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What gives them the right to insert YHWH so that the the scriptures are manipulated to suit the their doctrine?

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11 minutes ago, Micah Ong said:

YAHWEH is NOT a HEBREW NAME. It is ARAMAIC, which is closely related to HEBREW.

Aramaic replaced ancient Paleo Hebrew and nearly all the existing manuscripts, including the Masoretic text and the Dead Sea Scrolls, are in the Babylonian Aramaic alphabet.

These four letters YHWH are Babylonian Aramaic. They are NOT SACRED and they are NOT HOLY.

That's a jump in logic that requires you to believe that the same name (YHWH, not a specific pronunciation) was added in about 6,000+ places in the Hebrew Bible. It turns this entire topic on its head because it means that you reject all the evidence for the correctness of the Hebrew text. And then you see it as a problem that Witnesses generally believe that the Greek text was tampered with.

This is one of the reasons I wanted to start a brand new topic that goes through much of the scholarly evidence about the relevant Bible texts, but sticks more closely to that evidence and does not veer off on so many other topics.

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8 minutes ago, JW Insider said:

That's a jump in logic that requires you to believe that the same name was added in about 6,000+ places in the Hebrew Bible.

Don't forget they were all copies.  There is absolutely NO PROOF that the Tetragrammaton was ever in the text of Scriptures prior to the Babylonian captivity and up to the time of Malachi.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Micah Ong said:

Don't forget they were all copies.  There is absolutely NO PROOF that the Tetragrammaton was ever in the text of Scriptures prior to the Babylonian captivity and up to the time of Malachi.

I think this is backwards. The evidence shows that the name was used more often in the earlier texts and began to be replaced in later texts. The entire book of Esther, for example, which was written later than the Babylonian Captivity, does not contain the name YHWH at all. Later Psalms show the same evidence. Books that scholars date as later, even where most fundamentalist believers do not accept the dates (Daniel, Ecclesiastes) also provide some pieces of evidence to the same trend.

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2 minutes ago, JW Insider said:

The entire book of Esther, for example, which was written later than the Babylonian Captivity, does not contain the name YHWH at all.

Interesting....

A portion of the Dead Sea Scroll of Psalms 119:59-64, written in the Aramaic (Babylonian) alphabet. The text is Talmudic-Babylonian (Aramaic) and is no older than perhaps around 30BC-50AD. While scholars will wail and scream, these scrolls appear to be made by a sect of Babylonian Jews and could date from 100-700AD and not from the time before Christ at all as alleged. Some want these texts to be very old so they can authenticate the Tetragrammatons’ and or other teachings they now claim the Christians stole or borrowed from the Essenes. There existed in Israel up to the eighth century Jews who used these caves. The artifacts found in them demonstrate a continuous use for several centuries. The scroll is said to be from the library of the Essenes but this cannot be proven. We are told without proof that the Essenes devoted their lives to expunge from the manuscripts corruptions placed in them by Babylonian tainted scribes. Yet they used Babylonian Aramaic themselves. So they did not distance themselves very far from the other Babylonian returnees. We do not know if this Psalm scroll was considered by them to be authentic or among those that were corrupted.

 

 

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6 minutes ago, Eoin Joyce said:

Good point @bruceq  !!

Obviously missing the point of the scripture.  It's the person/identity of the aforementioned Jesus Son of God.

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@JW Insider If you take a look at the four letters YHWH in the Dead Sea Scrolls , they are FOREIGN to the rest of the script both as to STYLE and also the SLANT of the letters. These are in PALEO Hebrew an ancient alphabet prior to the Babylonian captivity. They are not in conformity with the previous written script. They are not even inserted in the manuscript level with the surrounding text. This shows that this is a FORGERY and an INTERPOLATION. Thus, the four letters YHWH are a careful FRAUD. The scripting is Aramaic Babylonian rabbinical writing and did not come into practice until after the Babylonian captivity.

“YHWH”, can NEVER mean “I AM” or “I EXIST” or “I BE”.

“hayah or hayaw” meaning “to be or exist”, AH in Hebrew means a first or singular person, hence AH-Hayah means that I EXIST, or I BE, or I AM, so this is how you know the true name of the Most High, I AM = AHAYAH.

So in Exodus 3:13-15. I AM THAT I AM = AHAYAH ASHER AHAYAH in Hebrew. Ahayah is the God of the Israelites. He told Moses to let the children of Israelites know that, I AM = AHAYAH hath sent me. His name shall remain FOREVER.

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Micah Ong: These four letters YHWH are Babylonian Aramaic. They are NOT SACRED and they are NOT HOLY.

