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  1. 2 hours ago, Anna said:

    The Governing Body is not some infallible authority over us. Jesus and Jehovah do not give them direct revelations of what they should do or say.

    Yes, they are your infallible authority over you.

    And yes, "Jehovah" DOES speak through the watchtower.

    "commissioned to serve as the mouthpiece and active agent of Jehovah … commission to speak as a prophet in the name of Jehovah…" The Nations Shall Know that I am Jehovah" - How? pp.58,62

    "… commission to speak as a "prophet" in His name…" Watchtower 1972 Mar 15 p.189

    "The Watchtower is a magazine without equal in the earth …. This is not giving any credit to the magazine's publishers, but is due to the great Author of the Bible with it truths and prophecies, and who now interprets its prophecies." Watchtower 1943 Apr 15 p.127

    "The Watchtower is not the instrument of any man or set of men, nor is it published according to the whims of men. No man's opinion is expressed in The Watchtower. God feeds his own people, and surely God uses those who love and serve him according to his own will. Those who oppose The Watchtower are not capable of discerning the truth that God is giving to the children of his organization, and this is the very strongest proof that such opposers are not of God's organization." Watchtower 1931 Nov 1 p.327


    "Avoid independent thinking...questioning the counsel that is provided by God's visible organization. ( ie: the watchtower organisation )" (Watchtower, Jan. 15, 1983 pg. 22)


    "Fight against independent thinking." (Watchtower, Jan. 15, 1983 pg. 27 )


     

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  2. 41 minutes ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

    I would think intelligent people would consider the simplicity of a visual badge that sometimes companies use to identify such conventioneers to automatically include a discount on their bill rather than have to go through the trouble of having that person, prove it. How so! Oh! Intelligence! The freedom! To be or not to be, that is the question

    What ARE you going on about?

    So, you get "discounts" when you wear your organisation ( the watchtower ) logo?

     

    red herrings, much?


  3. 1 hour ago, Equivocation said:

    @Jesus.defender Not really. We are worshippers of Jehovah God. And we do what his son Jesus had commanded us to do, to preach the good news and to make discples. We also apply what qualities that Jesus expresses.

     

    For a defender if Jesus. Last I checked Jesus doesn't attack his fellow man, let alone a random stranger. 

    Really?

     

    "But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves. Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor!"

    He called people the sons of satan, liars, hypocrites and told them they were going to hell.

     


  4. On 6/25/2019 at 1:24 PM, BillyTheKid46 said:

    First creation was Jesus in heaven and firstborn as a man on earth.

    Wrong. The watchtower has LIED to you.

    Jesus created ALL things.

    the watchtower inserted the word "other" just before the word "things".

    But, the original does NOT say that!

    6ὅτι (because) ἐν (in) αὐτῷ (Him) ἐκτίσθη (were created) τὰ (-) πάντα (all things) ἐν (in) τοῖς (the) οὐρανοῖς (heavens) καὶ (and) ἐπὶ (upon) τῆς (the) γῆς (earth), τὰ (the) ὁρατὰ (visible) καὶ (and) τὰ (the) ἀόρατα (invisible), εἴτε (whether) θρόνοι (thrones) εἴτε (or) κυριότητες (dominions) εἴτε (or) ἀρχαὶ (rulers) εἴτε (or) ἐξουσίαι (authorities); τὰ (-) πάντα (all things) δι’ (through) αὐτοῦ (Him) καὶ (and) εἰς (unto) αὐτὸν (Him) ἔκτισται (have been created).


  5. On 6/25/2019 at 1:44 AM, Melinda Mills said:

    Jacob got rights of first born but he was not first born;

     

    You obviously did NOT read my post.

    what you SHOULD of said was "Jacob got rights of first born but he was not first created"

    On 6/25/2019 at 1:44 AM, Melinda Mills said:

    same with David, Jehovah gave him right of first born in relation to kingship. Jesus is therefore the greater David. Jehovah is developing his purpose since the time of the first rebellion in the Garden of Eden, so all his sayings reflected that he was developing for the future saving of the human race.

    Jesus is greated than david because Jesus CREATED david!

    On 6/25/2019 at 1:44 AM, Melinda Mills said:

     


    (Psalm 89:27) And I will place him as firstborn, The highest of the kings of the earth.

