch Tower and Bible Tract Society of Great Britain, which oversees JW congregations, couldn't prevent the commission from conducting an inquiry over its handling of abuse allegations.
This week's episode of the Sunday programme is available on the BBC website; listen from 5:20 to 21:45 for the relevant section.

Great words spoken here on this topic. Thank you Witness.

Arauna misses the point deliberately here. 
IF the Organisation had been run properly then God's Holy Spirit would have been with it constantly. And God through Christ, would have kept it clean.  They would have guided the True Anointed with Holy Spirit, to keep the Org' spiritually strong and going in the right direction.