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AudreyAnnaNana posted a topic in Jehovah’s Witnesses's TopicsBible Verses on Timing and What They Mean I. Three and a half years A. "A time, times, and half a time" (Daniel 7:25) B. "An appointed time, appointed times, and half a time" (Daniel 12:7) C. "The appointed times" (Luke 21:24) D. "A time and times and half a time" (Revelation 12:14) E. "42 months" (Revelation 13:5) II. Days A. "2,300 evenings and mornings" (Daniel 8:14) B. "1,260 days" (Revelation 12:6) C. "1,290 days" (Daniel 12:11) D. "1,335 days" (Daniel 12:12) The Bible shows that the great tribulation will last 3 1/2 years. Daniel 7:25 in context goes through the march of some world powers. The UN is the last beast. (The US/UK breathe life into the UN. The UN is an extension of the US/UK in this vision.) "He will speak words against the Most High, and he will continually harass the holy ones of the Supreme One. He will intend to change times and law, and they will be given into his hand for a time, times, and half a time." The UN will oppress Jehovah's people and it will be 3 1/2 years. Daniel 12:7 in context while Russian president (King of North) cornered ("comes all the way to his end and there is no helper for him"), Michael stands up (Jesus finally receives kingdom in heaven) and great tribulation begins. ""How long will it be to the end of these marvelous things?” Then I heard the man clothed in linen, who was up above the waters of the stream, as he raised his right hand and his left hand to the heavens and swore by the One who is alive forever: “It will be for an appointed time, appointed times, and half a time. As soon as the dashing to pieces of the power of the holy people comes to an end, all these things will come to their finish.”" Jehovah's organization will be "dashed to pieces" and there will be three and a half years. Luke 21:24 context is the time of the end: "...because these are days for meting out justice in order that all the things written may be fulfilled...For there will be great distress on the land and wrath against this people. And they will fall by the edge of the sword and be led captive into all the nations; and Jerusalem will be trampled on by the nations until the appointed times of the nations are fulfilled." The appointed times that the UN (the nations) will trample on Jehovah's organization/people will be during the great tribulation. Jesus was talking about during the tribulation. Revelation 12:14 shows what the Devil does after he is finally cast down by Michael: "Woe for the earth and for the sea, because the Devil has come down to you, having great anger, knowing that he has a short period of time.” Now when the dragon saw that it had been hurled down to the earth, it persecuted the woman who gave birth to the male child. But the two wings of the great eagle were given to the woman, so that she might fly into the wilderness to her place, where she is to be fed for a time and times and half a time away from the face of the serpent." The "male child" represents the completed sealed anointed, who will rule in the kingdom with Christ. They are like a "child" in that they are still in weak human form, but they are heirs who have conquered since they are now sealed. The Devil harasses them for 3 1/2 years of the tribulation, but the angels help them while in that figurative "wilderness" time. Revelation 13:5 is talking about the UN. "It was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and it was given authority to act for 42 months. And it opened its mouth in blasphemies against God to blaspheme his name and his dwelling place, even those residing in heaven. It was permitted to wage war with the holy ones and conquer them, and it was given authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation." 42 months is 3 1/2 years. Daniel 8:14 in context shows how the initial part of the persecution leads to a refining of God's organization. "And I heard a holy one speaking, and another holy one said to the one speaking: “How long will the vision of the constant feature and of the transgression causing desolation continue, to make both the holy place and the army things to trample on?” So he said to me: “Until 2,300 evenings and mornings; and the holy place will certainly be restored to its right condition.”" 2,300 evenings and mornings equals 1,150 evenings plus 1,150 mornings. That is the same as 1,150 days. (1 evening plus 1 morning equals 1 day.) By 1,150 days after the great tribulation starts, the organization will have been refined. Revelation 12:6 context, after anointed are all sealed the kingdom is "born" but since anointed still on earth they are weak like child. Angels protect them (child figuratively "snatched away to God and to his throne") but kid still in wilderness with woman (still in this world, angels helping.) "And she gave birth to a son, a male, who is to shepherd all the nations with an iron rod. And her child was snatched away to God and to his throne. And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God and where they would feed her for 1,260 days." A specific event happens at the 1,260th day from the beginning of the great tribulation. Daniel 12:11 another event happens at the 1,290th day from the start of the great tribulation: "And from the time that the constant feature has been removed and the disgusting thing that causes desolation has been put in place, there will be 1,290 days." Daniel 12:12 another event happens at the 1,335th day from the start of the great tribulation: "Happy is the one who keeps in expectation and who arrives at the 1,335 days!" Conclusion: The great tribulation will be 3 1/2 years long. There will be several noteworthy events at specific times during that period. "...there is a God in the heavens who is a Revealer of secrets...the Revealer of secrets has made known to you what is to happen." Praise Jehovah.
