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    Anna reacted to JW Insider in The disgusting thing that causes desolation...   
    The theme of the Bible is the Kingdom of God which is a government, a heavenly organization (an administration at the full limit of the appointed time) that brings all creation back into harmony with Jehovah's original purpose.  This is the Kingdom through which God's will is to be accomplished in heaven and on earth. Our responsibility as Christians is to declare this Kingdom to all the inhabited earth as a witness to all the nations before the end comes.
    I believe that Jesus is now reigning as king, and I believe we are living in the last days and that we should be always preparing our hearts for the next glorious manifestation of that Kingdom which may surprise us at any moment. And I believe that as an organization we are focusing on the most important ministry for our time, the world-wide preaching of the good news that there will be a new heaven and a new earth, and in these righteousness is to dwell. I believe we should be always watchful to live up to Jehovah's high moral standards, and that we all fall short many times. When we do fall short, we have someone who pleads for us based on his ransom sacrifice, and this gives us a completely undeserved standing before Jehovah. That standing is not based on our works, our research, our knowledge, our ministry, or our righteousness  in any way. It is only based on our faith and love in Jehovah which properly motivates our speech and actions and thoughts. We are encouraged to remain faithful by association with like-minded persons (related to us in the faith) and we encourage one another mutually especially in the congregational arrangement which we have matched as closely as possible to the same arrangement in the first century.
    Of course I also don't believe in Trinity or immortality of the soul or eternal punishment or celebrating worldly holidays, but this is only a small part of our Christianity.
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    Anna reacted to JW Insider in The disgusting thing that causes desolation...   
    I have only rejected our traditional chronology. There are a couple of other teachings I have questioned which seem closely related to our chronology, e.g., related to the "other sheep" [1935] and the "first resurrection" [1918]) which I am willing to discuss, but I am not so concerned about the exact answers on those questions. The WTS doctrine on these other issues must be very close to correct even if the exact scriptures we use might sometimes result in some contradictions.
    And I only reject the chronology (for now) because I can't conscientiously see how it can fit the scriptures and the theme of the Bible. If you or anyone else can make it work, I have no problem with that. I'm still looking to be convinced from scripture, and I'm grateful for all the feedback and push-back that comes with this sort of endeavor. I've found a place here to express my opinions, and never expected those opinions to be popular, or to make me popular. I'm not surprised at all at your own opinions about me. I had the same opinions about the brothers from whom I first heard such ideas. And although most of those brothers have died faithfully while still serving in the organization, some of those brothers are also still faithfully serving Jehovah in the organization. You are right that many or most of these ideas are not original.
    Also, please don't think I expected any kind of long dissertation from you in response. I would welcome any response from you. But your long dissertations are usually focused on other subjects such as politics, science, medicine and related topics. I've learned a lot from those even though you know I don't agree with several of your political views. I know my own responses are usually too long. When a question or issue comes up, I tend to just write down a lot of the things that inform why I have said the things I have said. It's more for the sake of trying to get a lot of those thoughts down in writing, so that anyone who wishes can provide counter-arguments. Often there is more than one scripture that appears to tie things together. Often these are the same groups of scriptures that the NWT already ties together in the footnotes.
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    Anna got a reaction from Arauna in The disgusting thing that causes desolation...   
    BUT what we taught and teach about the way to salvation is right.  I don't think jumping the gun with regard to the timing of the most wonderful day that will bring peace to the earth disqualifies one from getting saved. I don't find any scriptures that would support that concept. What does disqualify one is giving up. 
    "For the righteous one may fall seven times, and he will get up again, But the wicked will be made to stumble by calamity" Proverbs 24:16
    "But the one who has endured to the end will be saved" Matt 24:13
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    Anna reacted to Thinking in Health PSA - Colchicine can kill you   
    Huge respect to you….!!!!! What you did was very brave…..I agree with all that you said…thank goodness your wife has you …
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    Anna reacted to xero in Health PSA - Colchicine can kill you   
    This is certainly true. One thing I use as a metric for competency in other fields is this musing:
    X- "Hey xero, are you smart or stupid?"
