What should I gift a new born of Jehovah's Witnesses?

[Space Merchant]

On 12/6/2018 at 3:52 PM, JOHN BUTLER said:

@Space Merchant  said "It didn't stop the early Christians who wanted to ban such things"  Could we have some enlargement on this please. 

The three 'wise men' that took gifts to Jesus on his birth. Were they offering 'birth-day presents' ?

Were you that unaware of why and when those men showed up? It was not due to a Birthday celebration, no, it is because of what the people had been hearing about, learning about for years upon years regarding a prophet of whom God will put His Word in this prophet's mouth, the very man who is of the Seed, the very one whom is to be the coming Messiah - the one every man, woman and child was waiting for.

It would be wise to re-read the passage and why they felt the one they deem of high importance is whom and why they gave the gifts.

More so, clearly them being out there, it was not December, according to the Jewish Calendar and what the Bible tells us.

As for my response, it pertains to what I had told someone regarding Christmas some months ago and how early Christians banned the holiday and it's practice, considering it "Unchristian"

On 12/6/2018 at 3:52 PM, JOHN BUTLER said:

And ( and i promise you this is not of my own originality ), an Elder once said that the gift of the Holy Spirit from God to Jesus Christ, was given to Christ on his 30th birthday. A present at Christ's baptism.. Don't shoot me down for telling the truth of what I'd heard. Unusual thought that one. 

Ok, regarding birthdays clearly there was no mention of Jesus celebrating it - anywhere. The only thing Jesus had instruct us to focus on is his death and what it means. I doubt Jesus would want anything to do with the Temple of Diana and it's practices.

On 12/6/2018 at 3:52 PM, JOHN BUTLER said:

And what is that scripture about 'one man thinking one day is different from another, whereas another man thinks all days are the same' ?

You referring to Romans 14:5 which reads  One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind.

cross-references being Luke 1:1, Romans 4:21, 14:23, Galatians 14:23, and Colossians 2:16.

As we can see, we do not see any account, on Jesus' part, celebrating his birth or that of others. The Jews, prior to Jesus knew of the coming Messiah, but when and where it was unknown until Jesus was born, for they knew what the horn of salvation is - The Messiah, the one called the Christ, Jesus.

That being said, the verse in question was more focused on the Sabbath with all, if not most, pertaining to it, no Birthdays or Christmas.

On 12/6/2018 at 3:52 PM, JOHN BUTLER said:

SM, I think 'the problem is  drawn' when people poke their noses in where they are not needed. God Himself, through Jesus Christ, will do the judging. Who are we to judge our brother ? Straw and rafter come to mind. 

Does this include God himself? Granted with how strong His disdain for pagan practices was, one instance where God Himself emotionally reacted as read in the Old Testament? You do realize what God has said about such ones who do not turn away from doing these things - right?

It is not about judging, it is about proclaiming the truth of the Bible, what God Himself had said should such people do not turn from such things - it is as clear as day, Mr. Butler, this should not have been ignored by you.

On 12/6/2018 at 3:52 PM, JOHN BUTLER said:

Pagans breathe you know. Maybe we should all stop breathing. Stopping everything just because pagans do it is not the true answer is it.

Of course they breathe, but it did not stop them for stopping the breathing of God's people in ancient times, turning them into targets, subduing them into immoral and disgusting practices and so forth. Should you say anything, you days to walk the earth will be numbered, on the other side of the spectrum, such ones if you were alive in those days, would consider your death a blessing.

Pagan practices should NOT INTERTWINE with Christianity, not even 0.1% of it. God's people in the past didn't leave a single idol in the temple, so should we, granted that such things offend God greatly, therefore, we adhere to what God our Father says, he detests such things, we should not be ignorant or turn a blind eye to such things.

They may seem harmless to you, but likewise that of the Temple of Diana and her disgusting practices, it can affect people, in this case, God's people.

You can play games with children, Super Mario, Zelda, Megaman, what have you, but you cannot play games with God - it will not let that slide.

That being said, you have to realize that such things, mainly if you are not cautious and aware can spell danger for you, and give you an influence of carelessness in this domain - do not be THAT guy.

On 12/6/2018 at 3:52 PM, JOHN BUTLER said:

Balance, mercy, love, understanding. Forgiveness, not being domineering, not pushing our own ides onto others. Qualities like those are much more important than obeying 'rules'  laid down by other humans.  

Unfortunately, they are not my ideas. God's disdain for such practices that dwell with evil spirits and or the like is something he hates, a strong hatred for, which has been proven clear in the Old Testament. People are lucky today because they have a chance of repentance, so us as Christians, it is a duty to teach people what is right, righting their wrongs, should they accept it.

Should they continue on such a path, adhering to pagan practices that never originated with the church, or that of what the Romans had perverted into Christianity - that person will deal with God. You knowing they do such things and not doing something to convince them to leave such practices only puts you in subjection.

 

There is no middle ground and you cannot be for both sides.

Regarding birthdays, it is not unknown to anyone that God is not a fan of false gods, in this case, goddess: https://greekgodsandgoddesses.net/goddesses/artemis/

So consider such as a warning so you too can warn others, this also goes for Christmas that has nothing to do with the Christ.

[Guest Nicole]

On 12/5/2018 at 4:48 PM, Shiwiii said:

 

A bethel pillow?