     

     


  6. 4 hours ago, derek1956 said:

    I believe we are witnesses of Jehovah 24/7 if there is a request to wear badges at a meal in a hotel it is a witness to everyone who is staying at the hotel also it reminds us we are not on holiday we are there because Jehovah invited us to be at His table for the spiritual food that we need at this time, you don`t have to wear your badge if you don`t want to give a witness and say this is how we are when we come to Jehovah`s table,  it may open the way for someone to give you the experience that you only hear about from others. If you moan about a small thing like the wearing of a badge at dinner at the hotel where you`re staying, then what are you going to do when we are instructed to do/go something that is not practical in our eyes,  just not do it, Small things we comply with will give us the determination to do a bigger life saving thing in the future. Please don`t squabble or moan about the small things LOOK at the bigger picture keep your minds on what Jehovah will bring

    No, you are witnesses of the watchtower.

     

     

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  7. On 7/2/2019 at 7:09 AM, Anna said:

    The good thing is, by the time one gets baptized as one of Jehovah's Witnesses one should have all those "own opinions on scripture" cleared up, otherwise one wouldn't get baptized as one of JW since one of the requirements is to agree with all 100 questions asked in the "organized book". 

    What name does the WT use for their baptisms?


  8. 3 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

    It's a matter of general credibility .... someone that is ALWAYS wrong about such things gets the credibility they deserve from rational people, and faith in their PRESUMABLY good intentions by others.

    Yes. And the watchtower has a history on being wrong on MANY topics.

    ie: Will the men of Sodom be resurrected?

    Yes....Watchtower 7/1879 page 8
    No.....Watchtower 6/1/52 page 338
    Yes....Watchtower 8/1/65, page 479
    No.....Watchtower 6/1/88, page 31
    Yes...Live Forever (old Ed.) page 179
    No....Live Forever (new Ed.) page 179
    Yes...Insight, vol. 2., page 985
    No...Revelation book, page 273.
     

    6,000 years from Adam ended in A.D. 1872. (Daily Heavenly Manna, inside cover page)

    6,000 years of human history ended in 1873.(The Time is at Hand, p.33)

    6,000 years of human history ended in 1972.(The Truth Shall Make You Free, p.152, 1943 edition)

    6,000 years of human history ended in 1975. (Awake!, October 8th, 1968, page 15).
     


  9. On 5/16/2016 at 5:36 PM, Queen Esther said:

    Hahahahahahaa... don't think, JW are dumb...  I never allow anyone to cut my own thinking ! ONLY Jehovah❤️ But YOU are playing here like a Bible actor, mixing old Bible times with some new times, that cant work how you want it !  Fight for Jesus, but wthout Jehovah, you NEVER will reach the goal for everlasting life, sorry ;-(  Good night for now !

    Then you are NOT a Jehovah's Witness.

    "Avoid independent thinking...questioning the counsel that is provided by God's visible organization. ( ie: the watchtower organisation )" (Watchtower, Jan. 15, 1983 pg. 22)


    "Fight against independent thinking." (Watchtower, Jan. 15, 1983 pg. 27 )
     

    "Fight for Jesus"

    That IS what i am doing right now, my friend.

    "but wthout Jehovah, you NEVER will reach the goal for everlasting life, sorry ;-("

    You are right. _I_ can do NOTHING. JESUS has already done it and promised me eternal, everlasting life.

    "These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God."

    "I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am, ye shall die in your sins." ( DO YOU BELIEVE JESUS IS THE I AM? )

    "Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." ( HAVE YOU BEEN BORN AGAIN? )

     


  10. On 6/25/2019 at 2:02 AM, Melinda Mills said:

    (Matthew 24:36) “Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father."

     

    Really? You could not even address the quotes i gave?

    This is your OWN material. it is NOT "apostate".

     

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  11. On 6/25/2019 at 3:57 AM, John Houston said:

    But where one was the first one born, was it correctly used? As when Jesus was called firstborn by his mother? Was he not the very first child born to her? And was not Jesus the first child born to God, among all the other sons in heaven, of all creation he was the first, because before anything came into existence it came by the will of God, not the Son. There has to be a Father. A Father makes a Son, not the other way around. Like the egg before the chicken? We know the chicken came first, because God with his Son created life first, not the egg, the animal,right? So his " ONLY BEGOTTEN " the one formed by his hands only, came first. And as the scriptures state all other life came through Jesus. So simple, common sense. One enitity with no beginning with a Son who was his only begotten.