    X-reply "It depends. I have taken IQ tests and they suggest I'm @150, but when I factor in my ADD it could simply mean I can get stupid faster than 99.9% of the idiots"
    X-"Sure, but don't you also quickly figure out how stupid you've been?"
    X-"I suppose that's true. What are you getting at?"
    X-"So, X, you've been working in IT since 1978, in many, many different capacities, mostly all highly technical. Would you call yourself an expert?"
    X-"I suppose some people would think that, but I know that what I know is way less than what someone else imagines I know. What I "know" is how to approach solving a technical problem. The rest are details and trial and error."
    X-"So that's the case w/you in your own field. What would cause you to imagine it wasn't the case w/every other expert?"
    X-"Good point!"
    So when I see an "expert" not display humility and act as if they've got it all figured out "the science is settled!" I know I'm seeing either an incredibly incompetent individual who has either shielded himself or been shielded from the consequences of his own incompetence so as to not have acquired the self-knowledge required to change his attitude, or a politician who's pushing an agenda (follow the money).
    Also, people following their own interests w/o collusion CAN look like a conspiracy, when it's simply group-think. (see all the hipsters who look alike - did they all get memos, or did they catch some social semiotics and change in behavior/looks because of these subliminal messages they've become attuned to?)
     
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    Anna reacted to TrueTomHarley in Health PSA - Colchicine can kill you   
    In the US, Covid 19 deaths have topped 600K. I’ve come to believe that the majority were preventable but for the prevailing meme that it was untreatable, that one with a positive case should sit at home, take fluids and bed rest, and only if it got really bad, go to the hospital—by which time is was often too late.
    The last physical I had I asked my doctor if were to come down with Covid, would he be able to treat it? Of course i can, he said, almost surprised at the question. He went on to relate a few drugs he has used to treat patients—he has done many—and they are some of the same drugs condemned in ‘high places’ as ineffective or even dangerous. You have mentioned some of them. We use them all the time, he says. They work fine in combination.
    He’s an older man and thus not so likely to be intimidated as is a younger doctor just starting out, beholden to many and intent upon paying off medical school debts.
    There was a time I used to dismiss all talk of ‘conspiracy theories’—not on the grounds that people were not evil enough—they can easily be that—but on the basis that they were not smart enough, that there were too many stories that must be corroborated for a theory to hold up and it would be too easy for others to punch holes in it. It’s a bit like how Abraham Lincoln once said that he was not smart enough to lie, meaning that once he did, he would have to adjust every subsequent statement to harmonize with that first lie, and he would surely trip himself up in the intent.
    But now I see that concern is not the operative one. You simply can repeat anything loudly and repeatedly, drown out the competition, or even pull the plug on them, and eventually people believe whatever they’re told. It doesn’t matter if people punch holes in it. You simply shout them down and call them quacks.
     
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    Anna reacted to xero in Health PSA - Colchicine can kill you   
    FYI - If you ever have a loved one get hospitalized for some cardiac situation and the cardiologist prescribes colchicine to reduce fluid buildup around the pericardium, be aware of side effects the doctor's themselves may not be aware of.
    Colchicine has been used for hundreds of years for gout and recently has been used to reduce cardiac inflammation. It may also do other things if the patient stays on it too long.
    In my case my wife was on it for a few months, but in that time and unbeknownst to me because of her polymyalgia rheumatica situation I didn't realize it was damaging her nerves, her muscles and her brain. She lost thirty pounds in this time, couldn't eat, would vomit, became weak and incontinent, was in deep muscle pain and neither the rheumatologist nor the primary care physician made the connection. In fact it was ignored when I mentioned it to her primary care physician.
    So rather than watch my wife die, I took her off the colchicine and to deal with the pain I gave her 500 mg of acetominophen w/600 mg of N-Acetyl-Cysteine (3 x a Day) (an amino acid given to counter the potential liver damage from the acetominophen). I suspected the colchicine was the culprit. True the symptoms didn't come on quickly, but colchicine can build up in a person's system. She couldn't sit up in bed, I had to help her get on and off the commode and wipe her. I had to shower her. She didn't know at times what day of the week it was.
