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Very simple answer ... find the scripture where it says the "lion will lay down with the lamb", and read it in CONTEXT ... for those in Rio Linda, that means the page before, and the page after.

Among God's people the lion will eat straw, as lambs being eaten scare children ... very messy ... but all animals in their natural environment will eat what they ALWAYS have eaten, and what they were DESIGNED to eat.

All else is a cartoon fantasy that would embarrass Walt Disney.

If you find that incredible, there is a way to test it ... let your lawn grow high, and eat ONLY grass for a week, and see how well YOU do.

You may find yourself online, ordering Purina Lion Chow.

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Nach dem 2. Weltkrieg gab es in Berlin kaum Fleisch zu essen. Die Löwen aus dem Zirkus Hagenbeck waren aber immer wohlgenährt, etwas schlanker als vorher, doch gesättigt. Man munkelte, der Direktor würde Katzen und Hunde verfüttern. Falsch! Er gewöhnte die "Raubtiere" an Zuckerrüben und es klappte.

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Jehovah created predation as well as prey with defenses against predators. Predators using poison then to kill their prey is really a reflection of Jehovah's endearing engineering.  Also, Genesis 1:30 does not teach that all animals were created as herbivorous, as that is a common misunderstanding. Additionally, God did not alter the fauna after Adam's sin or after the Deluge to function within a predator-prey dichotomy--as there are no scriptures stating that, and which could even be seen as a contradiction of Jehovah resting from creation. 

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@Peter Kutzer-Salm  WOW....  thank you dear Peter !  Your great answer will give me a nice confidence of our NW and the paradise❤️  All will be very good,  as we can read it in the Bible !  Wise word's coming true !  Not making too many thoughts about  'unlaid'  eggs.... hahaha xD

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(Genesis 1:30) And to every wild animal of the earth and to every flying creature of the heavens and to everything moving on the earth in which there is life, I have given all green vegetation for food.” And it was so. (Isaiah 11:7)7 The cow and the bear will feed together, And their young will lie down together. The lion will eat straw like the bull.

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ISAIAH 11:1-15: (See my previous comments IN THIS THREAD , AND the highlighted portion in context, below ... AND THINK ABOUT WHAT IS REASONABLE AND SANE!
 
1 A shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse; from his roots a Branch will bear fruit.
2 The Spirit of the LORD will rest on him— the Spirit of wisdom and of understanding, the Spirit of counsel and of might, the Spirit of the knowledge and fear of the LORD—
3 and he will delight in the fear of the LORD. He will not judge by what he sees with his eyes, or decide by what he hears with his ears;
4 but with righteousness he will judge the needy, with justice he will give decisions for the poor of the earth. He will strike the earth with the rod of his mouth; with the breath of his lips he will slay the wicked.
5 Righteousness will be his belt and faithfulness the sash around his waist.
6 The wolf will live with the lamb, the leopard will lie down with the goat, the calf and the lion and the yearling together; and a little child will lead them.
7 The cow will feed with the bear, their young will lie down together, and the lion will eat straw like the ox.
8 The infant will play near the cobra’s den, and the young child will put its hand into the viper’s nest.
9 They will neither harm nor destroy on all my holy mountain, for the earth will be filled with the knowledge of the LORD as the waters cover the sea.
10 In that day the Root of Jesse will stand as a banner for the peoples; the nations will rally to him, and his resting place will be glorious.
11 In that day the Lord will reach out his hand a second time to reclaim the surviving remnant of his people from Assyria, from Lower Egypt, from Upper Egypt, from Cush, from Elam, from Babylonia, from Hamath and from the islands of the Mediterranean.
12 He will raise a banner for the nations and gather the exiles of Israel; he will assemble the scattered people of Judah from the four quarters of the earth.
13 Ephraim’s jealousy will vanish, and Judah’s enemies will be destroyed; Ephraim will not be jealous of Judah, nor Judah hostile toward Ephraim.
14 They will swoop down on the slopes of Philistia to the west; together they will plunder the people to the east. They will subdue Edom and Moab, and the Ammonites will be subject to them.
15 The LORD will dry up the gulf of the Egyptian sea; with a scorching wind he will sweep his hand over the Euphrates River. He will break it up into seven streams so that anyone can cross over in sandals.
 