    Address the verses i gave. Not just give your opinion.


  12. On 6/25/2019 at 1:24 PM, BillyTheKid46 said:

    1:15 ὅς ἐστιν εἰκὼν τοῦ θεοῦ τοῦ ἀοράτου, πρωτότοκος πάσης κτίσεως. The ἐν ᾧ (“in whom”) of 1:14 switched the focus from God (ὅς, 1:13) to Christ and thus made it possible to attach the lengthy hymnic description of Christ (running to six verses) by means of a further simple ὅς (“who”). The language used is unlike other traditional formulaic summaries of the gospel introduced elsewhere by the same relative pronoun (such as Rom. 3:25; 4:25; 8:34), which focus on the cross and resurrection of Christ. But the same phrase (“who is the image of God”) is used in 2 Cor. 4:4.

     

    Show me the source for this, please. which Bible, etc?

     

     First creation was Jesus in heaven and firstborn as a man on earth."

    That is NOT what the Bible teaches. You are twisting things to suit your theology.

    Let me guess, the WATCHTOWER taught you this.

    If Jesus created ALL things, then He cant have been created. The word "other" which the watchtower deceitfully inserts into your translation is NOT found anywhere in the original.


  13. On 6/25/2019 at 1:44 AM, Melinda Mills said:

    Jacob got rights of first born but he was not first born; same with David, Jehovah gave him right of first born in relation to kingship. Jesus is therefore the greater David. Jehovah is developing his purpose since the time of the first rebellion in the Garden of Eden, so all his sayings reflected that he was developing for the future saving of the human race.


    (Psalm 89:27) And I will place him as firstborn, The highest of the kings of the earth.

     

    Jacob was not first CREATED


  14. True. How can we trust the current "light" they have if it is going to "get brighter" or get replaced by "new light" maybe tomorrow?

    "Avoid independent thinking...questioning the counsel that is provided by God's visible organization. ( ie: the watchtower organisation )" (Watchtower, Jan. 15, 1983 pg. 22)


    "Fight against independent thinking." (Watchtower, Jan. 15, 1983 pg. 27 )


    "Thus the Bible is an organizational book and belongs to the Christian congregation as an organization ( ie: the watchtower ), not to individuals, regardless of how sincerely they may believe that they can interpret the Bible." (The Watchtower, Oct. 1, 1967, p. 587.)


    "All who want to understand the Bible should appreciate that the "greatly diversified wisdom of God" can become known only through Jehovah's channel of communication, the faithful and discreet slave.( ie: the watchtower )" (The Watchtower, Oct. 1, 1994, p. 8.)


    "So, does Jehovah have a prophet to help them, to warn them of dangers and to declare things to come?  These questions can be answered in the affirmative. Who is this prophet? . . . This "prophet" was not one man, but was a body of men and women. It was the small group of footstep followers of Jesus Christ, known at that time as International Bible Students. Today they are known as Jehovah's Christian witnesses . . . Of course, it is easy to say that this group acts as a "prophet" of God. It is another thing to prove it," (Watchtower, Apr. 1, 1972, p. 197).
     

    "commissioned to serve as the mouthpiece and active agent of Jehovah … commission to speak as a prophet in the name of Jehovah…" The Nations Shall Know that I am Jehovah" - How? pp.58,62

    "… commission to speak as a "prophet" in His name…" Watchtower 1972 Mar 15 p.189

    "The Watchtower is a magazine without equal in the earth …. This is not giving any credit to the magazine's publishers, but is due to the great Author of the Bible with it truths and prophecies, and who now interprets its prophecies." Watchtower 1943 Apr 15 p.127

    "The Watchtower is not the instrument of any man or set of men, nor is it published according to the whims of men. No man's opinion is expressed in The Watchtower. God feeds his own people, and surely God uses those who love and serve him according to his own will. Those who oppose The Watchtower are not capable of discerning the truth that God is giving to the children of his organization, and this is the very strongest proof that such opposers are not of God's organization." Watchtower 1931 Nov 1 p.327


  15. A cult would say things like:

     

    "Avoid independent thinking...questioning the counsel that is provided by God's visible organization. ( ie: the watchtower organisation )" (Watchtower, Jan. 15, 1983 pg. 22)


    "Fight against independent thinking." (Watchtower, Jan. 15, 1983 pg. 27 )
     

    "All who want to understand the Bible should appreciate that the "greatly diversified wisdom of God" can become known only through Jehovah's channel of communication, the faithful and discreet slave.( ie: the watchtower )" (The Watchtower, Oct. 1, 1994, p. 8.)
     