    After a week and a half off the colchicine, the muscle pain went away, but the extreme weakness and all the other things associated w/colchicine poisoning existed.  I googled and tried to pack in every possible supplement associated w/assisting people w/alzheimers or traumatic brain injury or nerve damage.
    Alpha-GPC, CDP-choline, Co-Q10, NAD+, Vinpocetine, Phenylpiracetam, Noopept, Acetyl-L-Carnitine, L-Carnosine, Fish Oil, Sulbuitamine (just to list a few). I shelled all these and packed them into a protein shake (w/creatine, and hmb) and argued w/her to drink at least this once a day. I used red light therapy on her head as well.
    It's three months now and she's back to better than normal. (Although as soon as she really started to improve dramatically, her hair started to fall out - apparently hair will go dormant under stress and when the stress is gone, it sheds....right now she has "zombie-hair" but we can see it's growing back in.
    She's not taking everything that I packed into her shake every day now, but now I can actually leave the house w/o worry. Before this I couldn't leave 20 minutes w/o worrying that I'd find her on the bathroom floor.
     
    Anyway, just know that no one is as interested in your health or the health of your loved ones as you are. You're ultimately responsible. Doctors aren't necessarily geniuses.
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    Anna reacted to TrueTomHarley in The disgusting thing that causes desolation...   
    “911–what is your emergency?”
    “WHAT IS MY EMERGENCY? What isn’t? The world is going to hell in a hand basket, my loved ones have died, the neighbors who torment me have not, I don’t know why God permits constant suffering, I feel so much pressure and I don’t know how much longer I can hang on! Please, please, help me. Can’t you do something?”
    “No, little dog, I can’t. I do have a manual in front of me, but no one here has a clue how to read it. You’ll just have to suck it up. When my boss gets in, Mr. Trueanointed, he’ll have an answer for you, but I have no idea where he is. We’ve been paging him for years.”
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    Anna reacted to TrueTomHarley in The disgusting thing that causes desolation...   
    No one has commented on the new ranking system here yet. Software imposed, I think, I am racking up so many honors as to make anyone’s head spin. Within just a few days time, I went from apprentice to innovator to a few other things. They come as quickly as a rabbit makes bunnies. Soon it will be a Vadaresque “the pupil has become the master,” and I will command anyone saying dumb things to choke himself with his own hand.
    Nobody better mess with me, that’s all I can say, with all the badges I am being awarded. It’s the first thing I do upon arising—check to see if I have any more. On this forum only, I am clearly conquering and completing my conquest. Alas, I see PSomH also shares my rank—okay, quality of comment carries no weight—and JWI even has a medal I don’t have. But Pudgy and most others are only clappers.
    Long ago and to my surprise, I surpassed curmudgeonly JTR, the ol pork chop. Much to my surprise, I looked at the stats, and saw that my comments had surpassed his. “What’s wrong, big boy, cat got your tongue?” I said. He was so demoralized that he presently left off commenting.
    “Patiently sitting on my hands,” even “patiently waiting for the True Anointed,” does not convey the image of vigorous activity. It smacks far more of “giving up.”
    Yes. Tell James he’s full of hot air when he says “faith without works is dead.” What was he smoking?
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    Anna got a reaction from Pudgy in The disgusting thing that causes desolation...   
    BUT what we taught and teach about the way to salvation is right.  I don't think jumping the gun with regard to the timing of the most wonderful day that will bring peace to the earth disqualifies one from getting saved. I don't find any scriptures that would support that concept. What does disqualify one is giving up. 
    "For the righteous one may fall seven times, and he will get up again, But the wicked will be made to stumble by calamity" Proverbs 24:16
    "But the one who has endured to the end will be saved" Matt 24:13
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    Anna got a reaction from JW Insider in The disgusting thing that causes desolation...   
    BUT what we taught and teach about the way to salvation is right.  I don't think jumping the gun with regard to the timing of the most wonderful day that will bring peace to the earth disqualifies one from getting saved. I don't find any scriptures that would support that concept. What does disqualify one is giving up. 
    "For the righteous one may fall seven times, and he will get up again, But the wicked will be made to stumble by calamity" Proverbs 24:16
    "But the one who has endured to the end will be saved" Matt 24:13
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    Anna got a reaction from BroRando in The disgusting thing that causes desolation...   
