Do You Go to the Garage Content with Vice Grips, Duct Tape, and WD40?

[TrueTomHarley]

JTR demands we do our homework before presuming upon his time with our uninformed reply, even underlining his demand. Clearly the man revels in the role of teacher. He does, however, not do any homework himself. Why bother, when he is right? Twice he has been asked to comment on the organization's own video that goes far in answering points he has raised. Twice he has ignored that request.

Let us concede, for purposes of argument (we can always take it back) that the NWT translations would benefit from more time, money, and education. There are many persons outside our organization who have these. JTR has the qualities in spades. Why has he not stepped up to the plate instead of bitching at those who have?  Is there not such a thing as pro bono work? When the brilliant lawyer offers to take your case pro bono, do you turn him down on that account?

By their absence of anything other than perhaps 30 translations, other organizations show that they don't give a hoot about persons speaking the other 850. There's no excuse for them not to do the other 850. But if they ever get around to it, the selfish education-for-pay model in which they operate would price those translations out of the reach of the persons they are supposedly for. Why does not JTR rail about his own people not attempting the 850? He rails about everything else. One can only conclude that he loves it the way it is, and could care less about the lowly ones our organization works so diligently to serve. 

The other day my house burned to the ground, destroying a lifetime of possessions. The volunteer firemen arrived within minutes of the fire, but I waved them away. How could their free efforts do any good? How could they possibly be as highly trained as their paid brethren? Eventually, the highly specialized and properly trained paid firemen got there and expertly put out the flames that the volunteers probably would have done in the wrong way. I managed to salvage a kitchen chair, on which I am sitting to write this reply.

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

If that is true, I can only think of ONE reason you wanted to burn your house down ... ( and by the way, I specifically stated I was NOT qualified to do Bible Translation ... you have a predisposition for deliberately misunderstanding EVERYTHING I have ever stated...). But I have a sense of humor.

Oh, and ...uh ... being RIGHT covers a multitude of sins .....

[TrueTomHarley]

When you choose to answer JTR's ravings, which is not necessarily a wise thing to do, do not strive primarily to answer his question or comment. Strive to answer his motive.

And yet, even at this late date it is not too late for him to straighten out and fly right, for I am not his enemy. Well – I guess I am so long as he carries on the way he does, saying slanderous things one moment and then trying to ingratiate himself the next with a thoroughly innocuous remark. You don’t pay attention to the latter. The former indicates he is a skunk. But maybe he will turn around. Unlikely, but not impossible.

If he turned around, I would not believe it online, but I don’t have to believe it. Like any of Jehovah’s Witnesses, there is a congregation somewhere of real flesh and blood people who will know him better than any online community will. They are all liars on the internet. Everyone here is a liar, as am I. You extend them trust only very slowly, and that trust can be withdrawn in a heartbeat.

The internet is not the congregation. There is no network of live friends in which to gauge new participants. There are no elders. There is no channel for dispensing spiritual food. For the most part, spiritual food discussed here is stale or recalled spiritual food. So if you’re going to sidestep the organization’s advice to hang out just with whom you personally know – which I do sidestep it – at a bare minimum you must assume from the outset that everyone else is a liar. That drop-dead gorgeous woman that so urgently wants to friend me? How do I know it is her? It could be Russia, it could be China, it could be some 400 pound guy in New Jersey.

But if he stomped off in a huff once, probably he had reason. I don’t want to hear what it is, for I am just another liar. There are real flesh and blood people somewhere he talk to. He can even fool them to a degree, but it is much more difficult than it is online.

I am not blind to the faults of God’s visible organization. It has caused me trouble at times. I focus on the good points of the organization, for it is the only game in town. It’s accomplishments in carrying out God’s will are unsurpassed. Congregations in Revelation chapters 2 and 3 were basket cases, some of them, but that does not mean they were not congregations. It is necessary to allow oneself to be readjusted, which is not easy to do.

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

If you always, ALWAYS get it wrong ... as you do, that is VERY good advice.

Even better ... DO BOTH!

 

[TrueTomHarley]

That almost sounds like an ad hominem attack. Do you want me to explain what that term means, as you did for my benefit?

I wish you well on your recovery from your operation.

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

True Tom:

"That almost sounds like an ad hominem attack. Do you want me to explain what that term means, as you did for my benefit?

I wish you well on your recovery from your operation."

It almost sounds like an "Ad Hominum" attack, because it ALMOST was.

You got it wrong AGAIN ... at least you are 100% consistent.  Reread what I ACTUALLY posted earlier this week.

 

[Anna]

59 minutes ago, TrueTom said:

When you choose to answer JTR's ravings, which is not necessarily a wise thing to do, do not strive primarily to answer his question or comment. Strive to answer his motive.

A few of us "know" JTR quite well, (of course only as well as is possible on here ). You will learn that it is necessary to take most things he says with a large dose of salt and not let it upset you. After all he too is entitled to his opinion. Good thing with on here is you can chose which comments to ignore and which to address. JTR's comments are good training ground for discernment and patience and really learning to listen. At first his comments really raised my blood pressure, like they apparently raise yours. But now I am as calm as a Hindu cow . As for his motives, well, that's something only he truly knows....but if you ask him, he might divulge.....

[TrueTomHarley]

When a full-of-himself instructor does not get his point across adequately the first time, he DEMANDS his students go back and reread his tirade. He assumes that right. He doesn't seem to realize he must merit it.

On 2/21/2017 at 10:23 AM, Anna said:

A few of us "know" JTR quite well, (of course only as well as is possible on here ). You will learn that it is necessary to take most things he says with a large dose of salt and not let it upset you. After all he too is entitled to his opinion. Good thing with on here is you can chose which comments to ignore and which to address. JTR's comments are good training ground for discernment and patience and really learning to listen. At first his comments really raised my blood pressure, like they apparently raise yours. But now I am as calm as a Hindu cow . As for his motives, well, that's something only he truly knows....but if you ask him, he might divulge.....

No. He possibly is not an apostate but he so closely resembles one that it is impossible to tell the difference.As for "if you ask him, he might divulge," I could tell you I have a summer home on Jupiter. How would you know otherwise?

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

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There are GOOD Detectives ... and there are BAD Detectives ...  BAD Detectives do not detect much, because they assume things based on THEIR OWN PROJECTIONS ... things not in evidence.

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[Anna]

1 hour ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

There are GOOD Detectives ... and there are BAD Detectives ...  BAD Detectives do not detect much, because they assume things based on THEIR OWN PROJECTIONS ... things not in evidence.

And then there are some detectives that just don't like playing a cat and mouse game.

[Ann O'Maly]

 

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Do You Go to the Garage Content with Vice Grips, Duct Tape, and WD40?

 

 

I'm sorry to interrupt this discussion but did anyone else find this thread title worryingly sinister? 

[JW Insider]

41 minutes ago, Ann O'Maly said:

I'm sorry to interrupt this discussion but did anyone else find this thread title worryingly sinister? 

I felt very sorry for the duck that was about to be taped.