    “Persons who deliberately spread (stubbornly hold to and speak about) teachings contrary to Bible truth as taught by Jehovah's Witnesses are apostates.” Pay Attention to Yourselves and to All the Flock p.94
     

    “Do not look for excuses to associate with a disfellowshipped family member, for example, through e-mail.” Watchtower Study Edition 2013 Jan 15 p.16
     

    "So, does Jehovah have a prophet to help them, to warn them of dangers and to declare things to come?  These questions can be answered in the affirmative. Who is this prophet? . . . This "prophet" was not one man, but was a body of men and women. It was the small group of footstep followers of Jesus Christ, known at that time as International Bible Students. Today they are known as Jehovah's Christian witnesses . . . Of course, it is easy to say that this group acts as a "prophet" of God. It is another thing to prove it," (Watchtower, Apr. 1, 1972, p. 197).
     

    They will make FALSE prophecies:

     

    "In subsequent chapters we present proofs that the setting up of the Kingdom of God has already begun...And that the "battle of the great day of God almighty [revelation 16:14], which will end in A.D. 1914 with the complete overthrow of the earth's present rulership, is already commenced." SOURCE: "The Time is at Hand; 1889. ( note: The 1915 edition of this book changed "A.D. 1914" to "A.D. 1915." )
     

    "...the 'battle of the great day of God Almighty' (Revelation 16:14), which will end in A.D. 1914 with the complete overthrow of earth's present rulership, is already commenced," SOURCE: The Time Is at Hand, 1908 edition, p. 101.
     

    "Now, in view of recent labor troubles and threatened anarchy, our readers are writing to know if there may not be a mistake in the 1914 date. They do not see how present conditions can hold out so long under the strain. We see no reason for changing the figures - nor could we change them if we would. They are, we believe, God's dates, not ours. But bear in mind that the end of 1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of trouble." Zion's Watch Tower 1894 Jul 15 p.226
     

     

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  16. On 6/25/2019 at 3:26 AM, John Houston said:

    You did some research. I ask a very simple question using John 1:1. In that verse John writes that The Word is WITH God, how is that possible, that is not a straw man argument. Not above mankind's intelligence. How can the Word be WITH God then BE God. That is the question that has never been answered by ones who believe this false claim not taught fully in scripture. Remember ALL Scripture are inspired, so we cannot have one out of line, correct? I knew this before becoming a JW.

    Yes, it is difficult to comprehend, isn't it?

    You need to study Biblical Greek and Hebrew. I know the watchtower does NOT endorse this and does NOT allow independent thinking.

     

    also check out this verse that appears in the original language:  "Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ λόγος, καὶ ὁ λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν θεόν, καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος.". "En arkhêi ên ho lógos, kaì ho lógos ên pròs tòn theón, kaì theòs ên ho lógos."

     

    Check out also the word "ὑπόστασις " 


  17. 2 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

    @John Houston The deserter tends to repeat himself, with the same nonsense as last time. Easily refutable.

    @Matthew9969 Restorationist are not Trinitarians and that setup is rather stale compared to what Atheists already call us because of the silliness of Trinitarianism. Christians regardless of how they view even JWs, always and will ever defend actual truth about God and his Son, and as seen here, we know whose side someone is representing, which adds more fuel to what is already brought up at Hyde.

     

    @Jesus.defender  You posted this stuff last time - everything you mentioned had been refuted. But this is understanable, Trinitarian has been at it's deathbed at the beginning of 2015, and absurdities such as yours shows how much of the Trinity doctrine is dying, as is with it being surpassed by Christian minorities and the likes of Islam, that is, more evident in the EU.

    That being said, Trinitarian scholars admit that they've been lying a lie due to using Bible errors as proof of Jesus being God until some of the most prominent among you admitted, as is with others to such. It is over.

      

    As usual, more LIES from you with ZERO proof.

    the watchtower has LIED to you


  18. 6 hours ago, Matthew9969 said:

    The watchtower has again redefined the word trinity to mean Jehovah, Jesus, and the governing body.

    Good point. I haven't thought of it that way.

     


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