On 5/29/2017 at 8:53 PM, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

Among God's people the lion will eat straw, as lambs being eaten scare children ... very messy ... but all animals in their natural environment will eat what they ALWAYS have eaten, and what they were DESIGNED to eat.

All else is a cartoon fantasy that would embarrass Walt Disney.

TO UNDERSTAND SCRIPTURE IT WAS meant TO BE SIMPLE ... JUST READ IT IN CONTEXT .. AND USE PLAIN OLD COMMON SENSE.

You don't haul timber in a Corvette Automobile, or Race a Concrete Truck at 125 miles per hour .... but in today's world, you have to put WARNING STICKERS on child car seats ....  "Do not fold up car seat with child inside".

THINK people .... THINK!

And while you are thinking ... read verses 4 and 5 about six times ...until you figure out that what I just stated may be a total load of drivel

OF COURSE I am guessing!

...  SO IS EVERYBODY ELSE!

 

 

 

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Melinda:

As Sean Connery said in the James Bond  movie "Thunderball",

..... " Was there ever a man more misunderstood?"

Please re-read what I actually said ...

I could explain it to you, but that would take the fun and amazement out of self discovery.

Also please note that I did NOT contradict what God has stated through Isaiah, or assume God or Isaiah was guessing! .... merely given you the key to discover it for yourself ... if you are willing to do the hard work of thinking, IN CONTEXT, what Isaiah was actually saying.

The KEY is verses 4 and 5. It STARTS the style of "simile" that continues.

YOU do the heavy lifting.

Here is a "wheelbarrow" you can use to get started ...

    Hello guest!

Remember: CONTEXT IS EVERYTHING!

... That is why I quoted FIFTEEN verses ... and not just two verses.

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Interesting question.

 

*** w54 10/1 p. 580 The Hope of a New Earth ***

Regarding the conditions that will prevail in that new earth God’s prophet goes on to say: “They shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them. They shall not labor in vain, nor bring forth for calamity; for they are the seed of the blessed of Jehovah, and their offspring with them. The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the ox; and dust shall be the serpent’s food. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith Jehovah.” (Isa. 65:21, 23, 25, AS) God’s Word contains many similar prophetic assurances.

(2 Peter 1:20, 21) For you know this first, that no prophecy of Scripture springs from any private interpretation. 21 For prophecy was at no time brought by man’s will, but men spoke from God as they were moved by holy spirit.

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Both humans and animals were made from dust and return to dust when they die. Man and animals die the same way. (See below) At creation bodies were made from the dust and  at death they return to dust.  Plants take their nutrients from dust/ soil. People as well as animals eat food which comes from plants which take their nutrients from the soil (dust).   

 

 (Ecclesiastes 3:19, 20) for there is an outcome for humans and an outcome for animals; they all have the same outcome. As the one dies, so the other dies; and they all have but one spirit. So man has no superiority over animals, for everything is futile. 20 All are going to the same place. They all come from the dust, and they all are returning to the dust.

 

 

If animals eat dust – nothing strange. (It is said children who eat dirt or play in it have stronger immune systems.)

 

SERPENT’S FOOD

 

(Genesis 3:14) . . .Upon your belly you will go and dust is what you will eat all the days of your life.

 

(Isaiah 65:25) The wolf and the lamb will feed together, The lion will eat straw just like the bull, And the serpent’s food will be dust. They will do no harm nor cause any ruin in all my holy mountain,” says Jehovah.

 

MAN’S FOOD

 

At creation

 

(Genesis 1:29) Then God said: “Here I have given to you every seed-bearing plant that is on the entire earth and every tree with seed-bearing fruit. Let them serve as food for you.