    BUT what we taught and teach about the way to salvation is right.  I don't think jumping the gun with regard to the timing of the most wonderful day that will bring peace to the earth disqualifies one from getting saved. I don't find any scriptures that would support that concept. What does disqualify one is giving up. 
    "For the righteous one may fall seven times, and he will get up again, But the wicked will be made to stumble by calamity" Proverbs 24:16
    "But the one who has endured to the end will be saved" Matt 24:13
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    Anna reacted to TrueTomHarley in The disgusting thing that causes desolation...   
    They did predict that the little one would become a thousand. And he did.
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    Anna reacted to JW Insider in The disgusting thing that causes desolation...   
    Same thing happened when @Arauna accused you of the following yesterday:
    And something even worse for you before that. But I responded to some of it knowing she actually meant to address it to me instead of you. Hopefully others can see that the problem is when someone quotes PERSON A from a response given by PERSON B, instead of going back to the original post by PERSON A. It makes it appear that PERSON B said what PERSON A actually said.
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    Anna got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in The disgusting thing that causes desolation...   
    I know. But you do have a point of course. I will wait for what JWI's response is to your observation. In the mean time, although the Bible was written for humans, it is a riddle sometimes, and we are having to keep readjusting our understanding. Jehovah sure is making us work hard.
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    Anna got a reaction from ComfortMyPeople in The disgusting thing that causes desolation...   
    I am trying to consolidate the two ideas; a) where Jesus was indeed enthroned in the 1st century, after his resurrection (the scriptures clearly say so), b) with him not starting his full kingly duties until the 20th century. I think one way this could work is if we look at the timing from God's perspective, rather than a human perspective. As I mentioned before, it would seem odd that Jesus would be king twiddling his thumbs for two thousand years. But how about just “waiting” two days? After all, a thousand years is like a day in the heavenly realms. JWI already alluded to the spiritual side rather than the material side of this issue. Spiritually speaking, Jesus could have begun conquering straight after his resurrection, since after his resurrection the way for salvation had been opened up. I think that is what the WT teaches also (that he became king of the Christian congregation and of any faithful ones thereafter…) and the big 2-thousand-year “break” to us, is not a big break to Jehovah and Jesus, just merely waiting two days for the wheat to finish ripening so the harvest can begin…
    As for throwing Satan out of heaven, I don't see why that couldn't have happened in the 1st century. It would coincide with what happened on the ground. Satan went to wage war against the holy ones; with resulting apostasy overtaking the true Christian congregation.
    I think all of us (JWs) are naturally hoping for Jesus final conquest, and that setting up of paradise earth will occur very soon now (just around the corner…etc.) I don't want to see another loved one die. I don't want to die. I want to see sickness and death done away with. I want to see all the causes of heartache and sorrow gone and the earth breathe a sigh of relief when all of mankind's greed and evilness are finally gone. It is a very attractive concept believing that since 1914 Jesus means business, and within a few minutes after that (in spiritual time) he will complete his conquest. It gives us hope, and something to look forward to.  At the same time, the truth is we have got all of our time expectations wrong so far.  I hate saying it, but we have, and if anyone is truly honest, they will admit that this is so. With respect to 1914 our expectations were wrong, and a disappointment to many, and then followed other dates, which too were wrong. I see a pattern here. A yearning for all the things I have described above, but “postponed” every generation. Today, the talk is “within 20 years at maximum”. It would be wonderful, yes and no. I might still be alive, but my parents won’t be. I don’t want to watch my mom die. So, my hope is it will happen within the next 10 years, or within 5 years even better and next year even better than that! We will have to wait and see as the saying goes. And if it doesn’t come within the next 20 years….I wonder what we will come up with next….
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    Anna got a reaction from JW Insider in The disgusting thing that causes desolation...   