I agree, that YHWH is not sacred, and it was never intended to be and should be uttered to glorify God with his proper name. However, that ideology came from ignorant Jews, that confused Baalism with Yahwist. Yahushua was someone else they wanted to erase altogether since they didn’t believe Jesus to be the one sent(Messiah). So, they still reject Christ as the redeemer.

Now the “modern” lexicon I used Identified the name of God in the New Testament which you now refuse. This modern lexicon was NOT written by the Watchtower; therefore, you are refuting honest linguist that made that determination.

Your proof lay with foolish opinions by writers that want to enhance “CHRIST” divinity. Trinitarian, Unitarian, and oneness. And yet you have the ghoul to say you’re NOT Trinitarian per say! Yeah right! What you are, overall! is a very confused Christian, that is boarding in a psychological breakdown.

The “FACT” that God’s name is written in ancient script, is “proof” that, what man wanted to erase from history, “failed”.

Micah Ong: Two Catholic monks invented the guess names of JEHOVAH (1270AD) and YAHWEH (about 1725AD). They should not be in any Bible since they did not exist at the time the Bible was written.

Truth be told, the word “monk” can be up for debate. You claim the general term with Catholic, but there is a relative term as will. Some “Monks” were independent of the Catholic church. It remains to be seen if this Spanish monk, Raymundo Martini was actually affiliated with the Catholic Church, since the Vatican at that time word have had a problem with such heresy just as they did with Martin Luther, John Calvin, Joan of Arc, Galileo, Marie Curie, Dante, Mark Twain, Micah, Jeremiah, etc.

Wiki: Monks and nuns inhabit the lowest rung of the hierarchy in the Catholic Church. Religious brothers and sisters aren't members of the clergy, but they aren't members of the lay faithful, either. They're called consecrated religious, which means that they've taken sacred vows of poverty, chastity, and obedience.

Having said that, you lack knowledge here. The Spanish monk that wrote the Latin works (Pugio Fidei) spelled the name of God as “Yohoua” in 1278AD that was later translated as Jehova.

It wasn’t until in 1303, Porchetus de Salvaticis completed a work entitled VICTORIA PORCHETI AVERSUS IMPIOS HEBRAEOS (Porchetus' Victory Against the Ungodly Hebrews). He spells God's name IOHOUAH, IOHOUA and IHOUAH.

So, even then, people knew what the Early Church Fathers, Jews, and the Vatican were attempting to suppress. There’s plenty of evidence of that.

Yet in some arguments, you suggested there was no evidence of the name of God until the 15th or 16th century.

Also, you contradict yourself when you stated even by 300AD the Egyptian’s knew a form of God’s name as Yah(Jah) which can be found in Greek script as well.

The contradiction lies in your assertion that YHWH was NOT found in early Greek script, therefore, the NWT is wrong. When you just proved the Watchtower “RIGHT”.

Wiki: Jah. From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. ... Jah or Yah (Hebrew: יהּ‎‎ Yahu) is a short form of Yahweh or contraction of Jehovah or Yehovah (in consonantal spelling YHWH / YHVH Hebrew: יהוה‎‎, called the Tetragrammaton), the proper name of God in the Hebrew Bible.

The confusion you want to make here is with the modern understanding of the word “Yah” that has taken a negative connotation in modern times. However, intelligent people are over thinking this modern definition with the message in scripture.

So, if the early Hebrews believed that the God (YHWH) was the true God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, then this is the True God of the original Israelites and not these modern heathens that call themselves Jews.

The rest of your personal opinion dismisses many codices, for one the Codex Sinaiticus, Peshitta, and even the dead sea scrolls. Now you're confusing everything to “WIN AN ARGUMENT”, Pity!

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1 hour ago, Micah Ong said:

If you take a look at the four letters YHWH in the Dead Sea Scrolls , they are FOREIGN to the rest of the script both as to STYLE and also the SLANT of the letters. These are in PALEO Hebrew an ancient alphabet prior to the Babylonian captivity. They are not in conformity with the previous written script.

Which tells me that they weren't trying to hide anything, and considered the name sacred. Someone left the space for the name to be added later, so they must have known that another scribe or a different preparatory process was going to be used when the YHWH was going to be added. Adding the name in Paleo-Script reminds me of those who feel they must use 400-year-old English (typically from 1611, KJV) when they quote from Scripture, even if the rest of their sermon or writing is in modern English.

But it also strikes the eye as something that is special, and gives them pause before pronouncing the name, just as putting the wrong vowel markings supposedly stopped the Masoretes from accidentally pronouncing the word out loud, and led them to use  the word Adonai or Elohim instead. The vowels for each of those words have been found with the YHWH in Hebrew.

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