I haven't heard about that story 

[Space Merchant]

1 hour ago, Nicole said:

I haven't heard about that story 

He's referring to something, a joke that derives from the Otaku Community (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otaku), to which most opponents of JWs refer to it as Bethel Pillows.

NOTE: In the Otaku Community and it's Culture, a dakimakura (抱き枕) (from daki (抱き) "to embrace or cling" and makura (枕) "pillow"), is a type of large pillow from Japan. The word is often translated in English as a "body pillow". In Japan, dakimakura are similar to Western orthopedic body pillows, and are 'commonly' used by Japanese youth as "security objects".

NOTE: During the 1990s, dakimakura began to intertwine with Otaku Culture, leading to the production of pillow covers featuring printed images of bishōjo and bishonen in laying poses from various anime or bishōjo games. Many of these early otaku dakimakura covers were released through Cospa, a character goods and apparel store which continues to release official dakimakura covers to this day. Although sometimes called a "Dutch wife", the original definition of this phrase is closer to the chikufujin, or "bamboo wife". 2015 saw some of the first talking body pillows with Ita-Supo and its mascot, Rina Makuraba. It was invented by former Kyushu Institute of Technology researcher, Koichi Uchimura.

Examples:

 

Legitimate Christian Communities who fight against porn and masturbation consider such jokes as an offense and they are offended by this. Reasons why when in another discussion, I copy/paste the comments of some people here who joked about this in which such persons had been, so to speak, grilled, by the Christian Community, some comments I rather not quote because the whole pillow joke thing was highly offensive. I rather not say the names of whom in question on this forum.

 

In my case, having experience, speaking to children and teens about this matter, having a brother who had several years battling porn and masturbation hence being victim to it, even having a friend who was at the door step of the Adult Industry, ended up taking her own life in feeling guilty - such things I do not consider it as a joke as most people do. True Christians, in this matter, do not joke about these things, those that do, needs to self evaluate themselves and re-read some passages and parables in the Bible.

 

That being said, I do not see why people tend to joke about a legitimate problem, not having a or lacking in a concern of helping such persons, but that is what separates a real Christian from a pretender, or a provocateur.

 

But yes, Otaku Culture and it's community has a strong love for anime, some to the point they will take any sex appeal-sque character from said anime and put it on to a Body Pillow, in some cases, will lead to acts of viewing of pornography of said character, which is flooded all over the internet (reasons why parents need to filter their internet, mainly when there is brazen images of even young characters from said shows/anime produced) as with the urge of masturbation, which is common to single souls of that community.

It is not too far off from the Bronies and the Furries. Otaku Culture is very strong in the US and the EU. Some of these guys who have gone to far are often made fun of, however what the people do not realize those in that community tend to cope because of depression and often stumble on to brazen acts, hence why good souls need to help such ones, to reason with them and so forth - one of the things I am for regarding helping these guys.

[Guest Nicole]

Thanks for explaining 

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

1 hour ago, Nicole said:

Thanks for explaining 

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[JW Insider]

@Nicole, I couldn't help but "accidentally" read this as:

"What? Should I gift a newborn of Jehovah's Witnesses?"

I think we should not be giving away newborn JW's as gifts. It's just not Scriptural:

• (Micah 6:7) . . .Will Jehovah be pleased with thousands of rams, With tens of thousands of torrents of oil? Will I give my firstborn son. . .?

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

Well.... at our Kingdom Hall, we used to have attached to the walls in both the restrooms fold-down "Baby Changing Tables".

I went in, and one of the tables had been opened, and was  down, and was ready for a baby to change.

I stuck a yellow Post-It-Note (which I sometimes carry) on the table surface and closed it back up.

The note read, in large print:

"Baby changing table --- take a baby ... leave a baby".

Soon afterwards, they removed both changing tables.

[Josué2]

Je signal que les rois mages qui sont venu voire Jésus ne l'on pas vu dans une étable comme le veut le faire croire la tradition mais dans une maison.

(Matthieu 2:11) 11 Quand ils entrèrent dans la maison, ils virent le petit enfant avec sa mère, Marie, et tombant à genoux, ils s’inclinèrent devant lui. Ils ouvrirent aussi leurs trésors et lui offrirent des cadeaux : de l’or, de l’oliban et de la myrrhe. 
Et les bergers eux l'ont vu dans une étable.

(Luc 2:8-12) 8 Dans la région, il y avait des bergers qui vivaient en plein air et qui, la nuit, surveillaient leurs troupeaux. 9 Soudain, l’ange de Jéhovah se tint devant eux et la gloire de Jéhovah brilla autour d’eux. Ils eurent très peur, 10 mais l’ange leur dit : « N’ayez pas peur, car je vous annonce une bonne nouvelle qui donnera beaucoup de joie à tout le peuple : 11 aujourd’hui, un sauveur vous est né dans la ville de David ; c’est Christ, le Seigneur. 12 Et voici comment vous le reconnaîtrez : vous trouverez un bébé enveloppé de langes et couché dans une mangeoire. » 
Entre les deux cas de figures il y a une différence de plusieurs mois, les bergers ont vu un bébé mais les mages un petit enfant,et le lieu n'est pas le même.

Chercher l'erreur.

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

Whatever it is you wrote, it is obviously not important, or you would have translated it into English, so 50 separate people would not have to.

[Josué2]

Je ne pratique pas la langue d'Albion.