    I am trying to consolidate the two ideas; a) where Jesus was indeed enthroned in the 1st century, after his resurrection (the scriptures clearly say so), b) with him not starting his full kingly duties until the 20th century. I think one way this could work is if we look at the timing from God's perspective, rather than a human perspective. As I mentioned before, it would seem odd that Jesus would be king twiddling his thumbs for two thousand years. But how about just “waiting” two days? After all, a thousand years is like a day in the heavenly realms. JWI already alluded to the spiritual side rather than the material side of this issue. Spiritually speaking, Jesus could have begun conquering straight after his resurrection, since after his resurrection the way for salvation had been opened up. I think that is what the WT teaches also (that he became king of the Christian congregation and of any faithful ones thereafter…) and the big 2-thousand-year “break” to us, is not a big break to Jehovah and Jesus, just merely waiting two days for the wheat to finish ripening so the harvest can begin…
    As for throwing Satan out of heaven, I don't see why that couldn't have happened in the 1st century. It would coincide with what happened on the ground. Satan went to wage war against the holy ones; with resulting apostasy overtaking the true Christian congregation.
    I think all of us (JWs) are naturally hoping for Jesus final conquest, and that setting up of paradise earth will occur very soon now (just around the corner…etc.) I don't want to see another loved one die. I don't want to die. I want to see sickness and death done away with. I want to see all the causes of heartache and sorrow gone and the earth breathe a sigh of relief when all of mankind's greed and evilness are finally gone. It is a very attractive concept believing that since 1914 Jesus means business, and within a few minutes after that (in spiritual time) he will complete his conquest. It gives us hope, and something to look forward to.  At the same time, the truth is we have got all of our time expectations wrong so far.  I hate saying it, but we have, and if anyone is truly honest, they will admit that this is so. With respect to 1914 our expectations were wrong, and a disappointment to many, and then followed other dates, which too were wrong. I see a pattern here. A yearning for all the things I have described above, but “postponed” every generation. Today, the talk is “within 20 years at maximum”. It would be wonderful, yes and no. I might still be alive, but my parents won’t be. I don’t want to watch my mom die. So, my hope is it will happen within the next 10 years, or within 5 years even better and next year even better than that! We will have to wait and see as the saying goes. And if it doesn’t come within the next 20 years….I wonder what we will come up with next….
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    Anna got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in The disgusting thing that causes desolation...   
    OK, so you are trying to destroy my amazing theory above
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    Anna got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in The disgusting thing that causes desolation...   
    I am trying to consolidate the two ideas; a) where Jesus was indeed enthroned in the 1st century, after his resurrection (the scriptures clearly say so), b) with him not starting his full kingly duties until the 20th century. I think one way this could work is if we look at the timing from God's perspective, rather than a human perspective. As I mentioned before, it would seem odd that Jesus would be king twiddling his thumbs for two thousand years. But how about just “waiting” two days? After all, a thousand years is like a day in the heavenly realms. JWI already alluded to the spiritual side rather than the material side of this issue. Spiritually speaking, Jesus could have begun conquering straight after his resurrection, since after his resurrection the way for salvation had been opened up. I think that is what the WT teaches also (that he became king of the Christian congregation and of any faithful ones thereafter…) and the big 2-thousand-year “break” to us, is not a big break to Jehovah and Jesus, just merely waiting two days for the wheat to finish ripening so the harvest can begin…
    As for throwing Satan out of heaven, I don't see why that couldn't have happened in the 1st century. It would coincide with what happened on the ground. Satan went to wage war against the holy ones; with resulting apostasy overtaking the true Christian congregation.
    I think all of us (JWs) are naturally hoping for Jesus final conquest, and that setting up of paradise earth will occur very soon now (just around the corner…etc.) I don't want to see another loved one die. I don't want to die. I want to see sickness and death done away with. I want to see all the causes of heartache and sorrow gone and the earth breathe a sigh of relief when all of mankind's greed and evilness are finally gone. It is a very attractive concept believing that since 1914 Jesus means business, and within a few minutes after that (in spiritual time) he will complete his conquest. It gives us hope, and something to look forward to.  At the same time, the truth is we have got all of our time expectations wrong so far.  I hate saying it, but we have, and if anyone is truly honest, they will admit that this is so. With respect to 1914 our expectations were wrong, and a disappointment to many, and then followed other dates, which too were wrong. I see a pattern here. A yearning for all the things I have described above, but “postponed” every generation. Today, the talk is “within 20 years at maximum”. It would be wonderful, yes and no. I might still be alive, but my parents won’t be. I don’t want to watch my mom die. So, my hope is it will happen within the next 10 years, or within 5 years even better and next year even better than that! We will have to wait and see as the saying goes. And if it doesn’t come within the next 20 years….I wonder what we will come up with next….
