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JAMMY

A closer look at Jehovah’s Witnesses living in the U.S.

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If 66% that were born witness are no longer ‘identifying’ as such, don’t see how they can be forcing people to stay like some comments are saying. Most of them make it sound like they are actually kicking people out, not making them stay. Live it or leave it, I can respect that. At least they stick to their code of conduct, instead of backtracking every time someone gets upset like most religions do. All you churches out there need to make up your minds! I still am not gonna believe in God, but at least you won’t look so stupid! Makes me think the commentors are actually just mad they got kicked out of a religion that accepted Prince!

 

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:)@Jammy,

Many do sit on the fence so to speak taking the position they have to stay because they would lose friends they've known all their life or become close to or close family ties; so they are in constant emotional turmoil.  That is odd to me for Jesus said we must hate even our own souls to follow him.  I would be happy to disown everyone and everything if it costs my integrity to God and Christ or principles I know to be true.  Doing what God want's us to do should make us happy, not angry.

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