 

After the flood (lots of fruit-bearing rees would have been damaged by flood waters)

 

(Genesis 9:3, 4) Every moving animal that is alive may serve as food for you. Just as I gave you the green vegetation, I give them all to you. 4 Only flesh with its life—its blood—you must not eat.

 

What God gave them in the wilderness – not meat!

 

Anything prepared, designed, concocted, cooked, baked, by Jehovah would have had to be perfect for sustenance and good health and tasty.  (Moses and Aaron’s health was good up to their death.)

 

(Numbers 11:7-9) 7 Incidentally, the manna was like coriander seed, and it looked like bdellium gum. 8 The people would spread out and pick it up and grind it in hand mills or pound it in a mortar. Then they would boil it in cooking pots or make it into round loaves, and it tasted like an oiled sweet cake. 9 When the dew descended on the camp by night, the manna would also descend on it. 

 

Note it was versatile and could be made into other dishes.

 

When they called God’s provision despicable, meat was given as a last resort and it brought severe consequences.

 

(Numbers 21:5) 5 And the people kept speaking against God and Moses, saying: “Why have you brought us up out of Egypt to die in the wilderness? There is no food and no water, and we have come to hate this contemptible bread.”

 

(Numbers 11:33) 33 But while the meat was still between their teeth, before it could be chewed, Jehovah’s anger blazed against the people, and Jehovah began striking the people with a very great slaughter.

 

Discussion

 

At first it was fruit (wide variety – Gen 1:29), then God said humans could eat meat without the blood after they left the Ark. (Gen 9:3,4). Where does meat  and milk come from? What does a cow or a sheep, for example, eat? --  Grass and certain selected low-lying vegetation.   People that pick certain plants for caged rabbits call it rabbit meat.  Simple as that.

 

It could be that Jehovah will reverse all meat eating for us, as well as for animals. If you have apples in the pantry and someone brought you a great variety of other succulent fruit, chances are you might even forget you had the apples and when you remember they might have spoiled already. That’s what happens when you have good quality and great variety in food groups. You might be cooking for guests and  you forget  a dish in the oven because you already had too many items on the table. I said that to paint the picture of good quality food and endless variety. Remember “a banquet of well oiled dishes”.  ((Isaiah 25:6) 6 And Jehovah of armies will certainly make for all the peoples, in this mountain, a banquet of well-oiled dishes, a banquet of [wine kept on] the dregs, of well-oiled dishes filled with marrow, of [wine kept on] the dregs, filtered.)  The descriptive words in this passage denote richness and  exquisite quality in food and drinks (not necessarily that they would be eating marrow).

 

Try to remember what Jehovah has told us a great deal about this already.  We will understand better when we get there. Queen Esther alluded to that already.

 

(If it is that we will no longer eat meat, that would be less work – no killing, butchering, blood disposal, cooking,etc)

 

 And the animals are not and will not be worried.

 

(Matthew 6:26) 26 Observe intently the birds of heaven; they do not sow seed or reap or gather into storehouses, yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not worth more than they are?

 

 (Psalm 145:16) You open your hand And satisfy the desire of every living thing.

 

They know Jehovah will satisfy their needs. And they will be satisfied with what Jehovah their Maker provides.

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1 hour ago, ARchiv@L said:

the food (everything) will be so tasty that time ...and nobody will have problem ... not humans ... not animals .... :)

..and since there will be no birds  eating  their weight in insects everyday, the Paradise Earth will be covered in bugs to a depth of about two miles, like an Antarctic Ice Sheet ... except where people live and enjoy their delicious new homes.

 

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Just came across this on the Internet.  What I wrote above are my own conclusions, but I wanted to see if anyone else had this view.

Author who believes  what the Bible says about God’s original purpose for animals and man with relation to diet.  See link

 

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8 hours ago, Melinda Mills said:

Just came across this on the Internet.