THE TIMES THEY ARE A CHANGIN'
JOHN BUTLER posted a topic in Jehovah’s Witnesses's TopicsI have no real idea of how to find out information about these things but some of you seem to have inside information. This topic is aimed at the time lapse between new 'worldly information', 'worldly discoveries', 'worldly laws in different countries' and every type of worldly activity that affects the JW's in the Org. Such as how long does it take the GB to take action between something important happening in the 'world' then the GB having a reaction to it. For instance Blood Fractions. How long had those Blood Fractions, of different types, been available, before the GB authorised the use of them ? How long had the sex abuse reporting laws been in use or in force in different countries, different states, before the GB recognised them ? How long did the GB know that the Superior Authorities scripture actually meant 'worldly authorities' before they changed it ? The March Watchtower is proof perfect that the GB will act when pushed, not by God, but by problems within the JW Org. But it would be good to have proof that the GB has deliberately delayed decisions on many things, even when a vast amount of information had been readily available. I don't have such proof but some of you might have. Why would the GB deliberately delay decisions ? To maintain power over it's earthwide congregation. The GB recognise the power they have when people are anxiously awaiting a decision on an important matter.
Time, Times, Half A Time
Kosonen posted a topic in Jehovah’s Witnesses's TopicsWhen is the prophecy about time, times and half a time really taking place? The WT organization has taught it happened 1914-1918. But many non-jw christian groups put that time into the final tribulation period right before Jesus' return. What is your opinion? When I read carefully Daniel 7 I saw where that 3 and half year should be placed. Look here and judge for yourselves: “This is what he said: ‘As for the fourth beast, there is a fourth kingdom that will come to be on the earth. It will be different from all the other kingdoms, and it will devour all the earth and will trample it down and crush it.+ 24 As for the ten horns, ten kings will rise up out of that kingdom; and still another one will rise up after them, and he will be different from the first ones, and he will humiliate three kings.+ 25 He will speak words against the Most High,+ and he will continually harass the holy ones of the Supreme One. He will intend to change times and law, and they will be given into his hand for a time, times, and half a time.*+26 But the Court sat, and they took away his rulership, in order to annihilate him and to destroy him completely.+27 “‘And the kingdom and the rulership and the grandeur of the kingdoms under all the heavens were given to the people who are the holy ones of the Supreme One.+ Their kingdom is an everlasting kingdom,+and all rulerships will serve and obey them.’28 “This is the end of the matter. The fourth beast represented in the begining the Roman empire. Then that beast continued its existence through kindoms that emerged within the Roman empire. That is what the 10 horns represent. Those kingdoms are for example Italy, France, Spain, Portugal, UK. And the prophecy tells that after the 10 horns emerges an eleventh horn, a final horn. And that should be about USA. And because the prophecy specificaly speaks about the eleventh horn as "He" it shoud be about a specific king/president of that beast. And the prophecy says that just before the complete destruction of this beast, the final horn will for time, times and half a time, that is 3 1/2 years continually harass the holy ones. Is it not clear that WT is totally wrong when they put this time to 1914-1918? https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1994567#h=1:0-15:69 The true time for the 3 1/2 years must then be a head of us and could begin very soon. This time period can not be in the past, because right after the 3 1/2 years that beast is completely destroyed. But the last 3 1/2 years will be tough.