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    Anna got a reaction from Pudgy in The disgusting thing that causes desolation...   
    I am trying to consolidate the two ideas; a) where Jesus was indeed enthroned in the 1st century, after his resurrection (the scriptures clearly say so), b) with him not starting his full kingly duties until the 20th century. I think one way this could work is if we look at the timing from God's perspective, rather than a human perspective. As I mentioned before, it would seem odd that Jesus would be king twiddling his thumbs for two thousand years. But how about just “waiting” two days? After all, a thousand years is like a day in the heavenly realms. JWI already alluded to the spiritual side rather than the material side of this issue. Spiritually speaking, Jesus could have begun conquering straight after his resurrection, since after his resurrection the way for salvation had been opened up. I think that is what the WT teaches also (that he became king of the Christian congregation and of any faithful ones thereafter…) and the big 2-thousand-year “break” to us, is not a big break to Jehovah and Jesus, just merely waiting two days for the wheat to finish ripening so the harvest can begin…
    As for throwing Satan out of heaven, I don't see why that couldn't have happened in the 1st century. It would coincide with what happened on the ground. Satan went to wage war against the holy ones; with resulting apostasy overtaking the true Christian congregation.
    I think all of us (JWs) are naturally hoping for Jesus final conquest, and that setting up of paradise earth will occur very soon now (just around the corner…etc.) I don't want to see another loved one die. I don't want to die. I want to see sickness and death done away with. I want to see all the causes of heartache and sorrow gone and the earth breathe a sigh of relief when all of mankind's greed and evilness are finally gone. It is a very attractive concept believing that since 1914 Jesus means business, and within a few minutes after that (in spiritual time) he will complete his conquest. It gives us hope, and something to look forward to.  At the same time, the truth is we have got all of our time expectations wrong so far.  I hate saying it, but we have, and if anyone is truly honest, they will admit that this is so. With respect to 1914 our expectations were wrong, and a disappointment to many, and then followed other dates, which too were wrong. I see a pattern here. A yearning for all the things I have described above, but “postponed” every generation. Today, the talk is “within 20 years at maximum”. It would be wonderful, yes and no. I might still be alive, but my parents won’t be. I don’t want to watch my mom die. So, my hope is it will happen within the next 10 years, or within 5 years even better and next year even better than that! We will have to wait and see as the saying goes. And if it doesn’t come within the next 20 years….I wonder what we will come up with next….
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    Anna reacted to TrueTomHarley in The disgusting thing that causes desolation...   
    No, I plead ignorance. Your remark posted as I was writing mine. I hadn’t seen it.
    You know I wouldn’t dare cross you.  
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    Anna reacted to JW Insider in The disgusting thing that causes desolation...   
    It does seem odd, doesn't it? But part of the problem is that you are not really quoting the verse exactly:
    (Revelation 6:2)  And I saw, and look! a white horse, and the one seated on it had a bow; and a crown was given him, and he went out conquering and to complete his conquest.
    In fact, in Greek, this doesn't say anything about "completing" his conquest. Literally it says:
    ". . . he went out conquering, and  in order to conquer."
    See almost every other translation to see this:
    and he rode out as a conqueror bent on conquest." (NIV) and he came out conquering, and to conquer. (ESV) and (NASB) and (RSV) etc and he went out as a conqueror in order to conquer. (SCB) So, it sounds like he was already considered a conqueror at the time he began his ride, but that it could be a whole other phase when he actually completed his conquest. For all we know, that phase could have started in this last generation, even, dare I say it: 1914. But, it makes sense that he began his ride when he was given a crown. And Hebrews says he was given a crown (and a scepter) when he sat down at the right hand of the throne of Majesty.
    (Hebrews 2:9) . . .But we do see Jesus, who was made a little lower than angels, now crowned with glory and honor. . .