Interesting article and very carefully reasoned through. However, I couldn't commmit to his conclusions any more than agreeing that he raised some interesting possibilities.

The author quotes Ewin Monsma: 'Reformed scholars have generally been of the opinion that the Bible gives no evidence of death among animals before the fall.’ He does not seem to refute this idea, so appears to share it.  I believe there is controversy on this matter amongst those who call themselves (or are called) "creationists", but was surprised recently to find that some Jehovah's Witnesses also adhere to the view that animals only die as a consequence (somehow) of the rebellion in Eden, and that this will not always be the case. (There seemed to be an element of pet bereavement in this).

I haven't met any (yet) who extend the resurrection hope to animals that have died however. Interestingly, this does appear to be a Mormon belief:  "The animals, the fishes of the sea, the fowls of the air, as well as man, are to be recreated, or renewed, through the resurrection, for they too are living souls.” Joseph Fielding Smith. Conference Report, October 1928, p. 100. The mind boggles on the logistics of this!

There is an obvious difference of opinion between Jehovah's Witnesses on animal diet and behaviour, both historic and future as shown in the discussion here. It is pretty clear that a literal interpretation of popularly referenced scriptures such as Isaiah 11:6-9; 65:25, Mic.2:4 is encouraged both in the text and illustrations in Watchtower publications, and there is no denying the appeal of this view. However, the view is open to considerable extrapolation and it is this I think that polarises opinion.

Early on in my theocratic education, it was clearly pointed out to me that paradise promises in the Hebrew Scriptures relating to Israelite restoration should not be interpreted out of their historic context. For example, they should not be used as an authority for concluding that lions will begin roaming the entire earth so that each child can have a lion as a pet. Nor should we think that, regardless of climate conditions, grapes and figs wiIl flourish everywhere. However, they do provide a basis for believing that peaceful and paradisaic conditions will prevail amongst the entire creation here on earth, under Jehovah's Kingdom rule. The relative peace between members of the true Christian congregation as "animalistic" behaviour is replaced by the "fruitage of the spirit" can be seen as a token of what is to come.

This allows for a wide variety in the personal visions individuals may cherish on what conditions will prevail in the paradise earth to come, but in no way allows for an imposition of such views on others where there is no clear Scriptural basis. By the same token, the relatively harmless views of others should be respected, regardless of any perceived naivety on the part of those who feel their more educated perceptions deserve higher credence.

A couple of Scriptural principles that moderate my grip on personal views that can only be termed as benign speculation regarding  the exact detail and logistics of many aspects of life in the coming paradise earth are contained in these texts:

"For the Kingdom of God does not mean eating and drinking, but means righteousness and peace and joy with holy spirit." Rom.14:17

"But just as it is written: “Eye has not seen and ear has not heard, nor have there been conceived in the heart of man the things that God has prepared for those who love him.” 1Cor.2:9

 

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@Eoin Joyce     Nice discussion. Had those two texts in mind when I was writing but decided to leave them out.  It is just a discussion.  We all have preferred viewpoints and the scriptures support some of them, but we will all learn in the future.

Love this part of your comment:

"This allows for a wide variety in the personal visions individuals may cherish on what conditions will prevail in the paradise earth to come, but in no way allows for an imposition of such views on others where there is no clear Scriptural basis. By the same token, the relatively harmless views of others should be respected, regardless of any perceived naivety on the part of those who feel their more educated perceptions deserve higher credence. "

I did not commit to everything the author said  but I do believe that animals as well as man can exist happily without having to kill and eat meat. Jehovah has limitless wisdom and there are other ways to keep down animal and insect population besides predation. 

Lots of things the Bible says are perceived as naïve, even the fact that the system will have an end.

However, Jehovah's way will prevail when the time comes.

 

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1 hour ago, Melinda Mills said:

Lots of things the Bible says are perceived as naïve, even the fact that the system will have an end.

Quite true. What I had in mind was more regarding speculation based on scripture rather than it's direct statements.

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23 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

Paradise Earth will be covered

seems there was no problem in the Ark.. 
and if the animals make many eggs in the future, 
who knows, perhaps the Creator can change that ! ( they will make less eggs)
thanks !

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At the convention today there was mention of certain behavioral characteristics that animals have which help them survive. Some of these are instincts which protect them from predators. These behaviours are atributed to Jehovah's creative wisdom. However, this is obviously at odds with the idea that animals were created not to eat each other. How does one reconcile these two opposing ideas?

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14 minutes ago, Anna said:

At the convention today there was mention of certain behavioral characteristics that animals have which help them survive. Some of these are instincts which protect them from predators. These behaviours are atributed to Jehovah's creative wisdom. However, this is obviously at odds with the idea that animals were created not to eat each other. How does one reconcile these two opposing ideas?

 

VERY SIMPLE SOLUTION:

Use plain old common sense, and ALSO look at the differences between a cow's teeth ( and every other king of animal that eats vegetation ...) and a lion's teeth, or a crocodiles' teeth ( and EVERY other animal that eats meat ...), and notice the difference in DESIGN.

When I see large Tiger type incisors on a horse, (... like a tiger has ...  for those in Rio Linda ...) the only thing I can be sure of is that he or she has a Visa card, and has been shopping at a Halloween supply novelty store for vampire teeth. ( That was satire ... for those in Rio Linda...).

Good intellectual detectives detect much.

Bad intellectual detectives detect little.

About half the world's population don't intellectually detect at all.

That is what DEFINES average people.

These people are usually made into slaves, because they are unaware and have no powers of observation.

.They will believe ANYTHING!, no matter how irrational, if it's stuffed inside a  cuddly, huggable Teddy Bear.

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I wouldn't be shocked if all this animal stuff is blown out of the water someday, (probably in the new system, when reality confronts us all) with all that remains being animals retain their instinctive shyness to man. You'll be able to pal around with them, but only if you work at it.

All the hay that JTR is setting aside for them he will have to eat himself.

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20 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

I wouldn't be shocked if all this animal stuff is blown out of the water someday, (probably in the new system, when reality confronts us all) with all that remains being animals retain their instinctive shyness to man. You'll be able to pal around with them, but only if you work at it.

 

To work with a horse, a great deal of training is required.  Some of them might be trainable, but not necessarily as pets. But there has to be room for "a little boy will lead (train?) them" but they will be free to be themselves; absolutely no circuses.

I still think they will eat vegetation though. Nothing is impossible for God. There is a reason God is not telling us everything.

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19 hours ago, ARchiv@L said:

seems there was no problem in the Ark.. 
and if the animals make many eggs in the future, 
who knows, perhaps the Creator can change that ! ( they will make less eggs)
thanks !

A very good point here.  God placed selected numbers in the Ark of every kind of animal living on dry ground. Clean animals in sevens, unclean animals in twos.   If he expected them to eat one another he would not have put such low numbers and Noah would not have had to gather food for them for roughly a year. No problems with the animals were reported.

Another good point here. God can control fertility.  Already we have animals which are not very fertile, e.g. the panda. (The animals will not have everlasting life nor will pets be resurrected.) However, God has everything at his disposal to bring about his purpose. 

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8 hours ago, Anna said:

At the convention today there was mention of certain behavioral characteristics that animals have which help them survive. Some of these are instincts which protect them from predators. These behaviours are atributed to Jehovah's creative wisdom. However, this is obviously at odds with the idea that animals were created not to eat each other. How does one reconcile these two opposing ideas?

That the interpretation that all animals were created as herbivorous is no longer held. 

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There were no problems in the ark because they were separated in cages. Also, one Watchtower said:

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*** w13 8/1 p. 14 He Was Kept “Safe With Seven Others” ***
Some have raised the possibility that God kept the animals in a state of relative torpor, akin to hibernation, thus reducing their need for food. 