    (Acts 2:30, 31) . . .God had sworn to him with an oath that he would seat one of his offspring on his throne, 31 he foresaw and spoke about the resurrection of the Christ,. . .
    The idea that Jesus hasn't accomplished much is probably just our human perspective compared to the incomprehensible spiritual realm.
    After all, how long is this "season"?
    (Romans 3:26) . . .This was to demonstrate his own righteousness in this present season,. . .
    How long is this "day"?
    (2 Corinthians 6:2) . . .Now is the especially acceptable time. Look! Now is the day of salvation.
    How long is this "season & hour"?
    (Romans 13:11) . . .And do this because you know the season, that it is already the hour for you to awake from sleep, for now our salvation is nearer than at the time when we became believers.
    How long is this "hour"?
    (1 John 2:18) Young children, it is the last hour, and just as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have appeared, from which fact we know that it is the last hour.
    Revelation itself is "book-ended" like this:
    (Revelation 1:1) . . .A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. . .
    (Revelation 22:20) . . .The one who bears witness of these things says, ‘Yes, I am coming quickly.’”. . .
    Perhaps the holy spirit allowed for what appears to be "human hyperbole" in scripture, in the same way that @Thinking has spoken about Jehovah being aware of (and therefore "permitting") false dates being thrown around in modern times. Perhaps such language is not just permitted, but even expected to work as a kind of "crutch" for us. As you and others have implied: Where might we have been without it?
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    Anna reacted to TrueTomHarley in The disgusting thing that causes desolation...   
    And yet the Bible IS written for humans. Why use analogies that they can’t possibly identify with?
    Go too far in this vein and I am reminded of PSomH, who spouts the most ridiculous things and then “proves” them by saying, “With God all things are possible!”
    At the very least, for your point to hold, put Jesus on an old nag plodding along, not a charging stallion.
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    Anna got a reaction from JW Insider in The disgusting thing that causes desolation...   
    I am like you, I honestly do not worry about dates, at all, and it irritates me when the GB seem to "worry" about them. There is an interesting quote in the latest WT study magazine which seems very telling on themselves. (August) study article 31: "That is why we must never blame Jehovah if something does not happen as quickly as we think it should. For example, many have been praying for years to see God’s Kingdom bring an end to this system of things. Jesus even said that we should pray for this. (
    Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. ) But how foolish it would be if someone allowed his faith in God to weaken because the end did not come when humans expected it!" The bold is not mine but in the WT.
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    Anna reacted to JW Insider in The disgusting thing that causes desolation...   
    You're right. I didn't mean to impute wrong motives. I meant that it's a human weakness, not even thought about on a conscious level. If we look at all the other persons who have tried to do the same thing throughout history, it's easier to see that it's not done by bad people (usually). The overt motive is usually very good. But it keeps happening, and is happening again right now, even though there is a perfectly good solution to continue "on the watch" with humility and without dogmatism. The WTS publications are now much better, since the last prediction (two overlapping lifespans from 1914) is much looser than all others, but it's still out there. And it came up in a meeting for service this morning too. The motive was of course encouragement that we don't have to put up with this system much longer. But this thread was started with the idea that special "gnosis" is available on the topic, and I do think it smacks of the "old style" even to a much greater degree than was used around 1968-1973. 
    That's because your illustration focuses on the term "keep on the watch" as if we are watching for signs or for a prophetic time fulfillment. I think that's not what any verse about keep on the watch ever meant. It means watching what sort of persons we ought to be, knowing that we are already in the "time and season" where the end could come at any moment, and that it might not come during our lifetime, or it might come at a time when our hearts are not prepared.
    (Ephesians 5:15-17) . . .So keep strict watch that how you walk is not as unwise but as wise persons, 16 making the best use of your time, because the days are wicked. 17 On this account stop being unreasonable, but keep perceiving what the will of Jehovah is.
    (2 Peter 3:11, 12) 11 Since all these things are to be dissolved in this way, consider what sort of people you ought to be in holy acts of conduct and deeds of godly devotion, 12 as you await and keep close in mind the presence of the day of Jehovah, . . .
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