Also, any hypothetical carnivores on board did not require their same degree of energy in the ark that they needed on land. So any fodder given to them must have been satisfying before falling into a state of relative torpor.

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Well, all the animals cannot be eaten at the same time, so instincts will help them to     survive - finally to be eaten on another occasion if death doesn't precede.

Humans were meant to live in peace also. But we also still need instinctive wisdom in order to walk the streets and return safely from the human jungle cities and neighborhoods.

What is the scriptural authority for contradicting Genesis 1: 29,30?  Jesus was a Master Worker with God and he saw and knew everything but he said "It is written".

"That the interpretation that all animals were created as herbivorous is no longer held." BY whom? 

 

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1 hour ago, Melinda Mills said:

I still think they will eat vegetation though. Nothing is impossible for God. There is a reason God is not telling us everything.

You could easily be right. I sometimes think it is possible that 'eating straw' will go the way of the heart, once thought literal, later conceded as figurative. I will hunt you up in the new system to shake your hand if it turns out you are right. (and I will ride my giraffe to find you)

For that is the ultimate answer to many a question: 'Be there, and you will find out.'

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12 minutes ago, Melinda Mills said:

What is the scriptural authority for contradicting Genesis 1: 29,30?  Jesus was a Master Worker with God and he saw and knew everything but he said "It is written".

"That the interpretation that all animals were created as herbivorous is no longer held." BY whom? 

Gen 1:29 specifies vegetation for humans. Gen 1:30 is not stated as directly for animals who also ate carrion when Gen 1:30 was declared. Thus, it is not declaring that all animals were created as herbivorous. Stating otherwise, that it does, is a misinterpretation.

"BY whom?" The Governing Body. They used to teach that all animals were created as herbivorous. Apparently, not any more. Hurray!!! That's progress.

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3 minutes ago, Jim Seward said:

Gen 1:29 specifies vegetation for humans. Gen 1:30 is not stated as directly for animals who also ate carrion when Gen 1:30 was declared. Thus, it is not declaring that all animals were created as herbivorous. Stating otherwise, that it does, is a misinterpretation.

"BY whom?" The Governing Body. They used to teach that all animals were created as herbivorous. Apparently, not any more. Hurray!!! That's progress.

I just saw a fox wolfing down a Big Mac yesterday. Or was that a wolf foxing down one? :)

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2 hours ago, Melinda Mills said:

To work with a horse, a great deal of training is required.  Some of them might be trainable, but not necessarily as pets. But there has to be room for "a little boy will lead (train?) them" but they will be free to be themselves; absolutely no circuses.

I still think they will eat vegetation though. Nothing is impossible for God. There is a reason God is not telling us everything.

Can God make a rock so big EVEN HE cannot lift it?

 

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I guarantee you one thing ... when Polar Bears become vegetarians ... people are going to get VERY tired of hauling 23 million tons of straw to the wastelands of the Arctic, day after day after day after day ....... after day after day.

Or as Marie Antoinette was reported to have said just before she lost her head " No straw? ... Let them eat ICE!"

... but I may have gotten that mixed up.

(... and I betcha the Polar Bears will equally get tired of all that straw!)

 

 

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12 hours ago, Jim Seward said:

That the interpretation that all animals were created as herbivorous is no longer held. 

In that case, what with scriptures such as Isaiah 11:6, 7?

Does that mean the wolf will reside with the lamb in peace, until the wolf gets hungry and gobbles up the lamb? Peacefully though of course?

21 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

Rio Linda

Is that your congregation?

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3 minutes ago, Jim Seward said:

Faunal carnivory and predation were created by Jehovah from the start and in no way contradict Isaiah.

Don't get me wrong, I am not one of those who insist carnivores will only vegetation, as that is clearly physically impossible for some of them. However, my problem is, how would there be peace among animals if some were going to be eaten? And why would a big cat, for example, need claws, if all it was to do is eat carrion? Everything about a big cat spells predatory hunter. Chase and kill, not eat something that has already died...

Perhaps the best solution is as True Tom says "Be there, and you'll find out".

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9 hours ago, Anna said:

how would there be peace among animals if some were going to be eaten?

Hi Anna,
I appreciate this question. Predation actually contributes to ecosystem stability, playing a critical role. Viewed this way, predation then contributes to the overall "peace among animals."

See for instance this article by Dr. Fazale Rana, an old-earth creationist biochemist:
Animal Death Prevents Ecological Meltdown

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1 hour ago, Jim Seward said:

Viewed this way, predation then contributes to the overall "peace among animals."

I think it was Russell who said that 99% of animals either die by violence or starvation. Of course, I think it was Bertrand Russell, not Charles Taze.

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I am inviting all those who are using straw and vegetation interchangeably to please look up the meaning.

All animals can't eat straw but they do eat selected vegetation even if it is a moss in the sea.  Right now humans are using vegetation but they also use meat from animals, birds and fish. In the beginning man was eating from fruit-bearing trees only (selected vegetation). I am just saying that it is possible that it can revert to that.

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7 hours ago, Jim Seward said:

Hi Anna,
I appreciate this question. Predation actually contributes to ecosystem stability, playing a critical role. Viewed this way, predation then contributes to the overall "peace among animals."

See for instance this article by Dr. Fazale Rana, an old-earth creationist biochemist:
Animal Death Prevents Ecological Meltdown

    Hello guest!

Interesting article. Thanks.

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From Seaworld Parks and Entertainment:

"Food Preferences And Resources ( of Walruses)

  1. Walruses prefer molluscs - mainly bivalves such as clams. They also eat many other kinds of benthic invertebrates including worms, gastropods, cephalopods, crustaceans, sea cucumbers, and other soft-bodied animals. Walruses may occasionally prey on fishes such as polar cod.
  2. Walruses may eat the carcasses of young seals when food is scarce.
  3. There are some rare but habitual seal-eating walruses. Their diet consists mainly of ringed and bearded seals. These are usually male walruses, recognizable because they are usually larger than other males, with powerful shoulder and chest muscles. Their skin may become grease-stained from the blubber of the seals they prey on.

 

The Elephants teeth look like that so they can FIGHT meat eating  predators on an equal basis, and the fact that they cannot floss without two trunks.

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On 6/18/2017 at 9:06 AM, Melinda Mills said:

A very good point here.  God placed selected numbers in the Ark of every kind of animal living on dry ground. Clean animals in sevens, unclean animals in twos.   If he expected them to eat one another he would not have put such low numbers and Noah would not have had to gather food for them for roughly a year. No problems with the animals were reported.

Another good point here. God can control fertility.  Already we have animals which are not very fertile, e.g. the panda. (The animals will not have everlasting life nor will pets be resurrected.) However, God has everything at his disposal to bring about his purpose. 

What God can do with fertility, and what he DOES do are two different things ... Even Muppets like Kermit the Frog, and Miss Piggy, who spend a LOT of time in theatrical trunks between movies, in CLOSE contact.. with all kinds of OTHER Muppets, they NEVER get pregnant.

If they did, perhaps their offspring would be Piogs, or Figs, and that of COURSE would be the doings of Jehovah God... any other answer would be ABSURD!

..and then, those of us who LIKE Muppets even more than people, could enjoy their antics, drama, and companionship without stingy,  evil Movie Producers putting the kabosh on their never ending efforts to make Millions of People happy!

YAAAAAaaAAaAAAY!

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On 24/6/2017 at 10:36 AM, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

I am sure we will learn MANY new things

humans AND animals living in peace together, 
(Genesis 1:26)
“. . .have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens 
and the domestic animals and all the earth and every moving animal that is moving upon the earth. . .”

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